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Interest . We still love each other very much. Somebody knew that we were like it. Whodunit . Everybody was a suspect. My stomach was in my throat. All of us were taken aback. It was really hard for my brain to wrap around that. It was early morning. Still dark, the spring air was a cold blanket around the pickup parked and running near the main street of little glendive, montana. At 5 20 the passenger side door opened, the woman stepped out, and hurried towards the entrance her coat disheveled. Her bra slung over one arm. The mans eyes followed her in the dark. Like moths to a flame. Crossing the sidewalk to her doorway, susie. Lightning in the bottle. They were all there. There at susies front door. Each one of them was part that crime scene. But how many and who . Who are the eyes in the dark that started that awful cascade of events of terrible things . I just dropped the phone and cried and cried and cried. I just couldnt believe that that could happen three times in one family. Sunlight in the bad lands of eastern montana is like nothing else. That unsullied sky, the vast rolling prairies dotted sparsely with tiny old hamlets in which friends and families have worked the same places for generations. Places like circle, population 600, susies hometown. She livened things up a lot. This is her elder sister. It was nice to have that little breath of fresh air in the family because the rest of us were a little more quiet. Susie was the fifth of six kids born to marlene and her husband jack, the county under sheriff. She loved the horses and she loved to go riding. Go riding quite a bit. Susies love of horses grew as she did and shaped her work ethic. Her sisterinlaw. She was not afraid to be out there shoveling manure or fixing a fence. She was a feisty thing. But if there was one word most used to describe susie, it wasnt so much feisty as she was very impulsive, so she didnt think a lot ahead. She just kind of went with the moment. And so when susie went off to a Technical School three hours away in billings and got herself a boyfriend, perhaps what happened next shouldnt have come as a very big surprise. It was shes pregnant. You get married. Thats just what you do. And so she did. They made a big happy thing of it. The whole family gathered in circle for a real Country Church wedding where susie introduced her parents and siblings to her new husband, a kid named marty. What was that like for you to . Finding out she was pregnant and things were going to be a little bit different than you thought. The whole family accepted it because it was susies choice. To a little girl named marya. Followed by a son, shea. Again, no real surprise. The marriage didnt last. She really loved her kids. They were really a big part of her life. When her and marty split, they were really everything in her life. So late 90s now, susie was working as a medical transcriptionist in a place called glendive, and thats where she met ted casey. He was the real deal, a grown up this time, a rancher 14 years older than susie. He had horses and boy, that was just right for her. Wedding number two. This was 1998. Ted dad. Then there were two more kids, girls. For almost a decade, the marriage seemed to be just fine, but by then susie was sharing he wanted to tame her, i think. I guess i kind of joke around and say that he wanted her to be home in time for the 10 00 news. He didnt want her to stay out and have fun. Fun was just beginning at 10 00. At the casey ranch, love started to feel like one more chore. I think they grew apart. They just really both changed. Then one liquid evening out at a bar things went seriously sideways. Ted got mad, dumped a beer on susies head, slapped her, and spent the night in jail. Not long after ted pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault. Susie was gone from the ranch. She wasnt very happy with ted and she was starting to make some good decisions to find some happiness again. Susie and the kids were living at the ponderosa apartments. In a little up to like this, people noticed what susie was up to. Liked her, but noticed people thought of susie as someone who was going through a time sowing some wild oats. She liked to have fun and she was having a lot of fun. Then it got to that friday evening in april. When she came in to see me, she was really happy and she had makeup on, which wasnt really a susie thing and that was great, so i knew something was up. So val watched as susie bounded out the door while the two teenagers fended for themselves. And susie headed out on the town. This girl has got to have a date tonight. And the very next morning mom, pick up. And increasingly frantic family called in to check on her, call me when you get the message. Susie, who always kept her phone within reach, did not answer. Susie caseys sudden disappearance, caseys sudden disappearance. Can the people she loved help solve it . I mean, what do you do . How do you find somebody . I was a detective. I was going to backtrack all of her steps. You could tell the house was dark and it was like an eerie feeling. Eling. Take in the sounds, from all sides, of an orchestra performing entirely for you. The Jeep Grand Cherokee, with active Noise Cancellation to turn any street into a symphony. Get 0 apr financing for well qualified buyers plus 500 bonus cash on 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee models. The most awarded, rewarding suv ever. Largest selection of new Serta Icomfort and beautyrest mattresses, up to 60 off. Plus, free delivery and up to 60 month financing available. Hes telling the truth. He is also telling the truth. I told you. Dreams matter at sears. The mattress shop. Its not a quick fix. Make beauty last. Roc retinol started visibly reducing my fine lines and wrinkles in one week. 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Sometimes you almost thought marya was the mom and susie the kid because marya was pretty grown up and smart. She was the somewhat more level headed one. Right. Soon phones were ringing all i thought this is silly. She went somewhere, the kids forgot, and its going to be a funny ha, ha. The kids were sufficiently independent to get themselves up and leave for their respective activities, but from susie not a word. Across town, sisterinlaw val hadnt heard yet that susie hasnt come home. We had a craft show in town and i thought she would want to come with me. When she didnt respond that morning, i thought that was kind of odd. When i was at the actual craft show is when i got the call from rusty. Rusty, vals husband, susies little brother. What did rusty say . He told me that the kids couldnt find susie when they woke up and that everybody was just really worried because this wasnt susie. She would never just not tell them. And she wasnt there. Vals next attempt to reach susie wasnt quite so calm. You need to call me