Transcripts For WLOS ABC News The New Hampshire Republican Debate 20160207

The debate is just minutes away. Were here to break down the action tonight. Matt dowd, i want to begin with you. Donald trump tweeting again, he said, so many things to say, so much at stake. Especially for donald trump. He saw the lead evaporate in iowa after skipping the debate. He cant afford that again. The surprise wasnt that he tweeted. The surprise is that he didnt attack somebody in the tweet that came in. Im amazed about the tone of that tweet. He seems more excited about this debate than any other. I think this debate for donald trump its pivotal for everybody. Its crucial for everybody. I think donald trump has the most to lose. He comes into this debate tonight having been ahead in 70 straight polls in New Hampshire since july. And if he comes out of here and doesnt do well tonight and loses on tuesday night, its very hard to put that back together after two losses. Hard to see how he can go forward. Marco rubio has the momentum, jon karl, and that means hes going to be the big target tonight. I think this is rubios hes not the frontrunner. Thats clearly trump. But rubio is the hottest candidate in this race right now. He has zoomed to the fastest rising, second place in New Hampshire, and that means he is the biggest target. And i think the harshest attacks may come from the guy right next to him, jeb bush. Lindsey graham said, if jeb bush gets at him tonight, marco rubio is toast. Big swings at the last minute here in New Hampshire. A third of the voters here say they could make their minds up in the next couple of days. And go to either primary. The saturday before the tuesday primary in 1980, Ronald Reagan came into his debate with his internal polls showing him 21 points behind george bush, who had just won iowa. They had a very contentious debate that night. Where reagan famously said, i am paying for this microphone. And from there on, he took off and won New Hampshire by more minute. The debate is just minutes away. Well be right back. Abc news live conch of the New Hampshire Republican Debate will continue in a moment. I take pictures of sunrises. Its my job and its also my passion. But with my back pain i couldnt sleep. So i couldnt get up in time. Then i found aleve pm. Aleve pm is theonly one to combine a safe sleep aidplus the 12hour pain relievingstrength of aleve. And now. Im back. Aleve pm fora better am. Jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive hey, need fast heartburn relief . Try cool mint zantac. It releases a cooling sensation in your mouth and throat. Zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. Nexium can take 24 hours. Tt2w`tiy t bt q u tt2w`tiy t a q0y tt2w`tiy t bm q;r tt4w`tiy t dztq l< plants versus zombies on my iphone. What questions will david muir be asking at the hp hn debate . I call my mom for advice. Im ready. I take these hundreds of pieces of paper. They have all the advice that people have given me and light them on fire. I try to talk to every single voter in New Hampshire. Get those teleprompters out of here. Were going to have some fun. Candidates going through some of their pregame prep with the independent journal review. Im here with bill crystal, editor of the weekly standard. Donna brazile, former Campaign Manager for al gore. Above all, donald trump. The man that was not there in iowa. Remember this, some of us thought, its probably a mistake not to show up a couple of days, in the state, before the caucus. And oh, no, trump has changed all the rules of the game. Hes decided its a good idea to show up. Theres a lot of pressure on him now. Hes never had that kind of pressure on him. On the democratic side, donna, the two democrats, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton really going at it. Bernies got a doubledigit lead here. They set the themes for what could be a Long Campaign going forward. Theres no question. Senator sanders is not just what i call the next door neighbor. Hes the favorite son of progressives and liberals in this state. Hillary clinton knows she has to close the gap with young people. Shes out there with one message to young people, and that is, im going to fight for you, im going to stand up for you. We are expecting a big turnout on tuesday. Matthew dowd, seven candidates up on that stage three, maybe four will be viable candidates after this primary here on tuesday. I think theres four tickets out of this debate tonight and out of New Hampshire and the voting goes forward as it goes forward. I think the one person, also to watch in this, is john kasich. John kasich has put all of his chips on the table here in New Hampshire. Hes done 100 town halls. And i think you see, and you through . And there is a possibility, if john kasich does well tonight, that he breaks into the top three and gets a ticket out. Democrats. Today, he said, i should be running in the democratic primary. Because he sees so many people say, im a democrat, but youre the one republic i can support. And actually, in New Hampshire, you can. Independents can vote in the republican primary. Democrats, it has to be an dependent on the day coming in, not a democrat, but he is hoping they can come out for him on tuesday. Debates just a second away. Well be right back. Abc news live coverage of moment. Theres a voice of a daredevil in all of us. That urges us to shake things up, to turn up the heat, and take bigger risks. Why should damaged hair silence that voice . New dove regenerative nourishment with red algae complex in a formula that nourishes to regenerate extremely damaged hair. For smooth, strong and healthy looking hair as if damaged never happened. New dove regenerative nourishment. Ugh heartburn no one burns on my watch try alkaseltzer heartburn reliefchews. They work fast and dont taste chalky. Mmm. Amazing. 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Because were not in it. Lindsey graham and john mccain gave it their best. Now its time for the seven candidates on the stage. Lets send it to Martha Raddatz and david muir. Take it away, guys. Thank you, george. And welcome to you at home and our audience of more than 1,000. More martha and i, along with wmrt are honored to be here. The candidates are all here and the New Hampshire Republican Debate starts now. The time is here. Its make or break. Starting now. The republicans debate. Manchester, New Hampshire. David muir and Martha Raddatz. Everyone. This is the First Time Since iowa and the only time before the New Hampshire primary that the republican candidates will each other. The people of iowa have been heard. Now its New Hampshires turn. In just three days, voters here will decide who they think should be the republican nominee for president. Questions of leadership and character have dominated the news ever since the Iowa Caucuses a few days ago. Here with us to question the candidates this evening, josh mckelvin from wmur here in manchester, and author and commentator Mary Katherine hamm. Lets welcome the candidates for the republican nomination for president. New jersey governor Chris Christie. Texas senator ted cruz. Businessman donald trump. Florida senator marco rubio. Former florida governor, jeb bush. And Ohio Governor john kasich. Ladies and gentlemen, the republican candidates. And dr. Ben carson, please come out on the stage. Hes standing there, as well. Dr. Carson. And donald trump. And lastly, we welcome back trump. I can sbointroduce kasich . Yes, yes, were going to introduce Ohio Governor john kasich. The applause so loud here in the hall. The applause you couldnt hear, we couldnt hear, either. Thats a good sign for the excitement this evening. Gentlemen, thank you for being here tonight, just days before voters here in New Hampshire make their decisions. The rules are simple. And have been agreed to by all the campaigns. There will be 60 seconds to answer and if another candidate is mentioned in that answer, that candidate will have 30 seconds to respond. There are green, yellow and red lights that each candidate will see to signal when time is up sound. So, lets get started. We welcome you a a to the debate stage here tonight. Were going to tackle the issues americans are most concerned about, the economy, isis, homeland security. And here in New Hampshire, some of the most heated rhetoric yet over who is best suited to step in on day one, who has the experience, who has the temperament to be commander in chief. Mr. Trump, senator cruz has said about you right here in New Hampshire this week, quote, i dont know anyone who would be comfortable with someone who behaves this way, having his finger on the button. Were liable to wake up one morning, and if he were president , he would nuke denmark. Saying thats temperament to keep this country safe. I think i have the best temperament. I built a massive corporation. I employ thousands and thousands of people. Ive gotten along with people for years and years, have tremendous relationships with many people, including and no matter how you cut it, when i came out, i hit immigration, i hit it very hard. Everybody says, oh, the temperament, because i talked about illegal immigration. Now, everybodys coming to me, theyre all trying to say, well, hes right, we have to come to him. I hit other things. I talked about muslims. We have a problem. Nobody else wanted to mention the problem. I brought it up. I took a lot of heat. We have to have a temporary something, because theres something going on thats not good. And remember this, im the only one up here, when the war in iraq i was the one that said, dont go, dont do it, youre going to destabilize the middle east. Im not one with the trigger. Im not one with the trigger. Other people up here, believe me, would be a lot faster. But ill build the mill arbitrary stronger, bigger, better, and nobody is going to mess with us. That, i can tell you. Mr. Trump, thank you. I want to bring this to senator cruz then. You did said of trumps behavior, thats not the tempt program of a leader to keep this why not . Well, the assessment the voters are making here, they are evaluating each and every one of us. They are looking to our experience. They are looking to our knowledge. They are looking to our temperament and judgment. They are looking to our clarity of vision and our strength of resolve. The world is getting much more dangerous. Weve had seven years with barack obama in the oval office, a commander in chief that is unwilling even to acknowledge the enemy were facing. This is a president who, in the wake of paris, in the wake of san bernardino, will not even use the word radal islamic terrorism, much less focus on defeating the enemy. I am convinced, every individual standing on this stage, would make a much better commander in chief than barack obama or Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. And the primary voters are making the assessment for each of us, who is best prepared to keep this country safe, to our navy, our air force, our army, our marines, and to ensure that we keep america safe. Senator cruz, i did ask about mr. Trum. You said he doesnt have the temperament. Do you stand by those words . I think that is an assessment the voters are going to make. They are going to assess who is levelheaded. Who has clear vision. Who has judgment. Who can confront our enemies, who can confront the threats we face in this country. And who can have the judgment when to engage and when not to engage, both are incredibly important for a commander in chief, knowing how to go after our enemies. In the case of iran, for example, who has the clarity of vision to understand that the ayatollah, when he chants death to america, he means it. We need a president with the judgment and resolve to keep this country safe. Senator cruz, thank you. Were going to continue on this notion of readiness i have to respond. If you would like to. But if you noticed, he didnt answer your question. And thats whats going to happen its okay. Thats whats going to happen with our enemies and the people we compete against. Were going to win with trump. Were going to win. We dont win anymore. Our country doesnt win anymore. Were going to win with trump. And people back down with trump. And thats what i like and thats what the country is going to like. Mr. Trump, thank you. And were going to continue on this notion of readiness and on experience, but i want to ask about a headline that was back in the papers again this morning. Dr. Carson, on the day of the Iowa Caucuses, the Cruz Campaign sentous messages saying dr. Ben carson will be planning to suspend his Campaign Following tonights caucuses. Please inform any carson caucusgoers of this news. As we can all see, you are Still Standing here tonight. Late this week, your campaign sent this email, quote, this kind of deceitful behavior is why the American People dont if senator cruz does not act, then he clearly represents d. C. Values. What kind of action do you think senator cruz should take . Well, you know, when i wasnt introduced number two, as was the plan, i thought maybe he thought i already had dropped out, but but you know, today is the 105th anniversary, or 105th birthday of Ronald Reagan. His 11th commandment was not to speak ill of another republican, so, im not going to use this opportunity to savage the reputation of senator cruz. But i will say i will say i will say that i was very disappointed that members of his team thought so little of me that they thought that after having hundreds, if not College Students who sacrificed their time and were dedicated to the cause, one even died, to think that i would just walk away ten minutes before the caucus and say, forget about you guys i mean, who would do Something Like that . I dont think anyone on this stage would do Something Like that. And to assume that someone would would, what does that tell you . So, unfortunately, it did happen. It gives us a very good example of certain types of washington ethics. Washington ethics, basically says, if its legal, you do what you need to do in order to win. Thats not my ethics. My ethics is, you do whats right. Senator cruz dr. Carson, thank you. Senator cruz, you have said that dr. Carson and his wife have become friends of yours. Im curious why you didnt call doctor or his wife or had your Campaign Check in before sending out those messages. Ben is a good and honorable man and ben and candy have become friends. He has an amazing life story that has inspired millions including me. When this transpired, i apologized to him then and i do so now, ben, im sorry. Let me tell you the facts of what occurred for those who are interested in knowing. On monday night, about 6 30 p. M. , cnn reported that ben was not going from iowa to New Hampshire or South Carolina, rather, he was, quote, taking a break from campaigning. They reported that on television television, cnns political anchors, jake tapper and dana bash and wolf blitzer said it was highly unusual and highly significant. My Political Team saw cnns report breaking news and they forwarded that news to our volunteers, it was being covered on live television. Caucuses, i was getting ready to speak at the caucuses just like ben was, just like everyone else was. I knew nothing about this. A couple hours later, i was told that ben was unhappy. I called him that evening because i respect him very, very highly. I didnt reach him that evening. I reached him the next day and apologized. He asked me then, he said, ted, would you make this apologize in public. I said, yes, i will. And i did so. I regret that subsequently, cnn reported on that, they didnt correct that story until 9 15 that night, so, from 6 30 p. M. To 9 15, thats what cnn was reporting. Subsequent to that initial report, bens campaign put out a statement saying that he was not suspending his campaign, i wish that our Campaign Staff had forwarded that statement, they were unaware of it, i wish that they had, thats why i apologized. Senator cruz, thank you. Were going to move on here. Back to the issues since i was mentioned dr. Carson this is great. When you Say Something. In fact the timeline indicates that initial followed by another one within one minute that clarified that i was not dropping out, so, what happened to that one, it is unclear. But the bottom line is, we can see what happened, everybody can see what happened and you can make your own judgment. Dr. Carson, thank you. Thank you, doctor. Senator rubio. I want to stay on the issue of readiness to be president and experience and questions about you being a firstterm senator. Governor christie warning voters here in New Hampshire against voting for another firstterm senator as america did with barack obama in 2008. Arguing that you are, quote, not ready to be president of the United States. And senator santorum, who we all know, dropped out of the race and endorsed you, had a hard time when asked on National Accomplishments as senator. Tonight, what are your accomplishments in the senate that demonstrate