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Transcripts For WCVB Newscenter Five At Five-Thirty 20151202

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Superintendent and San Bernardino Valley College have been in connection with them. Certainly theyre monitoring the situation and taking precautions for the students and for their staff. Not knowing whether this was a terrorist act, not knowing who might be behind this, whats your message to everyone out there not only in the city but in the Southern California area and perhaps beyond with three gunmen perhaps heavily armed still outstanding to this point . Certainly i cant speculate to the identification of those. Its a tragic incident to happen to any community. We are unfortunate to be the target at this particular emergency. As always, our p. D. Rises to the occasion and puts forth their efforts. Our community always unites and comes together during these events. They have a very resilient spirit. Im very grateful to be here and be a part of this and observe how well our Public Safety responds. Thank you very much, mayor cary davis, city of San Bernardino. Speaking with us about whats going on in the city. Again, in the field that were in weve often watched these things happen all across the country, wondering and hoping that it never happens in our community. And now it has happened in our community. Its amazing to see how many Text Messages robin williams, kabc right there. A little more information there. Pierre thomas from the mayor of San Bernardino also learning from the Vice President of the board of trustees, keith nelson of the inland center that event today was something organized by the San Bernardino county department of public health. Again another government tie right there. But weve talked about this a little bit so far. But lets get into greater detail. We have seen several instances in the United States of mass several instances carried out by lone gunmen, whether domestic terror or inspired by groups overseas like isis. This somewhat unusual if indeed these reports are true. Three gunmen involved, prepared weve this is something different. Memory. In the sense if it turns out to be three or more people. Think about it. You have three people who have conspired to murder people. That is why the situation is so dangerous. Because if theyre willing to do it once theyre likely willing to do it again. Again, the psychology of three people getting together and saying yes, were going to go out and kill people. That is why this is being treated so seriously. Because its unfortunately likely that youre going to hear from these people again. And in the wake of the attacks overseas by isis, the downing of a russian airliner, the attacks in beirut, the attacks in paris, brian ross, we also saw these videos prepared by isis or isis sympathizers states would be targeted. Although they were focused more in washington and new york. They talked about washington and new york and the iconic targets. This is not that but this is something else. I think what we can take away from all of this, its not over, george. Its not over. John cohen, former Homeland Security counterterrorism official as well, talk more about what kind of assistance federal officials in washington can now provide the local officials on the ground in california. Well, the officials on the ground first and foremost or in the short term are supporting efforts to clear the buildings and to provide security around associated locations. As this transitions into a crime scene, fbi, atf, others will help to interview witnesses, theyll help process the crime scene, they will help collect evidence. Depending on what drove this behind it, you may see this retained as a local investigation, or i may very quickly transition into a federally led investigation. Steve gomez, former fbi agent on the scene also in Southern California, this is a massive manhunt right now across the Southern California region. Were learning from our reporters that Law Enforcement Officials Say that local and state agencies have mobilized all planes and helicopters available to search for this suv. Theyre going to be looking for this suv. Theyre going to be checking. There are some capabilities where they can identify any suv especially if they have it narrowed down by color. Talking about a vo luminous amount of information. But in this situation theyre going to do that, finding out where that suv is, putting as much information out to the public. The fact were in l. A. , very close to the mexican border, theres going to be a lot of alerts put out at the border entries going across. So theres going to be a lot of information going over to theyre on the lookout for anybody suspicious. Because weve talked about before, the probability that they dumped the black vehicle and have jumped into something else, thats very high. So theyre probably in a different vehicle. But still, finding that vehicle is going to be key to the various next steps that are going to occur in this investigation. How extreme could this get, steve . We heard Kayna Whitworth say she saw several exits closed off on the highways by police. How far could thaeks tend . How far will police be willing to go . Well, i think initially when they started to close off the exits they werent sure if there were still people