Captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to face the nation im john dickerson. Labor day is behind us, football season started the second Republican Debate just three days away. So we have some brand new poll numbers this morning from our cbs news 2016 Battleground Tracker, well be tracking the candidates in the early primary states throughout the next few months. First the republican field in iowa. Donald trump is at the top with 29 of likely g. O. P. Voters. Ben carson is not far behind at 25 . Theres the rest of the pack all 14 of them. Ted cruz has 10 support remaining candidates trail behind in single digits. In New Hampshire, donald trump is way out in front with 40 of the vote. Ben carson follows with 12 Ohio Governor john kasich at 9 and Carly Fiorina is at 8 the rest of the field follows mind her. Down in South Carolina, donald trump is at the top of the field again with 36 support, web carson at 21 . The rest of the republican field follows way behind in single digits, the next closest candidate, ted cruz with just 6 . Well have numbers for the democratic race in a few minutes. But begin with the leader donald trump who joins us by phone. Mr. Trump your numbers are on the rise but so, too are ben carson, our poll shows that a lot of people who are looking at you, ben carson is their second choice. So what is the one thing that you have got that would make you a better president than ben carson . Well, im a deal maker. Ill make great deals for this country, ben cant do that bens ac hes not a deal maker. And ill make great deals for our country which is very important i see yesterday in iowa the place was going wild we had record crowds. And they want competence, they cant deal making they want to take back our jobs from china and japan and mexico and all of these countries that are just ripping us up. I have been a world class businessman, according to everybody that talks about me in terms of the world of business. I make deals. Ill bring back jobs. Ill also bring back wealth to our country and ill build up our military so that nobody is going to mess with us and ill take care of our vets and do things such as that. But ben is not a deal maker at all. And i dont think would be very good i dont think thats in his ability at all. When we last talked you mentioned Hedge Fund Managers were getting away with murder you mentioned that again yesterday. Who else is getting away do you think with murder think economy . Well, i just used that as the example because i know these guys theyre all supporting jeb bush and Hillary Clinton. Its funny when i hear them talking weve got to stop this and this they dont mean it because theyre totally controlled by hillary and jeb in particular totally controlled by the Hedge Fund Guys and the wall street guys. But hedge funds in particular. They pay very little tax thats going to end when i come out with my plan in about three weeks, could be sooner than that. We have an amazing tax plan, well reducing taxes for the middle class but for the Hedge Fund Guys theyre going to be paying up. Anybody else have to worry about their snacks. Think i just generally reduction. I want corporate reduction bring the money back into this country, we have two and a half trillion dollars john out of this country and the corporations rightfully dont bring it back because they have massive tax to pay we got to make it so they can bring it back. Ill be bringing it back, well have lot of money pouring into the United States if i get elected. Well make it possible for them by lowering their tax rate. Were going to be lowering it for corporations because we want jobs. We cant jobs coming back into this country where you have all of this money, this vast wealth sitting outside of the country because rightfully if you were running the company, if i was running the company, wouldnt bring it back in. We will bring back trillions of dollars into this country. I was thinking about you and ross perot recently another billionaire ceo candidate who didnt like to trade deals, that the country was engaged in. He used to talk about was ceo pay that it gotten too high now 350 times the average worker doing that bug you at all as you think about your tax plan and inequities in the economy . Well, it does bug me. Its very hard if you have Free Enterprise system to do anything about that. The boards of companies are supposed to do it but i know companies very well. And the ceo puts in all his friends so youll take a company like, i could say macys or many others where they put in their friends as head of the company and they get whatever they want. Because the friends love sitting on the board. So thats a system that we have and its ashame and disgraceful and sometimes the boards rule but i would say its probably less than 10 . You see these guys making these enormous amounts of money its a total and complete joke. Dickerson when you talk about the system and politicians what are running it poorly, have you thought about any kind of reform, agenda that would include the Campaign Finance system youve criticized that, but anything on that or on term limits or a balanced budget is there a reform agenda behind your candidacy . The biggest reformetent people in office. I mean thats to