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I got to tell you this is just crazy. This is just nuts. Dickerson well hear from two of those candidates donald trump and marco rubio about the debate and the political fall out calling the death of Supreme Court conservative Antonin Scalia who died saturday at the age of 79. Then well check win Bernie Sanders on the latest development in the democratic race. Well have brand new cbs Battleground Tracker poll numbers and plenty of analysis. All ahead on face the nation. Captioning sponsored by cbs good mornings, welcome to face the nation from the center here in greenville, South Carolina. At last nights Republican Debate was anything but peaceful. The reputation for brass knuckle candidates they took their brawling primary on to the stage. Donald trump was on the offensive attacking george w. Bush for the war in iraq. Obviously the war in iraq is a big, fat mistake george bush made a mistake. We can make mistakes. We should have never been in iraq. We have destabilized the middle east. Dickerson you still think he should be impeached. Do whatever you want you call it whatever you want i want to tell you they lied. They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none. They knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Dickerson okay. All right. I am sick and tired of him going after my family. While donald trump is building a reality tv show, my brother was building a Security Apparatus to keep us safe. Im proud of what he did. Hes had the gal to go World Trade Center came down during your brothers dash. Dickerson our cbs Battleground Tracker shows donald trump with a big lead going into the final week before the primary here in South Carolina. 4 . Ted cruz follows at 20 . Marco rubio is at 15. Among the rest of the field john kasich has 9 support. Jeb bush and ben carson are tied poll was conducted before last nights debate. We sat down with donald trump last night immediately after the debate asked him how it looked from his end. It was interesting. I mean, they were shooting at me because im leading by a lot i found it to be an amazing evening, i thought it was fascinating, actually. I actually liked it as they say, i one many of the debate this might have been my best performance. Interesting thing as i was being hit from the sides, here, there, but i think it was probably my best performance. Dickerson it seems, though, in some of the things in your campaign moderated you seem to recognize the fact that people might be turned off by constant fighting. I do. I went to ivy league school, i know how to be behave. I can be so politically correct you would be bored to tears, john. But i truly understand that but at the same time when somebody comes at you with lies, lot of lies out there, when you look at voter i dont know if you saw it voter violation, made up the fraudulent came to a government demanding that people go out and vote for cruz. When you look at what he did to ben carson. They have to be called out. These are dishonest people. Dickerson you mentioned that the World Trade Center came down during george w. Bushs watch. Are you blaming him for not blaming him. The cia and other groups, the cia said there was lot of information that Something Like that was going to happen. Not blaming anybody. Its a tragedy. Horrible. Worst in our countrys history, worse than pearl harbor, talking about civilians not military. Thousands of people killeda horror show. Now, could he have done something about it . The cia knew about things happening, you could have said, we were safe under his brother. His brother got us into the war in iraq which is one of the worst catastrophes ever. The weapons of mass destruction. The World Trade Center came down you cannot say we were safe under his reidn and the cia said something that was going to happen. Dickerson when you say that he lied as you did, weapons werent there there were no weapons of mass destruction. Dickerson this is the Democratic Partyline. Look. Im a businessman, i built a great company, im funding my campaign, people in the audience most were special interests, it was all these people which is fine. Its fine but really not appropriate. But the people in the audience were lobbyists and special interest people. I dont have any of those people because im putting up my own money. I tell the truth. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Im not blaming anybody im just saying he went in there, he thought there were weapons of mass destruction, maybe or maybe he didnt, okay . But he thought there werent. Im telling the truth. Dickerson you said he lied thats he used that as an excuse to go in and try to make up for some sins for previous years, then it would be a lie. But i dont think maybe thats true, maybe it isnt true. Dickerson impeached. You wouldnt own that any more. You would want in 2008 you thought they were let me tell you something. The war in iraq is a disaster. It started the chain of events that leads now to the migration, maybe the destruction of europe. He started the war in iraq, am i supposed to be a big fan . Im a republican, im a conservative, but the truth is, that we started the war in iraq. We spent 2 trillion on that war. We lost thousands of lives. We have Wounded Warriors all over the place. It shouldnt have started. Would have been so much better off. If you had Saddam Hussein who is bad guy, but killing terrorists, now, if you want to become a tourist you go to iraq thats so, look, it was not a great job. People can say hes popular, i dont know why hes popular also have economic collapse at the end of his term. That economic llapse gave us barack obama, witht that collapse we wouldnt have had barack obama. Dickerson let me ask you about