Transcripts For WRC Late Night With Seth Meyers 20170126

Of determination . Okay, yeah. [ laughter ] i should have guessed. [ cheers and applause ] i should have guessed. According to the New York Times the white house kitchen has been stocked with President Trumps favorite snacks, including lays potato chips. [ light laughter ] and his cabinet has been filled with crackers. [ laughter and applause ] thats weird he likes lays potato chips. I figured he would be more of a pringles guy, since hes the only person whose hands are small enough to reach the bottom of the can. [ laughter and applause ] i i personally cant stop. [ light laughter ] its true what they say. U. S. U. S. Us weekly. [ laughter ] americas magazine. [ laughter and applause ] stars are just like u. S. Us weekly release their new cover story on Donald Trumps children, and promised everything you didnt know about the trump kids. Is it their names . Asked trump. [ light laughter ] theres ivanka and then, you know, the field. [ light laughter ] today was national fluoride day, while next week starts plaque history month. [ light laughter ] zero out of five audience members approve of that joke. [ laughter ] three people were arrested and charged in new jersey today after leaving behind a pound of marijuana in their hotel room. How could you forget a pound of mari oh, right, right. Okay, of course. [ laughter and applause ] netflix has announced a reboot of the tv show queer eye for the straight guy, and their First Episode is making over Vice President mike pence. Just check out this before and after. Really good. Really good. [ laughter and applause ] tostitos has developed a new chip bag that contains breathalyzer sensors, and can help order an uber ride if a person is too drunk to drive. While combos have gone with a different approach. [ laughter ] according to a recent study, men on dating sites are more popular if they mention dancing or cooking. Because if theres one thing women love, its a man who can lie. [ laughter ] and finally, investors have announced that playboy is bringing back its playboy club brand by opening a location here in new york. Man, how many executive orders is this guy going to sign . [ laughter and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, we have a fantastic show for you tonight. [ cheers and applause ] shes got an upcoming documentary on nat geo, gender revolution. Katie couric is here tonight. [ cheers and applause ] so excited to have her here this evening. Also, star of the new film gold, Bryce Dallas Howard is joining us. [ cheers and applause ] and he is a contributing editor for rolling stone, and his new book, its a bestseller. Insane clown president is out now. Matt taibbi will be joining us. [ cheers and applause ] before we get to all of that, today, President Trump doubled down on his false claims about nonexistent voter fraud, amid reports of concerns from some people around him about his behavior. For more on this, its time for a closer look. [ cheers and applause ] seth it hasnt exactly been a reassuring start for the Trump Administration, and some people close to trump are seem very eager to give reporters damning details about where he gets his information from, expressing concern in particular, that he watches too much tv. Politico reported this week that, quote, one person who frequently talks to trump said aides have to push back privately against his worst impulses in the white house, and have to control information that he gets bored and likes to watch tv. So it is important to minimize that. [ light laughter ] hey, i hear you, im dealing with the same issue with my son. Hes nine months old, and were trying to observe a no screens rule, but sometimes he gets cranky, and the only thing that works is dora the explorer. So been there. [ laughter and applause ] been there. Why do trumps aides have to regulate his Tv Consumption . Well, according to the Washington Post, trump has been resentful, even furious at what he views as the medias failure to reflect the magnitude of his achievements. And he feels demoralized that the publics perception of his presidency so far does not necessarily align with his own sense of accomplishment. [ light laughter ] accomplishment . Youve been president for five days. [ light laughter ] and it seems most of that time has been spent signing giant documents and then showing people that you signed them. [ laughter ] its like how [ applause ] its like how you read a book to kids and then donnie built a wall. And then theres a picture of in fact, trump has apparently been so obsessed with Media Coverage of his crowds and his socalled achievements, that, according to the New York Times, several senior advisers urged him to move on, and focus on the responsibilities of office during his first full day as president. Just let that sink in. The president s aides had to urge him to focus on the responsibilities of his