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Part of tonight. Pouring rain i got galoshes and we are ready. And drink and eat and be merry today. A band of merry makers. Mark mcgrath and all kinds of is a leps. Look closely. Oh, my gosh is that lisa oh, my, is that the guy from anyway, theyre all there. Marks playing a game of who knew . With us. Eh talk us into getting into a bathtub . Did we . Yes. Revealing best skincare products. Been awesome. So affordable. Drug store brands frchlts youre in search of a wonderful recipe, awardwinning chef Michel Nischan is in the kitchen. The only man i dont rubbing a raw chicken in your face is also good for your complexion. Is that what he said . Salmonella. Do you recognize those two brothers . You, two, i didnt realize how big you were. I knew you were huge theyre huge. Im 62 and theyre taller than me. We were in new orleans together, and of course you were. And new orleans fell in love with these two guys. Like one of those moments, but there were two different kitchen redos happening and drew and jonathan will talk a little about that, and were also going to see if we can pick between very highend cabinetry and the can guess. I used to be able to. These days, they do it incredibly well. Right. And thats the cant tell the difference with a lot of it. Pay for the name or have something thats great but still cost effective. I do everything well, just so you know that. Mostly hair. Turn to the side. Hes going i love that he did it. Shorter, and look like me. Better looking. All right. So were this is our wine bot brothers finished. First up is drews kitchen. All right. Take a look. This is drews kitchen. All right . Ooh, i like that. The next one, youre going to be voting. So look. The next ones jonathans kitchen. Okay . So one more time, please . Drews kitchen is klg and hoda drew. Jonathans kitchen, klg and hoda jonathan. For drew, michel should vote, too. And do it on facebook or twitter, under the wine bot. We wont know until tomorrow, right . You guys, when tonight is the show . Tonight . That is our thing. Do you want me to tell who won . You are not allowed to tell anybody. Security remember, do you want me to say . We know how much wine you took cant remember. You can eat chicken and dumplings later. And look at at white wine. Like that. Looks good. Drews already alreadhead al. Come on. Can i take a little bit of this, a little bit of the broth . Guys, time for words of wisdom, please. Settle down. Here we go. I think the best vacation is the one that relieves me of my own life for a while, and then makes me long for it again. And i think thats magi isnt that nice . Yeah. Or makes you realize how much you hate your real life and want to change. Or that option. Thats also there. All right. And that sometimes yeah. Done with your vacation and think, oh, my gosh, ive got to go back. Change my life. Its happened. We changed our life a little yesterday. We went and had a great lunch at our friends, the scottos at fresco on east 52nd street. Matt was our host. Carson. Very busy out in l. A. We had the best, best time. Thanks to anthony and mary and all the scottos. Wondered if dylan and savannah were going to give birth right at the table. Bow, did they spaghetti and meatballs. Big day, everybody. This is the day, my great nephew shecky turns 2. In honor of shecky turning 2 i want to show you some were applauding. Im shecky. Im 2 years old. I live for this kid. He is the funniest kid live. Were going to show pictures . Oh, there. . Happy birthday to you . He knows its out of tune. . Happy birthday to you . Oh [ laughter ] whoa he is the most precious. So, and i want to wish his grandfather, bill a happy 80th birthday tomorrow. Wow. Turning 80 tomorrow. And alicia keys son, you wonder if hell catch on, musical talent, that swizz beatz has . Original song called superboy. . I am the super boy, super boy . Im a super boy . . . I am the super boy . By the time hes 6, and hes not even looking, i know. Looking right at the camera. Intensity. Wow. His dad. Its in his dna. His dad hardwork. And dedication. Good for him. Thats great. Harry connick jr. We knew could play the peen oh sing and entertain, yesterday showed off another skill on instagram and watch what happens when you combine Harry Connick jr. Calls is the toast toss. Do you believe this . He throws stale bread into the toaster. Look. Lets watch. We look, and, in a cubicle, go, go, okay, watch, watch, and go how does he do that . How is he