Hiring. Now, in one of your recent articles, you suggested that they said you political rivalry over your credit, that the, all i now observing and some are even participating in just line that problem of iran. Suppose that malicious Nuclear Intentions is essentially an artificial problem. It was deliberately created by the americans to justify their intentional geopolitical. You cannot make hostility towards those countries. Does washington even need a pretext to do what it said . Its mind them doing, you know, when it comes to russia, i think they do because its. Busy not that easy to pressure russia when it comes to you. They can always threatened to take your case to the. Ready Un Security Council with russia having a veto power in the security cancer. Thats not going to work out that, you know, they choose the don trying to make it easier ball with russia. Russia has lots of Nuclear Bombs already, so that, that is not going to work with russia is. So if you like, the states wants to fight russia and they want to do that, as you said, they need to find an excuse. And i think that is why they dont want the ukraine to finish, because if there is a settlement, then youre going to be able to use ukraine to put pressure on russia. And that is why if you go back a few years ago, the United States did not want to miss agreement to go through. Because thats what that solve on the problems. And then ukraine would not have been able to be used as a stage to attract russia. It will cost difficult. But the problem with that rationale is that the warning, the upgrade is putting pressure not only on russia, but pretty much the rest of the world. Because we see that in the form of skyrocketing fuel prices, in many, many countries that have nothing to do with russia or ukraine are filling the pinch. Now youve been pretty open about your use that you believe that these conflict in your credit is changing their current world order and that its pushing it towards the more multi polar arrangement with different power is going to compete with each other. Do you think that you are arrangements, whatever its going to be, if you think its going to be more or less violent than what we have at the moment . You know we are going to transition. We had the bipolar world or this is 2nd world war. You have United States and the soviet union. And then after the end of soviet union, americans thought theyre going to have it. Uni paula wrote with united the 6 leaving that when this was about people like Francis Fukuyama talk to but in the history do the debate among the scholars, theres what americans wanted to do was actually achieve. There are some people who believe that americans never could establish really pull out all the people who believed they did it for maybe 15 or 18 years from the fall of the soviet union and 2007 or 2008. And so these are the based on that, but what you know now is that the world is moving towards the most high fuller system. And during this transition, youre going to see more difficulties. So youd like to see countries trying to find ways of. Busy improving the chances of actually being a greater power then the new world order is that should be settled down now. But as i, as, as we move away from this western Centers System or as the system continues to disintegrate. Do you think there will ever be a moment when countries like, lets say iran, russia, been israel and other nations that have, have had an experience of being sanctioned for a prolonged period of time . Do you think they they will come to a point of appreciating that experience because it made them more self sufficient . Could it saves them some pain as the transition period continued because its got this transition. I think we agree is going to be painful for many members of the International System has been on the sanction since 979 since the lucian is so used to sanctions and that experience of being on the sanctions and also continue to live and continue to prosper and has done a lot in terms of building things that you needs sanctions. A lot of especially high tech devices are not able to be sent to you don. So iranian scientists, you in manufacturers manage to build a lot of things internally instead of relying on outside source that its going to be more difficult to do that. But once you do that, then youre going to be self sufficient. That is why, for example, the military does not depend on the 10th from outside. They make all the things that they want internally. And that is going to be important, as you said, using this transition time, sanction to us 5 policy to cause difficulties for countries that are not fathering us the 6. And the more self sufficient. You are, the less those factions are going to help you. And the more cooperation you are seeing among sanctioned countries. So for example, we had the huge rush and dedication in just a few days ago. You know, on russia relations are going to be much more now since the common problems are common enemies. And i think the same thing is going to be true with other countries that the us feels they need to pressure pressure. Now, you mentioned before that they, if we accept that they can direct confrontation between russia, the west or russian, the United States was intentional, was just a matter of finding the right pretext. Do you think all those ripple effects that the Global Economy is witnessing, or, and the american economies also with this thing, do you think that was sort of a factor then . Because the americans are now placing unprecedented inflation, which is adding to already preexisting social pensions. And all of that will be crucial mid term elections. The bottom of ministrations, approval ratings, are among the lowest things in history. Do you think all of that was also, you know, part of the plan . You know, you may have heard that you need it. I feel the harmony has called the u. S. Government mafia regime. And ben, you said the how the Us Government works. You. Busy realize that people interest the us citizens interest or the citizens of europe interest other peoples interest is not really the 1st biography. The 1st priority for american politicians is to get to the elected. And they get elected by raising millions of dollars and big oil companies, big manufactures Others Industries that benefit from was quite happy. You look at what they are doing in the u. S. A stock market in the last 3 months. And so that is going to be a priority, whether American People suffered or not is going to be concerned whats going to be the 2nd look the test consent of people like President Biden and other people who are in the white house. And that is why causing the kind of situation and then they realize that not only people in the United States, but people in asia and africa and other places are going to suffer. But americans could care less about suffering of the people. But they care about the american official is basically benefiting the small the other gene that theyre running and washing. But the purpose is that it, let me challenge you on this point because we both come from countries with a fairly large reserve war of resilience. You know, weve been exposed to harsh before, but the american population, by and large, are used to living pretty