office. Whats he going to be like in an actual crisis . Mr. President , north korea has fired a nuke. Hold on, dora and boots are helping a baby fish find its mother. [ laughter ] so theres a lot going on. [ applause ] trump staffers are even making snarky comments about how lazy he is. Referring to white house counselor kellyann conway, one trump confidante suggested that conways office on the second floor of the west wing, as opposed to one closer to the oval office, was a sign of her diminished standing, and dismissively predicated that trump would rarely climb a flight of stairs. [ light laughter ] that sounds right. I think trump would look at a flight of stairs and say, this escalators broken. [ laughter ] an told the Associated Press that, quote, the bad press over the weekend has not allowed trump to enjoy the white house as he feels he deserves. Hey, man, youre not supposed to enjoy the white house. Thats why dudes go in looking like this, and come out looking like this. [ laughter ] thats not a guy who was at a super fun party. [ cheers and applause ] thats not a guy leaving a carnival, thats a guy who was just visited by three ghosts. [ laughter ] only one president ever really enjoyed the white house, and he got impeached for it. [ laughter and applause ] the same article continues, those around trump are trying to get the cable news consumer in chief to be near a television less often. Have you tried hiding the remote some place he would never look, like under the constitution . [ laughter and applause ] and you can see trumps cable News Consumption influencing his thinking in real time. On tuesday, for example, at 9 25 pm, trump tweeted, if chicago doesnt fix the horrible carnage going on, i will send in the feds. Where could trump possibly have gotten that idea . Was it maybe uttered about an hour earlier on cable news . Gang violence in chicago getting worse. Will President Trump step in and override local authorities . Seth if youre going to copy your work, at least change it enough to hide your tracks. Didnt you learn anything from your inauguration speech . We are transferring power from washington, d. C. , and giving it back to you, the people. We take gotham from the corrupt, and we give it back to you. The people. [ laughter and applause ] seth so trump [ cheers and applause ] its going to be tremendous. [ light laughter ] so trump literally takes his cues from fox news, ba could be good if we could just find a way to get bill oreilly to say this. Donald trump should step down. Seth could work. [ cheers and applause ] should work. Trump spent the first few days of his term lying about crowd sizes. And now hes even lying about his own victory in november, repeating, in a meeting with congressional leaders and in a series of tweets, the insane and false claim that three to five million illegal votes cost him the popular vote. Of course, this claim has been repeatedly debunked, including by trumps own lawyers, who wrote in a legal filing on behalf of the Trump Campaign objecting to a recount in michigan in december that, quote, all Available Evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake. Donald, im going to repeat a phrase im sure youve heard many times in court listen to your lawyers. [ laughter ] now, you might remember, after the last crowd size debacle, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer promised the White House Press corps, quote, our intention is never to lie to you. Thats interesting language. Our intention is never to lie to you. [ light laughter ] its like saying, i dont want to lie to you, baby, but then you get so upset when i sleep with other girls, you gave me no choice. [ laughter ] given that promise, theres no way spicer would come out the very next day and repeat trumps blatant and obvious lies about fake voter fraud, right . Does the president believe that millions voted illegally in this election, and what evidence do you have of widespread voter fraud in this election, if thats the case . The president does believe that. He has stated that before. He continues to maintain that belief based on studies and evidence that people have presented to him. How can he be comfortable with his win if he believes hes very comfortable with his win. Three million votes, maybe he didnt win no, hes very comfortable with his win. Seth hes very comfortable with his win. It may have seemed small at the time, but you have to remember, in november, its very cold. [ laughter and applause ] now, maybe, maybe spicer is just a little agitated because, as the Washington Post recently reported, spicer churns through which he chews and swallows whole. Two and a half packs by noon, said spicer. I talked to my doctor about it. He said its no problem. Do you share a doctor with donald trump . [ laughter ] swallowing gum is good for your stomach, and your brain. In fact, the human brain is mostly gum. I learned that from a famous neurosurgeon. [ laughter and applause ] so now, because of trumps lies, its difficult to believe him on anything policy related. Like, for example, when he claimed, quote, i was the first and only potential gop candidate to state there will be no cuts to social security, medicare and medicaid. You might remember that to hold him to the promise, Bernie Sanders took to the senate floor with a giant printout of that trump tweet. And apparently [ cheers and applause ] apparently, bernie kept the git tweet, because on tuesday, he showed up for the confirmation hearing for trumps potential office of management and budget director mick mulvaney, and behind him there was a staffer who was once again carrying the giant trump tweet. And you know thats the same one, because you know theres no way bernie doesnt recycle his giant tweets. [ light laughter ] bernie probably brings his own paper cup to the deli. [ light laughter ] why waste a new cup when this one is perfectly fine . [ light laughter ] and yet, on tuesday, mulvaney repeatedly indicated that he would favor cutting these programs, despite trumps promises. Meanwhile, trump is moving forward with cruel and unnecessary promises to ban refugees and build a Mexican Border wall. So if you like a wall, good news. If you like a refugee ban, good news. If you like social security, medicare and medicaid, be worried. And remember, when they cut medicare and you want to go to mexico for cheap healthcare, you wont be able to get there because of the [ bleep ] wall. [ cheers and applause ] this has been a closer look. Well be back with more late night, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] vo when youre on your phone 24 7, you probably think you need an unlimited plan. But actually, the majority of people pay for data they never use. 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Thank you. [ cheers and applause ] seth thank you so much for being in the band. Now, this is very exciting. A couple years ago, i was in my parents attic, and i found my old video game system. This is a game system that came out before atari, before ni jorbus. The jorbus was made by the now out of Business Department store montgomery ward. Let me show it to you, see if you guys remember the old jorbus. There we go. [ light laughter ] very sleek, beautiful machine. For my money, the jorbus had the best video games that had ever been created. And i have been playing it nonstop ever since i found it. A lot of these games are ahead of their time. So lets take a look at some of them in a segment we call old video games. [ cheers and applause ] seth all right, so the first game were going to show you is this classic, pill pick extreme. Now in this game you play a Senior Citizen and you have to remember to take the right pills for each day of the week. And if you take the pills youre suppose to, the game rewards you with scoops of bran cereal. [ light laughter ] unfortunately if you take even one of your pills in the wrong order, you die. [ laughter ] and if you get to the final level and take all the pills youre supposed to, you win the game and you also die, but you die peacefully. [ laughter ] you have to remember back in the to be old people. Because of the movie cocoon. [ light laughter ] next up, you guys remember the dream team, the 1992 dream team . A fantastic basketball team. They went to the olympics. You dont have to clap. [ laughter ] they got plenty of applause back then. So this is really cool, this is called Christian Laettner olympic basketball. Now in this game you play as 1992 Olympic Dream Team member Christian Laettner who pretty much just sat on the bench the whole time. So [ light laughter ] you press a if you want to clap for magic johnson. And you press b and you can clap for larry bird. And this was super cool, if you clapped enough, you got to unlock michael jordan. And then once you did that, you got to be Christian Laettner as he high fives michael jordan. [ laughter ] its a fantastic game. The more you played it, the more fun you had. Next game is one of my favorites. This was jorbuss answer to the much more popular game duck hunt. Im of course talking about duck hunk. Now, in duck hunk you play you play a buff male duck who cruises the streets of los angeles honking at beautiful women. Hey, duck hunk, looking good. [ quacking ] hey, duck hunk have you been working out . [ quacking ] hey, duck hunk, can i feel your muscle . [ quacking ] seth and if that wasnt fun enough theres another part of the game where you just stand in front of a mirror admiring your muscles. But this is really cool, you know duck hunt came with a gun. This game played with a blow dryer and you can plug it in to your jorbus and point it at the tv and check out what happens. [ light laughter ] oh yeah. Seth interesting fact, this game game was very popular among bestiality enthusiasts. [ light laughter ] in fact, it turned out it was actually just a very