back as soon as you get this message. Your dad is freaking out because we cant find you. I mean, what do you do . How do you find somebody . I was a detective. I was like i was going to backtrack all of her steps, and so thats exactly what i did. Val made some calls. Found susie had been drinking with friends the night before until about 11 00 p. M. For when she left for what was apparently a date with a new boyfriend, someone susie had just started seeing after her separation from her husband, ted. Vals mind was racing. I also thought she had maybe heart attack. An accident, anything. Her first move was i thought had to go to teds. Because . Maybe she was at teds and they had an argument and she couldnt answer the phone. Or maybe something happened over there. Maybe something happened. Exactly. Ted casey pleaded guilty to assaulting susie six months before. Thats why she moved off the ranch to the apartment, but when val arrived at teds place. You could tell it was dark and there was no cars there. It was like an eerie feeling. I just felt like i couldnt get out of the car by myself. So she decided to leave and picked up her husband rusty. The two of them got a key to susies apartment. They opened the door and heres what they found. This was a videotape the police made later. As we kind of walked through the apartment and really realized that she wasnt there, again that adrenaline burst something isnt right. Something isnt right. Its empty. Shes not there. Shes gone. So val decided to go find date with. The last person to be seen with her. His name was brad holzer. He would know where she was. Brad lived with his soontobe exwife less than apartment. Val drove over and knocked on the door. I said susies not home. We cant find her. Shes not answering her calls and were all really worried. Then i remember exactly what he said to me. What do you mean she isnt home . I dropped her off at 5 00 a. M. Thats when it hit were going to the police. Somethings not right. It certainly wasnt. The man whose marriage was breaking up the last man to be with her didnt know a thing. Really . Coming up, susies new boyfriend fields a few questions down at the station. Did you ever wonder about brad and whether he was capable when she went missing, i everybody was a suspect. Spect. Look at me like that, its gonna be amazing. This is a disaster whos the genius who puts a girl in heels on a subway grate . Miss monroe, eat a snickers. You get a little cranky when youre hungry. Better . Much better. This scene will never make the cut, morons. Now you can create your own tour of italy at olive garden, starting at 12. 99. Choose 3 of 10 favorites to enjoy on one plate. Plus unlimited salad and breadsticks. The best tour of italy is the one you create. Mornings. Wonderful, crazy mornings. 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That afternoon, val and her husband rusty drove over to the Glendive Police department. They sat down with then captain now chief, ty ulrick. They said susie always answers her phone, always. I went to my office twice and tried to call and the voice mail. In a town the size of glenn dive, the police were keenly aware of her history. The hands of soontobe exhusband ted casey. Then val told the chief, susies life had just become more complicated. The night before she disappeared said value, susie was with another man, a guy named brad, who she said she was crazy about, and who had to have been the last person she had seen before she vanished. Did you ever wonder about brad and whether he was capable when she went missing, i wondered about everybody. Everybody was a suspect. Your mind continues to play and play and play different scenarios of what could have happened and where she is. And well, that question remained unanswered. Brad holzer came in for an interview. Brad told the police that he and susie actually had quite a long history. How long have you known susie . Well, we went out in high school. She was 16. I was 19. Probably went out for a couple of months is all. Then they lost touch for nearly two decades until st. Patricks day 2008 just three weeks before she disappeared when their eyes met at a bar downtown. Out of the blue, came up to me. I knew who she was right away. Recognized her immediately. And in the weeks since, brad said he and susie spent every possible moment together, though given their kids and their respective tangled marital issues it was complicated. The night before she disappeared, said brad, susie had been drinking with a couple of girlfriends before he picked her up and they drove out of town to sit by the Yellowstone River. Then thats where we were 5 00 a. M. We drove out there and parked and did the same thing we usually did. Talked, kissed, stuff like that. It was just about 5 00 in the across the street from susies apartment. Did you guys make out . Probably for about five minutes. She got out, walked back to her across the street to her apartment. I know she was at least halfway across the street before i started backing out. She was that close to getting in that apartment. Brad swore he drove straight home and went to bad. Then brad cast suspicion elsewhere. Brad, do you know where susans at . I have no idea. I wish i did. Where do you think she is, if you had to guess . My guess would be ted. He had a hand in this somehow. There was one more thing, said brad. Somebody sent him a weird email the morning before he has last date with susie. Maybe ted was behind it somehow. It reads, hows your girlfriend . It . The sender a Denise Johnson. Still in the dark as to who sent that and who the hell Denise Johnson is. That made the cops ears perk up. A missing woman, email. Theres somebody out there. Some jealousy probably. I needed to find out who sent those emails. So they told brad dont leave town, and they set out to talk to susies soontobe ex, ted casey. So much pressure. After a while, it explodes. The scorned husband in the interrogation room. And details of a confrontation with susie. I wasnt happy. Your thoughts about ted were not very friendly ones at that the nissan rogue. With the power and performance drive. Now get a 189 per month lease on the 2016 nissan rogue. Across america, people are looking for the one thing that could make all the difference in the world. A chance. Its how we do things. By creating opportunities for individuals to choose. To save. To earn. We also create opportunities for communities to transform. One life lived better at a time. Save money. Live better. Walmart. Even ragu users chose prego homestyle alfredo over ragu classic alfredo. Prego alfredo . why cant everything i try be this great . 