Included, and maybe even some smaller cities such as wilmington, which we have seen have some problems with violence, sit on a powder keg just like the one that blew over in baltimore . The short answer to that is the potential exists in all these cities because we have conditions that are similar in all these cities that were discussing. And to be frank, because this is such a somber topic, we are not gonna have enough time to really delve into this. But what were looking at are when you have an intersection of poverty, of fear, of crime, and prevention all the way around. We have the fear on the sides of both the residents, as well as the officers that are supposed to be protecting and serving and doing all of those matters, and the unfortunate incident is, when there is a death in police custody, it sets off a chain of events of fear, a chain of events of past history, of trauma, and traumatic experiences. And through that, we see horrific things that are happening, but what strikes a lot of folks as difficult is that theres so much emphasis on destruction of property, which is horrific, which is unconscionable, but theres also the lack of focus on the loss of life in the hands of Police Officers, which is something that is not necessarily getting all the attention that it needs to get. And that helps to fuel the frustration that helps to undergird a lot of the simmering tensions. I want to give kudos to the Philadelphia Police department because, again, seeing similar protests that are happening here, they were able to handle it without the violence. And i have to say, in some instances, you can kind of feel people are kind of rooting for it. Its in this realitytv culture that we have, like, oh, the dramas gonna be here next. Lets get into the drama. Lets be part of the scene. You know, i think it is. Youre exactly right. And you know, ive been working on this issue most of my career, and lets be frank, it was a big problem. It still remains a problem in philadelphia. But we started seeing big change under commissioner timoney and continued under commissioner ramsey. And a lot of it has to do with leadership, it has to do with training, and it has to do with very effective internal affairs. And commissioner timoney kind of brought that approach with him and commissioner ramsey has continued with it, and i think thats why we didnt see, at least up to now, a violent reaction in our city. And i agree. Let me go to renee, ed here in a second. Let me just show you some of the things that weve already talked about here, but are very important in this discussion. First of all, ramsey did chair that policing task force for president obama, and, also ramsey did ask for the Justice Department to investigate the Police Department and try and find out what may be wrong and what needs to be fixed. What it found the Justice Department report, which came out about a month ago 400 policerelated shootings in 7 years, average of 52 per year since 2007. Annual shootings between 40 to 62 per year, averaging 52. 90 of those shot by police were black and latino, with 56 of the suspects having firearms. The Justice Department did not in any way accuse the Philadelphia Police department of being racist. Correct. But, again, these are some of the things that have been happening in baltimore, as well. And another thing that maybe we should mention both have stopandfrisk policies, which a lot of Community Members just dont like. What do you think, ed . Right now its very interesting to see Hillary Clinton railing against stopandfrisk policies and other policies that were advanced by bill clinton when he was president. His crime bill today is not a good thing. I suppose these are things that are cyclical in some way. People reach a certain saturation point with crime, they cry out for qualityoflife issues to be addressed, theres a response, things get better, and then, over time, people say, we dont need to be doing that anymore. When new york stopped doing stopandfrisk, suddenly gun crimes increased significantly in new york city. So theres a fine balance that has to be reached there, but in some respects, weve got to get even further. And i think nia was talking about this a bit. Theres a gentleman by the name of jeremy nowak, whos the head of the Reinvestment Fund here in philadelphia. Hed done work in baltimore. Hes got a great piece online where its thoughtprovoking. He says, weve got to get to the question of the fabric of civil society. Weve got to really get down to the point to see, where as jim said are the Community Leaders who are going to come together and start forming expectations, but also realities . So that, when you do spend money and when you do have the discussion about, what do we want in terms of the balance between quality of life and pretty much the right to be left alone . Youll have people at the table who really represent a community. Mmhmm. What do you see here, renee . Absolutely. Thats what i wanted to talk about. Bottom line is that were not communicating. Were not talking. The leaders arent talking to the community. The communitys not talking to the leaders. Even all these horrendous things going on nobody has really sat down the way they need to and have different representatives from each part of the community to really talk, to actually communicate, and say, instead of always dealing with the problem emergency lets look at the problem and come up with a solution, but lets all Work Together with that solution. Thats whats really missing. People dont have a seat at the table to talk. Okay, just building on that also, we have to look at how were talking and not waiting until the crisis erupts. Thats what i say. Right . And when the crisis erupts, we need to have leadership. One of the things that hasnt really been focused on in all the coverage is when the faith leaders in baltimore lined up on both sides, and they looked at the police and looked at the community and said, listen, we have to disperse this. But they stepped in to the fray. Why do we have to wait until it gets to this point to have those kinds of