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Also, Syrian Refugees and america. Are there legitimate reasons to slow the process or is this just islamophobia . Joining me for insight and analysis are tom brokaw of nbc news, Kathleen Parker of the washington post, Colleen Cooper of the New York Times and ron fornier of the national journal. Welcome to sunday and a special edition of meet the press. Good sunday morning. The belgian capital, brussels, remains in lockdown with soldiers on the streets amid fears of an imminent isis attack. Police in that city are also searching door to door for one of the paris attackers who is believed to be hiding somewhere in the brussels area. Meanwhile, overnight in malaysia president obama struck a different tone than he did earlier this week and he addressed americans fears about terror specifically. Have to fight isil is to say that were not afraid. To not elevate them. That somehow buy into their fantasy that theyre doing something important. Theyre a bunch of killers. This morning well look at the isis threat from all the angles. How do we build an International Coalition against isis . Does the u. S. Strategy in the region have to change . And if so, how . How serious is the threat of isis to us here in the United States . How do we remain safe while not giving into islamophobia . And how will all of this impact the campaign for the white house in 2016. We have the top names on all those issues with us this morning. Well begin with efforts to keep america safe. This morning in new york city, a place and right now youve seen simulating how the authorities would deal with an active shooter situation in the new york city subway. Joining me from this exercise is the head of 2 department of Homeland Security jeh johnson and, no police chief bill bratton. Gentlemen, welcome back to meet the press for both of you. Good morning, chuck. Good morning. Secretary johnson, let me start with you. Theres a lot of chatter, a lot of unsubstantiated threats including one in atlanta having to do with a wrestling event tonight. What can you tell the American Public about any specific threats out there and how concerned are you . Chuck, let me reiterate what the fbi director and i have said before. We have no specific credible intelligence about a threat of the paris type directed at the homeland here. We are always concerned about potential copycat acts, home born, homegrown, violent extremism of the type that weve seen in recent months and years and so the exercise today is reflective of where we think we need to be and so this is also something supported by the department of Homeland Security through our grant making activity and so we want the American Public to know that were on the job, were vigilant and were continually reevaluating our security posture. Mr. Secretary, what can you tell me about brussels . The fact that the threat was so imminent that they shut down the subway system, the u. S. Embassy said shelter in place. I assume theres been some intelligence sharing here. How serious is that brussels threat and how concerning is that that its somehow related to something that might happen here . Were continually in touch with Law Enforcement p intelligence authorities in in paris and elsewhere and we monitor these things. As i said, were concerned about potential copycat acts, things of that nature, and thats why were out here today. Were continuing to be vigilant. Were continuing to monitor, reevaluate. Theres also a role for the public to play, too, chuck, this was in you see something, say something. Thats got to be more than a slogan. But in general with this Holiday Season coming up, we want the public to continue to go to public events, celebrate the Holiday Season, travel, be with their families and the like and to know that Law Enforcement, our intelligence community, our National Security officials are on the job overtime. Mr. Bratton, you just completed it was an active shooter exercise of mass transit and the new york subway system. When you look at what happened in paris and, frankly, how inexpensive that operation may was sort of a complicated cell but one that didnt use a lot of complicated weapons, does it make you change any tactics . Are you trying new things based on what you learned from paris . Well, what were doing here today, the video that you just showed of the exercise were engaged in, this is part of a continuing series of exercises. This was planned before the paris event but it has person is paris elements involved in it, including a scenario where a individual with a suicide vest. What were doing here today in conjunction with Homeland Security is testing out new technology, ballistics detection, video technology, communications technology, and building into it some of what weve learned from paris. Beginning back with the mumbai attacks many years ago, american policing and Homeland Security and federal agencies have constantly been adjusting with events, paris, mali, l bali, were building all of that into the exercises going forward. One of the most prominent events taking place is the macys thanksgiving day parade. Commissioner, what extra steps are you taking . Well, were fortunate that over the past year mayor de blasio here in new york has funded us to the extent that we now have about a thousand more officers that will be focused on counterterrorism and crowd