A cabal of new conservative thinkers and practitioners like victoria new lynn and the kagan and so on. So garvey, donald, the famous writer called the United States to the United States of amnesia because you know, everything in the media is sound bites and its more psychology than fact. So we have the domination of the Information Space by the us with twitter, putting people like scott ritter off and so on. So that is the traditional manufacturing of consent. And even more concerning is that there is an over simplification of very complex issues. One can, for instance, at a human level b of b against violence and against the invasion of ukraine by russia. But if you look at it at a geopolitical level, one can see that both russia and china being surrounded by americans, nato meliss, the basis. And the assertion is that nato is a defense of alliance. But i think brown, people like libyans or syrians or iraqis, we say that this is certainly not the case. And at least for the connie. So you know, the perspective from africa is that we want to be neutral. These are the, this war doesnt mean we dont have compassion with the ukrainians or the russians. Boat. People are dying on both sides at the geopolitical level. One can see that the russians were backed into a corner and almost had no option. On the other hand, at the national level, one must respect the rights of the ukrainians. Like many africans struggling for self determination, you know, de colonization wasnt just the colonization or the process for self determination. So this struggle with the neo cons is also at the civilizational level, you mentioned for piano, but you didnt mention Samuel Huntington in his clash of civilizations, you know, arguing that there is no prospect for you know, anything else but liberal internationalism. But in that entire book, he doesnt mention africa as if we dont exist. And this is a serious, serious problem because we are players in the world. We do contribute resources to the Global Economy and provide services and production to the International Division of labor that exists. So this is real challenge for africa to maintain. Youre trying to g, you mentioned the ukrainians. Try for self determination. I think it has to be respected. In fact, that russia made it flashed to respected by freeing itself from russian political influence does not have to mean prostituting the land with americans. I mean, one of the things that is, i think a public records right now is the effort by the west to ask that its militarization ukrainian territory. I wonder why do you think, what was the motivation behind it . Because its hard to decide, again, after having all those wars and how much they caused the american taxpayers. And how little they brought to the ordinary people in the United States and around the world. Its hard to understand why would be the so called neo con cabal. Even though it was many representatives of the democratic party, why would it persist on doing the same thing over and over and over and over again . Well, i think if you listen to people i john mearsheimer, they say the term america believes its the shining city on the hill and have a responsibility to protect populations as well as the responsibility to promote democracy. Unfortunately, on the us of repeats this on this, this, i dont know, process in country after country because these people are simply not reflective of garnished on the left with their tails between their legs and libya is a complete message was the best african country as an incredible catastrophe, and its the same thats happening in ukraine. Now. These were preventable chrisy crises, in 2000. I mean, last year, i mean, had the nato and the others chatted to russia and come to sort or some sort of agreement so that the russians in easton, ukraine could be protected. Ukraine could have been as professor michael hudson, who appears on your show, said it could have been a bridge and a buffer. You see zalinski now talking about neutrality. And if that proposition had been put forward between 2014 and now a lot of the problems would have been solved. So when we come to why the neocons do things neocons do things because they feel they have an obligation to the world. But they also are very, very bizarre, re, like the iranian, say they just doing do so that it works for their interests or what their perceived interests are. But i mean, if one just simply looks at a map of basis and massage stations, i mean that its, or its more than coincidental that russia is actually being surrounded and being targeted as an enemy. I mean, the ridiculous notion that message systems in rowing out there to protect europe from iran, iranian massage strikes. I mean, this is the level of deception that goes on. That said, is race is constitutive in south africa. You know, a politics. Youre not going to get around the domination, you know, by the soviets of was opec countries like ukraine, entities formative. But the, at the end of the day, we know this invasion or whatever you from them you want to use for it was preventable, and this violence is only going to get worse. The position that puts averaging the income is much lower. Its 10 to 20 percent. Where is in africa, the proportion of peoples average expenditure and food is about 40 to 50 percent. So you know, the north and no europe in america can fool their people because they saying this is put in inflation. But is it really because inflation was rising before the war . So even in very period 2020 to 2021. There was a 20 percent increase in the price of food and now its 40 percent over the amount of money that will be you in the United States. Rent it really clear that the inflation is driven by, you know, the printing machine that is turning out, turning out money like crazy with absolutely no consideration. Whats going to happen . Well, one thing is, one can look at quantitative easing, which was necessary at the time. The problem is the distribution of the quantitative easing, which was pushed towards asset prices and the rich wrong. Most of the stock market and bonds. It wasnt distributed to the people. I think q e was absolutely necessary to forestall a global crisis. That was closed, essentially by u. S. That of it, of products and practices. But there is also significant market monopolization. And so you have a few u. S. And e. U Companies Dominating International Trade in coffee and grains. You know, people like car deal and then you have others like monsanto and by on fertilizers and so on. So they seemed rather the argument that we say its money printing thats caused the inflation. No, its also monopolization, as well as a ranch interests and people who are simply taking advantage of the crisis so that they can raise prices. And this is very indicative of the problem of rising inequality. I mean, it shows that the Economic System pushed forward