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We had fourwheelers, airplanes, helicopters, people on foot, and nothing. Meanwhile, they processed susies chevy trailblazer for any sort of evidence. Same in her apartment. And found nothing. Nothing of particular importance anyway. Then they had a look around outside susies Apartment Building and found something kind of curious. A couple of curious things actually. One was a shoe print in the alcove of the building next door to susies place. Over in the alley, maybe 40 or 50 feet away, looked like something had been dragged, something heavy along the ground near the dumpster. Anything to do with susies disappearance . Maybe the rejected husband could tell them. Ted casey. The morning susie vanished, he went to work, helped his brother with a project, then went to a rodeo. So by the next day, police were very eager to talk to ted. Your thoughts about ted were not very friendly ones at that point. No. Ted had reasons to be upset the woman was leaving him. He was angry, humiliated. A costly divorce was looming. Child support to pay. First, they asked ted about that incident in the bar the night they arrested him and put him in jail. I poured a drink on her head. Barely slapped her because she threw herself on the ground and we were both drinking. It just happened. But, you know, i suppose you get to such a so much pressure and after a while, it explodes. Explodes . Ted insisted he had last seen susie about 7 00 the evening before she disappeared when she dropped off the two little girls at his house for the night, but ted did admit that he confronted susie on the phone a couple hours later after receiving a around 9 00 p. M. What was said . Just that. Brad holzer or whatever has been screwing your wife. Click. Brad holzer, susies boyfriend of three weeks. What did you think about that . Well, i wasnt very happy. I mean, i called her up and said, hey, whos this brad holzer or whatever . I said, i just got a call that youve been doing him. Oh, no, no. Id never do that. Ive never cheated on you. I said we are still married even together. And i just hung up the phone. Well, she called me right back. Then she admitted that she knew the guy. She knew who he was. And that was about the end of the conversation. Was he upset . Yes, of course, he said he was and yet ted told his interrogator he fell asleep right away. Then got up around 5 00 a. M. To do chores and drop off his girls with a babysitter and meet a coworker at city hall by 6 00. I was thinking it was like 10 ten to 6 00 or something when i got there. Ted drove past susies apartment. He admitted as much on his way to that meeting at city hall. Put him around her front door minutes from when she went across the street dishevelled. Brad. The very time she vanished from the face of the earth. As the Glendive Police department checked out the story, ted went home to look after the two youngest girls, who are living with him fulltime, while marya and shea went to live with val and her husband. Marya was just tormented. She didnt know ha to do with herself. She was so close to her mom. It was just really, really hard for her. Harder and harder for everyone as day after day the search for susie produced nothing. As time went on, it was clear that she wasnt around anywhere, so it was just a really scary time. What were those days like . They were pure hell. You just sat and wait and wait for the phone to ring. Then nearly a month after susies disappearance it did. The hardest day of my life. By the river and another discovery down at the station. Brad holzers wife. What was she doing there . Honestly, am i a suspect . Even more lobster . You get hungry. And you count the seconds until red lobsters lobsterfest is back with the largest variety of lobster dishes of the year. 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The authorities came and told us it was her body. I didnt let my emotions just run with it because i knew we had those children downstairs. The older two, marya and shea, 14 and 12. Carlene is the one who told them. I think thats the hardest day of my life. And ive had a lot of hard day, but that was the hardest i think. Word spread that susie had finally been found. Glendive mourned and relaxed in some degree. I think it was almost like a sense of relief. We found her. We can see what happens. By this time, agents from the Montana Department of criminal investigation had been called in to help the police. This is one of the agents. We determined from the water, so it was not a drowning. All right. So she was killed first. Thats correct. The autopsy revealed that her hyoid bone was broken, which was consistent with strangulation. Strangled . When and by whom . This time, brad, the last person had been interviewed time and again. When she left, she was wearing my white sweatshirt. They talked repeatedly to brads wife, though she and her husband maintained they had no motive to kill susie. They were headed for a divorce, but how did she feel really. After all, they were still living together. Did brads wife, who might be considered the odd woman out in a love triangle, have a reason to kill susie . Honestly, we have a variety of suspects. Brad are. But brads story didnt change. He and susie were out all night. He dropped her at her apartment at 5 00 a. M. Then drove a few blocks home and wept right to sleep. His wife insisted that was true. Said she came home from a date of her own about 6 00 a. M. And found him already asleep. I went in, and the bedroom door was closed and i look in, and he was in bed sleeping. But brads wife added to the mystery as well because it turned out she, too, claimed she got a strange phone call that week, the week susie disappeared. They said, can we leave a message for brad . I said okay. They said, tell him to stop messing around with married women. And i said, what are you talking about . And then she hung up. So it was a female . A woman . This was getting stranger by the minute. Brad said a female named Denise Johnson sent him an email asking him how his wife felt about his girlfriend. What police really needed was something concrete, something physical to prove brads whereabouts to back up his store and clear his name. It was like we decided to and there it is. A u. S. Bank branch just a couple of doors down from susies apartment. Of course, it had a camera on its atm, so they asked to see the video and what do you know. Very grainy and extremely hard to see clearly, it appeared to back up everything brad said. Early in the morning just before 5 00 a. M. , 4 52 to be exact, you can see a pickup pull up across the street from the ponderosa apartments. We see brad holzer pull up in his vehicle on the security him in that vehicle for a period of time over 20 minutes. The dome light comes on. We believe thats when susie exits the vehicle. This was about 5 19 a. M. Then brads pickup pulled away out of frame. So when brad holzers wife was interviewed, she had been out all night. She comes home and said when she got home at 6 00 a. M. , brad was sleeping. We have a timeline from 5 29 a. M. And 6 00 a. M. Where brad holzer has to commit this homicide and hide the body