management. We have a new response group, 800 officers. We have a new Critical Response command, over 500 officers. They will be out at that parade. For a change well have great weather, low wind, the balloons will be up. Were expecting about three Million People to be in new york city for that event. Its going to be a great event and it will be a safe and secure event. Secretary johnson, weve had a heated debate about the syrian refugee issue, but there talking with Law Enforcement officials, you hear that if congress did anything, youd like them focus on the visa waiver issue. Explain. Is it easier for an isis operative to get into this country to get a visa than it is for the refugee process . Chuck, the reality is that Something Like only 2,100 Syrian Refugees have been resettled in this country through a very extensive vetting process that takes Something Like 18 to 24 months. The Visa Waiver Program is something that weve been focused on, frankly, since ive been secretary because there are a number of foreign terrorist fighters who have gone into iraq and syria from countries in europe and elsewhere and so last year we enhanced the security of the Visa Waiver Program. This is a program where people in certain countries can come here without a visa. And weve been focused on enhancing the security of that. I ordered enhancements late last year then again in august and Congress Also is focused on this and i think that there are ways that congress should we eliminate the Waiver Program for a while . I would not do that at all. The Visa Waiver Program is very, very important to lawful trade, travel, commerce, a very Popular Program that people use virtually everyday. But there are security enhancements that we have made and we should evaluate whether more is necessary and im happy to have that conversation with our friends in congress. Theyre interested in this, too. Commissioner bratton, i want to ask you to react to something else. Washington, d. C. Police chief kathy lanier on 60 minutes tonight is going to make a recommendation that in an active shooter situation if somebody can take the gunman out either with a weapon or any recommends that you do that because police cant get there in time, the 9 11 call cant get there in time. In an active shooter situation more victims are going die in the first ten minutes before Law Enforcement gets there. Ive not heard that from a Law Enforcement official before. What do you make of that recommendation . Theres nothing new about that, that if somebody is armed in one of those scenarios and has the potential. But the reality is somebody with a handgun up against somebody with an ak47 is going to be outgunned and is putting themselves in serious risk. But at the same time, if the scenario allows for that, then certainly we would support that. But id like to go back to one of the earlier comments about congress. Congress really wants to do something instead of just talking about something, help us out with that terrorist watch list, those thousands of people that can purchase firearms in this country. Im more worried about them than i am about Syrian Refugees to be quite frank with you. So if Congress Wants to do something to help the Law Enforcement community and the American Public, lets start getting serious about doing something that they can actually do something about. Commissioner bratton, secretary johnson, thank you for joining me very briefly this morning. Thank you, glad to be here. Thank you. Now to the key diplomatic problem. Although there seems to be global consensus that isis needs to be wiped out, why is it so hard to build a coalition to do just that . Our chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel has been looking into angle to answer that question. Reporter the day the french now call black friday was isis terrifying breakout moment. The moment the world realized that the group is a global threat. Its a level of sophistication that took the Obama Administration by surprise. Well, i think there was a widespread belief that it was just another violent jihadist group. And that these groups were brutal and because of their brutality they failed. Isis turns out to be the most successful terrorist organization in recent history. Francois heisberg says Security Forces are struggling to keep up with the group he calls by the arab name daesh. We have yet to build up a skill base and a number of people need it to keep track of an organization as professional and as competent as daesh. Dust. Reporter but after claiming responsibility for the russian plane, the beirut bombings and now paris, isis has put itself in almost everyones cross hairs. France intensified its bombing of the isis capital raqqah and moved an eric carrier into the region. Russia is attacking isis, launching more cruise missiles, president obama promised to punish the group relentlessly. Washington has been attacking isis for over a year and iran and hezbollah have been at it longer than that. Why cant so many powerful nations and groups beat a terrorist army . One reason is obvious critics say theres no coordination and no war can be won without a plan. But whats worse, there are rivalries over the future of the land isis currently occupies, especially in the middle east. Saudi arabia and many of the United States other allies dont like the Islamic State but its destruction is not their top priority, its