doing it . Toasttoss. And he goes somewhere else. Just keeps doing it. Is this for real . Thats a long way. Watch, watch, watch, watch. Im sorry. That is unbelievable. Okay. Were going to see who can do it. All right . Bring out the toaster. Toast toss. In full disclosure you guys, we didnt have any stale toast, because this is today, but we have some lightly toasted. Come here, brothers. Come here, brothers. Get behind us. I want to see if its really possible. And this isnt stale enough. You have to do exactly. Let the brothers try. The technique, everyone goes into the oh, that was a practice, practice. Uhhuh. Oh all right. Sorry. Thats right. Okay. Watch this . Oh okay. Ready . Its all in the wrist. Can we have the bread back . Hoda, do it. Do it, hoda. Im going to do it, right now. Back spin. Back spin. This is the over oh, my gosh [ cheers and applause ] hey, Harry Connick jr. he beats me again. That was awesome. Excellente. All right, now, a quick shoutout to guys, theyre all here next week and we need your questions for them to tackle. Youll never really get them answered in any positive way, but it will be funny. Almost any questions or issues how to handle your partner during the holidays . We want to know. Go to our website and 134su the story of a mom, of 16, started a program called american gold star christmas. Souci welch did it for us. A beautiful, beautiful story. Allows those to post what they need help make christmas a little better for kids. Almost 300 children on the list. By yesterday afternoon, every single one of those children were sponsored. Thats so because of you guys. Thank you, guys, for sharing your kindness. Yeah it was. Im sure you all feel great about that. Find more information on the believe with me Gold Star Program on kathie lee and hoda. Com. And everybody affected by the fire, 15,000 areas in the area of the great smoky mountains. So beautiful. Hundreds of homes and businesses damaged. Or destroyed. And destroyed. More than she shelters this morning and dollywood theme park and the dream resort mostly spared and providing, as Good Neighbors do, a place for firefighters and First Responders to eat and speak. Dolly parton made a statement saying she was heartbroken and praying for all the families. Her movie airs tonight. Im sure promoting it everywhere. You cant be there and take care of your friends and family. Yeah. God bless them all. Can it be done that quickly . Wait. Whos oh. There they are. The scott brothers. Showing you how to have great everything, plus the kitchen sink, and save some money while youre at it. The wine challenge . Id like to point out hey, its a bad angle. You know . We have to move it, but wait. No, no. I got one next to it. Hey, people, people yes, y [sighs] thats why we make them for you. For a complete eye renewing effect try age perfect eye renewal from loreal. It renews eyes 5 ways. Targets puffiness, crepiness, under eye bags, dark circles, crows feet. Age perfect eye renewal from loreal skin expert paris test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test test blan a thatd be devastating. 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Watch for back pain or any nerve or muscle related signs or symptoms. Do not take xarelto if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. Tell your doctor before all planned medical or dental procedures. Before starting xarelto tell your doctor about any conditions, such as kidney, liver or bleeding problems. To help protect yourself from a stroke, ask your doctor about xarelto. Theres more to know. They became huge tv stars as the Property Brothers and now jonathan and scott are branching out with another home makeover show. Its called. Brothers take new orleans. They try to increase the property value. Great job. They tackle a new space and in this episode, hoda happens to they have already renovated. Youre not allowed to tell us with whose kitchen you picked. Its showing what the people no, now its getting closer. Since to wants episode is about kitchens, theyre here to show you money about the upgrades. Hello kid. Why did i not just think of that. Her nickname was wine box. Everybody says i love what i it and magazines show the expensive pictures. Its like why dont we have a game. Were going to show you all of these things and you indicate high or low. You indicate whats the expensive version and not. Here we have two cabinets side by side. One of these cabinets is expensive, and one of these are we allowed to