me the biggest reform we could make. If you put competent people in office, really competent people, we need the best. Look at places like china they have superstars at their positions, they arrive there at different methods. They arrive by being smart. We arrive therefore, i dont know, neighborhood believe some of the people that we have in office then even harder to believe some of the people they appoint to represent us on trade and other things. The biggest reform we can make is to put really competent super competent people in office. And frankly thats what im trying to do im doing this ive been politician for three months. Im average lot of fun. Very gratified when i hear your numbers thats really fantastic. Im surprised in New Hampshire because frankly ben carson is a very, very nice man. But we will this will not be a good situation because of the fact that hes not a dealer hes not a negotiator. And the president has to be we have to bring wealth back into our country. Were a country with 19 trillion in debt. We have 19 trillion. We have to get rid that have bring wealth back into our country. Ben cant do that. Dickerson let me ask you a question, youve been politics for three weeks lets go back to your experience in the business world. I want to ask you about the comment that was quoted in Rolling Stone that you mentioned about Carly Fiorina think about in business context. Rolling stone quoted you said look at that face, would anyone vote for that. Can you imagine the face of our next president. Shes a woman im not supposed to say bad thing but really folks, come on, are we serious . Ask you a business question not a Political Correctness politics question how would you expect the Human Resources department to handle that if an executive at your company was heard saying that about a woman employee . What would you first of all i was talking about per persona. She had tremendous bad luck, she been a bad job hewlettpackard was a disaster, the company she was at before hewlettpackard was a disaster. Two disaster, now shes running for president but of course she lost in landslide to barbara boxer. You know, to be honest with you the problem we have were so politically correct that we captain get out of our way. People make statements that all of a sudden the statements im only talking about her per zone. That she hasnt done a good job in, you could call it the private sector. The companies, take a look at the record look at the Yale Law School, top man at Yale Law School came out with a raging report. Shes one of the worst executives in his memory in history running the company. Well, you know what, maybe she is isnt. But can we really take a chance. In my case, i made over 10 billion net, net net ive created a tremendous company. I have some of the greatest assets in the world and to be honest with you thats the kind of mindset im not saying that to brag im saying thats the mindset that our country needs. Dickerson mr. Trump, unfortunately were out of time thanks for being with us. Thank you very much. Dickerson all right. Take a closer look at the republican numbers in our cbs Battleground Tracker joining us now is cbs News Elections director anthony salvanto. I want to go behind the horse race a little bit see what we can figure out about the country. What do Republican Voters want to see in a candidate . Exactly what you just heard in that interview. They are buying Donald Trumps record. We asked what is the most important thing youre looking for in a candidate. Number one answers business and private sector experience. Couple of things are striking about that first is, that the head of being a true conservative which tells you a little bit about maybe why some of trumps rivals messages arent finding the mark. Dickerson because their message has been hes not a true conservative. Theyre challenging his conservative credentials, well, thats not quite so important here. Dickerson and who is the trump voter then that you found in these numbers . Well, i think its actually more of a coalition rather than one particular kind of voter its interesting. About half of them are angry conservatives. What theyre angry bout that the party has actually in their mind actually compromised too much so they want more form of conservative. There is another hat. These people are a little bit new tore the process, lot of them tell us they havent voted in primaries before. For them that message of economic populism, really seems to resonate. They tell us they wouldnt mind say raising taxes on wall street raising taxes on those hedge funds. And for them that economic message is important its like what theyre hearing is, hes saying i know the system is rigged. I know you can distant from the process but i can take add vac and ill cut you in on the deal. Dickerson like what he had to say about the ceo pay. Thats really interesting the point about angry conservatives those are the ones that felt betrayed by the conservative lawmakers who have not been true to their word yet rewarding trump because of his business experience. Let me ask you question about immigration and those voters that coalition you talk about how important is that to that coalition . I think its really important. One of the things that cuts