third or fourth down the list. Turkey, for example, is more worried about the kurds establishing their own state. Saudi arabia is more worried about iran and so on down the list. There are very few countries who share the United States desire a first order priority. Reporter many are wondering whether what happened in paris will be enough to shock the world into finding some sort of consensus, or will it take yet another terrorist massacre to do that . And isis is now threatening attacks in the United States. Richard edge until ngel in turkey. Thank you very much. Im now joined by leon panetta. He served as secretary of defense and director of the cia under president obama. Secretary panetta, nice to see you, sir. Let me ask with a very simple question is the president s current strategy against isis working . Well, obviously theres a lot of concern about whether or not weve deployed the resources to be able to accomplish the mission that the president described. I think the mission that he said is the right mission, which is to disrupt, dismantle, and destroy isis. But i think that the resources applied to that mission, frankly, have not been sufficient to confront that. And far or that reason we have to be muffin more ch more aggressive and unified to take on isis. In politico, one of the former counterterrorism advisors to president obama and president bush wrote this by any measure our strategy in iraq and syria is not succeeding or not succeeding fast enough. We are playing a more long game when a disruptive strategy is required. Basically the argument is maybe this strategy is correct but the speed with which its being implemented is whats wrong. Do you buy that argument . Well, i think he makes some very good points. Look, if were going to confront isis, you know, clearly weve been through acts of war these last few weeks that make it very clear that they are a clear and present danger not only to and were going to have to take some very specific steps here. One is to unify this effort. As Richard Engel pointed out, this effort is not coordinated. People are not working together. Everybodys kind of doing their own thing on different targets. We need to unify the command. We need to set a joint command center where all of these countries are together on their objective and secondly we need to increase our effort there. We need to increase the tempo of our air strikes. We need to organize ground forces, particularly the sunnis and the kurds and arm them so that they can take territory back from isis. And, frankly, we are need to increase special forces and our intelligence advisors not only to guide these forces but to go with them in order to ensure that we are successful in this effort. You know, you were not shy about criticizing the president and the strategy on syria. Im curious. Do you think wed be in a different place today if you criticized there was a failure to push the Iraqi Government to allow a residual force to remain in iraq . The decision not to arm Syrian Rebels in 2012 and the failure to follow through against assad when the president said he crossed the red line. Taken together, if any one thing had changed there, would we be in a different place today, mr. Secretary . Chuck, thats really hard to say because of the chaos that were seeing in syria. Weve gotten a awful lot of people that bear some responsibility there, including the United States. Assad is probably the primary villain for whats going on if syria. Iran bears some responsibility for injecting themselves into the civil war. Hezbollah is there. Weve got a number of opposing forces. A lot of extremists that are part of those opposing forces in syria. The problem with maliki who basically threw the sunnis not out of the military, added fuel to the development of isis and i think the United States by virtue of not getting involved sooner in trying to establish some kind of moderate force there, i think all of those are factors that have contributed to the situation that were facing now. All right, our panel is also here with me, my colleague tom brokaw of nbc news, Kathleen Parker of the washington post, times and ron foreignier ier fornier of the national journal. Tom, i know you wanted to ask the secretary a question. Ive been talking to National Security experts and theyve been saying the same thing. The president up to this point has been, to put it kindly, the commander in chief but not very commanding and theres a great deal of concern that on the other side, on the republican side, theres too much loose talk about putting thousands of american troops on the ground there, suggesting that the americans can get involved in a ground war. Role of the United States on the ground in that part of the world in your judgment . Well, tom, first and foremost i think the u. S. Has to lead in this effort because what weve learned a long time ago is that nobody else will. So the United States has to provide Stronger Leadership in trying to unify the forces that are there. In addition to that i think its very clear that we are going to have to commit Additional Resources to this effort. Weve got to have weve got to speed up our air strikes. Air strikes are great, were hitting some targets, but air strikes alone are not going to win here. What isis has achieved is the ability to gain territory. And its that territory, its the caliphate where theyre designing their