or suspects that were still inside the facility. Precautions. At this point, the net might have to go very wide. And when we say very wide, were talking about not just Southern California but potentially the border to mexico, nevada, arizona. You have to assume they did get you have to go very broad and put that information out there to all agencies throughout the country. The entire southwest at least for now. And brat gary rett, two different scenarios there, the one the gunmen would immediately look for another opportunity to attack or they may be simply trying escape. Exactly. Now were up to three plus hours. We dont know of any other attacks. My guess at least in the short term, george, is this is all about not getting caught. And if they have planned this correctly, dropped one vehicle, pick up another, maybe even dropped a second vehicle, had somebody pick them up. But george, they had to communicate sway ome way, i would assume. There are another possibility here of looking at cell phone traffic in and around that Regional Center right before, granted, that is a mindboggling job when you consider everyone basically has a cell phone. But thats another avenue. Because theyve got to figure out exactly how this moved from the shooting away from the scene and then start plugging it in from there. No suicide vest. No final stand there on the scene at the inland Regional Center. The potential at least for now of escape, the gunmen on the loose. Brad, does that perhaps push you more in the direction of domestic terror than isisinspired terror . Or again, it still doesnt necessary i give you a clue either way . Well, it doesnt because george, think about paris, for example. Obviously at the rock concert, those guys were going to shoot themselves up. But you had other locations where they went to restaurants and they clearly got away and moved on to another location. So hard to say. But the idea and weve already mentioned this obviously of masks and gloves. You cant eliminate isis or some other Extremist Group like them. But is this just an individual attack and were just going to have to see, obviously. Hopefully that is the case. Pierre . And george, you also have to think about the potential of like we saw in the washington, d. C. Area of the snipers. Where they didnt attack immediately there after the first attacks. Back in 20012002. Exactly. Where time would pass and they would live to fight another day. And that could be a scenario. So many things on the table right now. None of them great. And the snipers in the d. C. Area, they were actually at large for several weeks. Exactly. And again, two men conspired together to kill people. They attacked, waited awhile, attacked again. I can tell you having been living in that area at the time, people were literally changing their patterns in terms of going to gas stations, shopping centers. So there is great effort now to find these people very quickly. Because you could you have an entire region living in fear. And kayna whit worth outside the loma linda hospital inside San Bernardino you were describing some of that before. Youve got an entire region now being warned about shooters on the loose, areas on lockdown, employees told to stay in place. And no idea when its going to end. I think we lost kayna there. Brian ross. At this point the lack of knowledge authorities scrambling to figure out whos involved, if these are local residents, if terror group, they could have gone to ground and be hidden well and be prepared to act again in two or three days or in a week. Its unclear. And that is the mystery about exactly who they are, what was their motive and what was their mission . And right now we have no good information about any of that. The witnesses are being who are in the center at the time are being interviewed. Chief ray kelly, we heard from the chief there, the San Bernardino chief, that theyre going to be looking at the closed circuit cameras inside the facility which might provide more clues. Yeah. It might give them a picture of the individuals. I think this is the type of event thats going to generate lots of phone calls, lots of tips coming in. They may very well be of value. But going through that information is an herculean task. Assuming these gunmen stay on the loose through the evening, what kind of precautions will be taken tomorrow . Would schools be open . To work . Well, in the immediate area there, i think youd probably see that. A lockdown type approach. As you get further away from San Bernardino youll see less of that. But hopefully therell be more information through the night to give us some direction. But yeah, i think therell be a lot of concern in that community and other communities in the area if in fact theres nothing more developing during the night. Pierre, youre always trying to balance out the need to get the perpetrators and at the same time try to maintain some semblance of normal life. Exactly. And thats increasingly difficult in the case like this. Because this threat, as we all active. So you want people to not panic, but at the same time you heard to be alert. And they need the public right and thats why theyve put out a call for people to say anything theyve seen, report it. Right now theyre going to get a lot of information from the witnesses as well. Brad garrett, former fbi special