across donald trump is this very strong view that Illegal Immigrants should be deported. That is a view thats actually to the right of lot of other republicans, to the right of of course independence but one thing that also agree on maybe thats an issue that bridges the gap across republicans the way taxes used to be. The way did for democrats couple of years ago of course then very much like independent nationwide. Dickerson supporters are enthusiastic about donald trump they change the kind of way they think about attributes required for president. Is that is there a ceiling on that for trump . Where does he have room to grow and does he have room to grow . Its interesting. Donald trump is almost no ones second choice. We ask people, who is your first choice then who is your second. Donald trump that is great support of course in the first but not so much in the second that tells me that hes very much a known commodity. Either like him and know him or they dont. Ben carson is more of peoples second choice. But having said that im not sure always matters whether or not he has a ceiling because this is a fractured field. You can win if it stays fractured at 0 or 40 about where he is. The ben carson vote while i get your point about splitting things up. Carson has wondering about room to grow. Yeah. Fact that he is in second place also lot of peoples second choice dr. Carsons support looks lot like Donald Trumps support which to say that it cuts across all the groups that we like to categorize. The tea party, evangelical, conservative moderate. He does well with all of them. Dickerson well talk to ben carson. Anthony stay with us well talk to you about what you found among democrats. Now turn to the other republican weve been talking about dr. Ben carson he joins us from charleston. What do you make about your position in the polls . Well, im glad to see that so many people are starting to listen to what im saying. Evaluating it on its merits as opposed to listening to what people have portrayed me as saying, make a big difference. Dickerson want to talk to you about what anthony and i were talking about what are the attributes that make a president. Im not trying to create a fake fight but donald trump says that you have no energy, that he can make deals. What is your sense of that . Is he right, are you too nice to be president . Well, i dont think so. I dont think theres anything wrong with being nice but you have to recognize that my life is multifaceted. Growing up having multiple jobs, experiencing every level socioeconomic level in, spending 18 years on the board of kellogg. 16 years on the board of costco. Enormous amount of experience. Chairman of the Compensation Committee for fortune 500 company. And in fact if you go back you look at the compensation of the top executives it was really very reasonable, nothing like what you were talking about in the previous segment. I have a lot of experience doing things. Starting a National Nonprofit nine out of ten which fail. Ours has only not failed but working in all 50 states hat won Major National awards that are only given to one nonprofit in the country a year. So its ridiculous to think that the only thing that i can do is neurosurgery. I find it quite humorous when people say hes idiot savant they dont know what it takes to become a neurosurgeon. You wrote about importance of humility. And how important that has been in your life why is it important for a president to have humility . Because you need to be able to listen. One of the things that i have discovered throughout the many things that ive been involved in is that we have some incredibly talented people in this country. I just finished this morning taking to someone who is a cybersecurity expert and listening to all the things, just mind boggling. You have to be humble enough to be able to listen to other people and recognize that sometimes they might actually know more than you do. And be able to integrate that. Theres nobody who knows everything. But we have incredibly talented nation. If we use our things appropriately our strength is in our unity not in our divisiveness. Everything seems to think that whatever they do is greatest thing. If youre a politician, only politicians can solve the problems f. Youre a businessman, only businessman can solve the problems. Lawyer doctor, thats ridiculous. What we need to do put our talents together, understand what our goals are and then to accomplish this. Dickerson when you think of donald trump is he humble enough to be president . That would be a decision that the voters will make. Dickerson whats your thought on that . As i said, i think im going to leave that up to the voters, thats the appropriate way to do it. Dickerson let me ask you this about the voters, particularly the donors you have highest number of people donating to your campaign of any of the republican candidates. You talked about that, seemed to get emotional about it earlier this week, temp us about that. Well, i was talking about the kind of people who are donating to us. By the time the debate comes up well be just under 500,000 donations. Average one being about 50. Some of those donors are on fixed incomes and they write letters and say, i can only give 25. But