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Assembly. And sources tell nbc news, the grand jury investigating the shooting death of Michael Brown by officer Darren Wilson will reconvene monday. Yesterday, police put up barricades where that grand jury sits. Residents in the area are voicing concern about not knowing whats going to happen next. I know not knowing whats going to happen after the verdict comes. Its just scary situation. My colleague, craig melvin on the ground in ferguson this afternoon. And craig, with a welcome to you. Do you get a sense from residents theyre becoming more concerned the longer it takes for this grand jury to make a decision. Yeah. Thats exactly the sense you get, alex. Everyones anxious. Folks who live in the area, Law Enforcement, everyones anxious. And it does not help that, you know, every day theres some sort of rumor that, okay, this is going to be the day. Oh, you know, i heard from this guy, this is going to be the day. The fact of the matter is, at this point, all we know is that come tomorrow, that 12member grand jury is going to reconv e reconvene. We do not know theyre going to actually vote tomorrow. And if they do vote, we dont know whether theres going to be announcement tomorrow. They could still very well continue to review evidence, pore over testimony. You know, one of the things that i think a lot of folks are probably forgotten about this grand jury. These folks arent sequestered. They meet when their schedule allows. Initially Bob Mccullough the prosecutor said he expected an announcement some time between mid to late november. Their term has been extended until january. So this idea that youve got these jurors sitting around a table every day for hours on d end, that does not appear to be the case. I spent some time yesterday talking to captain ron johnson. During the unrest in the wake of the Michael Brown shooting. He was the guy that was brought in to help ease the tensions, to help bridge the gap between the protesters and police this time around he is part of a unified command. But he is still very much the face of the Law Enforcement response should there be one. I spent some time with him last night. And i asked him a little bit about what you can expect once the grand jury finally announces a decision. Heres what he told him. I expect whatever that decision is, well have people to take the streets and voice their opinions. But silently . I dont think its going to be what people expect it to be and what some people may want it to be. I think the character of this community will come out. And heres why captain johnson says over the past few months, Law Enforcement has spent a great deal of time meeting with protesters. A lot of the protests that are planned have supposedly been organized for some time. Law enforcement has met with these protesters, at least half dozen times, were told. So much so, in fact, a few days ago, they released a so called rules of engagement. You know, they promised not to use excessive force. They promised to make valuing human life the number one priority for both sides. Would not rule out using tear gas or rubber bullets should the situation warrant. Good conversation they have with them. Im glad he senses at this point that things will stay in control. I mean, thats the message i got from what he was telling you and we can hope that will be the case. Yes. Okay, craig, thank you so much. Well, president obamas weighing in today on the fallout from the ferguson shooting saying more than ever the relationship between minorities and the police needs to get stronger. In the end, what ive confidence in is if we do a better job of training our Law Enforcement to be sensitive to the concerns of minority communities, then over time, trust can be built. In part because minority communities are typically subject to more crime. They need Law Enforcement more than anybody. Lets get right to nbc White House Correspondent kristen welker. Good day to you. Ferguson was a big part of the president s interview today. What more did we learn about how he and the administration are preparing for this grand jury decision . Well, alex, good afternoon. President obama saying he and the top officials have been in contact with state officials in missouri. President obama calling governor jay nixon to make sure that they have a plan in place to deal with whatever the reaction is to the grand jurys decision. And the message that were hearing coming from this administration. From the president , from attorney general eric holder is that they are urgenti iurging c peaceful response, and those comments echo what were hearing from the brown family itself. Michael browns father saying he doesnt want his sons death to be in vain. He doesnt want people to perpetuate this tragedy with more violence. Now, president obama has been very measured in his comments. Some activists have wanted him to be stronger, to have an opinion about what happened. But, remember, the Justice Department is investigating this. So the president i anticipate is going to withhold any type of judgment until there is an actual grand jury decision that comes down. Instead, president obama saying alex, quote, now is the time for healing. Now is the time for peace. Interestingly, though, he didnt rule out a visit to ferguson. So thats something that well be watching for after that grand jury decision comes down, alex. Yeah, that would be very interesting. What about the reaction, his reaction to the executive order on immigration. What do you have to say about that . Well, as you know, republicans infuriated by the president s announcement last week that he was going to act unilaterally on Immigration Reform. We heard a lot of that on the sunday shows. Senator ted cruz today saying that the president had overstepped his authority. He is calling on the senate to block his nominations as a way to check his balance of power. President obama defending his decision, and specifically answering questions about some of the statements he has made in the past in which he says he doesnt think he has the authority to act unilaterally. Take a listen to what he told George Stephanopoulos today. If you look, george, i often times was asked, can you halt deportations. And i said, no, i cant do that. George, what is absolutely true is that we couldnt solve the