Again. if he could make some statement at the right time that he supports a fair, honest law enforcement system and that these investigations go whetrevr they have to go, they re going to be run by honest people, that would clean the air really well and i think it would make it possible for me to come and make t po it possible for me to talk to the president and see what i can do about making sure that whatever misunderstandings are put aside and maybe even i kind of think this could be a good thing for having a much better relationship where we really understand each other. reporter: the ukrainians i ve spoken to certainly did understand what was going on. they didn t appreciate being sucked in this way into american domestic politics. they didn t, by the way, announce those investigations or
and wendy sherman, what s your reaction to what we re reading about the ukraine side of all this? here they have american officials, gordon sondland, these officials trying to give them exact wordsing of what they want the president of ukraine to say, and there s a lot of resistance. they are resisting. they recognize in ukraine what s wrong with this. and they delay and delay as much as they can and they schedule that fareed zakaria interview for a couple of weeks down the road. and they re just constantly trying not to do this thing that donald trump is trying to force them to do. indeed, that s sort of the good news, lawrence. president zelensky and the people around him knew this was wrong. they didn t want to get in the middle of american domestic politics. they didn t want to do this deal with donald trump brought to them by rudy giuliani and by gordon sondland. they knew that it was wrong, and
Your reaction to what we re reading about the ukraine side of all this? here they have american officials, gordon sondland, these people trying to give them exact wording of what they want the president of ukraine to say, and there s a lot of resistance. they are resisting. they recognize in ukraine what s wrong with this. and they delay and delay as much as they can and they schedule that fareed zakaria interview for a couple of weeks down the road. and they re just constantly trying not to do this thing that donald trump is trying to force them to do. indeed. that s sort of the good news, lawrence. president zelensky and the people around him knew this was wrong. they didn t want to get in the middle of american domestic politics. they didn t want to do this deal with donald trump brought to them by rudy giuliani and by gordon sondland. they knew that it was wrong, and yet the safety, security of
Quote, at the bottom of that same this is the question. at the bottom of that same page, president trump says, well, she s going to go through some things. what did you understand that to mean? yovanovitch replies i didn t know what it meant. i was very concerned. i still am. the questioner continues. did you feel threatened? yovanovitch: yes. the transcripts also reveal the depth of yovanovitch and her ukrainian counterparts misgivings about ukraine becoming embroiled in american domestic politics with one of her contacts there saying, quote, getting into u.s. politics would be a dangerous place for ukraine to be. that is where we start today with some of our favorite reporters and friends. from the washington post, white house bureau chief phil rucker. plus former chief of staff to vice presidents joe biden and al gore. former republican congressman david jolly. chief public affairs officer from move on.org, karine
And kind of internal politics of ukraine straight. when you re there, it is just so clear that what guiliani was doing was basically smearing some of the most devoted anticorruption figures in ukraine because of a very corrupt prosecutor who has a grudge against them. i m curious. how does this story look to folks in ukraine? what are you hearing from people? how is it playing over there? first of all, they re quite frightened about being dragged into the middle of american domestic politics and really rely on american support. several people told me they felt they were being, were afraid of being, quote, left alone with russia. they re currently locked in this proxy war with russia. and so to have the american president basically turn on them is extremely destablizing. there is also, this is a country that has dealt with such a history of corruption. you know, five years ago they had a revolution. their very corrupt russian aligned oligarch fled the country to russia.