next month im giving 25 2 3rds, too. When i think about people being willing to sacrifice like that and what they have been through and what they think about the future of our country theres no way that i can let those people down. Dickerson asking about immigration which as you said that Donald Trumps plan for deporting those undocumented workers here is unrealistic. Is it unrealistic because unfeasible or is it do you have a moral problem with that notion of trying to deport all the undocumented workers who are here. The logistics are difficult. As i said im all ears. If somebody can tell me exactly how you can do that i would certainly be interested in hearing it. But the fact of the matter is, our problem is that our federal government is not supporting the local authorities at the border. Its disgusting what is going on. People are risking life and limb just to have come along say that when i was a kid that barely represented any impediment whatsoever. Its ridiculous. Until we seal our borders Everything Else is irrelevant. Lets say we get them filled because in the Carson Administration that what be done in the first year. Also turn off the spigot that dispenses the goodies so that people dont have any incentive to come here and those who are here, we have to recognize that we captain just round them up but we can give them an opportunity to register. I would give them sixmonth period if they register they have a pristine record, they havent been causing problems, i would give them an opportunity to become guest workers not citizens, not voting people, not people who get goodies. I think that would be a fairway to do it. In terms of them becoming citizens later on down the road if they have done things the right way we the American People will decide what the criteria will be. Dickerson thanks so much for being with us. Well can back to see how that Hillary ClintonBernie Sanders match up is going in the key primary states. He new youll need the right it infrastructure. From a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. Hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. And stay ready for everything that is still to come. Dickerson were back with cbs news election director anthony salvanto. On the democratic side it is Bernie Sanders surging hes up in iowa. He is propelled there by liberal voters, by very liberal democrats. Up ten points on Hillary Clinton there. And then in New Hampshire where hes been doing well for awhile hes up substantially. Same story. Up with liberal voters and doing very well with independence, too. But the thing here john, theres enthusiasm gap. Bernie sanders voters say that theyre enthusiastic about voting for him. Much more so than people who are supporting Hillary Clinton. Seems to be coming out that hes speaking, hes resonating with that liberal component of the Democratic Base on the economic message, on the populous message going against the rich. Going against the billionaire class. Dickerson just to recap up ten in iowa, up 22 in New Hampshire, up by almost 40 points on the enthusiasm scale when that question was asked in New Hampshire. Shag winning in South Carolina. Theres a different set of demographics than other two states shes taking advantage of that. Shes winning among democrats as opposed to the independents and doing very well with African American voters there as well. If you look further from South Carolina down the line of primaries there are lot more states there in the south where she could have also that kind of favorable split. The other thing, too john, that across all of these states democrats say that email server doesnt matter to them. Very big numbers for that. In iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, its not affecting whether or not they are supporting mrs. Clinton. Dickerson does she have some room there to return her standing not impediment that wont go away . Its the enthusiasm as opposed to that particular issue whenner with see sanders is generating the. That that is pulling in a lot of people who are then gravitating. Dickerson just quickly on the joe biden question, 22 in South Carolina that s that an opening . It may be. We tested in all of these states, even of course hes not formally in the race thats the state where he does do the best. Hes just behind Bernie Sanders in fact in the poll, 23 to 22. Yes, of the three states given his support right now that would probably be the place where he would go. Dickerson all right. Excellent. Anthony our director of elections. Thank you so much. We will be right back with more discussion about the political race this year. engine rev i obviously havent slowed down at all what do you think . 