or hide the body and dispose of it later. We didnt feel brad had much of a strong opportunity or much of a motive to murder susan casey. To hear that was quite a relief, as you might have imagined, to brad who has played the scene countless times. Saying good night to susie and inside the apartment door. In hindsight, it bothers me that i didnt wait and watch her, but theres no reason that anybody should be there. It was 5 00 in the morning. The whole town was dead. I just remember needing to get home, wanting to get home as soon as possible. I didnt cross my mind that anything would happen or anyone was there. A gallant little gesture he didnt make. Brad holzer has all kinds of time to think about that. Sometimes i think about her, yeah. I wondered what we could have been doing right now. There could have been a future there. Susie was laid to rest on a sunny day in may 2008 in a Little Cemetery outside her hometown. No one the slightest aware of how much more was still to come. Seems like you didnt make it home last night. An angry message from susies husband ted and a closer look at you know you were a person of interest. Yes. What exactly did he do the morning of the murder. For adults with an advanced lung cancer called squamous nonsmall cell, previously treated with platinumbased chemotherapy, its not every day something this big comes along. A chance to live longer with. Opdivo, nivolumab. Opdivo is the first and only immunotherapy fda approved based on a Clinical Trial demonstrating longer life. For these patients. 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Actually, i called susie. Whatever time i called her, i left city hall then. Yes, indeed. Here is the angry voice mail ted left. Well, susie, i just called marya. Seems like you didnt make it home last night, so maybe what somebody called me and said maybe is true. Youre doing somebody else. So once again, it seemed those age old motives pointed at the husband. 90 of the time you would be right. But was it possible that ted could be the exception that proves the rule. Ted was, in fact, at work that exactly when he said he was. If he did commit the homicide, wouldnt have enough time to dispose of the body. Remember, they found susies body in the Yellowstone River 20 miles upstream from glendive. They pulled out the atm video by susies Apartment Building. Ted said he dropped his off about 5 45 a. M. Ted drove to city hall to work. Its a small town and city hall is just blocks from susies place. Ted said he drove right past her apartment and sure enough. We could see a vehicle driving by at approximately the time ted said she drove by the ponderosa apartments. The time . 5 52 tam, just like ted told the police. So hes basically got a 15minute window where hes dropping his kids off and then he drives to city hall and works given how close together everything was, wouldnt have taken much time to kill susie, hide her body, and retrieve it later for disposal. Possible . Quite, thought police. Mind you phone records seemed to back up what ted said about calling susie the night she went missing. The angry message he left on her voice mail, the time stamp proved it was hours after she vanished. Either ted was trying to fool police with the voice mail and his public movements that morning, or he didnt have any idea what happened to susie. And therefore this time the husband didnt do it, if he was telling the truth that is. You know you were a person of interest. Yes, and you can expect that. Sure, but how was it to be treated that way . It doesnt feel good. Every place you go, everything you do youve got people watching, talking, pointing. I had nothing to hide from, so did the Police Believe that . Youd think if they did believe him, theyd make some sort of announcement that ted was in the clear, but they did not and so it was awkward, especially when they were looking for susie. Did you take part in the search . I did. What was that like . Its kind of a tough situation. You know, what happens if you find her if youre by yourself and you find her . That would suggest you knew where she was in the first place because you put her there. Ted was still a target of the investigation and also quite suddenly a single parent of two little girls, age 6 and 8. Six days seemed like six months. You werent sleeping much. I had headaches every day for so how do you tell a little girl that her mother is never coming home, that shes dead . I guess i just told them. Howd they take it . They broke down. You know, they didnt let me out of their sight for quite a few days. I can imagine. And especially when it came nighttime. They were glued to you. There was, remember, an insurance policy on susies life. Ted was the beneficiary. Wasnt a lot, but they cut the check and ted casey cashed it. What did you do with it . Paid her funeral expenses and what was left, i split four ways between the four kids. Could have kept it. Could have, but thats not the right thing to do. Was it enough to be very much help to the kids . You know, there was probably maybe 3,000, 4,000 left after funeral expenses, but it helps. So does ted sound like a guilty man . But if it wasnt him and it wasnt the boyfriend, brad, then who killed susie . And why . Please call me. Im worried. A mystery caller. Someone was desperate to reach susie. Really kind of obsessive. Boy, this is something we need to look at here. R Medicare Part d prescriptions, walgreens says, carpe med diem. 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Who owned those eyes in the dark that watched susie casey in the moments before she disappeared . Mom from the first moments, susie casey hadnt come home as you know, everybodys looking for you. Give me a call. All of them tried calling the woman who never went anywhere without her phone. Hello. Just me. That phone was her lifeline, as susies brother rusty and his wife val said in their i thought lets see which phone calls she had. That is when a very strange story began to emerge. Thats where we had seen all those phone calls from a number we didnt know who it belonged to. A number nobody recognized calling susie again and again all night long, but did that mystery caller leave a message . Neither val nor rusty knew how to access susies voice mail. But they did know who just might. When i called and asked marya if she knew how to access her voice mail, she said yes almost instantly. Ty was sitting across the table from us. The messages started to play. If you dont call me back over and over again it was the same voice. I would love to hear from you and make sure everything is okay with you. I dont know what to do. You wont answer me. Really reminding me of when youre a teenager and you have your first crush and the guy or the girl goes to call them the next day and they dont answer. Usually most of us would stop. Please let me know youre okay. But as a teenager, your emotions arent really under