agent, what more can they do to find out about any kinds of threats against this facility or like facilities in recent weeks . Well that, shouldnt be that difficult, george. Presuming they were reported to the police. So youre going to look at that. Youre going to look at any similar type of facility that provide a similar type service to see what their threat level has been or any issues that would suggest that the gunmen may have a connection to that location. Im going to guess thats not going to end up being the case. Information thats just killing everybody to get this stopped. And the idea thatoure going to shut down large areas, i just dont think its realistic. Because if you dont know the motive, then how do you start shutting things down . I mean, we just dont know. So a real tricky thing. And one thing Extremist Groups love to do is try to punish us financially. And obviously every time we have one of these it does that. It certainly does. Want to go to john cohen, former Homeland Security official as well. So difficult here to be essentially in these early hours flying blind. Thats exactly right, george. And i think the other thing that this event illustrates and its something weve been seeing over the past year, year and a half in europe and the u. S. , we need to be prepared for these type of mass casualty attacks even when we dont have intelligence forewarning us. Whether its a foreign terrorist group, theyre changing the way more encrypted technologies. They are leveraging people who theyre inspiring to act independently. Domestic groups or even individuals who are motivated by some ideological purpose to commit this attack. Our Intelligence Systems were not designed to pick up on these people. So we need to start looking more at using tools that local police have and that exist within the community. Explain that. What would that mean, john . Well, its kind of ironic at the same time that we have a conversation going on across the country about policecommunity partnerships and relationships. Police are going to depend more and more on their relationships with the community to hear about threats such as that may be developing within the community. And so police need to work closely with the Community Members, they need to educate the Community Members about what to look for. And those Community Members have to be willing to communicate with police when they see things and right now as you say, were not equipped at the National Level to deal with those kind of threats or havent been. Well, no, thats exactly right. I mean, our intelligence capabilities as robust as they are, were never intended to pick up on a small group of individuals who may be planning a domestic attack and not communicating with foreign terrorist organizations or even acting in concert with a Broader Group of extremists. So it means that we have to build and use new tools, basically local tools, if were going to be better able to pick up on these types of emerging threats. One of the difficulties weve seen coming out of the situation in paris, even people who were in the system, had been in prison, had been on the watch lists of french authorities, french officials, still were able to slip through the cracks and organize in the dark. Exactly right. That. One, the sheer number of people that were beginning to see across europe, the United States, canada, australia, who are willing and are focused on carrying out these types of attacks, and they just exceed the resources of security and Law Enforcement organizations to monitor. And secondly, the way they have either changed the way they communicate to avoid detection by our intelligence resources or theyre not communicating with anyone at all because theyre planning independent of these organizations. But pierre thomas, federal officials have been actively watching several individuals they believe have either traveled overseas or have some other kind of contacts with isis, actively monitoring them for fear of this kind of attack. Actually several dozen under 24hour blanket surveillance. People who are thought to sympathize with isis. Major major effort, over 900 terror investigations under way hundreds were told involving people with isis sympathies. What kind of active investigations, active monitoring of those who might be motivated by other political concerns . The fbi at any given time has domestic terrorism investigations under way. We just saw a case kais in virginia where a number of men were accused of plotting a race war, attacking africanamerican churches or synagogues. So those things are on the table as well. And the fbi director recently told us they cant take their eye off of any of them. We saw the incident in chicago this week where a person called in a threat to kill white students there at the university of chicago. I want to go back to Kayna Whitworth on the scene there at loma linda hospital in San Bernardino, california where several of the injured have been brought in. We were discussing, kayna, we also have the local police there asking directly for help from the public. They say they are seeking three call 186634 reporter right now they have received four patients. They say at least four more are on the way, possibly more. What you were talking about is the ex true security. The San Bernardino Police Department is on