touch it. Think what is the expensive one. Okay. Whats the answer . The answer is the far one is the more expensive one and that one is 1,100 and this one is 220. What . So one for you. The quality today is like anything before. You can tell by feeling. Grab the cards. Kitchen hardware. These two polls here. Which and cost affective . Which is it . The hardware poles. I think im going say the same thing. It has more stuff on it. Okay. I love how what do we do. Youre correct. The one on the left is 27 and the one on the left is 2. You cannot tell. People do not think of the little pieces. Hardware in the kitchen you may have 20 or 30 poles. By the end of the game we will get this figured out. Which one is the expensive one. Boom. Its like a zoolander. Boom. Boom. You know what, youre correct. Size does not always mean bad. Size does not matter. Its more expensive here this is 216. By the way beyond the savings. We have a minute, we have to go. Think. Think. You have to think faster. Which is the most expensive high end sink . Boom you are correct. H o hoda is wrong. She is used to it. 250. This one is more expensive. It. Look above the head. Over here. This is an easy one. Tiles. Which is high and which is low. Subway tile. Everybody loves it. This one i cannot tell. I definitely can. This is high. Hoda is not good at this. Tie breaker. Tie breaker. Tie breaker. Which is high and which is is low . This is impossible. Which is high and which is low for the dishes . You were pointing at the high. You were . High over here and 403. I prefer those too. I think in the future were only going do this with you at home because youre good at this. Hoda is pretty. You are too. Yes. Yes. Before we have one of us is old, which one with the property sister hoda in the house. Yeah. Tune in to see which kitchen hoda chooses. For the last time what do the viewers think. For the final one on the wine box looks like its drew. The real judging happens to want, so watch tonight. Okay. Thanks everybody. We found the cream of the crop when it comes toki local drugstores. Yeah, and a home cooked meal on this cold wintery day. We can steal these dishes. I like these. Do you not like these . . . . I was born a dreamer. . . I was born a dreamer. . At progresso, we are now using 100 antibiotic and hormonefree white breast meat chicken in all our chicken soups behold our greatest opus . Our craftsmen begin each day. Perfectly seasoning our Hillshire Farm smoked sausage. So by simply adding the right ingredients. 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Shorten your cold with a snap, coming over for dinner can be stressful. Not when you have recipes of some of the best chefs in the world. Our chef is all a great idea. Helps create a Sustainable Food system. Also one of the chefs at last summers greenwich wine and food festival. Kathie asked what he would cook for her if she was coming to his house for dinner and what did you choose . Right. I chose my mothers chicken and dumplings. You love your mom. I love my mom. Amazing when we were growing up, we didnt always have a lot of money as a family, but she would put this meal on the table, and isnt that lovely . And Little Princesses and pr princes, and my mom would take the chicken and dumplings, like fall vegetables, put that on the table. And we had a garden. Grew our own. So even though we were struggling financially we could always put good food on the table. She raised a beautiful man. Oh, thank you. Youre a sweetheart. Well, thanks. Anyway, well kind of get started. So we have, just like a threepound chick 23r7 store. I like to save all the nch giblibs. And thats the stuff she liked. Please. Awesome. Chicken stock. Look, hodis cooking nice. Awesome. Let it ring. Thats for the gods, for the gots all good, man, all good. Everyone got one . Chicken stock. If we got wet, were delicious. For about ten minutes or so and then you can see you get a little bit of stuff, you want to skim a little bit. Once you get it nice and skimmed, a little onions and carrots to give it a good chicken broth stock soup quality flavor. And here is the chicken when its finished. And here, what you want to do is just kind of tear it apart. Yeah. Got about a dmo. Why dont you come on back. You tear it apart. So you tear it know, salt, pepper. A little bit of flour and then you have some chicken stock. Some chicken fat and egg. Its kind of like schmaltz, give this a little bit of a whisk and then you kind of like mix the two together to get a loose dough, which is right here. 