by the e u and the u. S. Which is basically neoconservatism plus neoliberalism shows that they really dont care about. They own people, actually, they could not care less about the impact on their people. And we wait for our activists and progressive friends in the north to actually start having discussions in our inequality is cold for class. But why cant we say that theres a class war going on . Yeah, well, well, well talk more about that after a short break. But between b i, we have to take it, we will be back in just a few moments session. Ah ah ah, ah ah ah, just in this was never quite offended on both the cost estimate sure. I mean, if a twinge quit that we talked about and then potentially will open really push more. If i go to like a threat to shop, they just love the polish blue. I like that if you want to put my love, what i ah, with a bunch of them are in the picture where if you move to who is going to the Group Insurance Card Group Company with. 5 political m e a with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with, with a welcome back to, well, the president , a researcher for the South African chapter. Hold the southern and east african trade institute. We asked before the break, we were discussing the implications of this conflict. The, as well as the globalized economic and political system for russia, for europe, for the United States. Now lets turn our attention to africa and i recently came across a great quote from i q one this year in playwright and boy than the, the 1st, the heron recipient. Theyll be nobel prize in literature. Who said that a tiger does not shout, its tied to it. I wonder if part of the problem or by the formations with the math, that the world is in the right now, is that for you, long humane in countries pretended to act rather than acted and whether it be crisis as best as it is, would force governments around the world to actually take their own decisions in the best interest of that old people, rather than referring or diverting judgment to the so called neil li for neo clinic. About that. You mentioned before, i think for africans the situation is such that were in a position of great dependency. And i think russia needs to appreciate what great dependency we are in most of our countries to, to northern countries or west and banks, private in the private sector on official loans. So the position of neutrality is very, very expensive for africa. And on a civilizational level, what we see is we see a doubling down or the u. S. In the you pushing your liberal policies, you know, saying if you bought it, we will come and invest, you know, and none of that has, is really happening. Capital flows down and even if we do get info so that we can benefit, you know, from trading. So finance and investment links, you know, it hardly ever happens because they monopolize the sector or the monopolize the investment. So i dont see a major change coming through. And even with the exception of president bush and russia has followed a large linear liberal path, even though it has changed its position on or you know, having a weaker currency. So you can encourage manufacturers, and we kind of forget that everyone literally copied the american system of manufacturer manufacturers by alexander hamilton, who was then followed by frederick list and then followed by pre bolshevik russia through saturday. And for example, linen did the trans siberian highway. You know, railway which is actually one of the communication infrastructures recommended by saturday video. And i think we need to, we will move to Something Like that where countries focus on the actual gains afraid instead of making a country 60 enough for america to invest in well. But for sure, 1st of all, i appreciate your deep knowledge of the russian history of it. I would also add from my side that i think russian from african countries, especially resource rich countries, share certain similarities because russia to was being used by the west certain point by allowing you to extract our Natural Resources in exchange for aid and developmental advice that seem to be benefactors more than theyve been a fisheries. And yet the decision point, the decision was made to cut down on external death and russia after the cost of the so we had enormous that it managed to pay it all. It also made certain moves in favor or sell proficiency. So locating crucial industries within the country for the rainy, the rich, everything now has come. Dont you think that thats all for some, you know, things to at least ponder about for some of the african countries at least as far as self sufficiency is concerned. Because i know that many of the african countries economically are very specialized than that since the global we said jumbo, but that leaves them out in the old one that can damage or a major other disruption and supplies stripes. Russia has done remarkably well after the mignon ski act and the sanctions that were imposed. Or you know, after that as well, russia has certainly taken steps to improve its resilience and its productive capacity. But what we have not seen is russia sterilizing. The inflows of rovers or you know, Foreign Exchange coming in those that are allowed like the norwegian sovereign well fun does because if you have too much appreciation of your currency, its going to knock your productive capacity simply because your exports are going to become too expensive and we havent seen moves on that on russias proposal to the brakes and sharing of information like the need for alternate of Credit Ratings agencies or the need for an alternative payment system. I think here african countries can learn enormous in enormous amount from russia, particularly on Credit Ratings agencies. And as well, i think russia to step up, its support to african countries, particularly on the payment system. Because this is where african countries are most vulnerable. You will see african countries changing tech, not because, you know, the soviet union didnt support african countries in india, colonial, strong anti colonial struggles and all that. But because african countries are very dependent, a key thing here was the control, the u. S. And e. You have over the w h o, the russians put, nick vaccine was not approved. So it undermined africans ability to get the Technology Transfer that russia offered so freely. And practically anyone who said that they dealt with the russians on this was that they were all figuring real hands on capacity building. And it was bo gates who stood up and said, no, we wont need to have this controlled. You know, were not going to approve it at w h o re not going to get funds for this kind of medicine. And this was a shortage. And they left the africans with 17 percent ver, vaccine coverage. And then they go to the w 2. And so were concerned about you and they block, you know, steps that we can take to be