scene. Their presence is heavily felt. For almost every other car that is parked along a street, there is a Security Officer or a police officer, one or the other. The other thing i saw is officers from the Union Pacific railroad fleet, theyre on the other side of the hospital standing in the parking lot with their guns drawn. They said they are here to protect any potential target. They just want to help. Now, the other thing about this hospital is that its currently undergoing some renovations right now. So just off to the other side of me theyre currently building a gigantic parking structure. And theres a lot of other construction areas around this parking lot. I just spoke with some folks that are in charge of that. They said right now their construction has been brought to a halt. But it just adds another layer, with things here at this hospital. Now officials are telling me that Family Members are gathering inside the hospital. They sort of have an area for them near the cafeteria where the family can go. Again, that is an area that is heavily guarded. They dont want anybody there, including us from the media, they really want to give these families their privacy. So folks that think that they may have a Family Member that has been treated here at loma linda are being told to go into the cafeteria. We havent received any more word on the conditions of the people brought here. There also were six patients transported to Arrowhead Hospital as well. Loma linda itself is just four miles away from the scene. Transferred here. So george, im having aly i. F. B. Problem here. Having a little hard time hearing you. I will send it back to you now and continue to give you updates from loma linda hospital. Kayna, thanks you very much. We also want to go to matt gutman at the inland region nat center. Brian ross come back to you on this. Matt was reporting about half an hour ago that most of the employees seem to have left the situation, even though the police said the area had not been cleared it was much quieter there on the scene at inland. The tension at that site seems to have lessened. And matt was reporting to us that all of the employees have been asked not to speak to reporters, to him, while theyre debriefed by the state police and local police there as to the best description of what they can tell about these men. Theyll be looking for voice, accent, height, weight, age, anything to help identify these three gunmen. How much information do the police need to determine whether these individuals were actually in their system in some fashion . It would be difficult if there are no fingerprints, if theyre wearing gloves, if theres no dna left behind. Theyre in the dark. This is a huge mystery of a kind that you rarely see for Law Enforcement. Usually there is some solid lead. And without that vehicle being or some claim of responsibility, right . Yeah. Police agencies have confidential informants. They possibly are aware of petty criminals or scuttlebutt thats out there. Thats another network thats going to be engaged with i think fairly gressively. Matt gutman is wired up right now on the scene at the inland Regional Center. What are you seeing now, matt . Reporter george, we just spoke to an eyewitness who is still somewhere back there right near the building. Now, what he told us and what weve been able to glean from Police Officials here is that i. R. C. Is in fact evacuated and seems to have been cleared of any suspected threat. But the buildings around it, those people are still on lockdown. Theyre being told that theres an active shooter situation still about 200 yards away from where were standing. So they are told to shelter in place. They are not being allowed to leave. I think thats one of the issues that were going to have for Police Officers and this investigation Going Forward is that there are so many this company with whom we spoke, glen willworth. He said he saw the scene unfold. He heard gunfire, he saw a man running towards him saying there was an active shooter situation. He had a side arm with him. Pulled it out, ran towards the scene and saw and heard some of that shooting. So he is one eyewitness. He says he only saw one person climb into that black suv. He did not see three others. He said his view was slightly on security by some trees. But that is one of the things that investigators are going to come up against. There were so many people, not only in the i. R. C. , apparently 670 employees. We saw hundreds of them file past. Not only in that hotel but in the office bill uildings surrounding that, distilling the information is going to take some time. That may have hampered the investigation so far. May have slowed officers and those three suspects believed to have shot up that event going on on the first floor of that building, that they in fact may have gotten away, george. And matt, can you tell, it does seem to be much quieter around there right now. Can you tell if theres any activity inside those buildings right now . Absolutely not, george. So theres a Water Treatment plant right here where were standing. Im going to swivel the camera with scott right now. You can see that there are some fire trucks, some ambulances down there. There is still a tremendous amount of police activity. Just beyond that railroad there are probably still about 2 or 300 