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Wines day wednesday. And playing who knew . Tonight is the 84th get you into the christmas spirit, trivia. Kathie lee is across the street ready to hand out 100 to those who get the answers right. Those who dont are still oners. What they get one of kathie lees cds. Sheer the lead singer of sugar ray, member of the band of merrymakers, mark mcgrath. Good morning, hoda. How are you . And perform for us later in the show . Of course were going to perform. We love the outfit. Lets go. Across the street. Lovely lady from chicago. I feel bad because im standing in front of a tiny little lady from someplace else and im going to reach over to you. Okay. Here it is. See what youve done . All right. The Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree has been featured in all of the following movies except, home alone 2, elf or christmasry the cranks. C. She was correct. Its not the Holiday Season until you see elf not in my house, anyway. Excited about the Christmas Tree lighting . Are you kidding . One of the hottest things here. Totally agree. Kathie lee . Lovely lady from north carolina. Finishes lyric to this classic christmas carol, please. . You will get a sentimental . Voices singing . Be jolly deck the halls with boughs of holly . Awesome. Another merrymaker there. By the way, whats one of the favorite shoongs you and the merrymakers sing . So many. If i picked one, snow. All the clafcssics. Sold 25 million copies, byes way. Kath, over to you. Which artist does not have one of the top five most downloaded holiday songs. Xplicted. Mariah carey, Justin Bieber or wham. Well say, b. , Justin Bieber. The crowd is turning on you. Oh. Thats all right. Yeah so the correct answer is wham. Last christmas. Great song. I dont remember that. . Last christmas . Oh . I gave you my heart but the very next day you gave it away . Thats a great song cranking it. Kath, over to you. From michigan. Michigan. Every whodown in whoville liked christmas a lot. But the whoville . He did not. Why . A, never got presents, b, heart two sizes two small or c, his pants were too tight . B. Yep [ cheers and applause ] love it. That is by the way the grinch another holiday classic. Yeah. Nbc airing its 50th anniversary this year, hoda. Of the grinch. Something about watching it that night makes it special. Cozy, warm and fuzzy. All right. One more, kath. This ladys from florida. Oh, shoot. The last one. So sorry. Here you go. This year the rockefeller Christmas Tree is from new york, onianta. Whats the citys nickname . City of the stars, b. It was c, yeah. Thats all right. City of the hills. City of the hills. Onianta. Okay. Mark, youre back in a couple minutes with fellow merrymakers singing a fun holiday tune. Guys, were so happy to have them in the studio today. And treat yourself to a spa day when youre close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment . 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Leading the way, today contributor jill martin, people style and beauty director andrea lavinthal. Hello, ladies. Hello, in the jacuzzi. So comfy. Glamorous morning but our final day. Oh, what . Super excited. Its all skin today. How to get your skin revitalized. The first product . Okay. Were going to start with simple. Our little cabinet here. This is hydrating cleansing oil. This is to get you calmed simpled simple. I like this brand. Really got everything off and left your skin moisturized. You said every day . Every day. Love it. Leaves skin beautiful. Next . Next is our winning exfoliating cleanser. Uses baking soda. Great if you have a little oily not feeling tight. Baking soda, like vinegar. So good. Its a little scent but lovely. Cleanses your skin. No tightness. I like a scent. I dont like it unscented. Okay. All right. Whats next . Okay, hodi. Day cream. Talking yesterday about how great sometimes it is to use Drug Store Products and not expensive products and how well they work. This, our tester said, really works. It really works. This i and face. A lot of women avoid putting cream, not even avoid, forget, on their neck and chest. And really shows aging. A good one. Our tester said this really moisturized and made them feel good and refreshed. Seems like a much more expensive. And smells so good. A good texture to it. Roc. I like it. Next . Ladies, no excuse not to wear sunscreen, thanks to 60 60 . Oilfree, its clear. Just stay in the house. [ laughter ] yeah, right . I know its a big deal. Its not greasy. It goes on completely light. Wont mess up your makeup. No excuse. Oh, yeah. Okay. Got to wear sunscreen. A good one. You going to use it, hoda . Yeah. A har. Avino restorative night cream. The tester said this was went to sleep feeling totally refreshed and moisturized. You see how moisturizing it feels. Put it on me . 