The promo code to wherever you are. Joining us from this is on the International Good to have your company. This broke off to breaking news for you on the heels of us. What expelling a top indian dip to mont, new tele, has retaliated in kind, altering out a Senior Canadian official. The. The high commissioner of canada to india was summoned today and informed about the decision of the government of india to expel a Senior Canadian diplomat based in india. The concerned diplomat has been asked to leave india within the next 5 days. The decision reflects the government of india is growing concerned that the interference of canadian diplomats in our internal matters and their involvement in anti india activities while to total cost through all of this because it is foss developing. Were new, but reaction from new delhi this morning, all teams went and shot him and joining us from engine capital, which is good to have, you just bring us up to speed on this political timeline. Looks like quite a serious risk might be developing him as well. Yes, it is in the system for tasks, diplomacy by india, rather quickly measure taken by india, its spelling, the canadian to for math. So based in new denny giving them 5 day notice to me is this one of these off to of costs of canada, choosing the Indian Government open bowman o u t link 8 seek separatist leader called her the same nature. Now this guy is wanted in india and the canadian government tomato, the canadian prime minnes stuff, as well as the opposition making these allegations no prove no evidence bill doing remember is still under investigation. Yes, we see canada, its fair, an indian diploma. Not only thats not on the sacking the indian diplomats, but also recently remember canada halted sweet talk. Suppose they said talks with the india and a boost sage. Really, it is looking like gus, that pseudo is ready to deal with radical explain the seller when so as long as the selves, hes a political book both the other than taking action against these radical elements. What did the do . He basically took action against india over the past number of weeks, canadian security agencies have been actively pursuing credible allegations of a potential link between agents of the government of india and the killing of a canadian citizen har dave sing. Major. The i think we might have lost runs on that, but dont worry because what we do have you is a wonderful kind of test lined up. So were just gonna cross over now to chad pawsman. No, professor of india right down the national, open invested capital. Come all Foreign Affairs ex, but weve been to such as an Editor Research to india today as you come a job. Just want to thank you so much for joining us. I mean, i want to ask you 1st cap to, i mean we had some truth to yesterday. We heard from you teddy this morning. I just wanna get your initial reaction to this escalation and why you think it might be going a z. My pleasure, the action is that mister to go and i call him now mister toodle, a dentist must know that this is new. India is it not by . Indeed all he has better coverage. Gimme is back and get it out. Well, what about . Yeah, thats become it, get at least one said kidding. Theres financing and dental. It should shut during state in the one long time, the buildings or the studies that you guys know, what are you going to do . Because when you cant, i dont really denmore this guy and everything by toodle and the problem is get it in the middle and youd be able to give the country the only fair to go to me. Im getting rid of, i was just, well, you know, im sure lot drug or the probably them to stop that guide. No activity, but they will not stop another bill and theyre not on the music he wouldnt before. The date, i cant talk nonsense about you. Great. Result can you dont do. Im just like i said, im a product strong bad. Huge wouldnt be equally good because when he got distrust vision in the association, youre going to get off the im going to get into i just want to all scare we all to see how its capital, the very strong opinions on and just intruder. If im not mistaken, you bought you spend some time in canada or new recently. So what do you think the canadian position is here . Why are they coming from when they throw out this very serious allegation . And it doesnt seem that yeah, the small public key, they have the intelligence to back it off. Do you see this little is that i meant that a couple see is there is a booby, it looks moment it is only there they are. It said where i am, but i shouldnt be the money. Theyre gonna get a lot of money in terms of the think about that is done for more than what i needed to ship a bit of money. Which site keeps on coming up on whos gonna need themselves for me . Is the getting the job that the i go to i if somebody needs to be competitive. Yeah. Its like is outside of sports, is that it is going back to im sure like that with all of these deputies, but maybe i havent been able to find themselves the support again can go on i on if i be okay, could i sorry, could i just go back to the question, still stands just for the canadian perspective on this what, what it is coming from and what his, what hes trying to achieve k think see, is the question directed to me . Yes, yes, yes, please. Okay, so