police cars. Were still seeing officers from s. W. A. T. Teams heavily armed, assault rifles at the ready. But the level of tension that we saw earlier has completely abated. And we saw officers, probation officers, highway patrol, fbi, people running towards the scene when we first got here. Clearly there was a sense of alarm. Tension here still. There were noises that people heard, unconfirmed reports of gunfire that sent people skittering one way and another. Now clearly the tension here has subsided tremendously. But again there are so many officers here just trying to figure out what in fact has gone on. So many officers there. But one final question, matt. From what you can tell, has everyone who was inside the building been brought to the golf course and other areas around the inland Regional Center, are they all gone now . Reporter it appears so. Everybody who was in the i. R. C. , that center for those with developmental disabilities, seems to have been evacuated. They were extricated by s. W. A. T. Teams after sheltering in place for about an hour. Now, what is happening and you see an s. W. A. T. Team pulling out right now, but what is happening is that that lockdown remains in other parts of this area. Other Office Buildings are on sheltering in place. So were not sure exactly whats still going on here. Fact that some of these armed officers behind us also dont exactly know what the situation is, george. So confounding right now. Whether or not there are still armed men on the loose, whether or not there are devices still loose. Again, that investigation still ongoing. It makes it difficult. Come back when you have some more information from the scene, matt. I want to go to brad garrett with the situation right now. Brad, we just heard from matt. Much quieter on the scene right now. Yet police still describing it as an active shooter situation, even though we heard from the chief about an hour ago that he believed the assailants fled the scene. And thats because, george, they havent cleared every building. As youve shown on the screen, youve got at least three buildings to clear. And until those are completely cleared and the onscene commander says im going to give a green light, we can now leave, its going to remain active. And again, go back to the potential, at least, of explosives. Clearly be treated as an active scene until those are neutralized. Until those are neutralized. Right now no activity there. This unfolded coming up on four hours ago on the west coast in San Bernardino, california. No shooting after the first several minutes. And from everything we know, a massive manhunt going on right now, brad garrett, across Southern California. Exactly. And so this is going to be again a guess that there was maybe a switched vehicle. No one saw that. So the person or persons, if were up to three, are now in some unknown vehicle that might have been prestaged. So then it really is driven by what intelligence can you get from the public, can you get from cameras, did one of these cameras capture a license plate of the black suv . I think steve mentioned this earlier, the ability even if you have a partial tag to be able to run it could give them its a rental vehicle they should be able to find that fairly shortly based on a partial tag. So all of those things become critical in who are these guys and where are they . And to that point, brian ross, our chief investigative correspondent. And correct me if im wrong here. But i cant remember a situation in recent memory where about four hours after the first shots were fired, after about four hours after the incident began we have so Little Information about what happened. Thats true. In this country especially. Now, you think about paris, that also was a mystery with people at large after that attack. But in this country to have so Little Information, no leads, no claims of responsibility, no tangential leads, no obvious suspects. Even in paris, more expectations though of what the motive might have been from eyewitnesses on the scene. Nothing here. Because its an unusual target. Disabled individuals going for treatment, going for help, at why that would be a target raises lots of questions. Unless it was just a random target. But if not, why that would be a target raises the question, just deepens the mystery. And brian, it comes at a time when not only here in the United States but all across europe on the highest states of alert weve seen raids in france, weve seen raids in belgium, weve seen raids in great britain, all trying to scoop up anyone who might be involved in a situation like this. Dont forget the president of france put his country on lockdown essentially. Tried to close the borders because of concern in britain theyre afraid of attacks at any moment. Theyre at the highest state of alerts in this country there was a kind of sense of security that isis wasnt going to attack in a large way, that it was under control. The president assured the country just one week ago there was no specific credible threat in this country from isis. And right now, of course, ray kelly, former commissioner of the new york city police, no indication of any kind of what the motive may have been, whether it was something inspired by isis or whether an Extremist Group. Yeah

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