And the fact is, she has been the most visible chief of staff in modern history. She has done more radio, television appearances, and interviews in six months than any chief of staff ive known in 40 years in a fouryear in a fouryear situation in one term. Shes very serious about it. She went to a meeting of democrats in new york where you know, Democratic Senatorial Campaign committee. She has been beseeched by democrats who obviously most Party Leaders in this state or ill say many dont want joe sestak. They have been searching for a candidate. They went through a variety of people, including Montgomery County commissioner josh shapiro. They are trying to find a candidate, and its obvious you dont resign a position if youre just thinking about it. The announcement will be is imminent. There are two ways to look at this. Lets start with the money. She, first of all, faces sestak. Hes got almost 2 million on hand. And then she would face pat toomey, whos sitting at over 8 million. Hes got ads up all the time. Doug, youve run for office. You know the money race. What does this mean for her, in a matter of months, to try to get in there and turn this thing around . Well, i think, number one, to answer the question of if its smart or not, is if she wants to do it. If she wants to do it, she believes she has ideas, she believes she can do a better job, then she should do it. I agree. I dont think she stepped down because she likes to be unemployed. I think she stepped down for a reason, and we can expect that coming soon. I think she also knows that she has to play two perfect hands. Obviously, the general election will be a different ballgame but in the primary, shes running against a guy who, while has his own quirks. Yeah. Hes seasoned. And hes got the ability to raise money, and itll be a tough hand for her. But if she wants to do it, i think she should do it. And that by itself makes it smart. Guys, lets talk about this. This state has a notsogreat history when it comes to women running and winning statewide office. Its almost like a curse. Is she the one who can break it . I think shes going to first of all, no one can blame Katie Mcginty for jumping in here. If the window opens up, you can run for a United States senate seat, youve got to do it. I think shes gonna have some success in raising money. As terry was saying earlier, the democrats have to win this seat if theyre gonna get a majority in the u. S. Senate, so the money is gonna come in from the Democratic Senate campaign committee. And emilys list has already indicated that theyre gonna be strongly supportive of this woman candidate. And so, shes in the right place at the right time. I dont know that she can raise pat toomey money, but i think she can raise joe sestak money absolutely. So, shes gonna be competitive in the primary. The problem is, shes gonna probably have to spend a lot of that money in the primary to win. Shes gonna go into the general against senator toomey really underfunded. So, you know, im not overly optimistic about her chances of winning. But its a race that she should make, its a race that shes gonna make, and its a race in which shes gonna be competitive. You know, ed, one thing that could be interesting is and its looking like its gonna happen at this particular moment, hillary at the top of the ticket. Does that make a difference for her . Oh, it could make a difference. But im not sure you can predict at this point whether its gonna be a good one or a bad one. Because Hillary Clinton is experiencing her own difficulties right now. And there are great theres a great deal of concern on the democratic side of the aisle because they dont like what they see in her rollout, how shes managing herself. I want to pick up something that jan said, though. This is the bill clinton lesson. Bill clinton, when he ran against george h. W. Bush, the father had a 92 Approval Rating coming out of the gulf war, and democrats were saying, no thank you. And bill clinton said, ill do it. Turned out to be a very good move on his part. So, no guts, no glory. Thats the first point. The second thing itll be very interesting to see how joe sestak goes after her. Ah. This will be some very interesting Opposition Research that the toomey people will be waiting for because she, as terry said, was not only a very visible chief of staff, she has said some things that didnt quite turn out to be accurate shes angered republicans in ways that normally staff people who work for a governor would not do. Shes been very critical of republicans. But the gender thing is gonna be a huge issue. I think we had Kathleen Kane win. She lead the ticket. Won by 13 percentage points. Got more votes in this state than barack obama and bob casey, both of whom carried the state won reelection. Genders gonna be a big issue. But i agree. This could go either way. A lot of women voters down here in the southeastern part of the state and up in the lehigh valley, gender and hillarys already using gender as part of the campaign. By the way, heres a question. Does the lack of a budget were gonna get to that in a moment. But does that touch her in some way . Well, you know, theyre saying that its an interesting process, number one, with people at the top, with Governor Wolf and others. And theyre making noise like they will have something shortly. Well see. We will get to that in a minute. Last question on mcginty. John baer, in a great column in the inquirer pointed out something thats got to be at the back of her mind. She ran for governor, got 7 . If she runs and she loses, especially if she loses badly, does that attach the sticker loser to her . You got to be careful about this shot. Is that something she should be thinking about . Not at all. Not at all. Shes got