politics, now. You had a tough ad hitting senator cruz saying he couldnt be trusted you pulled it down, but i just watched it on tv. No, i pulled it down because i wanted to be nice, i wanted to be a very nice person. Then i saw him do negative ad, i put it back up. Its honorable ad, hes a nasty guy. People dont like him. Think of it, United States senator, you have a lot of friends that are in the senate, in this case he doesnt have any friends. Doesnt have one endorsement from one u. S. Senator these are people that work with him. How can that be possible . You also have questioned his christianity. Is that a christian thing to do . I say. This you cant lie then hold up the bible. Okay . Consistently lies. What he did with the voter violation, which is a fraud. Is a disgrace. You cant do that, you cant hold up all of these values and hold up the bible and then lie. Dickerson speaking of holding up the bible you promised not to use profanity any more. Ive always done it just as way of emphasis and had fun doing it. Running politics we cant do it. I get Standing Ovations the other night, i got Standing Ovations. Lot of times i dont use i didnt use the word. I explained that tonight, i hope. Dickerson you used a few other words. Not big deal. You know, jeb bush goes on, he said hes going to rip down his pants and moon everybody on the street. Moon everybody. Nobody writes about it. Its in couple of papers but nobody writes about it. Thats far worse. Going to rip down his pants and moon everybody . This is a president ial candidate. Dickerson seems like race to the bottom to me. Its terrible. I think its terrible. But i didnt say it he did. Dickerson he won New Hampshire. I think were doing great. I just dont people to do robo calls like an example, i deal with manhattan real estate. These people are babies comped t politics. Robo calls put out. Im leading by a plot as you know. Robo calls put out by we think cruz it was one of his top people. Saying donald trump is not going to be running in South Carolina, vote for ted cruz. Thats a fraud. What i have is because i have a little bit of microphone out there. What i have is im able to explain to people that its a lie. A lot of people couldnt do it. Ben carson wasnt able to do that, they hit him very quickly. Took away a lot of votes. Dickerson your tax returns, when are you going to see them . Were working on it very hard. They will be very good. Dickerson come out after the nominations. Im the first one to put my Financial Statement out. I put out Financial Statement with no extensions, with no anything. I have one the worlds most but i will get it done as soon as i can. Remember this, when i did my financials which are much more important, when i did my financials everybody thought it would take a year to put them out. I put them out in 30 days everybody was very impressed with them. Dickerson the money that you raised what is the status that have . Giving away a lot of it. Much is given away. Dickerson how much . I dont know. I can tell you i dont know. Lot just going from the people that made it directly to the veterans groups. But much of it is millions have been given out already im very proud of it. Dickerson drum, thank you very much. Thank you. Cbs news conducted overnight poll of what republicans and independents to gauge their reaction to the debate. Respondents thought marco rubio was the winner with 32 . Donald trump was in second with 24 . John kasich came in third with 19 support. Ted cruz behind him at 12 . Ben carson at 8 . Jeb bush at 5. Joining us this morning is winner that have debate at least according to our poll. Florida senator marco rubio, what was it like on the stage seemed raucous. It was interesting debate. I think its the smallest stage weve had now with six people. More time for everyone to speak, it happened on the night that Justice Scalia left us and passed away i thought that added some somber seriousness to the beginning of the debate. Then get into some of the differences. When donald and jeb going at it a little bit, jeb and donald and ted a little bit as well it was a little different from the other debates i think. The crowd was pretty involved, too. Dickerson you called senator cruz a liar. Well, hes lying. Obviously in the last couple weeks he has really exhibited this very troubling tendency to say things that arent true, just making things up. This week alone had to pull an ad because it didnt tell the truth about my position about sank could you ware cities. Lied about my position on marriage and planned parenthood. Hes not being honest about previous position on immigration. He tried to portray as some sort these things are being exposed now. Its really a troubling trend. Dickerson what do you think that means in terms of the presidency, though . I think it means someone is willing to say or do anything to win an election. Even if its not true. I think its going to trouble people deeply. We all want to win but you cant just make things up. And if you have a campaign thats willing to do things like what he did to ben carson in iowa, what he apparently is doing here now according to donald trump with robo calls, i dont know. But donald mentioned that. I think it seeks to how you conduct yourself especially in high intensity situations. I think its very troubling. I hope hell stop doing it. Dickerson you are here in the debate and Chris Christie wasnt you had quite an exchange in New Hampshire, the fact that you survived he didnt, what does that mean . Ultimately debate wasnt the reason why chris is not in the race now, hell have to answer that. I like Chris Christie i think he has a future in Public Service beyond being governor of new jersey. I dont think weve heard the any other year Chris