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They built the golden gates and the empire states. Doers turn nothing into something. And something into Something Else. Doin got this nation done. Along with the hula hoop, blue jeans and that little thing we call the interstate highway system. And all this doin . It takes energy, no matter whos doin. Theres all kinds of doin up in here. Or what theyre doin. What the hecks he doin . Energy got us here. And its our job to make sure theres enough energy to keep doers doin the stuff doers do. To keep us all doin what we do. Dickerson welcome back im john dickerson. Joining us from chicago is democratic strategist and cnn senior political help tate or David Axelrod. David, youve been inside these campaigns and you know what its like take us inside of what happens when youre in campaign and the numbers arent looking good which is the situation Hillary Clinton faces. I remember eight years ago almost to the day when everybody was reading last rights over the obama campaign, we were way behind in National Polls and what happens is that every donor in america becomes amateur political consultant, very generous with their advice. I remember during that period one of the donors in chicago summoning him to a meeting that he must fire his leadership and replace it with people who are more familiar with washington politics. You know its a very uncomfortable place to be. But you have to keep your perspective in the midst of the storm and take the long view, make the adjustments you need to make and not panic. Dickerson not run. What does Hillary Clinton have to do at this moment . I think we ought to apply some perspective to this. Shes still in a very strong position. Iowa and New Hampshire are challenging for her but iowa involves organizationf we hadnt started organizing iowa in march of 2007 with all momentum we had, im not sure we would have won the iowa caucus she learned that lesson. My understanding theyre doing a better job of organizing iowa on the ground thats going to be meaningful in the winter as you as we discussed john. After iowa and New Hampshire come series of states with large minority populations where she has decided advantage. The situation isnt all that bleak for her as these polls would suggest. But there is certainly an alarm should be taken seriously. I think she needs to untether herself from the talking points from the telepromters from the polling, get herself out of this straight jacket of inevitability and speak from the heart about why she wants to be president what this cam spain all about. Authenticity is the coin of the realm in president ial politics she needs to show her. Dickerson explain authenticity we hear that word all the time. Talk about the transaction that takes place with a voter and the candidate who they think is quote, unquote authentic. I think people want to know that the person theyre voting for is comfortable in their own skin and presenting themselves as they are. Is not filtering everything through a sevensecond political kind of delay so that it comes out in absolutely calibrated language which is the feeling you get from them from time to time. They want to know that you are who you seem to be. And i would argue that authenticity is leading indicator in president ial races if you look at the last many president ial races the more authentic candidate tends to win that election at least in the general election. So its very, verymportant. Dickerson when you hear about then tis tee a lot of people mention joe biden do you they hes going to run . I think he is authentic. Hes utterly authentic. He says what he means and he says what he feels. And i think we ought to listen to what hes been saying lately. I dont think hes playing a game when he says that he doesnt know if he has the emotional reserves to run a pat shall race. He knows uniquely what it takes to run a president ial race. I think that this is going to be a very hard thing for him to overcome. And thats what hes been telling us so i take him at his word and ultimately that may be the deciding factor that he wont run. Dickerson another candidate who gets the authentic label is bernie sappedders, hes doing very well in the polls give us your sense of his future and what the obstacles and challenges are for him. I think hes done a great job. I have to give him a great deal of credit, hes gone farther than anybody anticipated. It is partly because he comes across as a guy who believes exactly what hes saying is very passionate about it. But the test is different it gets harder as the race goes on. One of them is do you have the dimensionality to be president and its not just about making a speech, its about how you relate to people, thats going to be a challenge for him. But the other challenge the one that i mentioned he doesnt have a relationship with minority communities because of the state from which he comes. And you can see that in polling nevada and elsewhere. Hes going to need to develop that to become a competitive candidate down the line. Dickerson all right. David axelrod thanks so much for being with us. Great to be with you. Dickerson we turn now to our Political Panel peg knee noonan from the wall street journal, John Heilemann is the comanaging editor of bloomberg politics. Gwen ifill is the coanchor of the newshour as well as moderator and managing editor of washington week. And peter baker is the White House Correspondent for the New York Times, welcome to all of you weve got a lot of numbers lets start with the democratic race. John, let me start with you, Hillary Clinton is behind Bernie Sanders, Martin Omalley doesnt really show up in the polls, 5 in iowa but New Hampshire and South Carolina in our poll hes not showing up. What is the situation for Hillary Clinton right now . The