you are ready to be president of the United States . From protecting the people of florida, to bringing accountability to the v. A. , to the girls count act, to sanctioning groups, im proud of my work. I will say, if politics becomes and the presidency becomes about electing people that have been in the senate the longest, we should all rally around joe biden. Hes been around 1,000 years. I dont think any of us believe joe biden should be president of the United States. And lets dispel once and for all with this fiction that hes doing. He knows exactly what hes doing. Barack obama is undertaking an effort to change this country, to make america more like the rest of the world. Thats why he passed obama care with iran. America. When im president of the United States, we are going to reembrace all the things that in the world, and we are going to leave our children with what they deserve, the single greatest nation in the history of the world. Senator rubio, thank you. I do want to ask governor christie, you said, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. You heard senator rubio make the case that he has the experience. Your response . Sure. First, lets remember something. Every morning when a United States senator wakes up, they think about what kind of speech can i give, or what kind of bill can i drop . Every morning, when i wake up, i think about, what kind of problem do i need to solve for the people who actually elected me . Its a different experience. Its a much different experience. And the fact is, marco, you shouldnt compare yourself to joe biden. And you shouldnt say thats what were doing. Here is exactly what were doing. You have not be involved in a consequential decision where you had to be held accountable. You just simply havent. When you talk about hezbollah sanctions act that you list as one of your accomplishments, you werent even there to vote for it. Thats not leadership. Thats truancy. The fact is that what we need to do, what we need to do in this country is not to make the same mistake we made eight years ago. It does matter when the challenges dont come on a list of a piece of paper of what to vote yes or no every day. When the problems come in from the people that you serve, i like marco rubio and hes a smart person and a good guy, but he simply does not have the experience to be president of the United States and make these decisions. Weve watched it happen, everybody. For the last seven years, the people of New Hampshire are smart. Do not make the same mistake again. Thank you. Senator rubio . I think the experience is not just what you did, but how it worked out. Under Chris Christies governorship of new jersey, they have been downgraded nine times in their credit rating. We dont need to add to it. But i would add this. Lets dispel with this fiction that barack obama doesnt know what hes doing. He knows exactly what hes doing. He is trying to change this country. He wants america to become more like the rest of the world. We dont want to be like the rest of the world. We want to be the United States of america. And when im elected president , this will become once again, the single greatest nation in the history of the world, not the disaster barack obama has imposed upon us. Senator rubio, thank you. I want to bring in governor bush on this. Excuse me if you would there. I get a chance to respond. You see, everybody, i want the people at home to think about this. This is what washington, d. C. Does. The driveby shot at the beginning with incorrect and incomplete information and then the memorized 25second speech that is exactly what his advisers gave him. See marco marco, the thing is this. When youre president of the governor of a state, that memorized speech doesnt solve one problem for one person. They expect you to plow the snow. They expect you to get the schools open. And when the worst Natural Disaster in your States History hits you, they expect you to rebuild their state, which is what ive done. None of that stuff happens on the floor of the United States senate. Its a fine job, im glad you ran for it, but it does not prepare you for president of the United States. Senator rubio . Chris chris, your state got hit by a massive snowstorm two weeks ago. You didnt even want to go back. They had to shake you into going back. You stayed there for 36 hours and then he left and came back to campaign. Heres the bottom line. This notion that barack obama doesnt know what hes doing there it is. There it is. The memorized 25second speech. Thats the reason why this campaign is so important. Because i think this notion i think this is an important point. We have to understand what were going through here. Doing. He knows what he is doing. Thats why hes done the things hes done. Thats why we have a president that passed obama care and the stimulus, all this damage that hes done to america is deliberate. This is a president thats trying to redefine this country. Thats why this election is truly a referendum on our identity as a nation, as a people. Our future is at stake. This election is not about the past. It is about what kind of country this is going to be in the 21st century and if we exelectlect someone like barack obama, Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton, our childrens are going to be the first to inherit a diminishes country marco the shame is that you would actually criticize somebody for showing up to work, plowing the streets, getting the trains running back on time when you are never been responsible for that in your entire life. He didnt want to go back. And the fact is, i went back, it got done and heres you didnt want to go back, chris. One of the skills you get as a United States senator esp also . I dont think it is. You said you werent going to go back. He told everyone he wasnt going to go back. They had to shame him into going back. And when he decided to go back, he criticized the young lady, say saying, what am i supposed to do, clean it up with a mop . It gets very unruly when he gets off his talking points. Thank you, governor. Its your record. Its not a talking point. Governor bush, ill mention your name so you can come in on this. I really do appreciate it. I want to bring you in on this, because you made this central to your campaign right here in New Hampshire in the last couple of days, but four years ago, you said of senator rubio, he was ready to be Vice President , you spoke of his experience, as well. You said he has the fortitude to be a good president. But just this week, you said senator rubio accomplished, quote, nothing in the senate. How do you square the two . Well, first of all, he said the exact same thing about me, that i would make a great Vice President ial nominee when mythitt romney was considering. I think we were both right at somebody else. So, lets move onto the 2016 race. Who has the leadership skills who has the leadership skills to lead . And im proud of the fact that i have 12 medal of honor resimilar yents, 30 who believe in me. We cut taxes in the state of florida and reduced government. I took on very powerful interests, fought for my beliefs, implemented them. We had eight hurricanes and four tropical storms in 16 months. The whole state was turned upside down. It required a steady hand. Leadership. You learn this. You learn it by doing it. Its not something that you just show up on the job doing. Its not to same lets be clear. Marco rubio is a gifted, gifted politician. And he may have the skills to be a president of the United States. But weve tried it the old way elegance and we got someone who wants to divide the country up. The next president is going to have to forge consensus to bring about a set of common purposes so we can move forward again. Were going to continue with leadership now, and senator cruz, you are a firstterm senator, as well. Your opponents say you, like senator rubio, are not prepared to be commander in chief. You have talked tough about threats we face in the middle east. It was reported just moments ago that the North Koreans test launched an intercontinental ballistic missile. North korea has Nuclear Weapons and conducted another nuclear test just last month. The missile that was launched is the kind the North Koreans hope could some day carry a Nuclear Weapon capable of reaching the United States. How would you respond if commander in chief to that launch . Well, i would note initially the fact that were seeing the launch from a Nuclear North Korea is the direct result of the failures of the first Clinton Administration. The Clinton Administration led the world in relaxing sanctions against north korea, billions of dollars flowed into north korea, in exchange for promises not to build Nuclear Weapons. They took those billions and built Nuclear Weapons. And i would note, also, the lead negotiator in that failed north korea sanctions deal was a woman named wendy sherman, who barack obama and Hillary Clinton recruited to come back to be the lead negotiator with iran, so, what we are seeing with north korea is foreshadowing of where we will be with iran. With respect to north korea and what we should do now, one of the first things we should do is expand our Missile Defense capacity. We ought to put Missile Defense in south korea. One of the real risks of this launch, north korea wants to launch a satellite. One of the greatest risks of the satellite, they would place a Nuclear Device in the satellite as it got over the United States, it would set off what is called an emp, an electron magnetic pulse. That would take down the entire electrical grid of the eastern seaboard. We need to harden the grid to defend ourselves and we need Missile Defense to protect ourselves against north korea. Well, let me ask you this. If you were commander in chief, tonight, would you have ordered the u. S. Military to destroy that missile preemptively, on the launch pad, to prevent north korea from becoming an even graver threat . At this point, im not going to speculate on that without the intelligence briefing that any commander in chief would have, knowing exactly what is there. One of the real problems let me tell you this. You have talked tough about mideast. You havent gotten the Intelligence Briefings about that. Why wouldnt you preemptively streak a missile on an launch pad i have gotten the many years. I havent gotten the briefing tonight on what north corey is hampshire. And when you are responding to an immediate incident, you need to know the untell jens ofintelligence of what is occurring. It is different, dealing with a weapons. It is why you prevent them from getting them in the first place. Because your hands are somewhat tied once they have nukes. Its why this Iranian Nuclear deal is so catastrophic and its why i pledged on the very first day in office to rip to shreds this Iranian Nuclear deal, so were not sitting here in five years, wondering what to do about an iranian Missile Launch when they have Nuclear Weapons, the stakes are too high for that. Okay. Senator cruz, i will say that missile has been sitting there for quite some time and they have had eyes on it. Just to clarify on that point, because hes right. It is standard procedure of the United States to shoot down those missiles once launched if they senator rubio, im talking i understand. But it is important to note that it is, and senator cruz, i think, was alluding to this, as well, it is the standard procedure of the United States, if those missiles pose a threat to land, civilians, allies or any of our assets to shoot down that missile. I understand your question was about a preemptive strike, but my point is, there is in place now a contingency to avoid that strike from going errant and destroying any assets of the United States or implicating or hurting any of our allies or any of our assets in the region. Thank you, senator rubio. Governor kasich, how would you respond to tonights launch . Well, we have to step up the pressure. And i have to say, after being here, every one of my 100 town Hall Meetings in New Hampshire were a lot more fun than what i saw here today, were so much more positive. Look, in terms of north korea, martha, we have to make sure that we intercept both the ships and their aircraft, because what theyre trying to do is to material, along with the technology, the instruments that can be used for mass destruction. Thats what i worry about the most, frankly, is nonstate actors, people who dont have a uniform, people dont have a country, who can spread this, who are not subject to the to the mutual assured defense. In other words, you strike us, we strike you. Some of these radicals, they dont care about that. pthats whati worry bout, for my children, and for their children, going forward. So, we have to be very tough and we should tell the chinese, look, if you are not going to do this, ballistic Missile Defense to the koreans, to japan, and we should impose the sanctions on north korea that we imposed on iran. Receive money. We have to be tough on this. And i think we could have i think we could have let the japanese know that if you want to take action on that missile that is rising, you want to take action you will have our support, if thats what you we cannot continue to be weak in the face of the north the rest of the world. Thank you, governor. I will get to new a moment. The Obama Administration comes upp with the great marketing terms. What they do is pull back. And voids are filled. States on the run. The next president of the United States is going have to get the United States back in the game and if a preemptive strike is necessary to keep us safe, then we should do it. Thank you, governor bush. Mr. Trump. Do you have a red line with north korea . Would you consider military action and how far would you let them go . Well, let me say a couple of things. First of all, marco said earlier on that president 0obama knows exactly what hes doing, like we have this president that really knows i disagree, respectfully, with marco. I think we have a president who, incompetent and he doesnt know what hes doing. I think he has no idea what hes doing. And our country is going to hell. So, i just wanted to say, we disagree on that. Is that okay . Yeah, i have i got mentioned, can i respond . Id like you to finish the question, please. Specifics as to north korea. We have tremendous has been just sucked out of our country by china. China says they dont have that good of control over north korea. They have tremendous control. I deal with the chinese all of the time. I do largest bank in the world is in one of my buildings in manhattan. They tell me. They have total, absolute control, practically, of north korea. They have sucking trillions of dollars out of our country. They are rebuilding china with the money they take out of our country. I would get on with china, let china solve that problem, they can do it quickly and surgically. Thats what we should do with north korea. Senator rubio . Heres the broader point, as well, and i think it touches on what donald just mentioned. This is a president that views this country as a country thats been too powerful in the world and we create problems around the world. For example, it is one of the reasons why he has betrayed israel. Because he believes if we create separation from israel, it will help our relations in the islamic world. The same is happening in the asia pacific region, with accommodations to north korea. North koreans should be back on the list of terrorist nations, as an example. And donald is right. China does have a lot of influence over north korea and he should be leveraging our relationship with the chinese to ensure that north korea no longer has access to the resources that have allowed a country with no economy to develop long range missiles already capable of reaching the west coast of the United States potentially. Thank you, senator rubio. Governor bush, another problem facing the commander in chief right now is that north korea is College Student. What would you do to get that College Student back home . Well, first of all, it is interesting that happened literally days when this hostage release took place in iran. A day or two days afterwards, north korea took a held an american student hostage. I think its when we send a signal of weakness, when we are negotiating to release people that committed crimes in our country for people that didnt hostage in iran. Weve saw the shameful treatment of our sailors, that this sends a signal of weakness around the world. The next president of the United States is going to have to get back in the game. Where the United States word matters. We dont send signals of weakness. We need to use every influence possible to get this student back. And i think john is right about this, there are crippling sanctions that are available, as it relates to the two or three banks that north korea uses to illicit trade. Sanctions, not just because of the student, but because of the actions they are taking right now, as it relates to building this missile capability. Governor christie, i want to go to you on the same question. Would you negotiate with north korea lets make something very clear. I learned seven years as a federal postrosecutor in dealing with situations like were talking about in north korea, where criminals take people hostage. You never pay ransom to the criminals. Ever. You never pay ransom to the criminals. Everyone out at home watching tonight understands that principle. And so, what you need to do is to engage in a much different way with these folks. They do not understand anything but toughness and strength. And we need to engage the chinese to deal with the North Koreans, but we need to make sure they understand, theres a commander in chief who will not pay ransom for any hostage. This president and his former secretary of state are for paying ransom for hostages. When do that, you endanger even more americans around the world of hostage taking and illegal detention. You need a strong commander in chief who will say, we will not put up with this and we will take the actions we need to take, not only to get our people home safely, but to punish those who believe they can violate the law and violate americans sovereign rights to travel the world. This is unacceptable. And this is why this president is so weak and why the secretary of state, who is embracing a third barack obama term would be even weaker. Thank you very much, governor christie. David . Martha, were going to turn to immigration now. And i want to bring in governor kasich. You told us in an abc interview, quote, it is completely ridiculous to think we are going to grab people out of their homes and ship people back to mexico. Adding, quote, thats not where the party is. The party is not for departing 11. 