Christie would be front runner but we had all these people running, just worked out the way it did. I wish him the best. Dickerson what do you think of john kasichs point that the bickering is going to help hillary. Ultimately. They had pretty intense debate between her and Bernie Sanders as well lets not forget that barack obama and Hillary Clinton said horrible things about each other he ended up winning she ended up working for him. But i would prefer the debates be all about policy. If you watch i never launched these attacks. If im attacked i need to respond that was mistake a made a week ago when i didnt. I should have responded about chris record. You get pummeled for that. I dont like it. But unfortunately 134 times you have to do it because people are saying things that just arent true. Dickerson ask you about replacement to Justice Scalia, what is going to happen there, do you think . The president said hes going to nominate someone. He can nominate someone. The senate is not moving forward on it until after the election. Majority leader already made that clear i agree with that. Established over 08 years in the last year, especially in the last 11 months you do not have lame duck president make lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land. Well have election in november. This vacancy will be an issue, voters will get to weigh in then choose a new president then that new president which i expect will be me, will then be able to nominate someone and work with the senate to confirm. Dickerson dont the voters weigh in when they pick the president in the first place his powers extend until the last day if there were emergency. This is lifetime appointment. Not a law you can reverse, this is not a policy you can undo. Theyre going to be there until they die or leave. That is a very serious thing. So, the president can decide whatever he wants but im just telling you the senate is not moving forward. Dickerson if you were president would you have ha last year moratorium. I would understand, yeah. In fact not just for the Supreme Court theres practice that in the last eight months of the presidency or nine you stop doing Appellate Courts as well. Dickerson if you had if you were pad you had nominee to put forward would there be a litmus test . I god governor bush, conservestives have said justices who are conservative not about your views on thish auto us its very simple. Does the justice that were nominating have consistent and proven record of interpreting the constitution as initially meant. What does society that wrote those words what do those words mean to that society at the time in which those words were written in the constitution. Thats what i want to have out of justice that looks at legislation says, what was the meaning mind this legislation when it was passed by congress. If you dont like the meaning, then theres a practice, constitution provides a process to change the constitution called article v it gives you a process for changing the constitution. Im looking for people that are going to look at the constitution and apply it and interpret it based on the original meaning of the words in politics a little bit. You did well in iowa, less well in New Hampshire. How well do you have to do in South Carolina and when you have column . Going to get into the weeds here on politics early on. Proportional. If you look what happens in New Hampshire, i finished in fifth but same number of delegates as person who finished in fourth and third. Same in iowa. Only one less delegate than person who finished in first. In these proportional states we just want to continue to pick up delegates and do consistently well. Once we get into the win or take all now stakes become much higher. For us i think its continuing to do well in these early states. Get ourselves in the strong delegate position then really give ourselves the opportunity when race is narrowed to do real well. Dickerson is it a onetwo process, in other words, basically best governor bush and kasich to be alternative then take on donald trump . Except if you look at it one of the reason why im the everyone in this race, ive been attacked by ted cruz, attacked by Chris Christie, attacked by jeb bush, i get attacked by everybody. Because i believe our message one that appeals to voters across the Republican Party. So, i think thats why ultimately i am the only one left in this race that can bring this Party Together quickly and then grow the conservative movement. 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Where democrats will hold their primary a week after republicans on february 27th. Our cbs news Battleground Tracker shows Hillary Clinton with a wide lead here over Bernie Sanders at 59 to 40 . Senator sanders joins us now from denver, colorado. Senator, you hear you have quite how do you expect to close the gap between you and secretary clinton . Well, we have thousands of volunteers in South Carolina. Were to knock wrong doors, making phone calls, if you look at that poll, john, what youll see is that we have already made up a significant difference. The gap used to be much larger, momentum is with us were going to do quite well in South Carolina and by the way we are doing very, very well in nevada as well. Dickerson you have a large share if you look inside of the polls you have a large share where voters but having difficulty within African American community. Youve been trying to address that. Talk about what youve been trying to do and if youve been able to make any progress with African American voters . Well, i think we certainly have. We started off way, way behind with the African American community. We have closed that gap, still have a long way to go. Were doing fantastic job for us of