successful fbi sting operation. [ light laughter ] next up, we have another classic game. A lot of video games are based on music. And this one was inspired by the 1982 Bruce Springsteen album nebraska. In this game you play as Bruce Springsteen d walk around an abandoned midwestern town after a factory closed. Take a look. Closed. Thats closed down. [ light laughter ] that ones closed too. Anyone in there . [ light laughter ] is this one open . No. Closed. Seth also, they couldnt afford any music rights, so you never hear springsteen. [ light laughter ] the last game was jorbuss answer to the popular mortal combat fighting game series. But also, an attempt to siphon off of the success of lighthearted 80s comedies. This game is, of course, john hughes ultimate fighter. And in this game, you can play as any of your favorite john hughes characters, like here, where Ferris Bueller fights against andy from pretty in pink. Ready . Fight. [ light laughter ] ducky, help me. Im gonna call cameron. Finish him. [ audience ohs ] andy wins. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. Seth give it up for the jorbus, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] well be right back with more late night. Sorry theres no elevator in this wing. I made you a little snack. Sweet dreams nutrition alert, enjoy that breakfast jimmy hello mr. Khaled. Do you have a tax question . I use my crib as a bed n breakfast from time to time. The question is, can i deduct some of the complementary room items . Thats the question you feel me . Yes, you can enter them here. Great because i love to keep my people happy. Mr. Khaled. Jimmy whats good . I clogged my toilet up i got you i believe in me too. I am the unicorn of your confidence theres more than one route to the top. The lexus ls and lx. 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[ cheers and applause ] im so happy to be here. This is my first time on your show, seth. [ talking over each other ] seth im honoredha congratulations. I love watching you. Seth thank you so much. Congratulations to you as well. You just had a birthday, congratulations. Thanks. Yes, i did. [ cheers and applause ] i dont know if you all would be applauding if you knew what birthday it was. [ light laughter ] the big sixo. Seth sixo. [ cheers and applause ] i dont think i dont think a lot of 60yearolds rock out like this on their birthday. Look at that. Yeah, i had a lot of fun. I had a i kind of had a birthday bash because im a Firm Believer in celebrating. I mean, we have to celebrate the good things. And if you reach 60, youre lucky to be here. Right . And so i had a big party. [ cheers and applause ] and a lot of my friends at this party. Seth that is somebody whos about to drink, cause your shoes are off yeah, i know. I love to dance, so i did a lot of serious dancing that night. Max weinberg played. Seth thats impressive. And the guys, so it was a lot of fun. Seth and you you also, this is very exciting for matt lauer, 20 years at nbc. Thats right. Seth you came back and hosted the today show. Did you enjoy it . I did. I did. It was a lot of fun. You know, it felt like, you know, old times. And i have so many friends who are still working there. Seth of course. You know, mark trout the stage manager, you always hear laughing in the background even when the things arent funny. He just sort of tries to encourage our mental act. Seth thats why you can hear him. Hes the one guy. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Seth you of course are still a member of the media and i have to ask. Obviously this Trump Administration, were in the early days of it, but the media has been cast pretty quickly as an adversary, as it was throughout the campaign. What is your relationship with the Trump Administration been so far . Well you know, i would love to interview President Trump at some point. He doesnt seem particularly interested in that at this juncture. Im hoping that hell change his mind. [ light laughter ] you know, i think he does consume, as you said earlier, a lot of television. And i dont think he is that internet savvy, except for his twitter feed, obviously. Seth very good at twitter, yeah. Hes good at twitter, but because he watches so much television, i dont think he realizes how much news and information is actually consumed online for people. So im trying to kind of make sure he realizes that. And i think its actually you know i think its a bit scary to see such an adversarial relationship with the press. Because as he tries to cast doubts on the credibility of a free press, i think he thinks that will prevent anyone from casting doubt on his credibility. Seth yeah. And you know, we really need a free press to hold any president accountable for what theyre doing, and to not obsess on these things that he seems to be sidetracked about. Whether it was the inauguration, crowd size, or now these false claims. Or you know, specious