5 million people. But mr. Trump and senator cruz, who have made deportation central to their campaigns, top the national polls. So, my question for you, are you well, you know, david, i spent a lot of time here in this state, as i mentioned earlier, and we have to have practical solutions, just like we were just talking about a few minutes ago on north korea. Look, the situation is, we need to finish the border. It has to be completed, just like we lock our doors at night, the country has to be able to lock its doors. And we can have a guest worker program, where people can come in and out in and orderly way. For the 11. 5 million that are here, if they have not committed a crime since theyve been here, i believe they ought to pay some taxes, pay a fine. Never get on the path to citizenship, but get legalization. It is i couldnt even imagine how we would even begin to think about taking a mom or a dad out of a house when they have not committed a crime since theyve been here, leaving their children in the house . I mean, that is not, in my opinion, the kind of values that we believe in. And secondly, i think at the end of the day, that americans would i think congress would pass a plan, to finish the border, guest worker, pay a fine, a path to legalization, and not citizenship. And weve got to get this done. And i will tell you this, within the first 100 days that i am president , i will put that proposal to the congress and i will tell you, as a former congressman, and an executive, in ohio, i can promise you that i believe youll get the votes to pass that and we can move on with that issue and protect our border. Thats what i think. Governor kasich, thank you. I want to bring this next to senator cruz. You heard what the governor said. He said we need practical solutions. And youve saw, i dont intend to send jack boots to knock on doors. Thats not how we enforce the law for any crime. So, what is your plan . How will you deport 11. 5 million undocumented people and be specific. How would you do it . In terms of practical solution, ive laid out the most detailed plan for solving illegal immigration. Its 11 pages, single spaced, chapter and verse. In short, were going to build a wall. Were going to triple the Border Patrol. Were going to increase and actually, since donald enjoyed that, i will simply say, ive got somebody in mind to build it. Were going to increase fourfold, the fixed wing and rotary wing aircraft so that you have Technology Monitoring an attempted incursion to direct the boots on the ground, where theyre occurring. Were going to put in place a strong everify system in the workplace, so you cant get a job without proving you are here legally. Well put in place a system on visas. 40 come in on visas and overstay. We will end sanctuary cities by cutting off taxpayer dollars to any jurisdiction that defies federal Immigration Law and we will end Welfare Benefits for those here illegally. Governor kasich was talking about the families and what you do with the families that you can you tell the American People tonight how you would do that . What you do is, you enforce the law. Under the constitution, the president has an obligation to, quote, take care that the laws be faithfully executed. Federal Immigration Law provides if someone is here illegally, they are to be deported. We saw just this past week the head of the Border Patrol union testify before congress that president obama had given the order to the Border Patrol to law. That is wrong. I will enforce the law and for everyone who says, you cant possibly do that i would note that in eight years, bill clinton deported 12 million people. In eight years, george w. Bush deported 10 million people. Enforcing the law, we can do it. What is missing is the political will. And when they were deporting the people, the border wasnt secure, so, theyd come right back. Once you secure the border, enforcing the law will solve this problem and that will benefit american workers. Senator cruz, thank you. This question is about immigration, it is also about leadership. Youre aware of the criticism from many candidates on this stage tonight, that you coauthored the socalled gang of eight bill that would have created a path to citizenship. Governor christie said, as soon as you felt the heat, you turned tail and run. Governor bush has said, i dont think we need people cutting and running anymore. Did you fight for your own legislation, senator, or did you run from it . Heres the bottom line. We cant get that legislation passed. The American People will not support doing anything about people that are in this country illegally until the law is enforced first, and you prove it to them. This has been clear. Every effort over the last ten years to do those has failed. And it has failed because the American People have zero trust that the federal government will enforce our laws. Thats why since then i have said, if you are serious about immigration reform, then the key that unlocks the door to being able to do that is not just to pass a law that says it is going to enforce the law, but to actually do it. To hire the 20,000 new border and walls, to put in place mandatory everify. An entry exit system. And once that is in place and thats working, i believe the American People will support a very reasonable, but responsible approach to people who have been here a long time, who are not dangerous criminals, who pay taxes and pay fines for what they did. But until then, none of that is going to be possible. Did you fight for the legislation at the time or did you run from it well, the legislation passed, but it has no support. It couldnt pass in the house, it will never pass in the United States until we secure the border and it is not the way were going to do when im president. When im president , we are going to enforce the law first, prove to people that illegal immigration is under control and then well see what the American People are willing to support when it comes to people that are not criminals who have been in the this country for a long time and who would like to say. Governor christie . David, just listen, again, everybody. This is the difference between responsible for problems and not answering a question. The question was, did he fight for his legislation. Its abundantly clear that he didnt. Its abundantly clear that he didnt fight for the legislation. When the teachers unions attacked me with 20 million of ads because i wanted to reform teacher tenure, i fought them and fought them and fought them and i won. When they didnt want when people wanted to raise taxes in my state at Democratic Legislature and threatened to close down the government, i said, fine. Close down the government. Ill order a pizza, open a beer and watch the mets. You can call me when the government reopens. And guess what they didnt do . They didnt pass a tax increase, because i vetoed it they never closed the government because they knew i would fight for what i believed in. The fact of the matter is, a leader must fight for what they believe in. Not handicap it, say, maybe because i cant win this one, ill run. Thats not what leadership is. Thats what congress is. Leadership leadership is ultimately about solving the problem. And the approach that was tried and has been tried now repeatedly over ten years to do this all at once in a massive piece of legislation has no chance of passage. It is not leadership to continue to try something that has no chance of happening. I want to make progress on this issue. It has been discussed now for 30 years and nothing ever happens. And i am telling you that the only way forward on this issue that has any chance of happening, meaning gaining the support of the American People, you cannot do this without the support of the American People. Is an approach that begins by proving that once and for all, illegal immigration is under control. Senator rubio, thank you. We want to turn to health care in this country, and Mary Katherine. Thanks, david. Good evening, guys. Good evening. Mr. Trump. Yes. In the democratic primary, Hillary Clinton has criticized Bernie Sanders plan for single payer Government Health care, noting it would require big across the board tax increases in doing so, shes doubling down on obama care, despite its persistent unpopularity. You have said you want to appeal obama care. You have said, quote, everybodys got to be covered, adding, quote, the governments going to pay for it. Are you closer to Bernie Sanders vision for health care than i dont think i am. I think im closer to common sense. We are going to repeal obama care. Were going to repeal obama care. We are going to replace obama care with something so much better. And there are so many examples of it. And i will tell you, part of the reason we have some people laughing, because you have insurance people that take care of everybody up here. The only one theyre not taking care of is me. We have lines around each state. The Insurance Companies are getting rich on obama care. The Insurance Companies are getting rich on health care and Health Services and everything having to do with health. We are going to end that. Were going to take out the artificial boundaries, the artificial lines. Were going to get a plan where people compete, Free Enterprise. So much better. In addition in addition to that, in addition to that, you have the Health Care Savings plans, which are excellent. What i do say is, there will be a certain number of people that will be on the street dying and as a republican, i dont want that to happen. Were going to take care of people that are dying on the street because there will be a group of people that are not going to be able to even think in terms of private or anything else and were going to take care of those people. And i think everybody on this stage would have to agree, youre not going to let people die, sitting in the middle of a street in any city in this country. Senator cruz, to that point, mr. Trump has said that your position on Health Care Means that maybe youve got, quote, no heart. There is a question here, though, about uncovered folks. Care. Any major change in Health Care Policy carries with it the risk that some people will lose their Insurance Coverage or have to change it. How do you reassure those people that repealing and replacing obama care is still in their best interest . Let me take two different parts of that. Let me start with socialized medicine. Socialized medicine is a disaster. It does not work. If you look at the countries that have imposed socialized medicine, that have put the government in charge of providing medicine, what inevitably happens is rationing. You have a scarcity of doctors. You have rationing. And that means the elderly are told, were going to ration a hip replacement, were going to ration a knee replacement. Were going to ration end of life care. Were right now heading into a medical system with about a 90,000doctor shortage in america and socialized medicine, whether proposed by the democrats or proposed by a republican would hurt the people of this country. What should we do on health care . If im elected president , we will repeal every word of obama and once we do that, we will adopt common sense reforms, number one, well allow people to Purchase Health insurance across state lines, that will drive down prices and expand the availability of low cost catastrophic insurance. Well expand Health Savings accounts. And we will delink Health Insurance from employment so that you dont lose your Health Insurance when you lose your job and that way, Health Insurance can be personal, portable and affordable and we keep government from getting in between us and our doctors. Dr. Carson, you have some experience with this matter. In the past, you have said that obama care should be replaced, before it is repealed. How and why . Well, thank you. You know, i was hoping to get a chance to talk about north korea. I was the only one who didnt get to do that and i have some tough to say about it, let me tell you. But at in rate, you have to replace it with something that makes sense. It doesnt make sense. Obama care is because the government comes in and tells the people, which, the nation is supposed to be centered on, we dont care what you think, if you dont like it, too bad. Thats a problem. And we cant afford to do that, because that will change america. I have proposed a Health Empowerment account system. Everybody gets an account the day they are born, they keep it until they die. They can pass it on. We pay for it with the same doctors that we pay for Traditional Health care with, recognizeing that we spend twice as much as many countries and health care and dont have as such access. We give people the ability to shift money within their Health Empowerment account, so that each family basically becomes its own Insurance Company without a middleman that saves you a lot of money. And that will lower the cost of your catastrophic insurance tremendously, because the only thing coming out of that is Catastrophic Health care. And in terms of taking care of whole system and i can go ahead and explain it, but i dont have the time, but id be happyeny to. But go to bencarson. Com, read about it. You can read about everything thats been discussed here in great detail. Thank you, dr. Carson. David, martha, back to you. Mary katherine, thank you. We want to turn now to the issue of Eminent Domain. And josh, go ahead. Thank you, david. And good evening, candidates. Mr. Trump, you have said, quote, i love eminent dom main the seizure of private property for the greater good. You tried to use the measure in prison. You supported it for the Keystone Pipeline. Here in New Hampshire, the Northern Pass would bring hydroelectric power from canada. Do you see Eminent Domain as an appropriate tool to get that done . Let me just tell you about so many people have hit me with commercials and other things about Eminent Domain. Eminent domain is an absolute necessity for a country, for our country. Without it, you wouldnt have roads. You wouldnt have hospitals. You wouldnt have anything. You wouldnt have schools. You wouldnt have brujs. You need Eminent Domain. And a lot of the big conservatives that tell me how conservative they are, thinkey all want the Keystone Pipeline. The Keystone Pipeline, without Eminent Domain, it wouldnt go you need it. Thing. What a lot of people dont know, oh, youre going to take their property when somebody when Eminent Domain is used on somebodys property, that person gets a fortune. They get at least fair market value and if they are smart, theyll get two or three times the value of their property. But without Eminent Domain, you dont have roads, highways, schools, bridges or anything. So, Eminent Domain, not that i absolutely its a necessity for a country. And certainly its a necessity for our country. So, that is yes on the Northern Pass project . Yes. The duchsifference between Eminent Domain for public purpose, roads and pipelines, thats for public purpose. What donald trump did was use Eminent Domain to try to take the property of an elderly woman on the strip in atlantic city. That is not public purpose. That is down right wrong. Heres the problem with that. The problem was, it was to tear down jeb wants to be a tough guy tonight. I didnt take the property. The net result was you tried. The woman ultimately didnt want to do that. I walked away. Thats not true. To turn this into a limousine parking lot for his casinos is not public use. And in florida, based on what we did, we made that impossible. It is part of our constitution. Thats the better approach. Mr. Trump . 