people like ben gellous former head of the naacp we have a former state senator from ohio who has been out there. Keith ellison the cochairman of the progressive caucus in the u. S. House we have just great surrogates out there. We are going to speaking in African American communities in the next week and i think youre going to see a lot of momentum for us. We have just a minute left, i want to ask you, what is your path when you look at Going Forward to states after South Carolina, where should those who support you be looking for you to do well . Well, you know, i think we iowa. John, as you may recall, we started off 40 or 50 points behind. New hampshire. And i think were going to right now speaking to you from denver, colorado. Last night we had a rally, close to 0,000 people out at that rally i think were going to do very well here in colorado. I think were going to do well in minnesota. I think you are going to see us doing far better across the board. Dickerson all right, senator hold it right there. Well be back with more from you in a moment. Well take this quick break. Ur p rett. Y noys br. Bu. Roce, canelguid rent s. R ov 7yearvestve r on our disciplined app ind long tere. So wr your tireournkes we celp yoach oals remecialisor yviso. E hoan hmakeostof ytireavin. T. Rowe. Id if you have allergy tion. Get re hingir g inucing rhinocort alspra from takeryrte powe relief froml mpl l inor muddle nre i go one in of. What recing youulta new tanthere it jusdatas biata. Wer teswearnter. Xelievdingthe solu sht ch work. Byeeri wayeopl procand logyto wgeth icrson w. 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You see that movement i think it explains a lot of it. Then also see hes up here with couple of key groups, namely conservatives and evangelicals. His lead with evangel pals has grown over the last month. More certained about as we learned in iowa. That said, those are two key groups, evangelicals make up majority of the electorate here that underpins the support. Dickerson weve been, you and i talking about more months the durability of Donald Trumps its what allows him to survive every time something happens and people think, well this will now hurt him. It sounds like that is only getting more durable. Ted cruz lets talk about him for a moment hes the one trying to make inroads into those groups, evangelicals, conservatives, very conservatives, how is he doing after his showing in iowa . Well, hes got the very conservative here. That is the one subset of conservatives which is up. That follows the pattern out of iowa. Some degree out of New Hampshire. Also you saw even his close statement with you last night where hes tried to reinforce that if you want the real conservative. If you want check the boxes on what conservatives are looking for. Donald trump isnt really competing in that same space. Donald trump is competing more as the person who can fix things. Attacking donald trump, knot having conservative, that hasnt quite taken hold yet here. what about the nondonald trump, nonted cruz lane, some lane, the mainstream candidates, how do they sort out . First of all we saw a bump for john kasich he went from 2 up to 9 here. He actually does particularly well among nonevangelicals and specifically among folks who say they would like the next republican nominee to compromise and negotiate more with democrats to get things done. Of course trouble for him is, thats a minority here. Twothirds say they want somebody to stand up more for democrats. He may be limited. Dickerson theres limited group for kasich in South Carolina, thats important because he needs to do well in say a South Carolina to get a little momentum what about rubio, where do things stand for him . Hes in third with 15 . One of the challenges for him coming out of the last debate before last night and even you saw in our instant poll, being prepared for the presidency. Hes middle of the pack on that. Than jeb bush in that regard. So thats his challenge Going Forward, you can build that up probably build momentum. Dickerson clinton. Sandra ers what does it look like . Still big for Hillary Clinton as you mentioned in your interview with brands. Very clearly the African American vote here is what is underpinning her lead. Now, weve got a different electorate here, African American vote will mac up majority of that democratic vote coming up in two weeks. So, shes up big with them. Bernie sanders is with that vote i see most African Americans say that they feel like they know Hillary Clinton very well. But by comparison very few say that they know Bernie Sanders very well. So you might see that as a challenge for him because hes got to introduce himself. But you also might see that as an opportunity as he mentions in his interview if he can introduce himself. Dickerson are you suggesting her support isnt super durable he could grab some of it . For him. Yet his support is businessed in some of the same things we saw in New Hampshire and in iowa. He beats Hillary Clinton on the honest and trustworthy question. Although here both candidates are seen as honest and trustworthy. And he still wings among young voters and white voters its a question of what the shape of the electorate is here. As you mentioned in his interview as we head south in this race just arent that many states that are friend tee to him if he keeps the same coalition that he had up in New Hampshire. Dickerson anthony salvanto, always a pleasure, thanks for being with us. Well be backwi analysis of last in and outs debate and the stay with us. Dickerson were back. Peg knee noonan is columnist for the wall street street journal. Dan balancing is chief washington correspondent for the washington post. Kim strassel columnist for the wall street journal one