claims about illegal voting. And i think, you know, hopefully theyll both both institutions will get their act together because we really need a free press to cover this administration. [ cheers and applause ] seth there is there is some press he likes. Because you were in his office during the campaign and you noticed something in his office. Yeah, it was interesting. Know, kiss the ring and all that stuff that you have to do sometimes. And i noticed he has a huge, huge desk at his office in trump tower. And there was every magazine that he had been on the cover of. Like ten issues deep. And he had been on the cover of a lot of magazines. Seth sure. So his entire desk was covered with various publications. And i was thinking, wow, you know. Thats an interesting decor for an office. Seth yeah. Yeah. Seth it really is. Its, i mean its like when my mom, when im in the newspaper, my mom gets ten of them. [ light laughter ] my parents used to make scrapbooks for me. Seth my mom makes a scrapbook, too. Which is so sweet. Seth my mom was very but youre not president. Seth thats true. [ laughter ] sorry mom. No, no, that wasnt a dis. Seth i want to talk about maybe you should run, by the way, seth. Seth no, no thank you. [ cheers and applause ] i just it doesnt pay anywhere near enough. [ laughter ] so i want to talk about gender revolution. This is a documentary you made for nat geo. And its really nice timing for Something Like this because i think everyones perceptions of gender are changing. Did you go into this with a full education on it, or did you learn throughout the process . Not at all. I mean, i have been actually very interested in this for several years, because, increasingly i saw so much coverage of this. Obviously with Caitlyn Jenner giving it huge visibility. And i was so interested in how our definition of gender is changing. Millennials, 50 of millennials think that gender is on a spectrum. But somebody like me, a cisgender. Thank you. Someone who identifies with the gender i was born with. You know, who grew up in a very binary world of male female which is to how i start the documentary. Its hard too wrap your head around. Even very progressive friends of mine have, you know, trouble then when my daughter, whos a junior in college, said they go around the room in discussion groups. They say their names and their pronouns. And i thought, wow. Were going were really witnessing a transformational time in terms of gender. So i embarked on this journey to really educate myself with using what i hope was respectful curiosity. And talking to the people who were behind the headlines, the people whose lives are being affected by this, and who are adjusting to this. And the institutions, like yale, that are adjusting to this changing perception. Seth and its not just the perception, but obviously along with that comes, theres a new vocabulary, and you actually i would like to show a clip of you talking. Is this was this at yale . This was with a yale student. Thats right. Seth okay, lets take a look. Okay. My name is matthew, and i am a junior, and i use they, them, their. They, them, theirs. What exactly does it mean to be when i was first going through the initial stages of my transition, there was a time period where i was trying to get people to use he, him, his and like that was maybe less wrong than she, her, hers, but wasnt quite right either. So i started trying out they, them, theirs. And i was just like, this feels good. Like this feels right. People are always saying, oh but they is a plural pronoun. How can i refer to a Single Person that way . In my head i think, well i am plural. Seth its very interesting, and i think its very helpful to watch things like this, and conversations like that, because its natural to have an ignorance for this. Right. Seth i dont think that people should be ashamed for not fully understanding whats happening here. Well one of those yale students just said whats required is radical patience. And i think for everyone to kind of adjust with this new normal that everyone kind of has to give themselves a little room to sometimes make mistakes. So i hope this will be a really good learning tool for people to not only understand the new vernacular, but to also understand the people who this is affecting. Like, you know i talked to a mom and her transgender daughter. And this her daughter contemplated suicide at age seven. And trans people are the suicide rate among trans people is almost 50 , compared to 4. 