30 seconds. He wants to be a tough guy. A lot of times youll have youll have and it didnt work very well. How tough it is to take property from an elderly woman. Let me talk. Quiet. A lot of times a lot of times thats all of his donors and special interests out there. So its what it is. Thats what it is. And by the way, let me just tell you, we needed tickets. You cant get them. You know who has the tickets to the Television Audience . Donors, special interests, the people that are putting up the money. Thats who it is. The rnc told us. We have all donors in the audience. And the reason theyre not loving me the reason theyre not excuse me. The reason theyre not loving me is, i dont want their money. Im going to do the right thing for the american public. I dont want their money. I dont need their money. And im the only one up here that can say that. Eminent domain, the keystone you consider that a private job . I consider it a public use. Let me ask you, jeb. Do you consider it private . Its a public use. Public use . No, its a private job. Its a public use. That was by the courts, federal, state courts. You wouldnt have the Keystone Pipeline that you want so badly without Eminent Domain. Gentlemen you wouldnt have massive factories without Eminent Domain. Gentlemen . David, martha . When we come back here, jobs, isis, and what it means to be a conservative. The Republican Debate continues right here from New Hampshire on abc. Well be right back. Abc news live coverage of the New Hampshire republican blackberry priv. 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I have never seen marco rubio more rattled. He repeated himself three times, precisely when Chris Christies criticism because, you always repeat yourself. This was a tough moment for rubio. Donald trump started out more subdued. Got a pass for most of the debate, right up until that first section and jeb bush was ready. Makes you wonder where would we be if jeb bush had been that forceful in going after trump from the start . He has been hitting donald trump. Not as effectively. He seemed to draw some blood and seemed to have the crowd on his side, at least for part of that answer tonight. Well be right back. Just a minute. Live from st. Anselm college in New Hampshire, here again are david muir and Martha Raddatz. And we welcome you back to the Republican Debate from New Hampshire tonight here on abc. Were going to turn now to what it means to be a conservative. I want to turn to governor kasich. Governor, while campaigning here in New Hampshire, you were asked by abc about groans from some conservatives after your endorsements from the new york sometime times and the boston globe. You said, conservatives have to say, isnt it nice to have a conservative like me liked . If i get elected president , the Republican Party and the definition of conserveatism is going to change. How could you change conservatism . Well, first of all, look. Hes certainly not a moderate, but he can bring people together and the fact of the matter is, ive cut taxes more than anybody in the country. This year. I have i have balanced budgets, the federal budget, the state of ohio budget. Were running a 2 billion surplus surplus. And in washington, we were able to have significant job growth. When we balanced the budget, of which i was the architect. Its not just balancing the budget. Its about jobs. When i was a kid growing up in a neighborhood where dad went home at night and said, i lost my job today, it just killed the family, it just it just was a devastating affect. So, we have to have economic growth. But once we have economic growth, i believe we have to reach out to people who live in the shadows. I believe we need to help the mentally ill, the working poor. We need to help the developmental disabled to rise and we need to help our friends in the Minority Community develop entrepreneurship. In america, conservatism should mean not only that some rise with conservative principles, rise, regardless of who they are so they can live their godgiven purpose. Thats what conservatism should be. Governor kasich, thank you. Mr. Trump, youve heard the argument that you are not a true conservative. Tell the voters watching tonight why you are. Well, i think i am. And i view the word conservative as a derivative of the word conserve. We want to conserve our money. We want to conserve our wealth. We want to conserve, we want to be smart. We want to be smart, where we go, where we spend, how we spend. We want to conserve our country. We want to save our country. And we have people that have no idea how doto do that and they are not doing it. Its something i believe in very, very strongly. Mr. Trump, thank you. Senator rubio, you have said yourself that you dont think donald trump is running as a conservative. Did he convince you . Well, i think conservatism is about three things. About limited government. Especially at the federal level. The federal government is limited by the constitution, which delineates its powers. If it is not in the constitution, it does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to states, communities. It is about Free Enterprise. It allows everyone to survive without pulling anyone down. The reason why Free Enterprise is the greatest economic model in the history of the world is because it is the only economic model where you can make poor people richer without making rich people poor. Its about a Strong National defense. Its believing that the world is a safer and better place when america is the Strongest Military and the strongest nation on this planet. Thats conservatism. Senator rubio, thank you. I want to go to the economy now. Mr. Trump, governor christie has said, if you get to ask a question, just ask him how. He talks about, just ask him how. You have said that youd be the tell americans watching tonight how many jobs you would create in the first term and how. Well, before i go there, i will tell you, i will bring jobs back from china. I will bring jobs back from japan. I will bring jobs back from mexico, where New Hampshire, by the way, has been virtually wiped out, they lost so many businesses, going to mexico because of horrible trade deals and now we are about to sign another trade deal, tpp, which is going to be a disaster for this country, because they dont talk about monetary manipulation manipulation. It is going to be a disaster. Im going to bring jobs back and ill start bringing them back very fast. Under my tax plan, right now, were the highest taxed country in the world. Under my plan, we cut not only taxes for the middle class, but we cut taxes for corporations. We will bring back trillions of dollars, thats offshore, right now, 2. 5 trillion and in my opinion, its much more than says. Come back. Were not going to lose pfizer which is now leaving, and other we have many, Many Companies that are leaving this country. Were not going to lose them. Were going to have a tax structure that is going to keep them in our country. Mr. Trump, thank you. There are a lot of governors on this stage tonight and governor christie, governor kasich said of you, quote, in ohio, we balanced a budget. They dont have one in new jersey. Weve got more jobs. How important are those met ickes in choosing the next president and is his job is his record on jords, i should say, actually stronger than yours . Well, he deserves credit. Hes done a very good job as governor of ohio. Never said john hasnt. Hes done a great job. But unfortunately, johns been so busy doing over stuff, hes using old statistics. New jersey new jersey has cut spending over 2. 3 billion and we have 10,000 fewer employees than we had when i walked in the door. Now, and more employees than he had when he walked in the door. All that doesnt matter. What really matters is this. That executive experience matters. We heard it said on the stage that president 0obama knows what he is doing. I would like to ask the veterans out there tonight, who are waiting in line for health care who are literally dying because the Veterans Administration doesnt work, do you think barack obama knows what hes doing . I dont. And ill tell you something. Anybody who evaluating him as knows sing what hes doing doesnt know how to manage a government themselves. And one last thing, david, which i think is really important. I listen to senator rubios answer on his bill. He said his bill couldnt pass on the gang of eight. He acted as if he was somehow disembodied from the bill. It was his bill. He said that didnt work. It was his idea. See, when you are a governor, you have to take responsibility for these things. You cant just act as if it happened out of nowhere. We have to take responsibility as executives. I take responsibility for my record in new jersey. We rebuilt the economy and Natural Disaster in american history. Im proud of my record. And i like kasichs record, too. Hes a good governor. David . Governor kasich . Look, im not here i lik chris. Let me just tell you, first of all, we have the lowest number of state employees in 30 years. Secondly, we have grown government at the rate of inflation. And i went from an 8 billion hole to a 2 billion surplus. And weve grown jobs by 400,000, thats one of the Fastest Growing states in the country. Our pensions are secure. And our credit is rock solid. Now, ive learned that, what makes things work, what gets the economy going, not just in ohio, but in washington . And its three things. Common sense regulations, which we have, lower taxes, which we have, the lowest taxes, tax cuts in the country, and thirdly, a fiscal plan to balance the budget. When you go from 8 billion in the hole to 2 billion in the billion and you grow over 400,000 jobs, that is a record that i can take to washington, using the same formula that i used in washington when i was part of the effort to balance the budget to give us a surplus and to create jobs. Thats what i did and ill do it again. Governor kasich i was mentioned im going to come to you next with a question, anyway. Going from jobs to taxes, and heres let me respond to that question. To the gang of eight bill first . Heres the response. I think anyone who believes that barack obama isnt doing what hes doing on purpose doesnt understand what were dealing with here, okay . President that is trying to change this country. When he talked about change, he wasnt talking about dealing with our problems. Obama care was not an accident. The undermining of the Second Amendment is not an accident. The gutting of our military is not an accident. The undermining of america on the global stage is not an accident. Barack obama is, indeed, trying to redefine this country. Dealing with here, because thats what Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders want to double down on. The governor wasnt talking about the president he talked about barack obama. Senator rubio. A recent poll, 68 of Americans Favor Raising taxes on people are they wrong . I dont know of any problem in america thats going to be fixed with a tax increase. We have an Economy Today, an Economy Today that is not creating jobs that pay enough. And one of the reasons why is because we have one of the most expenseive business tax rates on the planet. Our combined rate puts us among the highest in the industrialized world. And we are the only one that has a worldwide system of taxation. An American Company who makes money abroad has to pay taxes where they made the money and a second time when they bring it back. The combination of these two things has stranded over 2 trillion, the equivalent of the size of the russian economy, 2 trillion of american corporate money, stranded overseas, inversions of companies leaving us. The solution to the problems we have today are not a tax increase. It is to lower our taxes on both people and on companies so we can make america globally competitive again. Senator rubio, thank you. I want to bring in governor bush. 68 of Americans Favor Raising taxes on people making more than 1 million. What do you say to those people tonight . I would like to see more millionaire millionaires. We need to create a Prosperity Society where people can rise up. This notion that somehow were undertaxed as a nation is just fool hearty, when we have entitlements growing faster than our ability to pay for it. A conservative, because thats the point of this, believes in limited government, believes in a Strong National defense. But we need to reform things. In my town Hall Meetings, i went to a place where a woman described her neighbor who has a better economic deal by not working than her struggling to working people. The problem with the left is, another tax, another regulation, another mandate makes it harder for them to rise up. Everything that we should do sustained economic growth, where the middle class gets a raise for the first time and where people are rewarded for work, rather than nonwork. And i know how to do this. If people are interested in the specifics, go to jeb2016. Com. Knew that was coming. David . David . I actually have experience with raising taxes on millionaires in my state, it was done. It was done by my predecessor. I want people to know the truth. Youre wrong. Here is why youre wrong. After new jersey raised taxes on millionaires, we lost, in the next four years, 70 billion in wealth, it left our state, to go where it would be treated more kindly. If the United States raises taxes any further, that money will leave the United States, as well. Let new jersey be the canary in the coal mine. It is a failed idea and a failed policy, its class warfare. It happened in my state. Ive stopped it from happening again. But we cannot do it. The 68 of the people are wrong about that, it will hurt the american economy. We tried it in hj hj,new jersey. It did not work. Governor christie, thank you. Martha . Senator cruz, you advocate what you call carpet bombing, or saturation bombing, to defeat isis, citing the more than 1,100 air attacks a day, the u. S. Carried out during the first gulf war in 1991. Explain how a strategy to defeat a Standing Army would work against an unconventional terrorist group that is now hiding amongst the population. Well, sure. It starts with a commander in chief that sets the objective. And the objective has to be utterly and completely destroying isis. Obama hasnt started with that objective and Everything Else flows from there. Out. The first tool is overwhelming air power. It is one of the blessings of the United States of america, having the greatest military on the face of the earth, is, we have the ability to use that air power, as you know, the first persian gulf war, 1,100 air attacks a day. Obama is launching between 15 and 30. Now, when i say saturation carpet bombing, that is targeted at oil facilities, targeted at the oil tankers, command and control locations, targeted at Infra Infrastructure, communications, its targeted at bombing all of the roads and bridges. Its using overwhelming air power. You know, couple of weeks ago, it was reported that a facility is open called jihadist university. Now, the question i wonder, why is that building Still Standing . It should be rubble. And if you had a president , though, i will say this i would be willing to wait until freshman orientation before launching those bombs. To expand or loosen the rules of exgaugement . I was just in a command center, and they said they thought the rules of engagement worked. Because you have so many civilians in those populated areas, they dont want to hit civilians. Martha, ill tell you, i have visited with active duty military, with veterans over and over and over again in town halls all over the state of New Hampshire. What we are doing to our sons and daughters, it is immoral. We are sending them in to fight with their arms tied behind their back. They cannot defend themselves. And it is wrong. And i will tell you this. Look. America has always been reluctant to use military force. Its the last step we take. But if and when we use it, and when it comes to defeating isis, we should use it. We should use overwhelming force, kill the enemy, and then get the heck out. Dont engage in nationbuilding, but instead, allow our soldiers to do their jobs instead of risking their lives with politicians, making it so, loosen the rules of engagement . Absolutely, yes. Senator rubio, you said in the last debate that isis is the most dangerous Jihadist Group in the history of mankind. Overwhelming u. S. Force to defeat them. Can you specifically tell us force . Well, first, we need to understand who they are. Isis is not just a Jihadist Group, theyre