control. Theyll continue to call and call and call. It was like that, but the messages just continued to get closer together and just more desperate. Please let me know that youre okay. Please. Everybody is very worried about you. I thought that this guys strange to call that many times and really kind of obsessive. And were all worried. Call us. Yeah, who was he talking about . More to the point, who was this guy . Who was he to susie, and why in leave not one or two or four or six, but 22 voice mail messages for susie . Please call me. Im worried. And then val suddenly knew. Susie had only hinted at it, but there was another man in her life. Someone from her past th whom she had reconnected as her marriage to ted fell apart. This man, her long ago first husband, the father of her two older children, marty larson. Did she talk about him at all . I knew that she had had a previous marriage, but i didnt know anything more beyond that. Marty had been out of susies life for nearly a decade. No contact, no child support, nothing. But then in 2007, marya, curious about her biological father, found him on the internet and reached out. Marty came to visit a time or at least once, susie took the kids to see him three hours across the prairie in billings, montana. Her parents were among the very few people who knew. They were not happy. We got into an argument. I said susie, you dont want to do this. I said the family isnt going to really go for this, and she said, you mean everybody is going to disown me, so i just backed off. I said im not going to lose my daughter over him. And that was the end of it. How serious it got, nobody knew really. Maybe they were just friendly. Maybe it was more than that. Now investigator ulrick typed marty larson in the database. And it popped up. Id seen criminal trespass. Remember, she married ted pretty quickly after she left marty in 1998. Apparently marty drove three hours down the highway from billings to glendive and turned up outside the newlyweds house with a shotgun. It was never clear what he intended to do with it. He was convicted with criminal trespass and was slapped with what lifetime restraining order. No contact with susie or ted ever. At that point in time, i had a little red flag go up. Boy, this is something we need to look at here. You could tell by the 22 phone messages. Marty and his given first name was walter was very worried about susie. Desperate even as those nighttime hours went by without a word from her. Marty lives three hours away in billings, so was that where he was calling from . One surefire way to check that out was check the cell phone towers. We looked at martys cell billings all the way to here. Oh, susie, where are you . Where are you . Marty has a revelation for police. Were you thinking that you two would get back together . That was the plan. An. Te were extending our 50 offer so you can save on most verizon, at t or tmobile rates. Money we saved a lot of money the Sprint Network is faster. And, were more reliable, with better coverage than ever. I like sprint because of the reliability. My movies download much faster. Sprints network is. [ snaps fingers] fast now, save 200 instantly when you get the Samsung Galaxy note5 or gs6, and trade in your smart phone. So switch today. Are you powered by protein . 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And in martys apartment there was an empty bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in the kitchen garbage. Detectives looked at the toilet in the residence. The toilets didnt look like they had been recently cleaned, yet we had an empty container of lysol bathroom cleaner. That wasnt all they found in the garbage. There was this. It appeared to be a list of expenses, as if someone was planning quite seriously for a las vegas wedding. A breakdown of the trip for lodging, paying for a minister to marry them, and the return trip home. When investigators asked marty to take off his shirt, they saw scratches on his back. How in heavens name would he have gotten those . Some struggle perhaps . While the search for susie is going on still, the agents suggested they all sit down for a little q a and marty said sure, but first . Sure. Am i under arrest for something or being charged with something . No. Marty said he and susie had reconnected the year before mostly for the children, but right away, said marty, they fell for each other all over again like true soul mates. That time ten years prior when he took a shotgun to ted and susies house all forgiven. He was a different man now. The ten years we were apart i spent thinking she hated me and she spent thinking i hated her. In fact, we still love each other very much. Were you thinking you two would get back together . That was the plan. So said marty. Just before susie went out the night she vanished, he talked to her on the phone. I told her before she went make sure you eat, make sure you dont drink too much. You dont need to get a dui and get in trouble like that. She promised to call him back later. About it. Its okay. Wake me up. After all, said marty, they were a couple again. It was his business to worry about her. And when she didnt call then i called her at 12 30 because i hadnt heard from her. If you dont wont call me back by 1 00 i didnt know if she had gotten arrested or what was going on. And then i thought im going to go out there and see if shes okay, make sure that she got home. What time did you leave billings, do you recall . About 1 30ish. Sure enough. When police pulled video at the blue basket where marty said he gassed up, time stamps said 1 39 a. M. So he drove, he said, calling and leaving voice messages for susie during the entire 220mile trip. I just need to hear from you. Im worried. Expecting to hear from susie saying im fine, dont worry. Dont come. But susies call never came. What time did you get into glendive . 