see of the new democratic body which isnt aligned spot there also. Uh Prime Minister to those alliance is leg by drug meet. See who is a very sort of, um, you know, very popular leader. In fact the, the last, the last election he was a challenge sort of, um is good to go. Uh, so, um, so, so that goes to june. So very heavy, right . Sure. On the, to the government because a new Democratic Party without the new Democratic Party to those government would actually pull. So dive, i think is a very, very important factor. In fact, john meeting himself on the, on the, on the floor of the house of commons, e spoken punjabi. And hes spoken english both the time condemning this, killing off for the car to have deep seeing the job by, you know, those are not a body. I mean, i, i quoted, you said i call out allies to condemn those violence is direct violence of a sovereign nations. Right . So to condemn this in the offices while super dumbs is big question. Punjabi, why . Because of, thats the language of cx, one of the largest, one that ive just, you know, dice for rob indians, back in canada, in fact to meet seeing that prevents barnaby, which is next to savvy with the feeling took place into on june 18th, off, how deep seeing the john was, was in this case, president of the sick, a lot of the allegations against me just it was organizing and a little piece of the that for them on a septic, a seek the state of college, some insight on it. And the apologies knew about it, but it did not do anything to stop me. In the fact that on earlier saturday uh in the morning read them all in barnaby right next to a double the illegal. I forgot to got some deep song to theres a lot of violence between. Yeah, and there which again, the canadian apologies have not been able to deal with what they do is they immediately went through investigation. Uh, name uh you know, the country concerned as direct tv in more dental tv. The feelings that have taken place in that area. Yes. I mean, and the by areas on fargo metro, vancouver. So my super simple point is not a bullet to go, but i shut on up by ministers. 2 adults run deck, meets a rama of from played unions, videos in that area a lot. Do me learn to buy a seat leaders. In fact, they had to come to a door, lets do a private is door to door. Then there was a massive, crazy union strike against him in the boss. And of course there is a lot of funding that, you know, park is received wrong. These guys were all groups, so the, the trouble is that the indian dies for i is divided between the Seat Community and the can do. And all the communities, christians and muslims in canada. And because the because number or the whole organized groups are the see me, which i bought up, as i said, i live spot there off of, of, of, of, of the Prime Minister trudel. That its a lot of the black shows on Prime Minister to the but remember the same drug meet, see what was actually a trivial nearly to from burnaby. He in the past with a challenge it all up president to do i, ill pragmatist go to look at that time. There is no obligations. The whole name just needs a cross to, well, id be game on the spot, the Prime Minister then these kind of obligations have become. So its unfortunate because it is leading the donation of relationship to the decline of relationship between the 2 countries. They want about to sign a fleet trade agreements. Themes that come from down there, the talking to india. Everyone was looking forward to that. Dieting have been put on a back burner. Now both the countries have exposure diplomats gathered up the guide by expelling the indian diploma on tomorrow night of the off the wall. And then india has to google a sort of gone back by expanding a canadian diploma. Now this is a really big so i think the both sides should come to an understanding that in the, in the boss have done a similar thing with chinese diplomats. And they have in fact in fact the cd 0. What backs i was intended on myself for a few months of the work as a series of attacks on time use. Apologies. The chinese water be due to failing in canadian of politics and there was similar kind of a back. This is the 1st time the it does happen with india. Very unfortunate. And i think these dont come to one and im, they should try and talk to both sides. And because of, you know, both of the, they all have down there. Dont both are members of to 20. So is china. And this almost seems like theres a kind of wrestling on government, you know, dealing with, uh, problems like colleagues inside india. I mean, we buy them in the pasta suffix, did problem in india, the subject stage, the by, you know, of so far the college stymies, which was 6 separate this, many of them actually on the, on the issue of human rights. That it ends up giving them immigration. The one second is down dead. In fact, uh uh, in this case, i believe signature he was wanted in 70 cases. There was f, i you, i was against him at different points of time. But despite the died, did they end up getting immigration into gathered up, then they end up getting citizenship and, you know, done devices through certain positions of our so its very unfortunate that you know, this is allowed in the name of the one rides, is the press on developing countries like india or china in this