ability to kind of now do outreach and attack other countries. The its been a year. Theyre still mosul. Theyre still in ramadi. Theyre still in raqqah. Those are the areas we have to go after in order to be able to defeat isis ultimately. Weve got to take the territory back and weve got to make sure that other countries are part of the effort to try to deal with isis. All of those steps need to be taken. On that specific front, actually, on territory, helene, you had a specific question on i do. But im also curious, mr. Secretary. Youre talking right now about unifying the command and unifying the antiisis effort. Given that two of the Major Players three of the Major Players on that field are the United States, russia, and iran and these are not three countries that actually get along, theyre very much adversarial how exactly do you propose we unify this command and unify this effort . Do you envision iranian and Russian Forces being under an how does this work . No, not really, because i think, you know, it would be nice to have the russians be part of that but im not sure they will and i dont think iran would as well. Countries. Im surprised they havent invoked article v of the nato charter. We invoked article v after 9 11, they should certainly do it now and be able to get nato and its military forces engaged in that effort. Secondly, we need the arab countries, the moderate arab countries, saudi arabia, uae, jordan and others to be part of that effort. Weve got to focus on that effort because thats doable. When we went into libya we had over 50 nations that were part of that effort. We had a joint command center at naples. Thats the effort we need to put together and focus on our objectives and what were trying to achieve. Russia, obviously it would be nice to have them as part of that effort but, frankly, i dont trust them in this effort at this time and i certainly dont trust iran to be part of that effort as well. Weve got to focus on our allies and the countries that work with us to try to achieve the mission that we need to go after. And very quickly secretary panetta, would you somehow prioritize isis over assad at this point or do they have to be pursued simultaneously . I think weve got to go after both of them. I dont think we can suddenly say assad you know, we shouldnt Pay Attention to him because assad is an International Criminal and we should not be part of an effort to allow assad to stay in place. But our priority here, our main focus now, ought to be in going after isis and making sure we defeat them. Theyre the clear and present danger. Theyre the ones we have to defeat if were going to be successful at protecting the american people. Director of the cia, always good to hear your wisdom on this, thanks for joining me this morning. Thank you. Much more on how we confront isis coming up. The politics of fear. How do we remain safe and still not give in to islamophobia. I want to surveil, i want surveillance of these people that are coming in, the bob dylan. To improve my language skills, i ve read all of your lyrics. You ve read all of my lyrics . I can read 800 million pages per second. That s fast. Themes are that time passes. And love fades. That sounds about right. I have never known love. A song together. I can sing. You can sing . Do be bop. Be bop do. Do be do be do. Do do do be do. Jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive [ male announcer ] some come here to build something smarter. Some come here to build something stronger. Others come to build something faster. Something safer. 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Well, chuck in the seven days since the parse attack weve seen mosques attacked here in the United States in omaha, nebraska, pflugerville, texas, that was 43yearold man in st. Petersburg, florida, arrested by the fbi for saying hes going to shoot and kill every single muslim child he sees and Southwest Airlines had two or three flights where are muslims were taken off of the flights simply because they were muslim so its been par for the course since september 11. I want to play weve seen the republican rhetoric this time. I want to play for sort of a comparison what youve heard today from some of these republican president ial candidates and what we heard from the last republican president on the issue of islam. Here it is. I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down and i watched in jersey city, new jersey where thousands and thousands of people were cheering. The face offer the or have er the of terror is not the true face of islam. Thats not what islam is all about. Islam is peace. That would be like saying we werent at war with nazis because we were afraid to offend some germans who may have been the members of the nazi party but werent violent themselves. This is a clash of civilization. When it comes to the common rights of needs and men and women, there is no clash of civilizations. If theres a rabid dog running around your neighborhood you probably are not going to assume something good about that dog. And we respect the faith and we welcome people of all faiths in america. War on terror or terrorists cause us to change our values. Arsalan, what did the Bush White House do behind the scenes to make sure they got this right . I. I think what george w. Bush said, he would be considered an outcast in todays 2015 Republican Party. We see people