of our moderators at last nights debate. Political correspondent and cbs political news analyst. All four of you here we are on the stage where there was so much excitement last night. I dont want anyone calling anyone else a liar. Peggy, give us your reaction, what happened last night . It was lyons and tigers and bears, oh, my, its what happens when a field uncoordinated field of 17 suddenly becomes six men who are really fighting and really want it. There were lots of sparks. To me there were two headlines. One is, donald trump didnt just have controversial or interesting remarks to say on the invasion of iraq. By going into, looking at jeb bush saying your brother lied to get us in there and also he was president during 9 11 and he should have made us safer. Was into code pink territory. Not Democratic Party territory, not moderate republican. But code pink territory. Im not sure how thats going to play. I think we may be hearing a bit about it the next few days. Second thing was, i know many people think that jeb bush seem strong in his sparks moments with donald trump. But i think too much jeb bush falls back on saying hes a 63yearold man who is constantly saying, dont pick on my mom, my dad, my father is the best father in the world. Theres something odd and unbecoming about it. We know he loves them and why thats wonderful. Trump was talking abut serious issues, i think he should have engaged on that. Dickerson what is your take . I agree with what peggy said. This was debate for the ages, you must have felt the heat standing a few feet away. Dickerson i didnt realize i needed sun screen. It was remarkable. I think to peggys point, donald conservative in any stretch of the imagination. And instead of trying to sugar coat that in some way that politician might, he went in the opposite direction last night. In the short term in this state where he has very strong lead may not hurt him. In the longer term as this field narrows it could very well really be a big problem for him. And i also think that the more there was talk about bush and the bush family, peggy said, it is a problem for jeb bush because we know even region the Republican Party for as much affection for the bush familiar low there is resistance to more bushes. I think South Carolina is going to be the test of whether or not donald trump can say or do anything and if voters just keep supporting him. Because it wasnt just iraq. On a lot of Different Things much on imminent domain, on america approach to russia. Whether you reform it, hes to they just accept that. I think it means that there isnt anything he can say or do that will ever turn off his supporters, portion of the republican electorate. The other thing i did like about last night, all of the talk and the conversations an the fights, the lie, lie, lie, there was a lot of good discussion on policy debates up there about taxes, on entitlements, on foreign policy. It was good because there were only six guys up on the stage. I think it was a moment for a lot of voters to see a lot more about these candidates than they ever had. Dickerson what did you take away from it . Emphasize peggys point that this was a real brawl. I grew up watching professional wrestling, reminded nothing so much as cage match between bunch of very able wrestlers. What that said its true that donald trump is much more to the left on number of issues, mainstream conservative would be. But my hunch is that donald trump is not so much speaking to Republican Voters as hes speaking to the broader class of a lot of people agree with donald trump about iraq. Lot of people agree with donald trump about president bushs administration. I have this hunch that much of the same way that Bernie Sanders is in lot of ways not that much different from mainstream democrat but has the sort of the appeal of a not democrat democrat you can still support president obama but not have to put one for democrat. Donald trump is not a republican republican. Lot of american they want change from president obama but dont want to endorse things like the iraq war, donald trump offers an option. Dickerson naps trump does well here is that it, of to the races, its done you . Mentioned once he he gets further how much of a big thing would it be if he won . So much depends on how rapidly the rest of the field winnows as region as you have say kick, rubio, bush, competing, continuing to go on the more difficult it becomes for anybody to stop him. But i was talking to terry manager in the spin room last night, they view, this is a delegate battle as he talked to morning. Also basically a matter of survival. That you just keep going and keep going and eventually others will fall away that when you get into the later stages of this campaign when it is winner take all thats the time when the antitrump faction becomes large enough to carry those states. Dickerson based on the stage they may literally fall away as one of the bushs comes counsel. Ted cruz made the case with donald trump on judges, this is get your take how important he said basically nominate a liberal judge and Pay Attention to that, voters. Does that have resonance . Justice scalias death so up fortunate this is a moment that focuses all conservative minds. As you were sitting there watching last night it made everyone realize how important it was that the republicans had won the senate now have ability nomination it puts the stakes up how important it is going to be to win the white house for them. That was ted cruzs message up on the stage. This is now an issue, this shows you all why were having this debate. Why this is so important and why weve got to win. The question is going to be, whether or not republicans can unite around one of these guys in the end and