situation is not great for Hillary Clinton right now its not just the numbers in your poll have now taken another step in the same trajectory shes losing altitude consistently in the past six months. The first two states of the nomination contest its true what david axel odd they are unique almost Bernie Sanders has a purchase in those states this he might have in more demographically diverse states but those for big important states. If you were the front runner, inevitable front runner now losing ground every day in those states and seeing Bernie Sanders rise in those states you can see whats going on underneath those numbers which is lack of enthusiasm. Questions about her honesty and trustworthiness they are bad owe mens for her. Not over by any mean bankruptcy is headed in the wrong direction. Dickerson when she tried to apologizing for having having not having two email accounts, there were some reports in the paper about efforts to increase authenticity which were trying to figure out what that means. You a did she do on that front in reversing . Must make her crazy having David Axelrod being her defender when he took her down. Shes not doing well. We also beyond what we see in the first polls. Especially with joe biden included we all know from experience that you are always at your strongest before you get in the race. We except anguish but of course that takes away from her especially with the questions. I thought it was interesting however, the poll that people say its not the email controversy it means its Something Else. Dickerson might be harder to fix because you can turn over a server say youre sorry but if its Something Else peggy David Axelrod said Hillary Clinton needs to untether herself. How does a person untether themselves . I wasnt sure what he meant untether from what . From this predictable defensive persona in which shes very self protective or, i wasnt sure if that was exactly it. Let me tell you what i think is most remarkable about what were discussing here. Mrs. Clinton has been operating at the highest level of american politics for a quarter century now. And were talking about her second president ial campaign or attempt to get nomination were still saying things like, authenticity and you should show your warmth and humor. What an extraordinary in quarter century we still have to have that conversation. They were saying it 20 years ago. To me this all just is start can to feel like 2008 again. Inevitable candidate starts to look evitable. If biden got in i must tell you within two or three days hed be up 20 points. I think he would be such a serious contender. Dickerson ill get to authenticity in a minute. Peter since you spent so much time thinking about white house and campaign is supposed to tell us about candidates and handle these situations. It is familiar in a white house to have a huge firestorm and everybody kind of hunkers down and they have to adjust but not adjust so much David Axelrod talked about this, adjust so thatch they go haywire. What do we know about Hillary Clinton as president from what the clintons have been through this as you said so many times, scandal recovery. Scandal, recovery. Set back some of sort. Theyre got add it. The rebounders in american politics. We should not as john said count her out by any stretch. If you look at the 2 candidates running for president one person you still want to be if you were running is Hillary Clinton she has the best organization and money and position despite her problems. Name recognition. But the problems are important and they do tell you something how she would be as president , shes reluctant to admit mistakes, talk about authenticity, i think the authentic Hillary Clinton said she wasnt sorry because i dont think she was. I did the right thing, i was allowed to do it, whats the problem. She resists advice to Say Something otherwise. I tell you how you dont project authenticity. By having your campaign tell the world youre going to project authenticity then talk to reporters how you decided that you were going to project authenticity on the basis of focus groups. Thats the way you dont project authenticity. One way you do project is go on Steven Colbert as joe biden you give interview like that that comes across as to everyone watching as human real, use the word anguish but funny at points. Again, whether you like joe biden or not thats the real deal. Thats a human being i can relate to. Dickerson once again you win the segue award for the roundtable. Now run just a little piece of joe biden talking about what youre talking about from that appearance on Steven Colbert talking about his thoughts for running for president. I dont think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one they know exactly why they would want to be president. Two, they can look at the folks out there and say i promise you you have my whole heart my whole soul, my energy and my passion to do this. And id be lying if i said that i knew i was there. I hear him saying i dont know that i can trust myself to do this that i might run into something who mentions my sons name and ill burst into tears. One thing that struck me is anyone youve ever covered who runs for president is 110 in it. Believe themselves to be more