like donald trump saying that we should have a database of all american muslims. I wonder if the two members of congress, my buddy keith carson, would they need a mohammed database, with kareem abduljabbar, funniest guys in america, dave chappelle, special i. D. S for muslims, that would be similar to the yellow stars of david that people had to wear in nazi germany . What about a yellow crescent this time . Would it be helpful if Muslim Community leaders got together with these candidates . Requested a sit down of the a conversation to tone down the rhetoric . Asked them specifically to tone down the rhetoric and has anything taken place that you kathleen, during the 2008 president ial campaign when there were whisper campaigns going around of barack obama being a crypto muslim manchurian candidate, you didnt see anybody speak out against this until colin powell came on this show to tell his fellow republicans to shut the hell up. We need allies from outside the community to speak on the behalf of american principles of tolerance and pluralism. People expect muslims to speak out but its important to allies to speak out as well. I agree. I was simply thinking if you put those people on the spot, if they refuse to sit down and have a conversation thats one statement unto itself. Almost like a forum. Maybe a public forum. A public forum. Well, i wonder if this forum will take place in these american muslim internment camp which is i am sure will be the next statement and i hope you all come visit me in these camps because its getting absurd. Its beyond the pale that, you know, when ben carson says that muslims should not be allowed to be president , he clearly hasnt read the religious test clause of the constitution and so in many cases not only should these people not be allowed to run for president , they should fail eighth grade social studies. Another public forum is twitter and you asked why is it so many people put the french flag in their avatar but very few people put the flag of an feed. You answer that question. Why do you think so few people have rallied behind mali in that public of a way . I think the racism i think it has a lot to do with it. Off black predominantly Muslim Country in mali which is 90 muslim and then a white european country like france. Were obviously horrified at the pryce paris attacks but there are terrorist attacks that happen everyday. In the same week as the paris attacks there were suicide bombings in beirut, lebanon, in baghdad, iraq. But we never saw moral outrage. Dont forget nigeria. And nigeria as well. Is it simply racism. Think of putting the mali flag in my avatar. What does that say about me . Facebook created a photo tool for the people of france, that made it easier. But we have to have these conversations. Whats most responsibility that were letting this talk but these republican president ial frontrunners go unchallenged. When ben carson refers to refugees as rabid dogs and donald trump talks about these people and im going to surveil people and make them have special i. D. S and databases and people are cheering, when they dont see any meaningful pushback, it allows it to go unchallenged. The other thing that happens within the Republican Party apart from those who are running for president , theres been no voice on that side to challenge their own president ial candidate. And the president , i think, has made a mistake by just saying we know what were doing, trust us when theres pap he ought to engage the american people, dialogue, that goes from a statement from far off asia when hes talking about what we i think, though, theres also responsibility in the news media to make sure were covering these events, were covering happened. For instance, theres still no link between Syrian Refugees and the attack in paris okay . These guys are belgian and french nationals, theyre not Syrian Refugees, we dont a lunge yet all of this rhetoric, press a passport, theres a rumor of a passport. Thats it. When donald trump talks about security or ben carson, were talking about threeyearold orphans who are orphans and refugees because of american policy. Excuse me, but this week is a reflection of how our leaders are going to respond to the next 9 11 i really think were one major hit away from a national unraveling and i think of bill clinton who talked about at times of insecurity people would rather have a leader who is well, we have a lot of leaders right now, especially on the right side of the paradigm, who are very trying to pretend theyre strong and theyre very, very wrong. I want to give you the last word. Its important to keep in mind, there was a recent poll that happened in iowa amongst republican registered voters that showed that 33 of Republican Voters said islam should be illegal. Against the law. How do we change that . Thats public opinion. 56 of americans say it doesnt match american values. Is it education campaigns . Reeducation camps for adults. 59 of americans today believe that barack obama is still a muslim. I feel like Jerry Seinfeld needs to pop on and say not that theres theres anything wrong with that. Thanks for coming. My pleasure. Always good to have you on the show. Well have you again. Appreciate it, well have more you. When we come back, how much do the syrian refugee crisis to slip terrorists in the United States. The holes in our defense are not the great beauty of owning a is that you can create wealth through capital appreciation, and this has been denied to many South Africans for generations. This is an opportunity to right that wrong. Into the Affordable Housing space in south africa, with a fund that offers families of modest income safe and good accommodation. Commitment. And that gave other investors confidence. 