a shot at a United States senate seat. Its a real shot, you know. There are things that are lining up in her favor. Again, shes not anything close to a sure thing. Toomey has to be favored to hold the seat. But she has to take this shot. You know, as ed was saying, you know, if you pass on the shot, youre not a player. I think tams asking a different question. Its. Its if she doesnt win, has she closed the door . Are you tagged . I dont believe so at all. It is not the critic who counts. I believe that, if she runs and she loses, then she just lost. Now, sestak ran and lost. So if he loses again, is he a loser . [ laughter ] its the same question. But people are all running from him. All right, katie, the insiders seem to be saying dont bar the door. All right, lets take a look at whats going on with the state party. Jim burns saying hes going to step down, but there was a lot of conversation. Wolf wanted him to step aside and install mcginty as the head of the state party. He said no. He created a pac and put mcginty at the head of that. So now it looks like hes won this battle. Is this just inside baseball it doesnt matter . Or does it makes a difference . Very few people care, really, about who the chairman of either party is. And i dont want to demean the job. Its an important position. Campaigns are now run by operatives who work for candidates. The pollings done that way. The fundraisings done that way. The party chair is important. You still have an organizational structure. But this isnt 30 or 40 years ago. Its a totally new environment. Heres the takeaway, in my humble judgment. Governors get to pick the state chairs. And to quote, this was coming. If anything, this is belated recognition of the unspoken rule that the governor is the leader of his state party. Thats always the case, and the state party is powerless without the support of the governor of that party. Lets talk a little bit about the governor, after him saying nogo on the republicans budget. This week, theyve had some closeddoor meetings, a fourhour meeting in harrisburg. And both sides came out making noises like we made a little bit of progress. How far off are we from actually very, very far. Were looking at midseptember. Heres the difference in past. 2009 27,000 state employees are out of work. There were, you know, rent rebate checks. Where are they . Drivers license well, i got to get my drivers license renewed. Where are the people that do it . The fact of the matter is theres no consequence right now. A Supreme Court decision in 2009 made it clear that workers have to be paid. So the states functioning. Yeah, nonprofits will start to lose money. County, Human Services will be hurt. If you have a contract with the state, at some point, youre not going to get paid. But the fact of the matter is, without any consequence, given the polls, given the ideological divisions, this is going to go on midseptember at the earliest. And whats worse is that, when we talk about there not being any consequences, no consequence for the elected officials. Theres real consequences for the people who dont get funding for their schools or for the social safety net that deteriorates because theres not full funding. At some point. And even Small Businesses that have cashflow issues and theyre contractors for the state, there are real consequences for them that our elected officials dont necessarily feel. Another question about consequences. The governor said Something Interesting in a radio interview where he said he thought he was being tested by the republicans. Like, he thinks this is a you know, i thought, does he think this is a game of chicken, and youre not getting me off the road. I dont care . Is there an element of that . Katie mcgintys departure as chief of staff cannot make this situation worse because the situation kind of is bad as it can get. Ironically, everyone can see the compromise thats gonna have to be reached. I mean, everyone can see theres gonna have to be a severance tax, cause thats what the governor ran on. So he cant make a deal without a severance tax. And everyone can see that theres got to be pension reform because thats the republicans numberone thing, and it would be good for the state and good for the states future to have pension reform. Once youve got those two pieces in place, then the rest of it is all details. But the challenge is that the governor has put himself so far out with this entire menu of taxation that he has. And its very transformational. Its very revolutionary. He cant cave quickly. So i think terrys right. I think this is a dance that will go a long time. Speaking of dances and backs and forths, jan, im gonna start with you on this one. Bill cosby back in the news this week as 1,000 pages from a deposition came out. And it was not looking good for cosby, some of the things he had to say. His lawyers came back fighting back. First of all, saying that the paperwork should not have come out, that they want to sanction the woman in question and her lawyer. And then doing something we hadnt seen before arguing that what he said wasnt that bad. All he admitted to, in their opinion, was using drugs that everybody used, that he didnt say he raped anybody or gave them the drugs without their knowledge. First up, whats the legal implication here . Are they just making noise, or are they really trying to make some headway here . Well, i think there are legal issues. Grand jury sequestered grand jury information should not be leaked out. But as terry was saying earlier, it leaks out all the time, and we can all point to 50 different examples of grand jury information being leaked out. Theres a lot of great stuff going on at temple, but this ongoing involvement in the cosby case is not one of them. Its