case and other countries because all of the deals with, you know, different kinds of domestic pressures. So im hoping that can i, um ask too. Thanks for your patience. Do you find it surprising that Justin Trudeau made this very bold statement in front of a lot of people in front of the International Community . And he does not provide any intelligence that might be solve private need. We dont know, but we are expected to take this at face value. So thank you so much. Just made it to be able to do one. I dont find it surprising actually. You know, if youve been tracking whats happening with between canada and india, canadian authorities or to the, the ministry of Foreign Affairs has for some months, been talking that india or theyve been living that india is in defending. And its internal affairs, basically native. So internal affairs, i need named and deal along with china. So this has been mentioned by the father administrative get it off for the past few months a few times. Now i think, but what is surprising, its not surprising, but maybe understanding what is the i me know because of the timing i think lose because i mentioned enough but overall in the g 20 summit hit in daily google about of me. Not about it, and it did not get the amount of time that the vice vertical, etc, of it 5 minutes to a movie for multiple areas of the specials, including the feed rate. Now what happened . I loved you. 20 meetings was that off to the record that india has sort of brutal that even rock will see it on the free trade agreements. Im listening to this mike, but with respect to the call us on the extremism in canada, as i was so in the effectively pulled the blade deal is on almost google in that reading. Also mentioned to Prime Minister movie. Thats the Canadian Affairs that google raises the issue off interference and get it as into another b as with fine with this feel movie. Right . So to dimension or to prime is a bottom piece. So what i think happened what, think the timing is that g to india will to back home now. So this is a step in retaliation. You would say on the account of india 0 publicly saying that the opposing the trade in our lives, the manual call as long as sorted out. So with respect to the timing, i think thats the biggest, but with respect to as to, if this was the expect surprising to me honestly, it was not surprising. But what is surprising to me because this thing was blowing for Something Like between the 2 nations below, plus it can be opposite demolition. Call this not that pushing back saying that you know, the level of expression. But you know, the goals are to hate crimes and those are different like that. But then theyre also, you know, loving back to india. Something that, that, you know, youre in the fitting, in internal affairs. But what i dont find the most surprising is actually when to to say is that upset. I think its a cool all the for the administer that we have, or i have to call also to President Biden and brian list of issues. So not about this, michael, not that is something you know, going even more beyond the biological sites. So what it is would be in, in data canada, fine, itll be happy for doctors and diplomacy and all you expel osbee explorers as be. So what they should have bought, but deep down there are differences and consumes huge which india has with respect to, you know, the extreme is in the larger use and such a being, you know, just being there in canada, you little blossoming and get it. I know its, but the other thing i would say is that the, by all looks and by boons, it seems that i feel the spiral is downwards, and this spiral maybe will continued onwards, all go the only change, good to go my thing, but im so leaves office, if he leaves, you know, his election is due and i think october, was it a good fight . So given the, you know, the given the bad gauge that to has been with the india, the negative baggage, i think in broken and immunizations will the next 2 years remain on i use. And i see what the other thing which im going back again to, which i do find surprising. And again, not in good based for india, i think, is that when you know a country canada was inbox to buy it and then, and lets see. So look at the bottom here, talk to them right here, the g 20. So if they had the meetings or maybe hes made a phone, vaughn adult each one of them about this matter. So thats a pretty disconcerting issue. You know, its like youre picking your visa with respect to india or what was the word thats marked down . I dont think, but maybe it was as well. Thank you very much. I just want to ask was very quick. Do you want to do a final question couple just to, to wrap up quickly if you could. Im what do you think this is going to go now . Is kind of just going to fax track is in deal going to escalate whats your projection is . Yeah, i actually view the tube escalate because we are not a gone. You ended up via motors, ones, funding. Theyre wanting to make their country together. This country ive been modeling as much was mentioned in the 2. 