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With microsoft cloud, we save millions of man hours, and thats time we can invest in our athletes, our work, and changing the world. Welcome back. This week the house passed a bill that could limit refugees from syria. In todays nerdscreen, well take a deep dive into the refugee issue into the United States. Heres how well start. Well start with refugees from since 2002, 2003 and 2011 respectively. Here are the numbers. The map shows the top states where refugees from these three countries have been settled when they first came to the United States. Its primarily faithbase and nonprofit groups who help the refugees decide where to settle. A lot of states from california, texas, new york, not a surprise. The bigger the state, the more likely theyll get these refugees. Now lets look at the big picture. Theres been nearly 785,000 refugees who have been admitted to the United States since 9 11. Only about a dozen roughly one one thousandths of 1 have been arrested or removed from the u. S. Due to terrorism concerns. None of those folks removed were syrian. The fact is, its not easy to get into america via the refugee process. Let me walk you through how this works just with syria. The United Nations has referred just over 23,000 Syrian Refugees of those 23,000, 7,000 of them were thought to be worthy enough to be interviewed by the department of Homeland Security. By the way, they have interviewed outside the United States. Of those 7,000, just 2,165 were accepted into the United States. Now, heres the issue the real vulnerability that u. S. Lawmakers may want to look into is not the refugee process, its actually those traveling to the u. S. On visas or with european passports. Let me explain. The Visa Waiver Program allows passport holders of 38 countries who meet certain requirements to travel to the United States without a visa, without a next level of vetting, that includes france, by the way, and many other European Union countries. What does this mean . Its important to remember all 19 september 11 hijackers traveled to the United States on some form of a visa. None of them were refugees. Its this visa program that needs to be looked into by congress. Back in a moment with isis and what exactly did john kasich mean when he called for a [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts, 800,000 hours of supercomputing time, 3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights. Whether its building the worlds most advanced satellite, the space station, or the next leap in unmanned systems. At boeing, one thing never changes. This is a story about doers, the artificial heart, electric guitars and rockets to the moon. Its the story of america land of the doers. Doin it. Did it. Done. Doers built this country. The dams and the railroads. John henry was a steel drivin man hmm, catchy. They built the golden gates and the empire states. And all this doin takes energy no matter whos doin. Theres all kinds of doin up in here. Or what theyre doin. What the hecks he doin . Energy got us here. And its our job to make sure theres enough to keep doers doin to keep us all doin what we do. Jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, welcome back. One of the most striking responses to the attack on paris was republican president ial candidate and Ohio Governor john kasichs proposal to create a new Government Agency to promote judeochristian values. Bit. Governor kasich joins me now. Governor kasich, welcome back to meet the press. I have to start with when you say that phrase, we have to promote judeochristian values around the world, particularly to the middle east, in this atmosphere, it sounds it can antiislam. That. Chuck, you need to calm down. What i have said is when i look at voice of america or radio liberty, what ive argued is the western ethic. What is it about . Its about life. Its about equality of women. Its about the freedom of religion. Its not about going to church is not what im talking about. Im talking about that every life has real meaning and as if you read more carefully you would have noticed that ive invited moderate muslims into this discussion as well. I proposed some time ago a comprehensive plan to deal with isis, including boots on the ground, a Coalition Including arabs, nato forces, nofly things. But i said we can win the battle of bullets, i have no doubt about that, but we have to also engage in the battle of ideas when we have many people, including many young people, looking for meaning in life somewhere other than in western civilization. Ethic, western civilization that is under attack. They dont want to negotiate, this is almost a metaphysical battle where theyre saying they want to destroy our very way of life. And i think its important we communicate these ideas of the importance of an individual and equality of women and respect for education and respect for science and well invite anybody in that wants to be part of that communication and, frankly, i am proud to see so many moderate