a real dilemma for temple. The chairman of the board, patrick oconnor, probably in retrospect regrets having represented cosby back in 2005 when there was litigation between cosby and a former temple employee. It seems, in retrospect, that there was a conflict of interest now. But now its too late. You know, hes involved in the case. Hes representing cosby in all these contentious issues that youve referred to. And either temple is gonna lose a great Board Chairman whos made enormous contributions to temple and is a great leader were either gonna lose him, or were gonna have this ongoing, roiling dispute with no end about the cosby case and all these leaked disclosures. cause this looks like its going to go on for quite a while. Its a nowin situation for temple. Now, lets talk about some of the things that the lawyers said, that case that theyre trying to make. Disco biscuits is what they call quaaludes. And theyre trying to make the argument everybody was doing it back in the 70s. A, is that a good argument and b, why now . Why didnt they make that argument six, seven months ago when this stuff really first started to pop . I dont think its a good argument, but i do think it is a legitimate one. I do think that the fact you know, i could never get away telling my mom, well, everybody else did it. But you shouldnt have. And so, i do think that the context is important. And for me, the seminal issue is was it consensual or not. Because lots of people smoke weed. Lots of people drink. Lots of people use ecstasy and other drugs, and the law would say thats illegal. You cant do those things. But everyones doing it and as long as two adults have consented to it and they both agree to it, thats one outcome. You may not like the outcome. You may regret the decision. But at least it was consensual. In this case, i think thats a legitimate discussion to have. I do want to say, though, for the board, though, this conflict of interest thats there is a real one, and the only way to eliminate the conflict is to remove one of them. So either you cant represent the client or you have to step down from the board. Ill close with this. This sort of issue of conflict is all over the place. Its not just with temple university. Its on boards everywhere. And i think were starting to cherrypick because we know the seedy details of what the conflict is. Heres the point on board representation. Were all on boards, right . Mmhmm. Youre there for a reason. You bring a certain skill set. You bring certain resources to the benefit of the organization. Oconnor did tell the rest of the board that he was doing this. The rest of the board soberly looked at this and said, weve got a whole host of bad choices ahead of us. Whats the least bad choice that we could make . Its for pat oconnor to do this. I think he acquitted himself admirably, and this question of disclosing something thats supposed to be a sealed agreement is a serious one. People should pay a price when they do that because, if you can get away with this, then the law means nothing, then, in every circumstance. I imagine we will be coming back to this topic multiple times over the coming months. We will take a short break and come back to inside story. Inside story is presented by temple university. Temple fuels students with academics and opportunities to take charge. Plugged into the city, powered by the world. Temple. Edu takecharge. Welcome back to inside story. Im tamala edwards. You know, the situation at waldron mercy, where they let go of an administrator because she was married to another woman, continues to roil. Weve heard from the archbishop, weve heard from the school, and now weve heard from sister Mary Scullion, whos very well respected in this town, a nun herself. And shes written an oped in the inquirer and it contains this line. Church at its best is at its best when it listens to the spirit speaking in our time. And she says it is speaking through the parents and students who say this was the wrong thing to do. Its speaking through the pope who has been a little bit more openminded and embracing. And it turns up the burn, it seems, for the school, in terms of not being able to put it behind it, this issue. What does this add . Where does this go for waldron mercy in terms of sticking with this decision or going back on it . I think its an unfortunate issue to arise on the eve of the popes visit. If the pope holds press conferences in philadelphia, hes certainly gonna be asked about it and be put on the spot on an issue that he may not be ready to deal with. Sister Mary Scullion is a member of the religious order that directs the the waldron mercy academy. So she is very familiar with whats going on there. Its not her alone. Its a number of catholic leaders who have signed on to this protest. And basically, theyre saying theres a conflict here between doctrine and listening to whats happening in society. And they would prefer that the church paid more attention to listening whats happening in society than being frozen in past doctrine. Will the issue here end up being Something Like this, or the fact that you have a lot of parents who say that they are not happy with what has gone on, theyre not satisfied with the answers, and theyre holding back on their tuition and other funds . You know, a number of people who may have a lot of money to give are saying, we dont know. I think that i certainly understand the desire of an organization to protect its mission, what it believes its mission is, and its vision. But that sometimes runs afoul of the way society moves, and i think this is an unfortunate situation here. Sister Mary Scullion is not alone. But neither is the teacher who was fired, and theres lots of people who understand it from both sides. There