6 for the general population. So a lot of people say wed rather have a transgender child than a dead child. And i dont think people understand what a struggle this is, that they dont make this decision cavalierly. And theres a whole process and medical professionals and psychological professionals. So i really take a number of stories that will make it hard for people to be so afraid and to be full of hate. When they get to know the real people behind them, behind the story. Seth well im so glad you did it. Its really fantastic. And youre can we say that your motherinlaw helped with the teaching guide . [ light laughter ] and that would be very embarrassing that i wasnt going to. [ light laughter ] katie couric, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] gender revolution airs february 6th on nat geo. Well be right back with Bryce Dallas Howard. [ cheers and applause ] discover card. Customer service maam. 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Seth please welcome to the show Bryce Dallas Howard, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome to the show. Im happy to have you. Im so happy to be here. Thank you. Ive never ive never been here. Seth i know. Its very exciting fan. Im a giant, giant fan. Seth thank you so much. And this film, gold, for those who dont know, this is a real truelife story yes. Seth where Matthew Mcconaughey plays an actual gold prospector. Yes. Yes. Seth and you can tell from that clip, he found some gold. Yeah. Seth yeah. [ laughter ] yeah, he did. He did. Like you said, its based on this true story about this hedonistic guy whos a kind of a businessman, but no one really believes that he can accomplish anything on his own. And he sort of cons his way into this situation, where hes really wealthy, and, you know, obviously things like that never happen in real life. [ laughter ] seth never happen in real life. They never happen in real life. Yeah. [ applause ] seth it would be crazy if it did. No, no seth no no seth you mentioned the hedonistic qualities of this character. Now, you in real life this is true you have never had a sip of alcohol . No. Seth and, yet, in this film, there are many sips of alcohol. Is it phony . Did you ever were you at risk . [ light laughter ] heres what happened, guys . Its time. Im 35. Im just going to come out with it. Seth yeah. So, so we were shooting the scene on set, and it was, like, and we were really sort of, like, just were all dancing. It was the celebration scene, and matthew has champagne, and hes popping corks of champagne everywhere, and were all dancing. And you kind of lose track of where the camera is. And then, he poured champagne into the glass, and i, like, lift it up. And then, i soft see the glint of a camera, and i take a whiff of it, and its champagne. And i shut my lips so tight. [ light laughter ] that champagne was not getting into my body. Seth so, you did it. You did not break the seal. I didnt, but here was my concern. We were shooting in new mexico. The altitude is really its intense, right . Seth yeah. You shouldnt drink alcohol. I wasnt sure if any alcohol went through my pores. Im serious. I googled it. [ laughter ] seth really . I drank lots of water. Seth wow. So you not only have never had a sip of alcohol, you have n basic understanding of how it works . [ laughter and applause ] thats accurately true. Seth i mean, like, i remember my first beer. I had some ideas before i had it. Yeah, yeah. I was raised with ron howard as my father. Seth yeah. So he also doesnt know much about it. Seth okay, got you. So yeah, we have, like, a very, like, 17thcentury understanding, like, living in some, like seth its like, your lifes the liquor store is where the dragons live. Yes. [ laughter ] thats exactly it, actually. Yeah. Seth so, you went to school for acting, but you did not finish, because you had an acting career . Right. Seth and im very impressed to hear that you are actually now going back to get your acting degree. Yeah, so that i can be an actress. Seth yeah. [ cheers and applause ] thank you. Seth how was it . Its well ive actually, ive been kind of ive been, ive been sort of, like, chipping away at it over the last its been a decade now. I actually, when i was doing the last right after i did the last draft, i took a classic at ucla. And it was one of my favorite classes. It was cled hip and cool, a study of distion exclusion, the history of the hipster. [ light laughter ] seth wow. Yes. Seth parents who are paying for that class are so bummed out. [ laughter ] so bummed out. Seriously, i was not. Seth yeah. Everyone like, all the kids in the class, they were, like, 18, 19 years old. Like, there i am, like, in my mid 30s being like, im so happy to be here. Like, someone else is putting my kids to bed right now. Like, this is amazing and i got super into it. And we needed to do an ethnographic field report of hipsters. You know, you see them in their natural habitat, which of course, was silver lake. [ laughter ] seth silver lake. Los angeles. Seth yeah, there you go. And the problem was is that you had to kind of like, you had to adapt and, like, look like one of them. So seth heres your adaptation. This is a very good hipster. I dyed my hair pink [ light laughter ] seth okay, great. For the report. Seth yeah, i will say your eyes look a little bit like someone whos