the ukraine issue, or as you may have heard elizabeth holtzman saying there s many different avenues. i think there are many different avenues to pursue, th ukraine. i think many americans don t know where ukraine is, don t know what it stands for. if you look at the base of the republican party supportive of this president, there is an enormous anti-immigrant sentiment, enormous anti foreigner sentiment. i think the base of donald trump s republican party will then say to themselves, if this is our man, if this is the guy who promised us this an anti-immigrant sentiment, anti foreigner sentiment, why would he go to foreigners to cheat the country? i think they focus on ukraine. you re echoing rick who wants things to stay streamlined, clear, straightforward, that s the best way to get the message across. alaina, is the house more focused on convincing voters
in july. what s your thought on the timing? smart politics. nobody wants to be running in a trump district running against impeaching the president that everybody likes. let me tell you what s at stake, if they do impeach the president and the senate doesn t vote to convict, imagine what kind of a presidency you re going to have? this wasn t bill clinton who was contrite after he was impeached after he was conducted. this is donald trump. imagine what kind of department of justice you ll have in an impeached but not convicted administration. the democrats really need to get this right. i m sorry to say it s on them to do it, on them to convince the american people as alaina was saying. that s the whole ball. if you convince the american people, it will go through. remember, again, it s never happened in american history. no president has ever been removed from office. last word to you, michelle. i think you were shaking your head no with regard to the timeline. it really frighten
down to politics and when the best timing is. i think the reason we can t let this play out at the ballot box and can t time it based on the politics of the situation is because our democracy is in grave danger. the american public is very smart and the american public will understand if the story is told and the story is told in a simple way. and fighting for our democracy, fighting for our constitution and fighting for our role in the world as the leader of democratic nations and explaining to countries all over the world that we give aid to the universal principles of human rights and what is it is to be a republican, what it is to be a democracy. there s no room to play politics. i think july of 2020 is too late. great conversation alaina beverly, michelle bernard, rick tyler, thank you so much. thank you. outcry of the whistle-blower case echoes today on the 2020 campaign trail. that s ahead. il that s ahead
being chief of staff would be the pin pinnacle of one s can rear, he would rather focus his attention wreelsewhere and go b home to georgia. let me bring in alaina beverly with me here onset. evan, a republican strategist. bet he get your reactions to the news. the fact that the president and nick ayers couldn t come to an agreement as jeff was saying, i ll pick up on that last point, he d think that somebody, a young political operative, very d.c. savvy, will become a chief of staff at a young age. still not appealing enough for him to kind of work for the president, so to speak. lrk hewell, he s been in the house in the executive branch for two years and that burns out anybody, but in the trump white house especially, it gets much more difficult because this is a president who undercuts his own
staff left and right. you can impose as much discipline as you want among the staff, but the president has not been controllable. even the announcement of john kelly s departure which was supposed to be john kelly announcing it on monday was undercut it yesterday before heading to the army/navy game. we re left with people who get to be white house chief of staff. but i don t think that lighthizer or mnuchin are capable of handling this job. you have congress who is going to be gunning for the white house with tons of investigations when democrats take power on january 3rd. at the same time, i don t even think trump ultimately will end up having a white house chief of staff. he could leave it vacant and say i know how best to manage this and return to that complete swing from the hip and do no real planning. so alaina, the point that evan was making, a very important point, yoouu ve got a