was another mission and vision that got it wrong, and that was called the constitution. It was wrong, and then it was eventually amended because it was recognized that something had to change. And if we can get a constitutional amendment through, i think we can figure something out over there at mercy. Yeah, this is just the beginning of whats going to be a series. Look, the Public Attitudes on gay marriage have changed markedly, as my poll and every other poll in the country has shown. And when you talk about 18 to 29yearolds, were talking about 80 80 in favor of gay marriage. This conflict between religion on the one hand and Secular Society ill put it that way is just beginning. Were gonna see this in so many areas of our life for the next 30 years. Lets keep in mind that marriage is one of the seven sacraments of the Roman Catholic church. It is a sacrament. Its not some casual social convention. Its not that the church is saying that civil government cannot have gay marriage if it wants to. Its says, if youre going to teach if you have the magisterium, the Teaching Authority of the church, and in your life its clear that you do not accept what the church teaches on marriage, you shouldnt be teaching about marriage. Now, you can do other things. And its not that the church is out to purge itself of people who may be gay and have civil arrangements. But when it comes to teaching about marriage, one of the seven sacraments, they do have a right. This isnt a minor issue for the church. And but shouldnt they have made these decision long before they hired her and elevated her to this position . Theres no doubt. This goes back to the very decision to hire. But it may not have been on the radar screen of the archbishop. Now that it is yeah, but see, thats the whole point about these institutions. I mean, you could make an argument that, in Secular Society, its recognized, its legal, everybody has to understand that. But where are the niches, if you will, where a religion, lets say, and their practices reign meaning that they stand . You have to, in a sense, recognize them out in the secular world, but not in basically what youre saying. Youre the lawyer. And i think lawyers will be busy on this for a while. The significance of this oped that sister Mary Scullion signed is a demonstration that there is a strong countervailing viewpoint within the church. And so, theres not unanimity within the church, even on this issue. I dont think were talking about the same thing, though. Well, we have to talk about Something Else real quickly. We can talk about this. Im sure well come back as they continue to work it out. L i got a little flak this week because they paid 15,000 for advertorials things that are advertisements, but theyre built to look like stories on philly. Com, trying to say, look, were turning it around. Things are for the better. The city not backing away, saying, hey, we want people to hear the good news. But for an agency, it does have a 31 million budget. Was it a worthwhile expenditure out of that budget for these ads . No. It was ridiculous. No, no. I dont think thats what we expect government to do. And thats not the role that government should play. And i wont get into the fact that the state has a 1. 4 you can pick the figure. We cant get it straight, they cant get it straight in harrisburg a 1. 2 billion structural deficit. Its not as though the schools couldnt use another 15,000 of taxpayer money. And Melissa Murray bailey, the republican candidate for mayor has said the leadership resigned, Carlton Williams whos head of l i. And jim kenney, the democratic candidate for mayor, has said he will not be the head of l i. I see it a little differently, though. But youll have to tell me during the break. We got to go to commercial. Well come back to our insiders inside stories. Inside story is presented by temple university. Temple fuels students with academics and opportunities to take charge. Plugged into the city, powered by the world. Temple. Edu takecharge. Welcome back. Terry, your inside story. Attorney general Kathleen Kane attorney general Kathleen Kane has said that she will not resign if prosecuted for the grand jury leaks. But the Supreme Court could suspend her license. I wonder then if she could still stay as attorney general. Interesting. Ed . Jim foster is a newspaper publisher from the germantown section of the city. He thinks hes gonna get into the mayoral race. It looks like hell be in. Hes gonna run as an independent. Hell be a long shot. Jim kenney, the democrat appears to be the oddson favorite. Theyre both Le Salle College graduates now Le Salle University as is your humble servant. [ laughs ] explorers are everywhere. All right. Doug . Indeed we are. I join you as well. Pennsylvania primarys 10 months away. Pennsylvanias largely seen as a clinton state. But Bernie Sanders is already reaching out to millennials with a Conference Call coming up on the 29th, where hes pitching himself and trying to build support for pennsylvania primary. I dont think folks are gonna let it go easy. All right, well see. Jan . Melissa murray bailey, the republican candidate for mayor is giving people reasons to vote for her. And she says she will repeal mayor nutters sanctuary cities policy of noncooperation with the federal immigration law. And congress is trying to cut funding to sanctuary cities like philadelphia. Jim kenney says hell double down on the policy and maintain it. A clear choice in the mayoral race in philadelphia. All right, thanks to all of you. Thanks to you for watching. Its been great to be your host. Im tamala edwards. This is inside story. Well see you next week. Im eva pilgrim along with Alicia Vitarelli. 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