saying give me an announcement for def con that sounds professional. i have to convince my boss to send me to def colony wanted to make us sound more corporate one of my friends said, you should just throw a real conference, charge real money, and make it a professional conference. i thought that was brilliant but i didn t have the money at the time. too young. i saved my money for a year, took a loan out and then started black hat a year later and then every year, unbelievably, it s grown for 20 years. host: what s the difference between black hat and def con? guest: black hat is the that s how i made my living. it was very corporate, information security focused, so this is you have an info sector job, working for general electric, microsoft, and you need to learn something that you can ail reply hands on, right away. where the rubber meets the road. i learned this new attack and i m going to defend my company. it s very practical but very focused more on enterprise.
now joining us on the communicators, jeff moss. how and why did black hat begin? jeff: it began more than 20 years ago. i operate a convention, def con, the world s largest hacking convention. this was a time when there were no jobs for any of us. the only people doing security were maybe people in the military and banks. as the internet grew and there were jobs, and there is money at risk, all of a sudden hackers started getting jobs doing security. i kept getting emails, give me an announcement to def con to make it sound professional. i was rewriting our announcements to make them sound corporate. one of my friends said you know what, throw a real conference. charge real money. make it professional. i thought it was brilliant. i was too young. i save my money for a year. then i started black cat a year later. every year it has grown for 20 years. host: what is the difference between black hat and devcon? def con. jeff: you happen info sec job. you are working for gener
[ indistinct talking ] [ speaking cantonese ] [ speaking cantonese ] how did you do that? a magician never reveals his secrets. then i ll have to pierce your shell and gaze within? you understood. chan ho yin. raina. i would love to see that fire trick again. i don t think that s a good idea. of course not. it s a great idea. [ keys jingling ] i am sorry for the clutter. i m in between places. [ door closes ] how long have you been here? [ bottles clinking ] you seem to have an appreciation for the greats. i idolized him for many years. and now? there s no real magic there, just tricks. and what you do those aren t tricks? show me. i m sorry. [ chuckles ] houldn t. says who? what are you afraid of? it s not me who s afraid. [ gasps ] that can t be real. see for yourself. [ gasps ] how long have you been able to. first time was a few years ago. st burned down my entire apartment. [ breathes sharply ] and it doesn t hurt? not even a little. you have a gift. i ve never seen a
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