pretending not to be noticed. [ light laughter ] youre like, hello, i am a rmal hipster. Gh i got a compliment, though, at silver lake. I was like, i got a compliment from someone in silver lake. Seth it was a compliment. They liked my hair. Seth oh, thats fantastic. Yeah. Seth you passed, aplus. I know. I know. I think i actually got, like, an aminus, but thats okay. [ light laughter ] for real. Seth now, you mentioned your fathers ron howard, and you did plays in college. Mmhmm. Seth is it intimidating . Did he come see plays of yours when you were in college . Yeah, yeah, yeah, because i was sort of, like, for a while, i was just like, dont come to shows and everything. Because i didnt, you know, i was, like, working out silly thing in my brain. Seth sure. But then, i was part of a play that i was really proud of. It was called its very avant garde called hamlet machine. Seth okay. I played ophelia, and its sort of a gender reversal, actually. So, im naked in the play for 45 minutes. Seth oh, wow. And thats the one you decided to start with . Yeah. Seth you didnt want him to come see our town first, or something . [ light laughter ] no, no. I also thought it would be a seth oh, my goodness. Yeah. Seth all right, so two generations. Yes, my dad was squeamish as hell seth okay. And really freaked out, i think, the whole time. My grandfather, on the other hand, whos an actor, hes 88 years old now, and still a professional actor seth fantastic. He said he came up to me, and he was like, you know, youre never going to be afraid of anything. Youre not, you know, you did that like youre not nothing is going to intimidate you because you laid in front of an audience completely butt naked with, like, butt facing the audience for 45 minutes. Seth yeah. That was, like, a specific detail. It was actually a window. I was, like, hanging out of the window. [ light laughter ] my dad was like, did they have to do that . But then, my grandfather went to the director, and he only had two notes. And it was that he felt that the theater was too bright. [ laughter ] and that they especially needed to lower it at the end when im, like, close up to the audience and totally naked. [ light laughter ] seth thats a grandfathers right. Hes allowed to say that. Seth and im very excited for you to complete your degree, and congratulations on the film, and thank you so much for being here. Its such an honor. Thank you. 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[ cheers and applause ] seth welcome back, everybody. Our next guest is a best selling author and contributing editor for rolling stone. His latest book, insane clown president dispatches from the 2016 circus is available now. Please welcome to the show, matt taibbi, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] seth welcome to the show. Thank you for having me on. Seth congratulations on the book, insane clown president , comes from what you because you covered this from the beginning. Right. Right, yeah, absolutely. Seth amd you referred to those 17 candidates as 17 platypuses trying to mount the queen of england. [ light laughter ] which is very evocative. Its a very nice turn of the phrase. Were you happy when you came up with that . I was trying to think of something that was obscene enough to represent what i thought i was seeing with my eyes, and that was the only thing i could come up with. [ light laughter ] seth yeah. Yeah. Seth what are the obviously right now, we talked about earlier in the show, President Trump is attacking the press a lot. Hes attacking journalists. He did it throughout the entire campaign. Is there do you think theres a fair criticism of the media of course. Seth in so far as how they cover him . In so far as how we cover him, you know, thats a different question. In general, of course, theres a fair criticism of us, because we dont know anything. If we knew anything, wed be doing Something Else for a living. Seth right. [ light laughter ] you know, i met a lot of people on the trail that will say things like, you know you people in the media are always trying to tell me how to live, but you dont know how to fix an seth yeah. I think theres a lot of resentment about the media that is grounded in reality, and trump very candidly exploited a lot of those feelings. Seth you go back and forth, and obviously, this book sort of, you know, takes place throughout your covering of it. Correct. Seth there are times where you think this is all hilarious. Right. Seth and there are times, then, that you think its terrifying, and you kind of go back and forth. Are you still going back and forth . Yeah, no, im sure, as anybody who has a sense of humor feels, that were deeply conflicted because on the one hand, its the funniest thing thats happened to this country. [ light laughter ] you know, on the other hand its, potentially, the end of civilization. [ light laughter ] and, you know but, does that make it