00 on the german displeasure. Youre going to send me a measuring to be done on the spot, but i dropped one of these nice dinings the assemblage douglas, im just sending the major exam is the new dig in 2018. I was in the selection coming to do you want fellowship sending me of what of a book, any dealings to do and the guy, you know, the same exact thing during the holiday, subbed among the drivers. We had visited the funds. The problem is, i dont want to study the drivers in a concrete, we are a bit more predicted by contribution and the union is going to be joining the big guys. Wants to do something the month with product. Just type a couple of days to stop that that day and these channels that well get, well get rid of the properties that changes property guides in i was not like this program and this is what theyve been doing. Ok, the games and they were doing furnish, didnt know what i need to get him. I think we have no data on it. On the damn thing we had before. Yeah. But how strong god are the against the little did not because he did bring the the share and then to get it on. Oh, okay. Good deal. Okay. Also just the final thoughts from you. You know, it was reading uh in the office, me and one of the greatest overseas indian communities is actually in canada, around one and a half 1000000 people with canadian of Indian Heritage slip stuff. I mean, its a bit disappointing, isnt it . Maybe the trigger didnt take them off the couldnt tip come optic. Pauls given his own citizens. Obviously a cool kind of between these 2 coaches opposite what you soon. I yes, absolutely. I think your right, somebody unfortunate that given the kind of political pressure on the minority government off, but im going to start to go and you know, its a really pleasure to listen. As i pointed to you, hes one of the largest Partners Office and your democratic part, the dutch ive been saying he was the biggest challenge of a Prime Minister to go in the election in the previous election. So bend in the last election, john n d b did not perform very well. Then he got the yeah, get the leg by the me. See shifted on became a line, spots stood up to those body. So this special is there a Prime Minister to though, and im the problem is as you likely pointed out, the Indian Community is much larger than just a section of the community. What seats and among the seats, in fact, a very small community, i would say, you know, support the idea of the simplex state of college done. So if you want to actually becoming a mouthpiece hall with a very much more binding minority which is very loud, that goes very organized, probably given me like some funding due to those parties. It is very unfortunate because of that reason why the reason of pregnant is door to door has almost ended up through his allegations destroyed is great, but id ship that in the end done to the boss. So i think this will try and resolve this issue because this is a continuing issue. I mean, think offered a free trade agreements of what the, the highest number of Indian Students blowing to studying the war, the wind, canada number 2 ways us direct us because thats how gum. So there is great sort of movement between the 2 countries. You know, that, you know, as, as the canadian south to the foundation is such a lovely thing. Foundation have lots of lots in terms of read, one of the other sort of cultural exchanges to destroy all this because of what kind of political pressure um i do in the next 2 years. Because a platinum is the 2 locations. Im election september of of 2025. I think so. So the next 2 years is going to be very challenging. And i think what he needs to do, what practice the needs to do is before making such allegations, you know, for them like when b as in fact the, all of them are going to meet in the, in the you wouldnt meeting which is coming up recently advisable hard, but you went to another some of the main thing to make such allegations. People do politically does like President Biden like politeness, the lack of the letter that shows that youre actually making a very small issue into a very sort of monthly labs really big issue. Which is, you know, very, very shocking. I would say, in fact, the best policy one would expect from upright from Prime Minister to build it. Dont it . Dont you know, and go to Prime Minister multi folder and try and sort of resolve this. But its very unfortunate this is happening and it doesnt fully well either for International Diplomacy nor for 5 minutes go through those election, many bases. And also i wanted to of, to ruben. Uh, 11 final thing im you mentioned while the i was looking at the coverage around the g 20. Now just to introduce that out to new daddy. And he said, i want to make ukraine a top of my so i want it to be a dress and obviously at the g 20, they did not want to make thoughts of priority on these things. Looking at in the big a sort of tier political context here, but perhaps an under current of this reset and developing spot between canada and india is india is neutral, independent and policy that its pursuing a great question. Other deep question. Yeah, i do think so, as you say, and as you also said under govern. So you know that there had been several under good names between india and canada, especially because of this issue of college style. And theyve been numerous incidents over the last few years. Im in about 6 months or. Ready ready of florida, but 8 of in the us Prime Minister showing as being assassinated, lived in a public html