possible for them than anybody else hes ever seen. At least not yet. I dont know how he gets between now and when he needs to be serious. Its odd that he it strikes me as a little bit odd that he continually talks about his struggle to get there the reasons behind it struggle is well established its done. I have a feeling he should stop talking like that if theres any possibility that hes going to get in this thing because as americans i think its working for him. I think i dont think its calculated but i do think its been a huge part of the ground swell around this. The Vice President s inner circle incoming from donors from elected officials, from voters trying to get him has ramped up exponentially. Every time he talks about stuff like this it makes him seem like more sympathetic character. I understand that when you keep saying i just cant or im not sure i can get to 110 then two weeks later you announce youre at 110 . Talk about fire in the belly whether a candidate with low energy, it is a hard transition from this. The good thing for Vice President bidens point of view his support the calls run, joe, run for a long time he was just forgotten. The Vice President . I thought he was now exactly. Uncle joe. He hated that. He wanted respect. He decides to run or not on his own terms because you can say the party wanted me to run even if i didnt. I have a ton of reporting on this this week, i have story coming out tomorrow morning that i believe the conversation of this narrative but i will say this for now. I have said for six months that i did not necessarily thought that i believed he would not run. I now think more likely that he will run, i think that he will get in later than people assume. I think that he has more or less the human still needs to get over that last hump in his heart get there with his family but i think on every other metric, i think he basically save that tape. You know anything about the we have to get money, we have to get registered in each state, all that have stuff first filing deadlines the middle of november. Very acutely aware of when they are. Dickerson final quick point. Obviously know what gwen talked about this stuff now will drop away once he starts to run does he have the energy for that . I think that is the question. Again, i dont want to say. Hes being honest when hes not 100 there. But i think they believe what peggy said which is that when he gets in, if the things keep going the way that theyre going when he gets in hell get a huge boost in positive direction that will eventually hell get a big bump on the Positive Side going in. Hillary clinton will just sit back let it happen. Wont push back at all. My goodness. Thats going to be something to watch. Of course well all be here. For now well have to stop far a moment. Well be right back with more from our panel. Take a look at these bbq trophies best cracked pepper sauce. Most ribs eaten while calf roping. Yep, greatness deserves recognition. You got any trophies, cowboy . Whoomp there it is uh, yeah. Well, uh, well theres this one. Best insurance mobile app . Yeah, two years in a row. Well ill be. Does that thing just follow you around . Like a little puppy the awardwinning geico app. Download it today. Dickerson were back with more of our panel, John Heilemann. Peggy noonan switch to the republicans. Donald trump is on top hes saying ben carson is too nice. Ben carson, nice guy to number two, what do you make. Ben carson saying i have had lot of experience in business, ive been on a lot of boards, ive been on Compensation Committees, thats interesting. Look, that trump came from no where and established himself a huge story. Ben carson has come up is number two now is a huge story. The disappearance of jeb thats a huge story. Theres a lot of bubbling going on from. We see i suppose trump will now be saying ben carson has low energy and ben carson will be saying, you got to focus on this fellows character. I think we may see some sparks on the debate on wednesday night. All these fellows have to go after each other the first debate was all trump. Second debate is everybody else going boom. I thought this horse race is really interesting almost more interesting was peoples second choice. Trump support is wide right now, people ask there is second choice. If ben carson is second choice, he is. Ben carson is connecting in a way with people who might actually show up to vote in a way that the trump voters who are not voters as far as we can tell, they are first timers, drawn to the show. Im not sure how lasting it is because that have second choice question. Dickerson and ben carson in our interview, peter baker, he does not want to he appeared to Say Something that might have been critical of donald trump then backed away today wasnt ready to either. The antitrump. Literally nice and not nice. Not nice by the way is doing pretty well in american politics does reward that to some extent. And so to see him at this position whether it lasts or not i dont know. He has to introduce himself in way that people know trump. They have nope trump for years. Hes such a well established figure in american society. Ben carson isnt. This debate this week is chance for him to take those numbers really introduce