analyst lisa rubin and pro investigative reporter and april. he is the author of a death on w street, the murder of suffrage in the age of conspiracy. good to see you both, lisa i feel like to you with donald trump s very bad legal week. just about every weekend but i wonder when you look at sort of this bouquet of things, what stands out to you most and your sense of how the mar-a-lago case proceeds when you have the special master out of the picture? there are two things that stand out to me. they stand out, juxtaposed, against one another. that is the 11th circuit decision you are just referring to, allowing the special master, if not blocked by the supreme court, and i don t believe it will be, that it will allow the special master to have access to all of the documents seized by mar-a-lago. that, in combination with the fact that we now know the department of justice, and the special counsel took a grand jury testimony from, at least, five significant white house
is that he probably received more money back from the government in terms of refunds than he paid in. joining me, now msnbc legal analyst lisa rubin and pro investigative reporter and april. he is the author of a death on w street, the murder of suffrage in the age of conspiracy. good to see you both, lisa i feel like to you with donald trump s very bad legal week. just about every weekend but i wonder when you look at sort of this bouquet of things, what stands out to you most and your sense of how the mar-a-lago case proceeds when you have the special master out of the picture? there are two things that stand out to me. they stand out, juxtaposed, against one another. that is the 11th circuit decision you are just referring to, allowing the special master, if not blocked by the supreme court, and i don t believe it will be, that it will allow the special master to have access to all of the documents seized by mar-a-lago. that, in
and maybe more. it s just not true and with the tax returns will ultimately show is that probably receive more money back from the government in terms of funds than he paid in to me now msnbc lisa legal analyst and author of death of conspiracy and it s good to see you. back to you with all week every week and what i wonder when you look at this bouquet of things what stands out to you most and your sense of how the mar-a-lago case proceeds. special master out of the picture? there are two, things alicia, that stand out. they stand out juxtaposed against one another. that is the 11th circuit decision that you are just referring to that will allow the special master and that will allow the special master to access to all the
does this mean to you? doesn t mean anything? well, i think the 11th circuit decision was very important. i think it s very likely that that will stand and he will get those classified those non-classified documents. while, back at the 11th circuit rule just regard to the smaller subset of the classified documents at the justice department could get them. now this is everything. no special master necessary, the justice department gets a look at all these. and i think it s a really important step to being able to move forward because you need to look at the documents to determine whether any of these defenses donald trump has put up have any validity whatsoever which documents you might want to use for any criminal case. so someone will have to review all those 13,000 documents. but now they can get to it, they can get on that when it was important step in advancing this case. so i think it s a really important victory for moving the case for it. so they can get on those documents
i imagine he will first to the full 11 circuit court of appeals and if they refused to take that upper change change the opinion, then to the supreme court. so i imagine that s coming even if we haven t seen it yet. if you re jack smith, what does this mean to you? doesn t mean anything? well, i think the 11th circuit decision was very important. i think it s very likely that that will stand and he will get those classified those non-classified documents. while, back at the 11th circuit rule just regard to the smaller subset of the classified documents at the justice department could get them. now this is everything. no special master necessary, the justice department gets a look at all these. and i think it s a really important step to being able to move forward because you need to look at the documents to determine whether any of these defenses donald trump has put up have any validity whatsoever which documents you might want to use for any criminal case. so someone will hav