gathering up set traps. So what and also cause this a statement by to, to a Public Statement cv, do know that even though maybe couple suppressing india to engage that in skiing to the g. 20. The dont hold up. But america and of course india slat. But america did not say publicly, you know, that im going to ask india to do this. Excuse me, a doodle by saying that publicly and privately, you know, in the diplomacy, a lot of things theyll say, then all that and understood would be, you know, the between the leaders all the lucky with those. But it just intruded by saying it publicly was fine. To innovate again, spike in india, i think that you would start, he would, you know, raise where you create an issue or an earlier also that inviting zelinski. So i think that also i did a little bit of, you know, unhappiness with them. The indian establishment awful. Read canada is the or brutal is leading canada now quickly. Um, if i mentioned regarding by sport i, you know, im a cool phone little thing. And in the us, but our community in the us via supposedly the largest little be in america, we are seeing this call us on issue in the United States also. Right. And of course, the Indian Government has been picking it up with us. We had what have been, so live in san francisco, you know, uh, you know, being so easy, you know, miscreants and awesome attempted actually their life. So the us taking steps and india appreciates that uh with us in the case of canada. Somehow, there is a reality auto perception that cannot stop picking indias complaints. So you to see, i do understand the point which i believes and be on the side that google is under general and the photo components phones. And hes linked to the part of his brain cuz i wanted to go send some to understand that. But the total for that, but as a much better job off i those thing you and ask themselves because working just finding out its not only that these extremists elements are, you know, like, uh, looking to support, you know, looking to damage or hurt in the, of these elements within canada are indulging in gang along so i think one of my colleagues also is i do have you deluxe really upset about that, right and the out of danger to the canadian society. Good. So also, india has made the same argument and same logical, the United Kingdom also, and then you get intelligence on their own. They came up with that, you know, that the correspond elements in, in that you do. Although danger to the traditional site, it says plug it in the right. So google for some reason has not been able to bridge the gap and big any effective steps. Also, india, that these you see it is, um, it essentially these will also, i think the understand that the problem im in a country mean made prior to this didnt not be able to do anything right. But to help with the seem to be trying to, to has not seemed to be able to be drawing on have input feet above the consultants that india has. This thing, this would have been, well, it was wonderful to have 23, and joining us. Thank you. So much that was capital coma camacho and were been such a great to have your insight on this issue. Have a great day. Thank you. The only thing on ukraine is taking its case to quote against poland, subject to the hungry and legal action picked off of the world trade organization. Often the 3 e states refused to lift a bond on ukrainian green exports according to publish medium. The trio was apparently a bond in england. You project the primitive keeps grade on the paper, walk it the poland, hundreds to the vac here withdrawing from the platform due to procedural caution. And the fact that you crane could use the information provide on the called Mission Platform against these 3 countries, and its pre doubled to your proceedings. Ukraine in poland are starting to sound like a couple whose marriages on the rocks and have consulted divorce lawyers with poland being told to avoid any contract that could possibly be used against it and legal proceedings. What happens with these 2 lovebirds . It seems like just yesterday, poland was bullying western European Countries like germany and france to caught gifts of weapons for its girlfriends live mirror zalinski. Now its taking self preservation measures along with its neighbors hungry. And so that key against what sounds like a really toxic partner. One who keeps making demands even when you say no in defense of your own interest. Doing whats right for yourself, isnt that what everyones told to do in relationships . Well, what happened is that these countries bordering ukraine insisted that ukrainian gray be banned from import into their countries for fear that otherwise it would just end up stuck there and competing with their own farmers gray and driving its value down and not even a month before the next polish National Election on october 15, so really bad timing if that were to happen. So instead of trying to see the solution from these countries perspective, have blue gasket and is now just sued all 3 of them through the world trade organization. It is important to prove that these actions are legally wrong, and thats why we will start legal proceedings. The systemic approach of budapest and warsaw of ignoring the position of the institutions and trade policy, i think, will be