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Com style or pick up the latest issue of People Magazine on newsstands now. The rest of your day will be merry and bright, the band of merrymakers take our stage pump up the volume, you guys. Theyre coming up on look famous people we catch flo, the progressive girl, at the supermarket buying cheese. Scandal alert flo likes dairy . woman busted [ laughter ] tgun with a mystery man. Oh, yeah [ indistinct shouting ] is this your chauffeur . What . no, i was just showing him how easy it is to save with snapshot from progressive. You just plug it in and it gives you a rate based on your driving. Does she have insurance for being boring . [ light laughter ] we offered women a mystery beauty treatment. What made their skin more radiant . What . wait only dove has 1 4 moisturizing cream. Smooth dewy skin. Dove, your daily beauty treatment for radiant skin. You said you wanted to feel better about your cereal. General mills big g cereals hear you. 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Tomorrow night, b. B. Kings here in new york city. December 15th, world famous trib dohr in los angeles, california. Fantastic. What are you going to sing for us . Were going to sing holiday in l. A. In new york you like that . Band of merrymakers . Oh, oh, ohoh, holiday in l. A. . Oh, oh, ohoh . Oh, oh, ohoh, holiday in l. A. . The sun is rising on the pch, there aint a cloud in the sky . Candy canes are hanging red and white where every day ap movie, more wishes come true . The sun on our face can burn up the sleighs, cruising down the freeway . Ooh, ooh, oohooh . But its a holiday in l. A. , ohoh . In l. A. , its a holiday in l. A. . . And the sun never sets until we ohoh, a holiday in l. A. . Ohoh, ohoh . The lords of leaping down on venice beach . There aint a cloud in the sky jack frost nipping at his nose, melts them every time . And singing with brian wilson, and gingerbread, oohooh, oohooh . Well, its a holiday, ohoh in l. A. . Its a holiday, ohoh, in l. A. . When the sun never sets and we celebrate a holiday in l. A. . Ohoh, a holiday in l. A. . Ohoh, never raining, everybodys singing when you get that feeling . Then youll know . Its a holiday, ohoh, in l. A. . Its a holiday, ohoh, in l. A. Where the sun never sets . And we always celebrate . Holiday, ohoh, in l. A. . Its a holiday, ohoh, in l. A. Where the sun never sets and its something we celebrate . A holiday in l. A. . Ohoh, ohoh . 0 holiday in l. A. Snow ohoh, ohoh . 0 holiday in l. A. , ohoh, ohoh 0 holiday in l. A. , ohoh, a holiday in l. A. . Yes [ applause ] that was awesome band of merrymakers. Yall were great. Thank you so much. You were awesome. So fun yall are such fun. All righty. Thank you, guys. Merrymaking isnt over yet. It isnt . No first, this is today on nbc. Its our 23rd annual toy drive. What about day three . About to find out who todays generous donor is. Drum roll, please. It is all learning resources senior project manager tom. Happy holidays. Hi, tom. I come bearing gifts. What you do you in . 185,000 worth of them. Translates to 12,000 indivi games in the hands of underprivileged children. So great. Kids learn as they play, which is which sorry. Wow that is what we are all about. Learn as you play. Great because you play and learn at the same time. Right. What especially this, part of our donation. This is a robot, Education Learning mouse. What you can do, introduce early coding skills, coding the language of the 21st them. Tom, thanks for everything. Steve here you go, man. Rafe thanks. Steve wow. You look like you could use something stronger. Should i break out the bourbon . Rafe no. Not yet, anyway. Steve tell me what i can do to help. Af dig up some dirt on fitzpatrick or even trask. Anything. Could really use all the help i can get. Steve i hear you. Rafe and justin, hes working on an appeal, but. Well, considering that hope admitted she killed stefano, i find it highly unlikely that a court is gonna want to hear an argument for a more lenient sentence. Steve so thats where the

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