muslims beganing to stand up and condemn the attacks in paris and hijacked. So i think its very important that we all come to grips with the fact that weve got to communicate who we are and while we believe in life, they believe that death somehow gets them paradise. Not any new agency, not anything about going to church, about who we are as the west that represents freedom and life and thats what we need to communicate to the world. Now, one of the criticisms, though, of making this about the west versus isis is youre leaving out a lot of people that would like to live in the middle east as muslims. Thats not true, chuck. And it becomes a clash of civilizations, this idea that its about a war against civilizations. Chuck, read bernard lewis. He will tell you there was a time when islam did represent science and progress and education and most of them do. So we not only want to go alone on this, but we want to agree and Work Together with people who share the view that the path to murder does not get you to paradise and, in fact, its the path to the elevation of the individual and the ability to yourself. Look, chuck, i tell you, i have been arguing all along we need a gulf state type coalition, including arabs. We need to work closely with the jordanians, the saudis. We need to work with the gulf states, the egyptians. We need to have a coalition and destroy isis on the ground. Ive argued for nofly zones that would include the kurds, would include also jordanians protecting these sanctuaries so these refugees do not have to leave their country. But im also saying that when we win the military battle what comes next . You all ask what comes next . What we have to make sure of is that we stop the radicalization of people and we can do it together. Everybody who believes in civilization and the western ethic and the ability to embrace the importance of the individuals lives here on earth. Are you concerned that the frontrunners in this race are basically casting all of the republican president ial candidates in an unflattering light theyre not casting me that way. But let me ask you, where is the outrage on some of the comments about rabid dogs . On the idea that, you know, hey i mean, whos who is standing up on this . Whats happening in your party, sir . Chuck, as you know, ive been in a virtual war with donald trump over these things. I flat out condemn the idea that we were going to have muslims register. I mean, i cant help that maybe you didnt have a camera out there, but i condemned it as soon as it came out of his mouth. So why is it working . Why do you think trump is working . Well, chuck, look, i dont know how much hes working and i dont know who theyre surveying and i do believe in polls like you do, but at the same time, who are they surveying and are these people for real . I dont think so. I think at the end when you dont have experience, when we look at this critical nature of foreign policy, i listened to a lot of what leon panetta had to say, i agree with much of it, much of it i already said. And the idea that were going repel an entire group on the basis of their religion, thats nonsense. As you know, ive been in a twitter war with donald trump and experience does matter and i why i have a solid plan to get rid of isis and rebuild our military. Very quickly, bill bratton, new York City Police commissioner, says he wants congress to ban the ability of anybody on a terrorist watch list even if theyre an american citizen that they can not buy firearms. Its a proposal sitting in congress, the nra isnt happy with it. Where are you on it . Ive never heard it until right now. Ive had a lot of respect for bill bratton but i will tell you americans want to defend themselves and what we need to focus on on firearms right now is making sure states use their databases to upload the people who have mental illnesses. And if we want to examine people on terrorist watch lists and not let them buy a gun its something that ought to be considered. Thats the first ive heard of. It governor kasich, i will leave it there. Stay safe on the trail. Well talk to you soon. All right. Let me bring in the panel. Tom, you were wanting to jump in there. I was just thinking to myself that governor kasich is about to become the most popular subject on the right wing social media circuit after that appearance here this morning. Why is that . Hell be taken on for challenging the idea that we have to have some kind of a security list for all muslims who come into this country and not have a relationship with them around the world. When you talk about a war on islam youre talking about a war on indonesia, most of the subcontinent of asia. So when he challenges that premise on the part of both donald trump and dr. Carson who are doing extremely well in the polls hes going to find himself a target on social media. You cannot underestimate the impact of social media in spreading a lot of not just the outrageous positions but flat out lies. When donald trump says he saw in jersey city thousands of people cheering the World Trade Center coming down, completely wrong. It did not happen. He didnt see it. But whos there to challenge him on that . Theres something that ted play it quickly because i was just astonished by it. Let me play this clip. Mr. President , if you want to insult me, you can do it overseas, you can do it in turkey, you can do it in Foreign