they do understand those stakes because it does help focus the mind. Dickerson lets switch quickly to Justice Scalia, peggy, what is your sense. Theres a fight now over this, how do you think it plays out . The first thing is, this is an epical moment. In a divided country more or less with a divided court more or less. With a president leaving in ten months. With a major president ial election coming up, what a moment to have the u. S. Senate consider and president consider nominating a replacement for aa way, so much meaning to conservatives in america who took such comfort in his presence on the court. To me, i think my headline is, wow, this Election Year is turning this is like written by allen drury, this is advice or consent 2016. So dramatic. I am one of those who think i would love to see the president hold off on a nominee and say, i understand all the facts here. Lets go forward, youre electing the next president , america, just x months. This nominee will depend on the next president you pick. The court can get along 88 for a long time. Dickerson what do you think about, kim mentioned the role that justices have in the conservative movement. What do you think what role do you think it plays in the democratic race . This is an opportunity for both sanders and Hillary Clinton to emphasize the face of this i think this divide between candidates as sort of obscure the extent to which there are mar ffens between the two parties. President obama yesterday said that he fully intends to nominate someone. I think peggy your dream will that have to ill stay a awake. Shes an optimist. My hunch is that whoever the president nominates is the republicans may not even consider the nominee so were going to have this eight, nine, ten month period where both democrats are really going to be hammering on this fact, using it to say, you know, who wins november determines the future of civil rights. Voting rights of this vast array of major issues. I think this might become the determinative issue of the election and may renoun to Hillary Clintons case on the basis of electability. Role in any of the senate races . There are about five or six republicans in blue states, senators who are up in blue states do you think this matters in those states and there for might matter which Party Controls the senate . I think it very well could. We have seen really since bush v. Gore the notion that the Supreme Court not necessarily an impartial arbiter of american society. The court has been politicized and i think even more so as a result of the death of Justice Scalia. I think we are headed toward a major debate about the role of the court and the significance of having control of the power, the levers that create the next Supreme Court. I think its big not just in the president ial race but also dickerson to add to that i think depending how it shapes out that we may look back at 2014 elections being hugely momentous. Republicans didnt win majority they won comfortable majority, this year then Supreme Court is sort of very open question. Dickerson give me your thoughts on democratic race where things stand now. Bernie sanders is not going quietly into the South Carolina wilderness. Everyone said he doesnt laugh a chance down here, but he came out very strong out of New Hampshire. Hes working very hard to get the minority vote down here. Hes actually was mentioned earlier there are lot of South Carolinaian voters who did not know him. But it is his opportunity and hes not letting that pass. Dickerson jamelle youve been on the ground doing some reporting what have you found . I found that at least in this kind of rough area that people are undecided. That precisely because Bernie Sanders is unknown theres a complicated relationship with Hillary Clinton and clintons in general. The 2008 primary was very divisivea lot of people have been able to walk past that, others are still sort of like apprehensive. Sanders is being given space to i know that the Sanders Campaign has in rural parts of the state this could be under looked. When people think about African Americans tend to think living in urban areas, throhout the south theres lodge populations of rural black americans. And if sanders is organizing in that world then it really does i think change the game. Dickerson Hillary Clinton, peggy, does well when shes up against a wall as the argument shes a fighter now shes in a fight, does that help her . I think the story here might be sanders momentum but i dont know how big a story it is. Mrs. Clinton is winning where we are right now by 15 points, cold to the latest battleground thats a little smaller than what she used to be winning by. We are going to find out now if Bernie Sanders can take a chunk out of her support. Going to figure out how much does she have to win by to look like a victor. Im sure shell work it really i think South Carolina is where mrs. Clinton tries to stop Bernie Sanders momentum. Dickerson last 45 seconds, dan, how nervous are they in clinton camp . Reports of panic then more placid. I talked to four governors on friday all of whom support Hillary Clinton. And i was actually surprised the degree to which they still see her on a path to win the nomination. They know what she got beat badly in New Hampshire, they know that the sanders message has taken hold. They know that she has to make some course corrections but they also believe that as we move farther into the calendar its going to be advantageous for her. I dont know whether theyre being optimistic because they need to be or generally believe that. Dickerson well see how it all turns out thanks to all of you for joining us here. Well be right back. Day r ma aecisthe on t savy. Heed t by shing torcleine toco. Eres me ing ri ridd