entire problem and still cant solve the entire problem. But what we can do is to prioritize felons, criminals, recent arrivals. Folks coming right at the border. So, alex, the question is, what happens next . Some republicans are calling for a government shutdown, some are saying they want to impeach the president. Ive been talking to leadership aides throughout the week and say neither of the options are viable. You might see republicans try to reverse the president s actions legislatively or they might even sue president obama. He thinks that republicans should pass their own legislation to deal with Immigration Reform. This is tricky politically for republicans because, of course, they now own congress. So there are also concerns about getting bogged down in this immigration fight at the cost of not getting other things done, like tax reform and passing some trade bills theyd like to get through. Alex. Kristen welker, thank you much from the white house. Other republicans weighing in on Immigration Reform. Lindsay graham had tough words for his own party. Shame on us as republicans. Shame on us as republicans for having a body that cannot generate a solution to an issue that is national security, cultural and economic. While president obama hit on a number of topics in his interview, he also talked about 2016 and his support for Hillary Clinton should she decide to run. I am very interested in making sure that ive got a democratic successor. So im going to do everything i can, obviously, to make sure that whoever the nominee is successful. If she decides to run, i think she will be a formidable candidate. I think shed be a great president. Other news now. 45 people were killed and dozens wounded in a suicide bombing in eastern afghanistan today. Officials there say the attack happened during an interdistrict volleyball tournament attended by a large crowd when the bomber detonated his explosives. Talks are intensifying in vienna as mondays deadline looms for a nuclear deal. Secretary of state john kerry warned of serious gaps in the negotiations. The u. S. Wants to impose longterm limits on Irans Nuclear capabilities, iran wants sanctions against it lifted right away. To japan, where 39 people were injured in dozens of home destroyed after a 6. 7 earthquake. That quake struck late saturday night. It happened at the site of the winter olympics. And Officials Say there is no possibility of a tsunami since that quake occurred inland. And in sydney, australia, a newborn baby was found in an 8foot drain early this morning. Cyclists on a nearby bike track say they heard crying and rescued the baby boy still wrapped in a hospital blanket. That baby believed to be just two or three days old is being treated for dehydration. Police are now questioning a 20yearold woman who has been identified as the boys mother. New today, the university of virginias taking action after shocking allegations of rape on campus. They came to light in an article in Rolling Stone and now the school has suspended all fraternity and related activities for the rest of the year as it investigates. Gabe gutierrez has more. Reporter this morning, the university of virginia is shaken. Students demanding the School Address Sexual Assault on campus. Not doing enough, really. They hired a couple of new investigators. Its not enough. Uvas president is suspending all fraternities and related social activities for the rest of the year following a detailed article published this past week in Rolling Stone magazine. In a written statement she said the wrongs are appalling and have caused all of us to reexamine our responsibility to this community. The report describes several claims of assault, including the brutal gang rape of a First Year Student at a frat house in 2012. I think that when i first read the article, i was simply sick to my stomach. The university is now asking Charlottesville Police to investigate. The administration has been passive and its been disappointing. The article went on to claim that victims are reluctant to report rapes, afraid theyll become social outcasts and that the school keeps allegations quiet to preserve the reputation for perspective students. A charge the schools president denies. Nationwide, the greek system is already in the spotlight. Earlier this month, West Virginia university suspended its fraternities and sororities after a male freshman died at a frat house. Uva officials plan to meet this week to discuss their policies regarding Sexual Assault. Were going to get to the bottom of whatever this is and were going to make this a better place. While student protests aim to bring a hidden problem into the light. People now have hope. People believe that we might change something. Gabe gutierrez, nbc news. The unique political oddessy of marion berry. Nderman group i. Nderman group i. Getting in a groove. Growth is gratifying. Goal is to grow. Gotta get greater growth. I just talked to ups. 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Berry was dubbed mayor for life early in his career, but received worldwide attention after he was caught in a Washington Hotel room in 1990 lighting a crack pipe in the company of a much younger woman. Vincent gray saying in part, quote, marion was not just a colleague, but a friend whom i shared fond moments about governing the city. And joining me now the president and ceo of the National Urban league. And marc, im glad to have you here. I love talking with you about anything. But talk to me about your relationship with marion berry. You guys were pretty close. Well, marion and my father were actually contemporaries. They were in marions early days as mayor, my father was also mayor of new orleans. They shared and represented this generation of mayors and politicians that had come up through civil rights. So they had paid dues, they add earned their stripes. And its thats one of the reasons why marion berry is so special and so remembered and so beloved by so many washingtonians because of his career before he was elected mayor. And, of course, i would say a couple of things. He was a champion of the disadvantaged and the dispossessed. And i, indeed, think that when the government in effect set him up in 1990, they in effect created a backlash that helped him. I really truly believe get reelected again in 1994. Because nobody saw that