comfortable lives. And i have a lot of friends in the to states who are, who have been used to customers who bought into all this ideological rhetoric about freedoms and how the American Government or the american society, the american way of life, is exceptional. But now when they have to pay what they have to pay the gas pump, i think that perceptions are changing very rapidly and you can easily see the other cause the pulls that the sort of the social attitudes in the United States are changing, maybe not dramatically yeah, but a lot of people are actually questioning whether what theyve been told by their storage is, is indeed supported by the reality. Do you think its still business as usual in the United States this time around . Or do you think perhaps they may have been change in the collective . Not in the leadership, but in the way the collective decide to proceed to what leadership is doing. You know, thats a risk that Us Government took. They wanted to do this very much if you look at, for example, rand reports and the think banking in the United States. They publish that report in 2019 the years ago. Talking about this is the title of that report. They say, well, theyre reaching and unbalanced in russia. So, especially democrats in the United States, after 2016 election, nearly wanted to cause serious harm. Russia, the country, russia, as a nation. And thats was a very important go. And the american officials, you know, they rely on the Propaganda Machine that the Corporate Media in the United States provide. So, and then shutting down independent outlets thats not controlled by the media us media like mike r t. So sitting content that is not in line, that is a Foreign Policy both, and then im sure you and your family prior to that, if you years price, because yes, the Writer Network was also essentially ostracized. Them taking off International Airways because it was broadcasting something that wasnt in line with the american mainstream. But i tell you, it took a couple of years for the u. S. Good to go to that process. And they get to russia and outlets in a few days, but they did to couple of years. It took them just a few days to, to attack the russian media. So going back to your question, do this list that the american officials took that they taught that maybe the Corporate Media in the United States would justify all the harm thats going to be faced by the American People. And to be honest with you, i dont know when theres this level of propaganda is going to actually work or not. You have a segment of the american population. That is, yeah, i think what the binding administration is doing is powerful to the United States as a country. And theres a segment that is basically following the propaganda to them. I guess we will have to wait and see. But for the time being, lets take a very short break and well be back in just a few moments patient me. I only one main thing is important for not as an internationally speaking, that is, that nations thats allowed to do anything, all the mazda racism, the reason us had gemini, is so dangerous, is the, the sovereignty of all the country, or is business and business is good and that is the reality of what were facing, which is fashion with. Mm. Welcome back to. Well, the point with bought is id professor of Political Communications at the university of tech from professor before the break. We were talking about the risks that the, the Biden Administration took and trying to over extend and unbalanced russia. And i think it was a saw, an asian greek story teller who werent about dean capital for what one wishes for left it come true. I think it could be argued that the Biden Administration did that more to itself than to rush over its funding and, and balancing. But anyway, do you think they may initiate more geopolitical flareups a while in office, for example, in china over tie one or do you think theyve got enough on that plate for the time being . You know, americans are capable of doing all of the things that you mention. And i actually was quite surprised. And i listened to tony lincolns speech about china just a few days ago. And there were people in the United States that are doing that. And china could play a role by counting russia and fight this edition. Its coming from the United States. And there were some people who are doing that with policy. A good policy is actually causing difficulties between russia and china. And when i listen to lincoln, i realize that. Busy busy actually making a decision of putting pressure on china at the same time, i think russia, which is, i dont think its a video smart decision, but american officials are also not making my decisions in the past. And the result is that i think the chinese, the allies american, succeed in this campaign against russia. China is going to be next. And thats very important. Now, on the other hand, there was the situation with russia. Were afraid to more ample emphasis. There seems to be for the reduction of the Iranian Nuclear talk. Theyre in slow motion again. And while i understand whats in it with americans, after all, around the large oil producer, and we already mentioned be, you know, the discontent, american voters, when they come to the gas station, what i cannot understand is whats in it for iran. Why would your country need another agreement with americans that could be easily revolved by the Previous Administration by this, by this next administration. Rather. That is why you have a need as a really cost. Yes about it. Is this american saying that you food me once . Shame on you for me twice, change shame on me. So they dont, i dont either. Dont want to be sort of see the same problem again like the american b rains are actually starting the years folklore and relying on some of the American Fork wisdom. And you know, if you have some of those say, i dont know, my knowledge of russian is not that great. So i dont know if theres something similar to russian, but a, i expect, you know, this is, this is a very large something to do. And, you know, given that fact, if you on your lead is realize that competing with russia in the oil market is not going to be a good policy. I think the majority of the lot, and i think that having some sort of cooperation with russia because this is what i can do. They want to push on to position that the russian government is not going to the police. So the sabotaged united russia relations. But i think he does utilize the fact that competing with russia and Energy Market is not going to be something good. Because no matter what americans tell you the gender, the dont do what they say and they do other things. And this is the experience we have had the United States in the last 4 years. Now, the rain, they talked surrounding the Iranian Nuclear problem have been going on for so long and various iteration that its hard to understand what the center on for the time being uh they feel about your suppose the intention to have a military application of your Nuclear Technology or are they essentially about the mon, the pain that then the west can legitimately subject iran to what, what is it the center of those you know, one problem, major problem that we have is that based on the 2015 agreement, j. C, u a, the