conversations . I have to wonder if race is really the overriding issue. Because if you look at baltimore. Its opportunity. The mayor is africanamerican, the District Attorney is africanamerican and the u. S. Attorney general the new one, as well as the last attorney general is africanamerican. The state who is investigating the death of freddie gray but you have the class and the opportunity. And just to build on that, also, we also have systemic issues. Right. Some of the policing tactics that were looking at have been acculturated for decades, right . So even if its a black officer, but they still have the same mindset that has been set there, then theres still a problem. And so we have to really look at how are we dealing with the conventions. What are the underlying issues . And to the point, when youre looking at crime, you have to look at education. And you can look across, and thats what i mean about this tinderbox that exits possibly everywhere. The educational system in baltimore you can look at the educational system in philadelphia. Across the country. Across the country again chicago, l. A. , new orleans i mean, any city, you can look at this. When you have this inequity, what were looking at is the consequence of disinvestment over a long period of time. But wait baltimore, its the fourthhighest perpupil spending in the country. Three years ago, it was secondhighest. But its number four. Its not that theyre not spending money. Theyre spending a lot of money. But were talking about situations where the rate of poverty among the cohort and the number of families without two parents in the household are its so high that this is a concentration of dysfunction that no amount of money is going to fix. Thats where youve got to get into the essence of civil society. Let me talk about freddie gray real quick here. Freddie gray dies. Mmhmm. And it takes several weeks for even a dripdrip process of information to start. Mmhmm. What does that tell you, jim, as a lawyer . [ chuckles ] well, it tells you that the police are trying to be very very careful with what they release. And when they finally do release the fact that it looked like he went for a rough ride, meaning a common practice and ive investigated cases like this from the Justice Department 20 years ago with handcuffed suspects put in the back of a paddy wagon and driven at high excessive speeds and bounce em around a little bit. Thats a common practice. It shouldnt happen. And that comes from leadership. Mmhmm. So, what jim is saying, though, this has been going on okay, for years, and people really have not focused on it, have not been proactive, just reactive like youre alluding to, when its a crisis. So what does that say . That we have to really look at policies and procedures, how people are going about things, how theyre treating human beings period. Correct. How theyre treating human beings. I also think that the case may be more complex than street justice will allow. And i do think that elected leadership in baltimore is grappling with how to lay out a case that may not be quite as simple as, the cops broke his neck. And easily received by thats the point. And you can just tell from the way in which the mayor of baltimore has spoken very bluntly, then tried to say, no, no, no, i didnt say that we were gonna give people room to destroy. Well, actually, yes, you did say that. Now, you may not have meant it. Or you didnt want it to come out quite the way it did. One of the things ive found over the years with juries prosecuting Police Officers from their brutality cases, a lot of times, the victims had been jerks. Mmhmm. A lot of times. Yes. And a lot of times, a defense attorney will effectively argue to a jury, this guy kind of deserved this. And the conviction rate in federal criminal prosecutions for Police Officers is way lower than any other federal crime. Let me ask you this, renee. We have six people who would like to replace mayor nutter at city hall. Which one of those would you want in city hall if, god forbid, Something Like baltimore happened here . Which one of these can and all of them are pretty much against continuing stopandfrisk by the way, which is popular with mayor nutter. What do you think about that . I think that, looking at Lynne Abraham and her experience, looking at senator williams and his experience, and also looking at some of the things jim kenney says, i think its a combination for me. I cant say, this one, that one. I will look at a combination of things that theyre saying, but that one person needs to look at all those things that the three of them have been saying and really try to pull this thing together. I think, one, its a lack of experience with everybody cause no one really had to deal with this lets be honest. So everybodys shooting from the hip. No one can prepare for that. No, you cant prepare. Its onthejob training. It is everybodys shooting from the hip. But they should take advantage of it now and start looking and understanding what needs to happen and put something in place. If you listen to the candidates, nia, it looks like stopandfrisk is going to end in philadelphia. What do you think of that . To a degree, it may end in philadelphia, but i believe that there will be policies that will be put in place to try to achieve the same goals. So were really talking about reforming how it is that we deal with policing. Community policing is something that has worked, continues to work. It does require investment, and, again, it gets down to choices like all budgets get down to choices and decisions. And that has to be something, as a wider community, were all invested in. I mean, on social media, there were people talking about freddie gray and probably almost as many people talking about the eagles draft. You know, talking about the election, over the years, some have criticized Lynne Abraham for not aggressively prosecuting police misconduct, and i think thats gonna be an issue shes gonna have to address in the closing weeks of the campaign. Could we change the way we do that, prosecuting police . You can