an apocalyptic group. They want to trigger a showdown between the west and themselves, which they believe will trigger the arrival of their figure. Im not saying whats going to happen. The reason why its important to understand that is because these are not groups that are just going to go away on their own. They are going to have to the defeated. And i believe they need to be defeated and the ground, by a ground force, made up of sunni arabs. It will take sunni arabs to reject them and defeat them militarily. That will require coalition of iraqis and syrians that are also sunnis, but the cooperation of need to be backed up with u. S. Special Operation Forces alongside them and it will have to be backed up with increased air strikes. We are going to have to strike them in iraq and syria and every other part of the world where they have hubs of operation. They have affiliates in a dozen countries on this planet. It all begins by taking away their they operating spaces. Again, senator rubio, youve already said isis is the most dangerous Jihadist Group in the history of mankind. So, that would make it more daung rouse dangerous than al qaeda, the insurgents in iraq. We committed hundreds of thousands of u. S. Troops to fight those groups. So, if isis is the most dangerous group in history, why not commit a large u. S. Ground force . Because they currently occupy sunni cities and villages. Only truly be liberated and held by sunnis themselves. If they are held by shias, will start sectarian violence. Kurds do not want to liberate and hold sunni villages and towns. It will take sunni fighters toe take those villages and cities and to avoid the sectarian violence that follows in the past. And why that is important is because if sunnis are not able to govern themselves in these areas, you are going to have a successor group to isis. Isis is a successor group of al qaeda. In fact, they broke away from al qaeda, as horrible as al qaeda is, isis thought al qaeda was not radical enough. This is who were dealing with and they have more money than al qaeda ever had. What would you do differently to try to get the sunni forces . They have not been coming forward. Well, the problem with the sunni forces in the region is they dont trust this administration. This administration cut a deal with their mortal enemies, the shia, in iran. Countries. It makes it very difficult to cooperate with them. They understand what real u. S. Air power looks like. They saw the iraq war. They saw afghanistan. Nail they know what air power looks like when the United States is committed to the cause. They see the air strikes conducted now and they say to themselves, thats not real commitment. We know what real commitment looks like. The jordanian king was in washington three weeks ago. He told everyone who would listen that they have begged for permission from the coalition to target car have a ranvacaravans. They will not allowed to proceed. Mr. Trump, thank you very much, senator rubio, mr. Trump. You have said you will vigorously bomb isis. Youve said, weve got to get rid of isis, quickly, quickly. How would you get rid of them so quickly and please give us specifics. Well, four years ago, i said, bomb the oil and take the oil. And if we did that, they wouldnt have the wealth they now, i still say the same thing. Because were doing little pinpricks, were not even bomb, if somebody is driving a truck, they give notice, were going to bomb. If they dont get out of the truck, the truck sails away with the oil. We dont want to bomb the oil, because we dont want to hurt pollute the atmosphere. Can you imagine, general patton saying, we cant bomb because atmosphere. You have to knock the hell out of the oil. You have to take the oil. And you have also back channels of banking. You have people who think are our friends, in the middle east, that are paying tremendous numbers of tremendous amounts of money to isis, so, we have to stop those circuits. Nobody knows banking better than i do. They have back channels. Tremendous amounts of money is coming in through the banking system. So, between the oil and the banking, you will dry them up. But it should have been done four years ago, not now. And what would you do in people who we are trying to help who isis is essentially holding hostage . You have to go in first of all, when you take away their money and wealth, that will weaken weaken. It will last for a year. But when you stop the banking channels and when you stop the oil and take the oil, not just bomb it, take it, when you do that, its going to dry up very quickly. Theyre going to become a very weakened power quickly. Thank you very much, mr. Trump. Lets turn to libya. Governor bush, it is a country government. This week, defense officials said there are now 5,000 isis fighters there, roughly doubling previous estimates. We know you and others have been critical of the administrations handling of libya after the supported. But this is a problem you would stand to inherit if youre the next president. Reports this week said the new air strikes, possible special operations raids. Would you support renewed air strikes or any u. S. Involvement on the ground . I would. And i would do it in concert, again, with our arab allies and with europe, most particularly, in this case. This is the lesson learned, in history, if you bomb something and not do anything as it relates to deal with the aftermath of this, if you dont have a stable government, you get what we have in libya. And this is not leading from behind. Its not an effective policy. We have to lead. Without the United States, nothing seems to work. Europe doesnt have the ability to lead forwardly in this regard. And so, dealing with the caliphate is important, because it now has spawned other areas. There have been 70plus attacks in 17 countries, either inspired by isis or organized by isis. Libya being the most important one now. We have to deal with the caliphate with building a sunni army there, but we have to deal with it in libya. I think the United States, significant role in this. The problem with the Obama Administration is that they see this incrementally. Theyre reluctant. They dont lead. No one knows if were serious and when we do it, we do it in increments you can barely see. The United States has to lead in a much more aggressive way than were doing right now. Thank you very much, governor bush. Dr. Carson. I want to Say Something about this, because im not here just to add beauty to the stage. You know, ive been talking about libya for quite a long time. I think i was the first one to Start Talking about it. I say, we have to have a pro active Foreign Policy strategy. And, of course, the next place that isis is going to attack to is libya. If you want to expand your caliphate and increase your influence, then, youre going to go to a place thats tra teejicily located. Mediterranean. Youre into southern europe. You go south, you are into chad and sudan and niger. Have much more oil than you do in iraq. Thats the kind of place that theyre going to go to. Therefore, we need to be thinking about how do we prevent them from attacking over there. Fighters there. We need to be consulting with our military experts and asking them, what do they need in order to prevent isis from being able to take over libya. Thats going to have enormous consequences. Would you support renewed air strikes . I would support the possibility of renewed air strikes if in conjunction with our joint chiefs and our military people, they felt that that was an appropriate strategy. The fact of the matter is, none of us up here is a military expert. And we sometimes act like we are, but were not. If we actually sit down and talk with them and get them to understand our plan and get their impression of what needs to be done, i think were going to make a lot more were going to move on. Martha, thank you. Were going to stay on isis here theres been a debate in this country about how to deal with the enemy and enhanced interrogation attempts. Senator cruz, you have said, torture is wrong, period. Civilized nation do not engage in torture. Some of the other candidates say is torture. Mr. Trump has said, i would bring it back. Senator cruz, is waterboarding torture . Well, under the definition of torture, no, its not. Under the law, torture is excruciating pain that is equivalent to losing organs and systems, so, under the definition of torture, it is not. It is enhanced interrogation, it is vigorous interrogation, but it does not meet the generally recognized definition of torture torture. If elected president , would you bring it back . I would not bring it back in any sort of widespread use. And indeed i senator mccain in legislation that would prohibit line because i think bad things happen when enhanced interrogation is employed at lower levels, but when it comes to keeping this country safe, the commander in chief has inherent constitutional safe. And so, if it were necessary to, say, prevent a city from facing an imminent terrorist attack, you can rest assured that as commander in cheech, iief, i would use whatever methods we could to keep this country safe. Nor cruz, thank you. Mr. Trump, you said not only bring it back. Well, ill tell you what. In the middle east, we have people chopping the heads off christians. We have people chopping the heads off many other people. We have things that we have never seen before, as a group, we have never seen before, whats happening right now. The Medieval Times, i mean, we studied Medieval Times, not since Medieval Times have people seen whats going on. And i would bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding. Mr. Trump, thank you. Governor bush, you said you wont rule it out. Congress has passed laws banning the use of waterboarding by the military and the cia, as you know. Would you Want Congress to change that . No, no, i wouldnt. It was used sparingly, congress has changed the laws and i think where we stand is the appropriate place. But what we need to do is to make sure that we expand our intelligence capabilities. The idea that were going to solve this fight with predator drones, killing people somehow is more acceptable than capturing them, securing the information. This is why, closing guantanamo is a complete disaster. What we need to do is make sure we are kept safe by having intelligence capabilities, both human and technological. Thats how you get a more safe place, is by making sure that were fully engaged. Right now, this administration doesnt do that. Senator rubio, i do want to ask you, you have said that you do not want the telegraph to the enemy what you would do as commander in chief. But for the American People, do you believe waterboarding is torture . Well, when people talk about interrogating terrorists, they are acting like this is some sort of Law Enforcement function. Law enforcement is about gathering evidence. Antiterrorism is about finding out information to prevent a future attack. Apply. And it is true, we should not be discussing in a widespread way the exact tactics that were going to use, because it allows terrorists and others to practice how to evade us. But heres the bigger problem with all of this. Were not interrogating anybody right now. Began tone mow began on the mow is being emptied. We shouldnt be releasing these killers who are rejoining the battlefield. Senator rubio, thank you. We want to turn now to executive orders. And lets go back to Mary Katherine. Senator cruz, on the campaign trail, youve promised voters a lot, and fast. If you are elected president , you said youd end common core, abolish the irs and do away with sanctuary cities. Youve been a critic of president obamas executive overreach. How do you intend to implement this aggressive agenda within your constitutional authority, especially given that it would require working with congress and washington players with whom you are happy to say you have a strained relationship. Well, thank you for that question, you know, there are three avenues of president ial authority to change the direction of this country. The first is executive power. The second is Foreign Policy. And the third is legislation. Executive power, as we all know, has been the preferred vehicle of president obama, abusing his authority, abusing his constitutional authority. Now, the Silver Lining of that is, everything done with with executive power. I will rescind every single executive action barack obama has done. That means on day one, his amendment go away. That means on day one, his illegal executive amnesty goes away. The reason i can end common core at the federal level is because obama is abusing executive power using race to the top funds to force it on the states. Thats one avenue. The Second Avenue of change is Foreign Policy. And Foreign Policy can change the fastest. Its worth remembering that iran released our hostages the day reagan was sworn in. And the third is legislation, and that can only be done with the people behind you, which is why the two big legislative initiatives im campaigning on are repealing obama care and adopting a simple flat tax to abolish the irs. If senator cruz is known for opposing deals, you literally wrote the book on making them. Senator cruz has mentioned that on the trail. What would you say to those conservatives who are concerned that a dealmaker will just perpetuate the same deems in washington, the way that things run now. No, a good dealmaker will make great deals. But will do it the way our founders thought it should be done. People get together, they make deals. Ronald reagan did it with tip oneill. You didnt hear so much about executive orders, if you heard about it at all. You have to be able to get a consensus. Now, the real person, like it was mentioned about the deal with iran, how bad a deal is that . It doesnt get any more amateurish than that. With congress, you have to get everybody in a room, and you have to get them to agree. But you have to get them to agree with what you want. And thats part of being a dealmaker. You cant leave the white house, three weeks and be a real dealmaker. It doesnt work that way. You have to get people in, grab them, hug them, kiss them and get the deal done. But its got to be the deal that you want. Governor kasich. Is the problem with washington that there are too many deals or too few . Well, right now, the deals theres no leadership. A lot of the things that were talking about here tonight, you know, on the border and so many of the things, you know, what we should be doing on foreign katherine, theres not a leader that gets somebody to rise up. You have to have a leader that can inspire. I mean, actually, some of what donald is saying is true. Look, you know how hard it was to some . To get the federal budget balanced . You have to plead with people. To do what weve done in ohio, you have to plead with people. Then, you go back down to washington and do the same thing. We have to remind people, were americans before were and when we wait and when we delay, what we end up doing, Mary Katherine, is, we make the United States weaker. In fact, its a Foreign Policy issue, because people look at american, not solving problems and they say, what are they doing over there . So, the point is, you have to work with people. The problem with executive authority for the president , its really bad news for this reason. Since hes given up on working with congress, he thinks he can impose anything he wants. Hes not a king. Hes a president. And executive orders should be used, frankly, in consolidation and consulting with the leadership in the congress. Ive done it in ohio, i consult, i can use executive orders, but i dont trump the legislature. Because if you do, you aggravate them, you anger them and then the longterm prospects get bleak. We have to solve problems in america by coming together, republicans and democrats, americans first, party and ideology second, in the second back seat of this country. And we can do it. And we can do it. This is a this is an important subject. I agree with everything thats been said here about repealing unconstitutional rules and rules that are creating real burdens for investing that creating jobs. But we also ought to get back to being a tenth amendment country, as well. A country that respects the states to be able to make more decisions. And in the bush administration, we would shift transportation dollars back to the states. I trust kasich and christie to build the roads and the Infra Infrastructure of their states than washington, d. C. Epa delegated authority, back to the states. Education dollars, back to the states. I would like to see reform take place all across the country, where theres more vouchers, more freedom. If we did that, we would shrink governments power in washington, d. C. , and we would have a much more effective government, where people would begin to trust our government again, because now, no one believes it works. Mary katherine, let me just say this to you. You must have an agenda that you jeb is right. If you delay and you wait, the washington operators will take you down. I can tell you this, in the first 100 days, i will have legislation to freeze federal regulations, have them reviewed by the Vice President , reduce state taxes on individuals, reduce taxes on corporations, have a fiscal plan to balance the budget, get the border protected and begin to fix Social Security in the first 100 days, so, anybody who is here tonight, if i get elected president , head out tomorrow and buy a seat belt, because theres going to be so much happening in the first 100 days, its going to make your head spin. Were going to move america forward. I promise you. Were going to move us forward. You mentioned me. He mentioned me. Along with repealing obama care, we need to shift all of this power of health care, which is the most egregious, allow governors to have the medicaid century medicaid insurance for people who are stuck in poverty. There are so much that can be done, but i dont trust washington to do it. I trust the states to be the source of innovation and reform in this country. Thank you, governors. Martha and david, back to you. Mary katherine, thank you. We want to turn to something the governor of New Hampshire said jeb mentioned me. Time for me to go again i didnt mention him the second time. He says he didnt mention me the second time. I thought i heard it, jeb. Thank you all very much for all of us tonight. Thank you. Connection here on the stage. Were going to move on to what the governor of New Hampshire said just this week, and that is secondleading cause of death in this state. 