4 30, 5 00. Again, true. His cell phone pinged off a tower. He said he parked around the corner and walked to her apartment. Her car was parked outside as if she was home. I went in the building. I knocked on the door softly because her bedroom was near the door hoping it would wake her and not the kids. Hoping shed come and tell me she was okay. And there was no answer, so i went out and called and texted a few times, hoping to wake her up. So did you ever encounter susie at all . No. Okay. I wish i would have seen her. Arrive just before 5 00 a. M. With brad. Didnt see what they were doing in her truck. But he did leave town, he said. Video from another nearby bank seemed to back him up at 5 45 a. M. Leaving one last frantic voice mail. Just hoping to hear youre okay. Police are paid to be skeptical. Theres no doubt in my mind you saw her this morning. No, i didnt. And when detectives asked him why his mini van was so freshly washed on the way up there, i did kind of have one sort of major there was a deer in the road that i hit and there was a bunch of deer stuck to the bottom of it. Okay. So i went and cleaned the bugs off of that. Hoping the drive through car i didnt do a very good job a deer . Really . But did you check into whether or not he actually did hit a deer . We did. We checked with the highway patrol. It was consistent with a deer. It was not a live deer he hit running. It was laying in the interstate. When they tested the tissue on the van, sure enough it was not human. It was animal tissue. But then when police asked if there was anyway theyd find susies dna in, on, or under the van, marty said something as he often did that made police wonder. Well, i guess what im saying is what i know is my thought is that was a deer. I guess i dont know for certain that it couldnt have been her. Would he try to tell police he ran susie down . Is there something you want to tell us . No, i havent done anything. From underneath that van. Its deer as far as i know. And if that wasnt weird enough, as the detectives left the room oh, susie, where are you . Where are you . Those kids need you. I need you. I love you, susie. Just wish i knew where you were. Marty was now the prime suspect, the man in the crosshairs. But suspicion is so easy. The real question was did he do it. 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Sc johnson once susies family found out that her exhusband marty larson had been in glendive the night she disappeared, reaction was quick and to the point. If i knew all this ten years earlier, i would have taken him for a ride. Heres what most thought right away. It didnt add up that it was brad and it didnt add up that it was ted. But marty, perhaps . There were signs like those obsessive voice mails and the bank video and his own admission that he opened to reunite with susie. The probability he saw susie canoodling with brad. The minivan washed on his return home, and yet marty larson was not arrested. Really, really hard for the family. What was your expectation . That they would look at this material they had and just go and arrest marty . I guess i anticipated these things would move forward and who was responsible would be held accountable and time just kept on going. The thing is at that point susies sisterinlaw val and rusty were still hearing marty and ted were both suspects. At the time, susies two yupg hes kids with ted and the older two living with val and rusty. It was extremely difficult for shea and marya both. I remember we were so excited for him to have his own bedroom, his own space, but at night he couldnt sleep in his room. He had to sleep with marya. Because . To come and take him. His own father . I dont think he ever really called him father. I dont think any of us really did. I think he was just afraid of marty. Val had a newborn of her own to go along with those extra responsibilities, and an overwhelming sadness that seeped into her bed, her kitchen, her life. An unwelcome house guest that simply refused to leave. My son was 4 months old when susie was taken from us. I dont remember him walking. I dont remember those moments i should remember as a mother. Meanwhile, the investigation was stuck in the weeds. I was thinking couple months and were going to have an arrest and we just couldnt have the pieces at that time that we needed. 2008 went the way of all ted kept to himself. Marty moved, left billings, went to phoenix, got a job. And at home in glendive, susies brother, vals husband rusty, was having trouble with the rage. Susies death consumed him. When he went to sleep at night, he told me one night that he just wanted to stop feeling. I think it just haunted him that he felt he could have done something. And by the time a representative at the Attorney Generals Office met with the family, many felt they were teetering on the edge of sandy. Still wondering, marty or ted . What was the hold up . That day i asked if she could tell us, as a family, that ted was no longer a suspect because the two little girls were living and shea were living with me. I just felt like i was the only person trying to salvage the relationship with the little girls and their siblings. And i just really wanted her to kind of crush that wall down and say that he wasnt a suspect and her response to me was that the case is still moving forward and hes still a suspect. Thats quite a thing to hear. Yeah. I just felt like i really needed to hear that at that time and i didnt get to hear that and that it was still possibly he could have had involvement. Ted, who still under a cloud of suspicion, believed that marty killed susie. There was a lot of nights i didnt sleep real good wondering if somebody was going to show up in the middle of the night with a gun. A plan to do what prosecutors and Police Officers seemed he was going to get justice for our family, even if he had to do it himself. What did you mean by that . He had made several plans about how he was going to kill marty, take martys life just like marty took susies. What would you say to him when he said things like that . That the case was moving forward and that wasnt something that he needed to do, that we had a son and his son needed him and me and that he couldnt leave us. Eventually, it all came to that anyway. First, val and rusty divorced. Then in november 2011, three and a half years after the night susie was murdered middle of the night. It was impossible to believe that. Old committed suicide. Weve already lost susie. This cant be happening too. So it was really hard for my brain to wrap around that. So jack and marlene went to the Little Cemetery in circle to lay another child to rest. It crushed them and then to lose their two youngest. It just seemed like they aged 15 years. Do you think rusty would be around today if they moved quicker on that case . I try not to go there. I mean, theres all this whatifs. It wasnt long after her rusty was put in the ground a new county attorney was elected in glendive. Youve already met her. I felt we had a duty to give some explanation to jack and marlene and their family as to what was going on. If the case was going to go somewhere or it wasnt, they couldnt be left dangling out there. And they certainly were dangling. Absolutely. If that were all, the hope for an answer and justice might have simply ended there. But one morning as olivia was settling into her new office, there was a knock at the door. A man had come to call and he smiled and said hi, im brant light and were going to try a homicide. My stomach was in my throat. An arrest at last and new anguish that no one in the family saw coming. It hit you pretty hard, didnt it . Yes. Re of business and take care of the people who matter most. So when your tax refund arrives, make it go a little further at walmart. From electronics, to home decor, even tires, get low prices on everything tax refund. Walmart. Why do i cook . Because i make the best chicken noodle soup. Because i make the best chicken noodle soup. 