himself in real way to voters. But hes so calm and deliberate, carson that i wonder if he can negotiate himself into being a more fiery character. Calm or deliberate on the stage in this debate. You saw this beak, jeb bush, Carly Fiorina, all going after trump. It didnt work to ignore him in cleveland. I dont think anybody is going to ignore him. Its going to be a blood bath. Dickerson but donald trump is not wrong when he says rick perry went after him now he has left the race. That it has not worked. It has not worked so far. Be interesting to see if the whole rather than in scatter shot way what it will be. Im not predicting it, i think theres going to be on that stage people now think we must do something about this. Ignoring it is not working either. You go after trump or after ideology this is not a debate about ideology at all that leaves people basically one option. Or lack of. Dickerson let me ask you this question for so long weve heard from republicans who feel betrayed. Now lot to show too conservative is that important, whatever donald trump has . I found that very interesting. In anthonys work, what they said that was most important to them was business experience. That tells you that in 1992 maybe its the economy. Maybe thinking economic stuff. Its clear that Trump Supporters are ideologically all over the place. They are not necessarily conservative. His trump support is more interesting than that but i have also argued that the base sifts royaling a bit. Is expressing different things. Bunch of Trump Supporters are for nationallized health care. That tells you something is who right now are not necessarily thrilled with trump. They dont know how to deal with it. Which you see them talking about, we want to build walls with doors. This guy is not reagan theyre trying to say. We havent seen an ad, a real ad against trump or money spent. We havent seen Real Campaign yet right now what we see is the run up that is why all of the numbers are really interesting. In iowa watch those conservatives who like ben carson better than donald trump. Thats an advantage he has. Dickerson george w. Bush was one of them. Donald trump is not one of them. George w. Bush actually spoke the language in way that people heard and understand. Donald trump has been divorced, used to be for abortion rights. Doesnt have that kind of background. Right now it hasnt hurt him. The question is whether somebody can make it hurt him because it can bring that home to people. Its fascinating that people have adopt him despite that. Dickerson peter baker last word. Well be back in a moment look at authenticity in politics. Stay with us. Without the internet i would probably be like a c student. Internet essentials from comcast has brought lowcost high Speed Internet into the homes of hundreds of thousands of lowincome families. It lets students do homework and study at home. So far more than two Million People across america have benefitted. Internet essentials is going to transform the lives of families. I see myself as maybe an entrepreneur. Internet essentials from comcast. Helping to bridge the digital divide. Dickerson this summer weve been talking about then tis tee. Cord to polls donald trump has it, ben carson has it, senator Bernie Sander has it, Hillary Clintons advisors tell the New York Times shes going to try to show it. Then theres joe biden who has his own category. He told Steven Colbert that he cant commit to running for president because grief at the loss of his son beau keeps cam bushing him as a trip. I was talking about being the backbone of this country and all of a sudden its going great. A guy in the back yells served in iraq all of a sudden, i lost it. Dickerson you captain have a president who is going to lose it, biden says, struggling on making something of grief has also given structure to his life. Having built a career after the death of his wife and daughter when beau was just a bow. Mom had an expression as long as you are alive you have an obligation to strive and youre not dead until youve seen the face of god. No one owes you anything. Its just got to get up and i feel like i was letting down beau, i was letting down my parents. Letting down my family. Dickerson how have you let them down . If i didnt just get up. Just got to get up. Dickerson joe bidens battle between losing it and getting up is messier than what he comes to expect in politics where authenticity is often an act. Its an effort to hold on to face and find grace and make something out of suffering. A struggle other people have known. And which feels authentic because it has nothing to do with politics. Back in a moment. Just stay calm and move as quietly as possible. No sudden movements. Google search bodega beach house. Im a wife a sister dickerson thats it for us today if you want to read more about our cbs Battleground Tracker to go cbsnews. Com. Until next week for face the nation im john dickerson. Looking for the blitz. Two minutes to go in the quarter and a score on this drive. Week one is here. Jay gruden wearing a little teal polo. I think those are Miami Dolphins colors. Guys are ready to get this underway. Those are the redskins arriving at fedex field. Washington hs miami. Good morning. Thank you for joining