48 of the people here in this state knows someone who abuses josh . Here in New Hampshire. Last month, New Hampshire senator senators went down to washington, along with the police chief of the states largest city to testify before the Judiciary Committee in d. C. Senator cruz, you did not attend this. Even so, the police chief called your absence now ray jousoutrageous, given the problem. You talked about a family members problem with addiction. What can you say now that you understand the severity of the problem and you are not just saying what you think people want to hear . Well, josh, as you noted, this is a problem that, for me, i understand firsthand. My older sister, myriam, who is my halfsister, struggled her whole life with drug and alcohol addiction. My father and her mom divorced when she was a little girl and she was angry her whole life. Who had been in and out of jail. She then became a single mom and she herself went to jail several times and she ended up spending some time in a crack house. I still remember my father and me driving up to get myriam out of that crack house to try to convince her, she needed to be a mom to my nephew, joey. She wasnt willing to listen. She was not willing to change the path she was on. She was angry. I was had just gotten my first job coming out of law school. I took a 20,000 loan on a credit card to put my nephew, joey, in valley forge military a academy academy. He was in sixth grade at the time, to pay his way through that. And about five, six years ago, myriam died of an overdose. It was the she went to one night, had taken too many pills, and joey walked in, found her dead. This is an epidemic. Solving it has to occur at the state and local level with programs like aa and counciling and churches and charities. But it has to be securing the borders. Mexican cartels are struggling heroin into this country. We know how to secure the borders. What is missing is the political will to do it. And as president , i will secure the border, we will end this deluge of drugs that is flowing over our southern border and that is killing americans across this country. Governor christie, you talked a lot about this issue here in New Hampshire, state reforms, criminal justice reforms, access to treatment. To senator cruzs point, lets take it a step further. Would you be willing to engage into enforcement into mexico, a place where Law Enforcement in New Hampshire has traced the supply back to, would you engage in crossborder enforcement without the Cooperation Without the Mexican Government . Of course i would. As a former United States attorney that spent seven years of my life fighting this, i would do that. We need to do more. In new jersey. We are working with the folks in New Hampshire right now to show them how were helping to solve this problem in hj hj. New jersey. Three years ago, i proposed a law that we sign into effect, which said anyone who was a nonviolent, nondealing firsttime drug offender no longer goes to prison in new jersey. They go to mandatory inpatient drug treatment. Whats happened is, crime has gone down 20 in theres years. The prison population has gone down 10 . Were now closed the state prison, closed a state prison and turning it into a drug rehabilitation center. Listen, everyone out there knows this in New Hampshire. This is a disease. Its not a moral failing. Its a disease. And weapon need to get people the treatment they need. And let me tell you why. Because im prolife. And im pro life, not just for the nine months in the womb, when they get out and its a lot more complicated. 16yearold heroinaddicted drug lockup, the 42yearold who his own family. And the last thing is this. These efforts taken over the last three years, 2015 in new jersey, for the first time in four years, Drug Overdose depths have gone down, not up, ill bring the same solutions to the country. Governor christie, thank you very much. David, martha, back to you. Thank you, governor christie. Thank you, josh. Our partner in this debate, the independent journal review, has collected eded questions from some prominent conservatives around the country. Heres a videotaped question from radio host larry oconnor. In 2008, we saw how motivated and electorate can be when they think their vote is making history. Youll be running against the prospect of the first woman president. How will you change that narrative and motivate the electorate behind your condition si . Mr. Trump, im going to give that question to you. You took it away anyway. Right at me right there. I think that i look at whats going on, i look at all of the polls, i do very, very well against Hillary Clinton. I can tell you, im the last person that she wants to run against. And i think you can see what galvanizing. Ive been all over the country. Were last night, i was in South Carolina, we had 12,000 people. It set up in about four days. Movement. A lot of it has to do with joshs question on drugs, im the first person that said, build a wall. Not a toy wall that they have right now. A real warm. Youll solve lots of problems. But we will galvanize the people of this country and we will beat Hillary Clinton. Assuming that she runs, by the way, how she gets away with the email stuff, but on the assume assumption that she runs, and if she runs, shes running for one reason. One reason, and thats because the democrats are protecting her. Because so many people have done so much less than her and they were absolutely, their lives have been destroyed. But on the assumption they protect her, i will win the election and we will win it by a lot. We will win it. We cannot have another four years of essentially barack obama. Thank you, mr. Trump. Im going to go to senator rubio. How would you change that narrative . I think its already happening. Look at the turnout in iowa. Historic numbers. Look at the rallies that people on this stage are having. Much higher numbers than you used to see in the past. Here is why. People are starting to understand, very clearly, that this election is going to be a turning point. That 2016 is not just a voice between republican or democrat. It is a referendum on our identity as a nation and as a people. Here is what Hillary Clinton needs to understand. Were going to have our pree mare, our debates, twice as many having to have themselves. Together. And we are going to defeat Hillary Clinton, because she is unqualified to be the president of the United States. She put classified information on her computer because she thinks shes above the law and anyone who lies to the families of people who have lost their loved ones in the service of our country like she did in benghazi can never be the commander in chief of the United States of america. Thank you, senator rubio. Dr. Carson, i want to go to you. Would you change the narrative . Same question . Yes. Yes. Well, first of all, i think it would be pretty easy contrast, quite frankly, between myself and Hillary Clinton. In one case, you have someone who is known as a deceitful individual. An individual who at benghazi, which i will never let go, quite frankly, because i think of on the top of that compound with machine guns, firing away, allowing their colleagues to escape, and im sure, in the back of their mind, they were just saying, if we can just hold on, help is on the way, but help was not on the way. When did we in the United States people . You know, this is not who we are. And i would simply make it a referendum on honesty and integrity versus decect and the washington way. Martha . Im going to go back to david. When we come back, questions about race, our veterans, and what younger conservative voters, as we continue with New Hampshire with the republican abc news live coverage of moment. You totaled your brand new car. Nobodys hurt, but there will still be pain. It comes when your Insurance Company says theyll only pay three quarters of what it takes to replace it. What are you supposed to do . Drive three quarters of a car . 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And john kasich, who is doing the best in most of the polls right now, really trying to strike himself out as the most positive candidate up there on the stage. Hes the one trying to get the independents that can be so important here in New Hampshire. And he is presenting the optimistic vision of, were anger. We want to get beyond that. And the better they do, maybe the better donald trump does. Yeah, and trump has had nobodys gone after him. Jeb bush went after him a little bit of imminent domain. Well be right back. 3 a federal court ruling takes aim. At controversial redistrcting in north carolina. How the decision will affect next months primary election here in the mountains. A Henderson County Community Mourns the loss of a young father. Details on the freak accident. That claimed his life. 3 3 live from st. Anselm college in New Hampshire, here again are david muir and Martha Raddatz. Welcome back to New Hampshire, abc News Coverage of the Republican Debate and it is great to have you back at the podiums and we want to turn to race in america. And mr. Trump. There are many who argue cell phones and smartphones are just now exposing whats been happening in this country for years. As you know, mr. Trump, on the other side, the fbi director recently said theres a chill wind blowing through law phone,ment, because ofphone, enforcement. You have said police are the most mistreated people america. How do you bridge the divide . Well, there is a divide, but i have to say that the police are absolutely mistreated and misunderstood and if there is an incident, whether its an incident done purposely, which is a horror, and you should take very strong action, or if it is a mistake, its on your news casts all night, all week, all month, and it never ends. The police in this country have done an unbelievable job of keeping law and order. And theyre afraid for their jobs. Theyre afraid of the mistreatment they get and im telling you that not only, me speaking, minorities all over the country, they respect the police of this country and we have to give them more respect. They cant act. They cant act. Pension, their job. And i deal with them all the time. We have to give create respect, far greater than we are right now, to our really fantastic police. Mr. Rump, i did ask about bridging the divide, though, as president. What would you say to the American Families who say, we have seen Excessive Force . Well, they do. And they sue. Everybodysues, right . We have so much litigation. I see the courts, i see what theyre doing. They sue, and, you know what . We dont want Excessive Force, but at what point . You know, either you are going to have a police force that can do its job i was just up in manchester, i met with the Police Officers yesterday, tremendous people. They love the area. They love the people. They love all the people. They want to do their job. And youre going to have abuse and youre going to have problems and you have to solve the problems and you haveo weed out the problems. But the police in this country are absolutely amazing people. I want to ask i wanted to say, there can be a winone here. I have formed a collaborative between police and community leaders. Because people have to respect Law Enforcement. The family didnt want dad or mom going home in a box. And for our community leaders, many of them think the system not only works not only doesnt work for them, but it works against them. And i created a big collaborative in ohio, made up of Law Enforcement, community leaders, the head of my Public Safety and a former democrat, liberal Senate Senator run it. They got together, they made recommendations on recruiting, hiring, the use of deadly force and what were about to do is to Bring Community and Police Together so we can have a winwin. We need more winwins in america and we dont have to pick one over another. We love the police, but weve got to be responsible to the people in the community. Senator rubio, i want to ask you next, president obama his presidency. President george w. Bush visited a mosque after september 11th. You said of president obama, quote, he is always pitting people against each other. So, im curious, how are the two visits different and would you visit a mosque as president . I would. But thats not the issue my problem with what he did is, he continues to put out this fiction that theres widespread discrimination against Muslim Americans. First of all, lets recognize this. If you go to a National Cemetery in this country, you will see stars of davids and crosses, but you see crescent moons. There are brave men and women who happen to be Muslim Americans who are serving this country in uniform and who have died in the service of this country. And we recognize that and we honor that. But by the same token, we face a very significant threat of home grown violent extremism. We need to have strong, positive relationships in the islamic communities in this country so they can identify and report this activity. Especially mosques, for example, that are participating not just in hate speech, but inciting violence and taking acts against us. Recognize, you want to talk about religious discrimination in america. I dont think Barack Obamas being sued by any islamic groups, but he is being sued by the Little Sisters of the poor. We have facing christian groups, traditional values who feel and in fact are being discriminated against that try to force them to vie to violate their conscience. Senator rubio, thank you. Martha . Governor christie, earlier this week, the World Health Organization declared the zika virus a global emergency. The same kind of mosquitos that carry the zika virus in latin america are found here in the United States. And the virus has been linked to severe birth defects. Governor christie, at the peak of the Ebola Outbreak in west africa, you ordered an american nurse who landed at Newark Airport be detained and quarantine quarantined. As fear spreads noult of the zika virus and the rio olympics just months away, is there a scenario where you would quarantine people traveling back spread in the United States . You belt i would. And the fact is that because i took strong action to make sure symptoms remember what happened with that nurse. She was showing symptoms and coming back from a place that had the ebola virus active and she had been treating patients. This was not just someone, we picked her up just for the heck of it. We did it because she was showing symptoms. And the fact is, thats how we should make these decisions. You make the decisions based upon the symptoms, the medicine and the law. She turned out to test negative after 48 hours and we released her back to the state of maine. But i want to add something on the issue of mosques. Now, im the only one up here who has a Law Enforcement background and was the u. S. Attorney after september 11th. I went to mosques to build bridges between our community and Law Enforcement to get intelligence and information from these folks. I had the experience of working with them as governor of new jersey, as well. Islamic jihadist with every day Muslim Americans. New jersey has the secondlargest Muslim American state. These are good, lawabiding, hardworking people. What they need is our cooperation and our understanding. They do not need just broadsides against them because of their religious