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I took her position and i told my team, lets look really hard at this. Months later after a really hard look, i thought it was a great case. I thought circumstantially it was overwhelming. Then brant light met with patience and promised he would issue an arrest warrant for marty larson. I saw my family and their family, a good strong family, and to have this death occur, to her get out of a car and never make it to the front door 20 steps and we cant explain to them what happened in those 20 steps, i thought they deserved to find out. In february 2012, four years after susies murder, a phoenix s. W. A. T. Team descended on martys apartment on his way to work. Back in glen dive, a certain exsuspect ninely relaxed. When you knew he was under arrest and in jail, how did it change your life . It took a lot of stress off me. Mr. Larson, im the assistant chief with the Glendive Police department. How are you doing . And the man who originally took susies missing persons report sat down to interview marty. Someone to say youre crazy, i didnt do this, i dont want to talk to you at all. But i found a guy sitting in a chair with his legs crossed and arms across the side. I have no idea what happened to her. I dont know how she passed away. Thats it. I pretty much knew when i was targeted years ago that Something Like this could happen at any time. I knew this day would come. Hes been thinking in the back of his head that he would be arrested for this crime. They took marty back to montana, stuck him in the county jail to await his murder trial, and when the spring of 2012 arrived, it seemed things were finally looking up for susies family. It was a lot of relief. Especially mom and dad. Get some justice. Finally for the family to celebrate. Susies eldest child was graduating from circle high school. Senior photos were taken, announcements were printed up and sent out, a party was planned in circle. Then the day before the ceremony she said its going to be my graduation and my mom is not here to see it. I said i know, but shell be with you and she cried. Marya and marlene dried their tears and the young girl bounded out of the house and drove away. What happened . They said she fell asleep. Went off the road. There were no skid marks or nothing. She hit the ditch and it rolled. That kid would never leave without her seat belt on. Marya larson was just 18 years old. All i remember is answering the phone and my mom telling me and thats all i remember. I just dropped the phone and just cried. Cried and cried and cried. I just couldnt believe that that could happen three times in one family. I never really grieved for susie, just like i never really grieved for rusty until mariahs accident. And that was the day i grieved for all three of them. I cant imagine that scope of loss. I dont know how you managed it. I dont know either. That hit you pretty hard when is that the point that gets you every time . Yeah. Marya was laid to rest in that Little Cemetery outside circle next to her uncle rusty and her mom susie. She had a hard time living without her mom, and i guess thats why she finally went to be with them. Just about didnt make it through that one. Three of them. And right along with the family that day was the new prosecutor on the case. It showed me a lot about brant light because he traveled from helena after meeting that girl only one time to her funeral. And he had a message for the family and for marty larson. It was very clear in this case from both sides there was not going to be any plea we simply talked about trial. Lets go to trial. Bravado . Circumstantial cases, especially like this one, can be tricky things. Coming up, the shoe print, those drag marks, and that Surveillance Video from the bank. Would any of it point to marty . It looked like a different person. 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Five years and one city block where in april 2013 marty larson finally faced a jury. Clearly, to me, he was the person that committed that crime. Now my chore was to go out and prove it. But when marty walked in, the courtroom gasped. He didnt look like the picture that i was shown of him. He had lost 77 pounds like that, so he looked like a different person. All of us were a little taken aback. Was it intentional . More on that in a minute. What he said were motives for marty to kill susie. Motives as old as time. Jealousy, pride, rage. I think marty was absolutely convinced that he and susan were going to get back together. I really think he thought that was going to happen and then all of a sudden here comes brad. Thats why, said the prosecutor, and phone records backed it up marty made those phone calls to his estranged wife and ted casey before the murder. Alerting these people that something untoward was going on. I think at that point he thought, well, let me just break this up. His efforts were all just about breaking them up. That effort included emails, though marty denied it. Did you send the emails . No, i did not. A search of martys computer revealed that he created that emails to brad asking about how his wife felt about that girlfriend. When Police Showed up at martys door for the very first time hes erasing things on his computer and defragments the hard drive. Appeared to be getting rid of something. Right. On the night susie disappeared, phone records revealed that she and marty last spoke at 9 51 p. M. By then, susie was aware that marty had been trying to sabotage her relationship with brad. After the phone call, susie called her daughter marya with a question. She wanted to know how to restrict a number. I asked her why and she told me because marty was calling and i he was calling ted. The phone records showed susie stopped returning martys call. Thats why at 1 39 a. M. Marty camera leaving billings to go to glendive. I think it was his intent to confront her, to find her and confront her about whats going on. The jury heard marty left 22 voice mails as he drove over the next three hours. His cell phone pinging in glen dive just before 4 30 a. M. Then by his own admission, marty parked right around the corner from susies Apartment Building next to the bank. And thats when the banks atm started telling a story like nothing else could. 4 27 a. M. , prosecutors argued this figure right here is marty walking towards susies apartment. Our theory was he got to susans apartment before brad, before she returned, and theres a little concave, a little store front. We believe thats where he was standing. Thats when he left that found in the alcove next to susies. Then the tape showed at 4 52 a. M. , brad and susie pulled up in brads truck. 