change anything, as far as im concerned. How would we do that . Wed have to you have to build those dialogues. Again, were talking about communication the communication, and in the case of baltimore, from the leadership to the people, from the police to the people. Even the crips and the bloods were tweeting their stories, you know . So everyone has their own narrative. We have to have a collective narrative and basically buy into this and set the values and say, this is what we will agree to. This is what we are going to put in place. And i think that can be done. And you get people to buy into it if everybodys involved. That is correct. If you just have a little group of folks that make the decisions, its not gonna work. Thats part of the problem. Yes. I dont know that any of the mayoral candidates have disqualified themselves in any way, so i think that its fair game for all of them to opine on this. And i dont think any one of them youd say, no, no, it cant be you. But that having been said, lets just jump for a moment to a hardcore question that i think everyone should answer. As you said a moment ago, the mayor couldnt possibly expect to find herself in this situation where shed have to make the call she did. A bit of wisdom from the iraq war to keep in mind leave aside whether we shouldve gone in. After we did, there were two mistakes that we made that turned out to be consequential in a bad way. The first is looting was allowed on the theory that people were frustrated, and if you were going to try to stop it, youd actually have more problems. Second, we disbanded the iraqi military. So there was no order in the streets. If the mayor indeed did say, look, let some of this looting happen itll be cheaper in the long run to replace whatevers lost than to push back against it, and as police are saying in Baltimore Police sources are saying they werent allowed to wear the full body armor, it was too intimidating, they were told to stand back theyre worried about what happened in ferguson. If that was the case, that turns out to be some pretty bad judgement. And thats something that has to be discussed because, as weve all suggested here, were not gonna fix the underlying causes tomorrow. Every once in awhile, this problems going to come back and people need to understand that were not going to allow the culture to descend into the state of nature, where life is cruel, brutish, and short. We need to take a break, and well be back with more inside story. Inside story is presented by temple university. Temple fuels students with academics and opportunities to take charge. 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You see all the candidates there for the democratic nomination. Melissa murray bailey, of course, is unopposed for the republican nomination. I guess the really only main development, other than all the debates that theyve been having, is that Lynne Abraham started running ads, and shes focusing on education. Mmhmm. So some people thought that was kind of odd because of her history as District Attorney. Well, she has to focus on the issue thats on i mean, thats most prevalent on the minds of most voters. And whether youre talking about grandparents, parents, or wouldbe parents the millenials education is permeating the discussion across the board. But as you talk about this election, it really is getting down to the wire because were running out of time. And people are still thinking, uh, this undecided guy sounds really good. Im thinking undecided. But its gonna be a turnout election. Whoever turns them out is going to be the democratic nominee and its between, for me, kenney and williams. Thats what you see right now. Thats what most people are saying. Thats absolutely correct. Going to your point, when i first saw lynnes ad, i thought, education has that really been her issue . But then, first of all, its running a lot, and its the same message, which ad people will tell you, in politics, it is very effective. And people see it on action news, its running at prime time when people are really tuning in, and its the same message, and she looks good in the ad. Yes, she does. And i think its a very effective ad. I think its very powerful, and because she understands that education is important, and thats why shes doing it, and it makes a difference. If you keep seeing and hearing something over and over again, of course youre gonna say wow, this is somebody i didnt think would be even interested in education. So it makes a difference, but its gonna be a tight race, as far as im concerned. It depends on turnout, like you guys are saying. Whoever can turn out the people they got to get their street folks out there, and i think its really between williams and kenney, to be honest. Well, but the abraham ad, theres no need for her to burnish her lawenforcement credentials. Everybody knows what they are. Already has them, yeah. Theyre stellar. So to do this i agree with jim. I think this was its a welldone ad. I do, too. She looks good. Shes got a very authoritative presence. And i actually think theres warmth that comes through. And i like the fact that she throws in at the end philadelphia is underfunded well try to change that in harrisburg, and if not, ill sue them, reminding people that im a tough lawyer. Im aggressive. But how long would that take to ever resolve a case like that . But you know what . Nobody cares about that. Its all about the sexy. She made this statement, so they liked that. The bottom line is lynne could be a spoiler in this race. Now lets talk about polling real quick, because there really isnt any independent polling going on with this race because its a city race. And then each candidate gets their own poll, and theyre like, oh, my goodness, ive just found out that im the frontrunner. [ laughter ]. Which is what happened with jim kenney recently. Is there a certain dynamic here where its kind of like people really dont know who the frontrunner is because you never see any of these polls come out on action news saying, hey, look, this is the frontrunner right now, 30 ahead of everyone else . Thats not actually a bad thing. So i mean, it allows people to sort of make up their own mind as opposed to being dictated to, to say, this is the person, and this is the eventual winner. And youre right. I mean, Lynne Abraham, before jim kenney, has said, oh, yes i have a poll, and im winning. And its like, well, okay, but who paid for that poll again . Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, wow you got your moneys worth. At the end of the day again i cant stress this enough its going to be turnout. Whoever can turn out those wards, whoever can turn out those folks, thats going to be the person thats gonna take the banner. However, unlike in the past, depending on who the eventual winner is, theres a high anticipation that were gonna have an independent challenger come the fall. We could, yeah, so it may not be over. Big possibility. Could be you. I dont know. Well, i dont know about that. [ laughter ] the league of women voters will be hosting a live Mayoral Debate right here in our 6abcs studios. Takes place tuesday at 7 00 p. M. On 6abc. Well stream it on 6abc. Com. You can tweet us questions with 6abcaction, or you can email us at jointheaction 6abc. Com. Governor wolf has been in office for 103 days now. What do you think . How exciting. [ laughter ] pennlive actually gave him some good marks. He passed gift bans right away he has a diverse cabinet, he put together a budget that still hasnt been passed yet its a process still going on and he put a moratorium on the death penalty. Lowhanging fruit he got the lowhanging fruit, so now its the tough stuff. I mean, we know this is budget season, and this is harrisburg. This is going to be a slough for months and months until we get up into probably the end of june. I dont see this being a complete ontime budget. I could be wrong. But i think hes trying to work some relationships and deals. There have been a lot of prickly feelings, so to speak, in how hes approached things early on. Thats not going to help him in this process. I think the 100 days thing is cute, but its arbitrary. But it hasnt been prickly on his part. No, doesnt to be his part. What is your take . My take on it at this point in his administration is, whats the tone that hes set . And in my opinion, hes been the adult in the room. He hasnt provoked anybody. He hasnt attacked anybody. Hes been reasonable. Hes set out reasonable positions. I know that some people are gonna disagree with you. Hes willing to compromise. Im waiting for my turn. I think hes off to a great start. Real quick, renee. Im just saying that hes got some issues. Hes gotten people very upset. Hes done some things i mean, the republican party, some of them are suing him along with this whole openrecords thing. Come on, now, jim. He has been prickly. Theyre republicans. Please, thats not the issue. And hes a democrat. Thats right. Bottom line is hes really not working and being transparent as he said he would be. All right, get your inside stories of the week. Well be right back with them. Make them good. Well be back. A part of what standardized tests dont measure, very frankly they dont measure the diligence, the potential passion of a student. So its really a measure of how adept you are to working out a problem quickly. But what if youre brilliant and it might take you twenty minutes, but you can figure out something if you were just given time to do it and show real brilliance. Is that a real measure of ability and intelligence . What you can do in one minute on a problem . Get out of here. Inside story is presented by temple university. Temple fuels students with academics and opportunities to take charge. Plugged in to the city, powered by the world. Temple. Edu takecharge. Inside stories of the week we start with nia. Weve been focusing on what was going on baltimore, and one of the beef points has been how the Media Coverage has been. Well, were 30 years after the m. O. V. E. Incident happened here in philadelphia, and so on may 14th, the Philadelphia Association of black journalists is going to do a forum really focusing on Media Coverage of issues like this and the types of things that you can learn. You can go to phillyabj. Org to get the details. Thanks, nia. Ed. So, a week ago friday, before baltimore blew up, dwight evans was doing something in the northwest section of the city hes been doing for more than 30 years. He brought educational leaders institutions, principals together to talk about education, but also Economic Opportunity and how to attract business to raise the quality of life and create a better civic space. Thats the way you deal with this problem. Thank, ed. Jim. Matt, a lot of heavy topics today, so something a little lighter raised my family in Chestnut Hill. Todays the Chestnut Hill spring festival. Its a wonderful event. Its gonna be a beautiful day. People should head out there and have some fun. Thanks, jim. Renee. Mine is heavy, matt. Bottom line risa ferman seth williams, tom hogan, and jack whelan all d. A. S came up with a report dubbed you pay us later, guys. And that means that were putting more money into putting people in prison and all those type of things prosecuting versus putting it in education. If you put it in education, it will help. Okay. And we didnt even get to talk about the eagles draft picks. Darn. Mm. I dont know. [ laughter ] you know me with, i dont care. Okay. Well, youll care if the eagles start off 06, and everyones gonna be upset about that. I dont think thats gonna happen, though. Thats inside story for this week. Thanks to our panelists. Thanks to you for watching. Im matt odonnell, and ill see you monday morning on action news. Sphwhrr im nydia han along with eva pilgrim. Coming up next on action news, a mother and her child are hospitalized after a daring escape from their burning home. A wrapping a wrap up of the blue cross broad street run is next. Hopefully you have outdoor placebos, its a summerlike sunday find out how long the warm whrp lasts in the exclusive accuweather sevenday forecast. 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