faith. Governor christie, thank you. Im going to move to dr. Carson and go back to the zika virus. Quarantining . You are a doctor. What would you do . Its not a simple issue. And now, you know, weve got evidence that there can be active viruses in other bodily fluids, like is a leesaliva and urine. This is going to be a bigig deal, obviously. Do we quarantine people, if we have evidence that they are infected and that there is evidence that that infection can spread by something that theyre doing, yes. Going oitut and quarantineing people because they went to brazil, i dont believe thats going to work. We really need to talk about, how do we get this disease under control . And this is where we need Rapid Response. We needled Rapid Responseed Rapid Response for ebola. We need it for zika. Other things will come up. And these are the kinds of things that the nih, the cdc, can be very effective at. We need to give them the appropriate support for those kinds of things. Thank you very much, dr. Carson. I want to move onto the military. Senator rubio, all restrictions on women in combat have been lifted, as long as they qualify, to sixes poe six positions like navy s. E. A. L. S. The military leaders of the army and marine corps said they believe young women, just as young men are required to do, should sign up for Selective Service in case the draft is reinstated. Senator rubio, should young women be required to sign up for Selective Service in case of a National Emergency . Well, first, let me say, there are women today serving in roles that are like combat, that, whose lives are in very serious danger. So, i have no problem whatsoever with people of either gender serving in combat, so long as the minimum requirements are not compromised. But i support that. And now that that is the case, i do believe that Selective Service should be opened up for both men and women i in case a draft is ever instituted. I think the more fundamental challenge is whats happening to the u. S. Military. Its important to start paying attention to this. Our air force is about to be the smallest its been in our history. The army is set to be smaller than its been since the second world war. And our navy is about to be the smallest that its been in 100 years. We need to begin to refocus on rebuilding our military. Every time we have cut our military, we have had to come costs more, its a lot more chaotic and dangerous. When im president , we are rebuilding the u. S. Military. Thank you, senator rubio. Governor bush, do you believe young women should sign up for Selective Service, be required to do so i do, i do. And we should not impose any kind of political agenda on the military. There should be, if women can meet the requirements, the minimum requirements for combat service, they ought to have the right to do it, for sure. It ought to be focused on the morale, as well. We have to make sure we have readiness. We need to eliminate the sequester, which is devastating our military. We cant be focusing on the political side of this. We need to realize the military force is how we project our word in the world. When we are weak, militarily, doesnt matter what we say. We can talk about red lines and isis being the jv team and reset buttons and all this. If we dont have a strong militaryry then no one fears us and they take actions that are against our national interests. American people out there who are sitting at home, who have daughters, who might worry about those answers and might why would they worry . The draft is reinstituted. Its not going to be, but if women that . No. About the draft. You asked about registering. If women you register for the draft. If its im not suggesting we have a draft. What im suggesting is that we ought to have readiness being the First Priority of our military, and secondly, that we make sure that the morale is high. And right now, neither one of those are acceptable, because weve been gutting the military budget. We also need to reform our procurement process. We need to make sure there are more men and women in uniform than civilians in our defense department. There are a lot of things we need to reform to bring our defense capabilities into the 21st century. I can do that. Thats why i have the support of medal of honor recipients and people know that i would be a steady commander in chief and rebuild our military. Martha . Thank you very much. Can i be really clear on this, because i am the father of two daughters. One of them is here tonight. What my wife and i have taught our daughters right from the beginning, that their sense of selfworth, their sense of value, their sense of what they want to do from life comes not from the outside, but comes from within. And if a young woman in this country wants to go and fight to defend their country, she should be permitted to do so. Part of that needs to be part of a greater effort in this country no reason why women should be discriminated against for registering for the Selective Service. The fact is, we need to be a party and a people that makes sure that our women in this country understand anything they can dream, anything that they want to aspire to, they can do. Thats the way we raise our daughters. Governor christie one second, dr. Carson. Something about the draft. Very quickly. Very quickly. You know, 14 decrease in the number of people applying for voluntary military service, and i think part of it is because of the way we treat our veterans. You know, we wouldnt be a free country if it wasnt for them. And we have 22 veterans per day committing suicide. So, i think what we should do is have an external support system for people once they volunteer and it should follow them throughout their career. Should follow them for three years, five years afterwards, a year before they get out, should be working on integrating them back into society, so that they quit on friday and they start their new job, they should have Health Empowerment accounts that are subsidized so they can go to any medical facility and be taken care of. They can go to a v. A. If they want to. If we take carol of our veterans the right way, we wont have to ever worry about a draft again. Bringing up that subject, dr. Carson, of our veterans and for another question about our veterans, we go back to josh from wmur. Josh . Thank you, martha. None of you on stage tonight have ever worn a uniform as a member of the armed services, thats the reality of it. As commander in cheech,ief, you are charged with the care of veterans in this country. Some have suggested privatizing the v. A. Is a way to enhance the care. And access. Others say that veterans should carry i. D. Cards, allow them access to any hospital of health care provider. Governor bush, what specifically would you do to ensure those who have sacrificed for us are cared for . I totally agree that we need to give veterans more choices. Veterans card to be able to go to a private provider will enhance the quality of the Service Inside the department of veterans affairs. We need career several service reform. Only three people were fired after a waiting list were dropped where veterans didnt get care and people died. And Hillary Clinton says that thats acceptable . Because she is captive of the Public Service uniforms. The next president could fire people that are showing sheer incompetence. Someone told the story of their father who looked like he was 85, he got a bill eight years later from an operation he had, eight years, it took, they couldnt resolve the dispute and then he was told that he died. Literally, the Veterans Administration sent a death certificate to this guy. And it took nine months to clarify the guy i met him. Hes voting for me. And he is likely to be alive. This is this is outrageous. It is completely outrageous. So, giving veterans more choices. Creating centers of focuses on the true problems that exist. Dr. Carson is right. We need to focus on this veterans so theres a customized plan so people dont fall flu through the cracks. We can do this. Governor kasich, do you have a favored approach . Josh, i mean, clearly, when a veteran comes home, they should get health care anywhere they want to go. In our state, which is what we should do in the country, you know, if they drive a truck from kabul to kandahar in afghanistan, we say, you can drive a truck from columbus to cleveland and we dont have to go get a license. Were going to hand you one. And if you got expertise in the military, were going to give you College Credit or community College Credit for the things that you did for our country. And in addition to that, ill tell you, one of the biggest things i think has to be done and i would do it as president , the pentagon has got to work with the returning soldier, sailor, along with the family, and theyre the most valuable employees in the country. I call them golden employees. Everybody wants to hire a veteran. But there is a disconnect veteran when the veteran comes back. The veteran is a leader. The veteran is strong. The veteran is drug free. There should be no unemployment among veterans. If the pentagon will work with the veteran Services Agencies across this country, josh, we can get people jobs and we can get them jobs quickly, get health care, college education. Lets lift them. Theyre the greatest people defending the United States of america and we need to take care of them and we will. We will. Senator rubio . Well, my brothers a veteran. Were very proud of him in our family. He served as a green beret from 1968 through 1971. And as part of his training he jumped out of an airplane and he lost his two front teeth. For years he has dental claims. When he goes to get one filled, the v. A. Says, how do we know you lost your teeth in the army . He said, well, its the only i worked in a bipartisan way, we passed a v. A. Accountability bill that for the first time allows us to fire, allows the v. A. Secretary to fire someone who is not doing a good job, who is a senior executive. And the governors right. They have only fired three people up until now. More people will be fired if im president. But the portability part of it is incredibly important. Veterans should be able to take their benefits to any hospital or doctor they want to go to. When i am president of the United States, veterans will be able to take their benefits to any hospital or doctor that they choose. Senator rubio, thank you very much. Got to move forward now. David, martha, back to you. Josh, thank you. I want to turn to a family that New Hampshire voters know quite well, and senator cruz, the issue of hostages has been a very real and painful one here in this state. As we all know, james foley was killed, his mother said our government should be willing to negotiate. Arguing that families should be allowed to raise money for ransom. What would you say to diane foley tonight . Should families be allowed to well, i recognize it is an agonizing experience when anyone is facing a loved member who has been kidnapped, but at the same time, putting in place legal regimes that encourage the payment of ransom has the affect of putting a bounty on other americans. There is a reason it has been longstanding u. S. Policy that we dont negotiate with terrorists, we dont pay ransoms. If you look at what president obama has done over and over again, whether it was the James Bergdahl deal that was absolutely shameful, releasing five senior taliban terrorists to bring bergdahl back. Or if it was this recent deal with iran, where, again, up to 21 terrorists or potential terrorists were released or not prosecuted in order to bring back four americans, what that does is, it effectively puts a and women serving aboard, on american tourists traveling aboard, and the proper approach is a president and commander in chief that defends this country and that goes after goes after the terrorists rather than showing them weakness and encouraging them to target more americans. Senator cruz, thank you. Mr. Trump, what would you say to diane foley . Should families be allowed to raise money for ransom . Well, i know diane very well. Her husband and these are tremendous people. I spoke for them, i raised a lot of money for the foundation. I fully understand james, one of that was really the first that we saw, really visually saw, it was so horrible, and i will tell you, with all of that being said, you can not negotiate this way with terrorists. If you do, you are going to have many, many more james foleys. James was a great young man. His parents are incredible people. Theyve done such a good job, since his death, but you just cannot negotiate that way with have so many other james foleys. And one thing on the vets, during the last debate, i raised 6 million for the vets and i will tell you something i will tell you that i think nobody here, nobody on this stage, gets along with the veterans groups in New Hampshire better than i do, with all of the people that i deal with, and these are great people. The one thing that were not mentioning, theres tremendous fraud, waste and abuse in the Veterans Administration and if im running things, thats going to disappear and its going to disappear quickly. Mr. Trump, thank you. We want to turn now to social issues, and young voters and for the question from Mary Katherine. Thank you, david. Senator rubio. One of the lazier pieces of political conventional wisdom is that socalled social issues are hurting republicans with young people. But on the twomost prominent social issues, polling with millennials moves in different directions. On one hand, it is clear, young people across the political spectrum favor same sex marriage. The left on abortion. In fact, large numbers of them favor at least some modest restrictions that conservatives have supported. How do you speak to millennials on both these issues while democrats will charge intolerance and extremism . Well, first of all, i dont believe that believing in traditional marriage the way i do makes you a big got on a hater. It means that you believe that this institution thats been around for mill len ya is an important cornerstone of society. I believe, deeply, that marriage should be between one man and one woman. On the issue of life, to me, the issue of life is not a political issue. Its a human rights issue. It puts in conflict two competing rights. On the one hand is the right of a woman to choose what to do with her body, which is a real right. And on the other hand is the right of an unborn human child to live. And theyre in conflict. As a polly makicypolicymaker, i must choose. I have choosen to err on the side of life. Heres what i find outrageous. Five democratic debates. Single question on abortion and the democrats are extremists. Why doesnt the media ask Hillary Clinton why she believes all abortion should be illegal. Why does she believe that partial birth abortion, which has been outlawed in this country, she thinks thats a right. They are the extremists when it comes to the issue of abortion and i cant wait to expose them in a general election. Governor bush . I want to come to you. Your allies have attacked senator rubio for being too pro life to be elected in november. You made a similar charge in an interview. This is a pro life party. Do you stand behind that criticism . Im pro life. On this stage, im the most pro life person because i acted on it for eight years in the state of florida. Where we abolished partial birth abortion, where parents have the abortion. We were the first state to do a choose life license plate. We were the first state to have state moneys go to crisis pregnancy centers, which recently was just increased to 4 million a year. We created greater regulation on abortion clinics, where there were horrific procedures. Im pro life. Exceptions. Rape, incest and when the life of the mother is in danger. And so, that that belief, and my consistency on this, makes me, i think, poised to be in the right place, the sweet spot for republican nominee. And others may have a different view and i respect it. But i think we have to be cognizant of the fact, theres a lot of people that are concerned about having a pro life position without any exceptions. I do support i just believe deeply that all human life is worthy of protection. If im president , theres a bill but theres exception, ill sign it. I believe that all human life is worthy of protection. The issue of life is not a political issue. I want to be frank. I would rather lose an election than be wrong on the issue of life. Governor christie. You, too, have talked about senator rubios position on the life issue. Some conservative activists have called this line of attack harmful to the pro life cause. Ive been pretty helpful to the pro life cause in one of the most prochoice states in the uni union. We defended planned parenthood. For six years as governor, planned parenthood does not receive the money. 