funny or, i dont know. I mean, its terrible, and awful, and hilarious all at the same time. And, you know, it made it difficult to know how to think about the entire thing because we know, obviously, you have you to have a strategy for covering any candidate. And in the beginning of the book, its pretty clear. I was covering this as a comedy. I thought this was all very funny. In the middle where its, you know, where we had to start thinking seriously about what did this all mean. And of course, it became weightier there. Seth you talk a little bit, and obviously, theres been a lot of talk about the idea of a bubble and people being inside a bubble. You travel with the reporters, so youre with people who cover this. Can sort of a group think set in where everybody has the same take on how the elections gonna go. Yeah, theres a kind of stockholm syndrome that sets in. And this is something that ive noticed, going back to the First Campaign i covered back in 2004. You know, a lot of people dont realize this, but the campaign is really like a traveling prison. You know, its so airtight once the secret service gets involved. Like, you know, back in those days, i had to smoke. When i was smoking, you had to actually ask somebody to get you cigarettes because you cant escape the bubble. So, youre literally trapped inside the plane with the candidate, the candidates aides, those are the only people you talk to. And what happens when youre in the same environment, with the same people day after day, week after week, you start to adopt each others values, with the politicians and the media this time around. They got so used to each other, and so used relying upon each other to take the temperature of america, they didnt listen to what people were actually saying. I think that was a major factor in trumps rise. Seth so, you know, were gonna obviously, everything goes all right, were going to have another president ial election. [ knocking ] and [ light laughter ] if the world doesnt end before then. Seth we dont know. Or they decide never to hold one again. [ light laughter ] right. Seth if they do, so how you know, will the press cover the next election differently . Or will candidates im giving you a lot of questions here. Sure. Seth are candidates going to adopt the trump model . Like, what can the press do differently next time out . So, heres the problem. You know, trumps brilliant innovation was to realize that the campaign trail story is just a big reality show, and it was a sucky, boring reality show. And then, he turned it into an engrossing impossible to a miss reality show. And i think whats going to happen in the future is that politicians are going to try to run the campaigns like trump not just every day, but every second, every minute, you know . That was a key to his strategy. And i dont know how the press gets away from that, because, you know, financially theyre dependent also on hits and eyeballs and ratings. Seth yeah. And so, its impo its very difficult not to make it into a circus and a show. And any politician who does that, the press is probably going to follow. Seth i will say, dont you think, though i mean, he to compliment him, hes better at this. Like, hes so naturally good at that. I feel like anyone else who tried to do it would be ham fisted and weird. Oh, yeah. Seth like, anyone who says, im going to run Donald Trumps campaign, i think it would fail. Oh, there was a moment in this campaign i remember, ted cruz in new hampshire, trying to do imitations, you know, from the princess bride. He actually wasnt bad. Seth yeah. [ light laughter ] but it was which was depressing for me, because i loved that movie. [ laughter ] but, you know, the attempt to try to be a trumpian character seth well, like, and marco rubio who, all of a sudden, thought he could get into a flame war with donald trump. It was kind of pathetic to watch. It was no one has the total lack of selfawareness, and [ light laughter ] seth yeah. Trump just outclasses all of them in the areas of seth its not that like, in order to be trump, you dont need to read a bunch of books. Its almost like they need to take a part out of your brain. [ laughter ] yeah, exactly, exactly or you have to eat like a [ applause ] seth yeah. Im so glad youre out there. Congratulations on the book. Ive been a big fan for a long time. Thanks for making the time for us. Thank you very much, seth. [ cheers and applause ] seth matt taibbi, everybody. Insane clown president is available now. Well be right back. [ cheers and applause ] [ cheers and applause ] my thanks to katie couric, Bryce Dallas Howard. Matt taibbi, everybody. Darren king, the 8g band. Stay tuned for carson daly, well see you tomorrow. Carson hey, im carson daly. This is last call. Thanks for being here tonight. Were coming to you from skylark in new york city, and we got a good one tonight. In our spotlight, actor and comedian Johnny Pemberton is