self reliant in vaccines. The situation is really, really incredulous. I mean, they left us hanging and the russians were there, but we were constrained. You seem to be using a lot of pacify language here. They laugh at me, we werent able to add it. I like to quote, this statement from one of the heroes of the Indian National movement. Who said that freedom is not given its taken. Dont you think that perhaps the time has come . Its the time of the time when many governments are walking very 5 roads, but when they have to make crucial decisions for that population, to perhaps disobey some of these global wisdom delivering consorts. So, you know, make decisions that people do that. Yes, that is true. But you know, like people say we talk about ukrainian sovereignty and its, you know, natos open doors suffering for your brain to enter. You know, its a complete life. And you can say about that because they undermine african and other peoples soft realty, all the time, the action of the us to african neutrality on the un security council. Decisions in the General Assembly has been to pass and act that will monitor russian activities in africa as if they had a School Teacher who can walk around with a cane, teaching african countries. So the scope for action for african countries is very limited. African countries need to take a position thats more coming focusing on the interest, but they need to be coming to do that because they will be put and i am, if you are not have access to medicines or have the funding cut for a lot of things so thats, i was saying that russia needs to understand the very precarious nature of african african countries. And i think that if russia and china can offer meaningful alternatives to african countries, we will be able to step out of the dependency, but with out the us. But with the u. S. Pushing very strongly against africans. Now, its going to get harder and harder and you will see some defections, for example, kenya stoking a strong game against russia. When its dependent on bella, luce and russia for so much of its fertilizer, its going to face fertilizer crisis, because its simply wont be able to get them on the market. Europe is going to take a 1st preference, and kenya is going to be left behind. So you see this happening already, but yes, we do hope our countries will focus on national interests. I mean, put in stepped up and replaced Shock Therapy with nationalist interest. Sometimes we get worried about alexandra jogan and those kinda folks that are referred to. But we have not had our nationalist moment or put in moment way after liberation of freedom from colonial domination where we could act in the interest of all people. While the picture youre reading is really in depressive. So perhaps let me ask you 11 more question that is quite concerning, but maybe it has some hope when it as well. Many economists are warning about famine in northern and Central Africa because of the a rising fuel and rain prices. And i know that russia, for example, takes it seriously. They had of the African Union visited this country just a few weeks ago, and he got reassurances from the kremlin that russia would do Everything Possible not to subject those countries to the negative implications of the ukrainian conflict. But there are real concerns here that the west may intervene or interfere with the logistics for the sake of presenting, rushing and negative lives. I want want to ask you about that specifically, do you think theres anything that the african countries can do to make sure that these 2 opposing camps rush on one side in the west of the other side could be brought to that humanity in delivering something as basic and something as necessary as grains to africa. Do you think there is any hope of finding a compromise there . I know the ukraine because its too hot, but at least far away in africa. Well, i like i said, the hypocrisy of the north knows no bones there, shameless or come on. We are the largest those in the country up in the world and we, we do, i care about humanity, not only our humanity, but everybody else has to. Am entered in the dialectic of north and south, no geographic, but okay, ill say the west because because of the silent century, russias position in the west is questionable as the europeans like to keep reminding us. No, i think theres a lot of hope because im lucky, sol from senegal is meeting with president putin, i think right now. And you know, when you speak to diplomats coming out of meetings with the russians over the kremlin, you know, they say they treated us with respect. They listened attentively. They asked pertinent questions and they provided solutions and told us where the difficulties are. The primary cause of the, of the shortages is basically the shipping routes and the, you know, the insurance, and im not sure the u. S. Or the e u is going to, is going to move on this. So this crisis is going to continue. But what i think the africans do appreciate is the very attentive nature and the concern outlook that the kremlin is giving. And you know, its so simple, you know, the africans are saying, you know, the russians treated as decently and with respect. I mean, you know, if you go to the w t o, africans try and get some correction on the destructive subsidies, the subsidies that the u and the u. S. Gave its about 631000000. 00 a year. That basically allows european pharmacy to sell a product at the, at a price that is lower than what africans can produce. So i think on the food level and on the health level, the relations between africa and russia can be improved. But im worried about the african countries bending to the u. S. U. S. Because of the pressure of hunger and its going to be devastating for people. But i think whats coming out of the kremlin in cooperation with the African Union is a remarkable, we just need the, you and the u. S. To stop there, nonsense on sanctions and allowing shipping and insurance so that people dont die area on this very sobering, theyll be have to be there. Thank you very much for your thoughts today. Much obliged. Thank you for watching a cold this year. Again, all the parts with mm ah ah though sure, completely new administrative restore can just look up for your own of natalie muscle is running noon. She judy doesnt being in the green shield on a nurse to me as priscilla. Mamma cook as gosh, sit to somebody, tamika, barbara, his ashley of a dc wanted was little bit of pieces, goes down to the bubbles. Wonder if its but of course ration did omitted for not not but the key for the ching of crimes in the world for furnished the variety something. Yeah, weve got and then we got that was there i was we werent able residencia. Oh, great lisa. Oh, during the 2nd world war in nazi occupied, poland valencia was a farming region. Today its part of ukraine. 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