50 million is not going to do exactly what Hillary Clinton wants to have done, has advocated for. She believes that organization, which engages in the murder of children in the womb, in order body parts for sale on the open position. I dont care if you are a millennial or in your 90s, no one is for that type of activity, unless you are the most radical type of extremist on this issue, like senator clinton and her party is on this issue. Ill say one other thing. Fact is, that i believe that if a woman has been raped, that is a pregnancy that she should be able to terminate. If she is the victim of unzest,incest, this is not a womans choice. This is a woman being violated. The fact is, we have always has believed, as has Ronald Reagan, that we have selfdefense for women who have been raped and impregnated because of it or the subject of incest and been impregnated for it. That woman should not have to deliver that child if they believe that violation is now an nafting that pregnancy. Thank you, all. Back to you, david and martha. Mary katherine, thank you. Were going to have closing statements in a moment, but a quick lightning round. Come november, two battleground the super bowl. Governor kasich, who wins . Oh. Carolinas going to win that one. I hate to say it. Theyre going to win that one. Governor bush . Peyton manning is supporting me. Im for denver. Nor rubio . Well, i was going for peyton manning, but now im rooting for carolina. Mr. Trump . Carolina. With an eye to february 20th, carolina. All right, dr. Carson . With 100 certainly, i will predict the winner, it will either be denver or carolina. Governor christie, the last word . Denver. Denver. Thank you so much, gentlemen. Closing statements in just a moment, right here, as the abc news Republican Debate continues this. Ibsd. You know the symptoms when they start. Abdominal pain. Urgent diarrhea. Now theres prescription xifaxan. Xifaxan is a new ibsd treatment that helps relieve your diarrhea and abdominal pain symptoms. And xifaxan works differently. Its a prescription antibiotic that acts mainly in the digestive tract. 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The first issue that donald trump talked about right out of the box tonight, as well. He is the most searched candidate tonight. In every state expect New Hampshire, where more people are searching for marco rubio. Of the issues pertain to what was rubios tough start in this, the question of barack obama and barack obama know what hes doing. That didnt seem to be and the question is, the voters love to see him bashing Republican Voters love to see him bushashing the United States. He did that over and over and over again. He did. Closing statements coming up. Well be right back. Abc News Coverage of the new continue in a moment. Tt2watu s4 bt qop< tt2watu s4 a q \x tt2watu s4 bm qtwt tt4watu s4 dztq 0 t tt4watu s4 entq 4 tt4watu s4 gzt y l tt4watu s4 hnt i tt4watu s4 iztq dx tt4watu s4 jntq 148 tt4watu s4 lzt yd live from st. Anselm college in New Hampshire, here again are david muir and Martha Raddatz. We welcome you back to New Hampshireprimary, of course, is tuesday. But time now for closing statements. And we begin tonight with governor kasich. Over 100 town Hall Meetings and ive loved every second of it. Its been the greatest thing in the world. And i want you to know that youve changed me. Because ive listened to your stories and ive had your hugs and ive seen your tears. And ive seen you walk away and say, i now have hope. You know, ive had a conservative message, but a positive message, not just a conservative message, but a positive message about how we can bring people together. How we can restore americas strength, lift everyone. New hampshire, please give me a chance to carry this message forward to the United States of america. And then, i will come back. Thank you, loved it. And god bless you. Governor christie. Thank you. I spent the last 13 years of my life focused on one thinin serving the people who have serve them. Not about politics. Not about partisanship. But putting the people of my state and our country first. Im proud to have stood on the front lines of fighting the war on terrorism after september 11th. Im proud to have rebuilt my state after hurricane sandy. And im incredibly proud to be on this stage tonight with these men, asking for your vote. New hampshire, i spent 70 days here with you. Youve gotten to know my heart. My heart is to help you solve the problems of your state and the problems of our nation. If you give me your vote on tuesday, i will do just that. Governor bush . I want to thank the people of New Hampshire and i want to celebrate the birthday of a great president , Ronald Reagan, would have been 105 today. And president reagan believed in the future of our country. Had a hopeful message. Drew people towards our cause. Record to take our case to the American People. Because our philosophy is, by far, the best one, of limited government, of entreepeace through strength. I believe i have the skills to take our party to victory in november. I ask for your support on tuesday to keep america and make america, safer, stronger and freer. Thank you all very much. Dr. Carson . For many months, the political class, pundits, the media have tried to ignore or bury me. They say that politics is too complex and too sleazy. You cant survive. Well, guess what . Im still here. And im not going any place, either. And i believe there is still a place in our country for faith, integrity and common sense. Hundreds of thousands of you and i am going to, with the help of god and you, once again place the American People at the pinnacle with the government there to serve it. Thank you, dr. Carson. Senator rubio . Thank you. You know, this week, i had the great pleasure of having my kids join me on the campaign trail. I hadnt seen them in awhile. It was great to have them. But the most important part, it reminded me of whats at stake here in New Hampshire, in less than 72 hours. We are literally deciding what kind of country we will be like when theyre my age. What country they will raise their families in. Thats why im asking you for your vote. You vote for me and we will unite this party. We will grow the conservative moment. We will defeat Hillary Clinton and we will leave our children what our parents left us. The single greatest nation in the history of all mankind. Thank you. Senator cruz . Running for president says they will stand up to washington. The natural followup question is, when have you ever stood up to washington . Last week, we saw a powerful illustration of that. I campaigned in the state of ethanol mandate. Something else said was political suicide. Attacked me for it. The governor of the state said, vote for anyone but cruz, and lobbyists spent millions of dollars in attack ads, but i said, we should have no mandates, a level playing field, and the people of iowa put country and our children above the corporate welfare. We can turn this country around if we get back to the constitution and i will always stand with the American People against the byipartisan corruption of washington. Thank you. Mr. Trump. We wont say that. Our country that we love so much doesnt win anymore. We dont win with the military, we dont win on the border. You look at New Hampshire, with the tremendous problem we have we heroin. Number one thing i hear from the people of New Hampshire, who i love and developed such relationships, we dont win with health care, we dont win with trade. You look at what other countries are doing to us, china, everyone. Theyre killing us on trade. If im elected president , we will win and we will win and we will win. Thank you. Thank you very much. Mr. Trump, thank you. Thanks to all the candidates on the stage here tonight. Thanks to the people of New Hampshire for having us for this debate and to everyone at home, the New Hampshire primary is tuesday. George stephanopoulos and the powerhouse Political Team standing by, take it away, george. Thank you, david and martha. The debate is over. Donald trump got the first word tonight, he got the last word, as well. Says hes going to win, of i want to go straight to tom llamas in the spin room. You have been covering the trump campaign, covering all the republican candidates what are tonight . Orge, the headline is, what happened to senator marco rubio . He was so prepared for all of the debates. He knew he had a fight tonight, and he was not ready for chris him all week. From my conversations earlier with the rubio campaign, they were prepared for an attack with jeb bush. Bush didnt have to do it. Christie did it right. George . Ing 0, okay, tom. Im here with matt dowd. You could see the wheels turning for jeb bush after the exchanging between rubio and christie right at the start. He didnt have to go there. Im amazed at the turn of events in one week time. The favorite son from the last debate, marco rubio, who by everybodys accounts had won that debate, came in tonight and the favorite son was on the run, big chased by Chris Christie going to be chased by jeb bush. I thought this debate tonight was marco rubios worst at a time whereree needed probably his best and i think its hard to say who won, but i think rubio lost. Let me take that point to bill kristol. What rubios team will say, okay, maybe that exchange with Chris Christie was aittle shaky, but republican primary voters want to hear someone bash president obama. Thats what marco rubio did and the night. I like marco rubio. But people want to be sure hes ready to be president. Repeating the same answer and not realizing that he was repeating himself two or three times, really, in the course of a couple of minutes. When he was being accused of repeating himself. Think it damaged him. I think malt. Matts right. Cruz wins iowa. He did well. Certainly wasnt dominant here. Rubio soaring out of iowa, i think a pretty big stumble for him. John kasich, who ran, what, eighth in iowa or Something Like that, i think did very well tonight. Did well. Christie and bush were effective. Kasich stuck with the positive message. A establishmentoriented message. That could work in New Hampshire, where there are a lot more moderate voters. And coe key,kie, you saw donald trump hit a lot of different kinds of notes tonight, not simply out there bashing. Some humor, modesty think it was a good night for donald trump. I think he was rational. He seemed, you know, humorous at times. There were tweets that even his hair seemed more controlled. And he really was someone that people could look to and not be frightened by and bullying, except for a few little jabs at cruz and the carson thing. Him. Donald trump acted like a frontrunner tonight. Maybe for the first time in one of thehe debates. Hes been the frontrunner in all of them, but tonight, he acted like one. His harshest attack of the night was on the audience. And the audience wasnt with him in this debate. He rose above it. Which i think is going to benefit him. Most of the voters that heas are working class voters that feel left out of the system, that feel the establishment is control of the process. When he is booed by an audience who said were contributors, donors, part of the system, i think getting booed by the audience is going to help. I thought the mood tonight maybe im overreading, who knows, but was, who can govern. Which is why the governors were good. The governors saying for the last week, being in New Hampshire, which is a less angry state, i think, apparently than iowa. Christie if people are truly are undecided, really looking around for an alternative, thats one of the big questions. Thats whats going to address when we come back. Going to find out what the democrats are saying tonight, from seal see ya vega, who is well be right back. 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The dnc chairmanwoman sent out a tweet earlier tonight, saying marco rubio, notreadyforprimetime. Hillary clintons team is firing back on immigration and health care. These are going to be fights in the general election. The one thing i was struck by tonight, seeing this stage, was how few times Hillary Clintons name actually came up compared to past debates. You are right about that. I was struck by that, as well. Donna brazile here, as well. It is true that most democrats think that marco rubio would be the toughest candidate to beat, pretty early to count him out, though. Marco rubio did not come prepared tonight to make closing are still a lot of undecided voters. Tonight, he decided to run against president 0obama in 2008, not the president who may come. So, i thought this was a failed opportunity for him tonight. I thought democrats came off pretty good, because, you know what, they didnt really talk about us. Does this change your assessment coming into the debate, we were talking about earlier, three, four tickets out of New Hampshire. If everybodys bunched up in that third, fourth and fifth place, does everybody stay in . Well, i think it is interesting to me. What happens now is, there was a this race was donald trump had a doubledigit lead. Four people jumped up around second place. Out of this, donald trump keeps his lead. He didnt do anything to damage himself. But there is no way to tell who is going to finish second, third, fourth or fifth in the course of this thing. And i think what rubio did tonight, by not doing well, kept a lot more people in this race that would have gotten out. I think jeb bush, watching that fourth or fifth, jeb bush is thinking, this guy is not going to last. And jeb bush has his brother, former president george w. Bush, going to campaign for him in South Carolina next week. And of course he had his mother here. I think Chris Christie in many ways was the dominant player in this debate. The question is, did he do more than take out marco rubio . He went at rubio very effectively. Is that going to bring people to say, im going to vote for Chris Christie, or did he open up the opportunity for the other governors . He had been a little bit further back, coming in tonight. I think were going to see South Carolina now be the place where we all turn to, say, maybe this is what determines who the nominee is or who the top two are, because i think that this debate tonight is going to have New Hampshire looking at several of these people again and position. And the more people stay in, maybe even beyond South Carolina, you have all the votes on super tuesday, march 1st, the longer everybody stays in, the more possibility that this could go to the convention. Well, we know theres a lot i was witness to it when i worked for george w. Bush in 2000, when we went from eight points down to losing to 19 in all of three, four days. I think New Hampshire is going to play a fundamental role in this on tuesday night. We dont know. The difference between somebody finishing second and somebody finishing fifth is huge in raising money and all the things you have to do. And i think theres a bunch of people that could be second or fifth. Governor kasich clearly did himself a really bit of good tonight. He looks like the guy tonight who can go after independents and consolidate more republicans. And his message is Pitch Perfect for New Hampshire. And for trying to draw over those independent voters that can, you know, be decisive. Certainly were for you in 2000 when mccain came in and won the independents. We dont know how hes going to finish here. One of the questions for him, any of the candidates coming out of it, where do they win next . And with john kasich, will he be able to hold onto ohio, march 15th. Winner take all state. He can get a lot of delegates by winning it, but where is he going to take that message, as we talked about at the top. He said today, i should be running in the democratic primary. He was joking, but i know you guys fear him probably more than anybody else on that stage but can he get through a republican primary . Thats the kwee point. Ey point. Tonight, he had an opportunity to say, i care about cops, but also believe they should be held accountable for their actions. Hes more of a general election candidate. George, i think i dont think any of the republican establishment is ready for these words on New Hampshire night. Donald trump just won the New Hampshire priormary. That is very, very possible after this. That is true. When those words come out, we dont know what that does. Only a few seconds left. We had been dropping a little bit each day coming into this, you think he stopped that . I think he did. Right now, hes going to win unless something happens. See you tomorrow on this week. You cant pass minorities in one district. They got a little agree difficult frank a federal court rules on boundaries. What state lawmakers have to do now and how itll effect Western North carolinament republican president ial candidates square off in New Hampshire. Highlights for tonights debate that just ended. Tragedy in a Henderson County community. How a freak accident took the life of a young father. Now from Western North carolinas news leader, this is news 13 at 11 00. A Major Development in north