5 19 a. M. , the dome light came on. Susie opened the door and got out just steps from her apartment. When she stepped out of brads car, after he had stewed in that concave for 15 to 20 minutes as they were in the car doing whatever they were doing, i think he was extremely angry. I think he confronted her. I think she confronted him right back. I think she told him when she was going to continue a relationship with brad and that marty and her were done, he was a no one is going to have susie sort of guy. I think thats when he strangled her. Strangled her, prosecutors argued, but not before susie left those telltale scratch marks on martys back. Alley leaving those drag marks near the dumpster. At 5 38 a. M. A figure walked back towards martys mini van. After he walks back, the next thing you see is that silver van pull in front of susans. Theres about a fiveminute wait. I believe hes putting the body into the back of that van. Then you see the van pull aside. That, said prosecutors, is when marty started driving back to billings. You have a body in your van. I think the river was the fastest and easiest way for him and to buy him some time. Prosecutors produced this video showing marty 78 miles down the road stopping for gas, at 8 15 a. M. , wearing a white tshirt and black shoes that were never found. Did he throw them away when he dumped her body . At 10 29 a. M. , marty was back in mail in almost five hours. This one with a decidedly different tone. Good morning, sweetie. I was just hoping that you would be willing to talk to me. I have my other phone charging right now. If you could, give me a call on this one. Thank you. Totally different tenor. I thought he would have been more angry when she still hasnt returned your calls. They dont know where you are. Now hes in alibi mode. The final piece of the puzzle for prosecutors . Remember how marty vigorously cleaned his mini van inside and out. Not quite enough. One hair was found. It was in the back of the van where he had put the body. We did a mitochondrial dna and it was hers. 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They were fighting about the children, the monetary aspects of their marriage, and she had indicated to marty on several occasions that she was fearful of ted. And i believe his recounting of what he did that morning, had it been proper ly investigated, would have been less than a perfect alibi. Prosecutors argued that there was no evidence that ted or, for that matter brad or his then wife or anyone but marty larson killed susie. The defendant himself testified at the trial and so what do you want people to know about you . I guess the main thing is just i had nothing to do with killing susie. I would have never done anything to her or to take her away from my kids or her two little girls. I couldnt have done that. Marty insisted that his very last contact with susie was that phone call at 9 51 p. M. , eight hours before she disappeared. What happened in that conversation . Why did she not want to talk to you at all afterwards and block your number . During that call, she called to ask me i dont remember if she asked me or if she accused me of calling ted. In fact, you had. I did. And she was mad about that. Yes. I told her i didnt do it and it wasnt me. Why would you do that . Had done something stupid and i felt guilty about it. Why i did it, a lot of it was because of being hurt, because what she had been telling me was that whatever she had, as far as a relationship with brad, she had been telling me for a week to ten days or so that that was over. Apparently it wasnt. No. And i guess somewhere in my head i suspected that and thats why i sent the emails. There was a lot of confusion. That made him decide to drive three hours to susies place in the middle of the night. Thats a bad decision, right . You see that now. The whole time i was driving i was hoping that she would respond and say im fine, so i that was all i wanted was to know she was okay. And still marty insisted that when he got to her apartment he just didnt see susie right across the street with that guy brad. No, he claimed he waited for her in a spot where he couldnt have seen her walking to the door. Thats the part that sticks with me. Heres a guy who cares deeply about this woman and what shes up to and he sits where he cant see the entrance to her Apartment Building . Dont give me that. Thats crazy. I cant make people believe anything. I know what i did. I know where i was. Listen, you put yourself there. Thats the point. You put yourself at the crime scene. I put myself in a position for them to look at me. Right. You had the opportunity. You had the motive. If just being in the vicinity you could have in other words. Within that time frame, yes. Oh, yeah. I can. I can. There are a lot of things i dont understand myself. I dont understand why, especially now, i couldnt have stayed home and tried to contact her. I thought i could do something to help if she needed help. Sometimes with a girl like susie the thing you can do to help is to walk away. Yeah, i think it probably would have been best, at least for me. The jury was out about as long as it was for marty larson drove from billings to glendive. The night poor susie left his life. Three hours. The verdict, guilty. What was it like to hear that guilty verdict . Everybody hooped and hollered and hugged. It was just like a big weight just lifted off of you. Theres something hugely couldnt bring her back, of course, but did the verdict matter . Oh, yes. It really did set my mind at ease. It really did help us to move on. The first thing i do is to turn to the family. I love to look in their eyes and see the smiles on their faces and the joy they have. For me, thats what its all about. Ill never have another time that i loved being a prosecutor than i did right then. This is where marty larson lives right now. Crossroads correctional, in shelby montana, near the canadian border. What did they sentence you to . 110 years. Your first Parole Possibility is what . 2042. Thats a long wait. Yes, it is. But of course its far more than just a long wait for susie, the cascade of grief begun that night was deep and long. I cant understand how the guilt and the emotions arent just consuming him because losing her is still consuming us. He took her life and he took part of our hearts, but hell never break this family up and he hasnt. No, he hasnt. Shay, just 12 when his mom was murdered, graduated from high school in 2013. Ted and susies daughters, kyana and charlee, were junior bridesmaids when their aunt val remarried. But there are too many from this family in the circle village cemetery. Not something a family gets used to. They just learn to work around it. Were not victims. Were survivors. Survivors keep on living life. And were survivors. Election special. Live from the Clark Athletic Center at the university of massachusetts, the first president ial debate. Here is moderator jim lehrer. Good evening, im jim lehrer. Welcome to this, the first of three president ial debates between Texas Governor george w. Bush and vice