United States and other members of the 5 plus one that they do not in till you are to national, that cannot make relations. And that was, thats what, thats what the was supposed to get you done would get to the limitations and its a Peaceful Nuclear program. And the other side would stop sabotage and united economy internally would accept. And in reality, what happened was that they, they never really followed that article out of the agreement and then top left. So let me just clarify for our audience the agreement was signed, but be in practical terms. Many of the International Banks still refused to do business with randy and privacy. You never quite read the rewards that were promised they were on paper, but they never came to being materialized. That is a tool. And now what they want to do, what happened during the tough administration was that they put part of military under sanctions, the big, the called the military terrace organization, which has never been done before. And then they put that part of us military under sanctions. And the aim was to sabotage whatever the next administration in the United States decided to do. This is what people like Robert Maggie was needing. The American Team was saying at that time that the, the Top Administration is doing things to make the 2 g c, p. A very difficult now. 1 that these people are in power, it seems they want to continue the sanctions that created this addiction to sanctions that you see people in the white house have and they want to continue with that addiction. They want to achieve that sanctions. And the problem that is that this gives them a tool to basically sanction anybody in iran as the english, because they can just say that this person is linked to the military. And then thats, thats how the sanction that person. So by keeping you know, city under sanctions, they want to actually have a role of not doing what theyre supposed to do under the agreement. And thats what youd be. Theres a very cautious if youd like to whats going on. Now speaking about their reading liter, if you already mentioned the speech that i told him many gave a couple of weeks ago in which he talked about the need for the muslim world. And specifically, iran not to be sidelined as the world moves or tries to take a new shape guidelines. Many muslim countries were after the 2nd world war when the Current System was, was forming. How do you think the muslim world or the my which lets me this also divided across national 6, terry and political life. How do you think it could bring its weight to bear on International Politics . I think what you have decided and youre hoping that other muslim countries do the same is to actually have alliances and networks with countries that resisting us. Hey jim, and answer my question in china. And so the cultures are different. Religions are different. Cultural backgrounds are different and, but it is a Common Threat to humanity in washington and us policies are causing lots of difficulties for organ if people are on the wall. And so this is the. Busy hope that we have that countries that realize that countries that have the option of not full following us, you know that theres some going to do that under us pressure we have in this part of the world, we have countries that have us spaces inside, inside the country, its difficult for them to make in the end of 5 policy decisions. But for countries that are relatively less dependent on the United States, the hope is that having network in the coalition of countries that are going to resist that pressure thats coming from the United States and developing discussion. Thats why a lot of people admire what the russia is doing now, because russia and neither ship finally decided to say no to this aggressive policies that was coming from from the best that needs to be have that needs to be that needs to continue. And then our job in, in countries outside russia is actually to join forces to make sure that you as his, when he is going to and sooner than that, have been a professor. It is i currently from wrong i, i dont think any country can afford to take such a rebellious dance for cultural or your political reasons. But what im also seeing over the last couple of months is that many of the old rivalries, or, and movies had been repressed there many, a historical grievances between countries. Lets say india in china or russia in turkey, iran and some of the goals states. But i think these rapid changes in the International System that theyve been discussing throughout the program today. Of course, in many of the countries to sort of think outside the box. Do you think that can also happen closer to your home . Do you think that could be any rapprochement between the sunni and the share world to that would be in the, the grades that towards making the muslim world and its waived on. Busy International Politics out, you know, has been trying to do that since the 1979 stomach revolution, you know, has been supporting palestinians that you know, and suddenly muslims, and you dont actually have been think a lot of the high price of supporting for the senior especially with military technology, so they can defend themselves against israeli or probably thing else, a wave in International Politics and say its a very painful issue, but that influence is not that big. If we take, lets say the golf monarch is like the saudi arabia or the amorous has been very interesting to watch that the subtle changes in the politics of late, how they relate to china, how they relate to the United States. Do you think theres any interest in that in tech rama . Do you think around . Can take it a bit further . I think you have been, even before the current situation, ive been trying to improve relations with countries like saudi lee because you consider them to be enemies, enemies, enemies, the United States and countries like israel. So, improving traditions with the saudis, and youre going to be important and also, and you know, in our neighborhood you have to have extra relations with you. But as it was in, its just a few days ago you reservations countries back home on excel and you dont have good relations with iraq in august and the funding and other neighbors that you dont have. And relations with this country is, depends on how much the well to holler us, lee, my father and you eat have been historically clients of the United States. And you said as they realize that the us is inclining power, hopefully they develop more independent find policy. And if that happens, the united relation to this country is significant. Well, lets keep our fingers, i trust with that as well as with the rest of the world professor, its been a great pleasure talking to you. Thank you very much for this opportunity. Thank you. Thank you for watching hope you see her again little. Busy the part ah, with mm ah, what hes got to do is identify the threats that we have. Its crazy even foundation, let it be an arms race is on very dramatic and development only personally and getting to resist. I dont see how that strategy will be successful, very critical. Im time to sit down and talk. Ah, a time with ah, ah, 9 people are injured after ukraine again. 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