Countries but i would encourage you, mr. President , come back and insult me to my face. Kathleen, can you imagine if barack obama or Hillary Clinton in 07 said that. President obama was really unpopular in the democratic primary just like barack obama is really unpopular in the republican primary. Theres a line here, though, did he cross one . It was a smart move for ted cruz politically. First of all, hes generally assumed to be the best person on the debate team. I have to be careful of my wording there. So hes inviting the president whos, of course, not going to say anything to his face, but he looks like the tough guy. Its just a little bit of a playground swagger. It works for his base. But isnt that the problem right now with this entire Republican Campaign . So much of what theyre saying is about swagger. Theres no consequence for them to say anything that they want to. They can make things up. They can go say flat out untruths and nobodys challenging them. Its very similar to that. I have to pay a quick bill and ill come back and ron will have one more word on this. Coming up in just 45 seconds, our end game segment. Ill share with you results. Yesterdays election for governor in louisiana which turned into a debate about covering your kid s eyes is one way to prevent them from seeing something inappropriate. Another way is to use Parental Controls on your tv, computers, and mobile devices to control viewing habits when you re not around. It s in your hands. The more you know. Time. End game time. Was it a referendum on prostitution or Syrian Refugees . Let me show you the results. Louisiana governor, the democrats won here but i dont know if they won. John bel edwards or the republican, david vitter, lost in this case. Ron fournier, if democrats couldnt win under these circumstances in the south they were never going to win. If democrats could only replicate this. If they could always have a progun prolife veteran run against a guy who cares more about hookers than he does about his job then the democrats might be able to do better. I dont think the hooker thing hurt him because hes been he was reelected to the senate. We can take governor mrs. Seriously than we take the senate vote. And bobby jindal hurt him too. He began running for president the minute he was in the governors seat and that probably didnt help him. I want to double back on what we were talking about earlier. I took a shot earlier but we have to realize were changing in a way that we have to be more responsible. We are more scared than we were since 9 11 and we trust our institutions less than we did since 9 11, we trust each other and with social media we have the ability to ghettoize ourselves, to only listen to the views we already agree with and demonize and attack everybody else. When you combine that with this vacuum we have with leadership, thats why i worry about what happens the next time we get hit. Are we as a people able to hold together . I dont want this broadcast to end without all of us dealing with the new reality. Were at war. This has changed. Paris has changed the place of america in this war against isis and its now a war and it wont be a ground war with the United States sending 20,000 to 40,000 its very complicated. Well have a greater presence in iraq to protect the Iraqi Government so it doesnt fall and then we have the same kind of division that we had in the past. We have to have more special forces in iraq to go against isis. Well have to control aerospace, no question about that. We wont get help for from our european allies this time. Its not like bush and baker when they went to iraq one. I would say to that that were not only at war against isis. I think what happened in mali on friday shows that we also are at war against al qaeda and theres a war, theres a battle going on right now between isis and al qaeda for supremacy and that is very scary. A lot of that has been i would say were damned if we do and damned if we dont. When we talk about trying to prevent radicalization, how do you do that when youre viewed as an invasive force killing more and more people . You well, the tricky part is we wont send the 82nd airborne against isis on the ground. Thats not going to happen. The fact is the president was what i would call benign neglect about the continuing expansion of isis, the more sophistication of it all the time. It these come to a halt. Very quickly. Its a generational conflict. You wrote about the greatest generation. We need to have more people having skin in the game. Do we have to have more service . We need to have this country understand they have to sacrifice some as well if we go to war. Not just send 1 of the population over there to make the fight. Im make that the last word because as you can see we needed 90 minutes and we tried to squeeze it into an hour. Well be back next week. Have a terrific thanksgiving, maybe our greatest american holiday. If its sunday, its meet the woman im here to engineer my future. Man im here for my students. Man to work with a bestselling author. Woman and a nobel prize winner. Man here because everyone deserves clean water. Man here for the cool research. Woman im here to shape the future of nursing. Man because the oceans matter to us all. Man im there to explore the frontier of knowledge. Man here for the commonwealth. Woman and the common good. Woman umass. Man here for a reason