one coming. And its what the government did, notwithstanding the fact that he had his personal demons and his personal challenges. People in washington in his base support believe the government stepped beyond what was reasonable in setting him up or entrapping him in that Washington Hotel room. And thats got to be said in terms of many people saying, well, how could he have come back because of that. And you have to also give him credit. He must have had some sort of characteristics within himself to survive that. I mean, you can say hes a survivor. But talk about the man you knew from that perspective. Because not a lot of people would come back from that. You have to understand, marion berrys from mississippi, worked his way up and through, almost got his ph. D. In chemistry. Marion berry was a highly intelligent, welleducated man who became, if you will, the first home rule mayor of washington. Washingtons prior mayor had been appointed before he was elected. To a great extent, historically, he was the first mayor, if you will, an independent washington, d. C. Government. Okay. Lets switch gears and talk about ferguson. Were waiting for the grand jury decision to come down on that. What do you expect . Well, this is whattic. Obviously the expectation for many is there would not be an indictment. What i would say to people, do not second guess the process before the process is complete. Because there are other possibilities of indictments, certainly, on charges of firstdegree murder and perhaps lesser included charges. But then i want to emphasize this, alex, there is an effort, a wellorganized effort in ferguson and around the country to engage in peaceful, nonviolent protests. Theres an organized effort to do that. And so, obviously, theres talk of instigators, detractors, those that may want it to be other than a peaceful protest. But i also believe that we need to understand that this is about Michael Brown. But this is also, i think, creating an awakening around broader issues of Police Accountability, and issues of Economic Opportunity for young people in this nation. So we must, as a nation, confront and deal with those two long standing problems. And no matter what this grand jury does, those long standing issues are going to remain, i think at the top of the agenda. Also this morning on abc, the preponderate talked about his own pesrsonal reflections on al of this. As an africanamerican male, there have been times where i experienced discrimination as a young man. Its been a while since it happened. And, you know, i think that folks on the other side of it might not understand why their concerns are mistrust. When people start seeing these incidences, then they start saying, maybe we understand what were talking about. What kind of impact does that have . Thats the president of the United States its good hes done it. I think what it can help the nation do and understand is how this problem has seared so many. And how until we get past it, beyond it, we cant be the nation we want to be. Give me a big picture perspective. What does it say about race and policing here in this country . And how far the u. S. Needs to go . I think what it says, there are so many parts of this nation where the relationship between the police and the citizens that the nation that those Departments Police is not what it indeed ought to be. And that race remains an enduring factor in this country and weve got to work to get past it. What i would hope this is going to do is help us confront the idea that because you talk about Police Accountability doesnt mean youre indicting all police everywhere. I know from my own experiences that most Police Officers work hard and do the right thing. But that thats number that number that may step beyond the pail creates a bad name and bad word. And i think the need for systematic reform. And it is that type of reform that the National Urban league i want to work on, systematic reform with respect to Police Accountability and this need for jobs and Economic Opportunity. What is your message to the citizens of ferguson if there is no indictment, marc . Let us protest, express ourselves, do it in a peaceful fashion. Not only in ferguson, not only in st. Louis, but around the nation. I think we have a tradition in this nation of nonviolent, peaceful protests consistent with the first amendment. And i think people should be encouraged to express their point of view whatever it may be with respect to the decision of this grand jury. But let us also not look at this as just a passing news story. This has got to if you will, engender us to deal with the long standing problems of Police Accountability and Economic Opportunity. Okay. Hey, marc, im glad youre here. And also you brought your son mason. Hes checking it out and wants to read the teleprompter one day. Come on back and ill practice with him. Saturday night live providing political commentary in a way only they can. And thats coming up. Are all the green lights you . No. Its called grid iq. The 4 51 is leaving at 4 51. They cut the power. Itll fix itself. Powers back on. 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The only isp legally bound by full Net Neutrality rules. Welcome back to weekends with alex witt. A new round of winter weather. Climbs temperatures and rain could turn snow into flood waters as it melts across western new york. Kristen dahlgren with more. Hi, kristen. Reporter hi there, alex. Take a look at what theyre still dealing with here, roof collapses. And you might think that a warmup would sound like some relief. But if you think about all of that snow, like a sponge is going to be absorbing the rain were expecting later on today, just getting heavier and heavier. We could see more roof collapses, and there are also, now, flood warnings around this area. Reporter in east seneca, new york, there is no sigh of relief. Can you tow me out for assistance . Theres no time. Days after the massive early season snowstorm, roofs are caving under the weight. 20 years gone in four days. Trace george already lost one of his industrial workshops. The second is on the verge of collapse. Weve been working our butts off to keeping the snow away from the building so that when the flooding comes, its away from the building. So we have flooding, but we didnt even realize up above how much stress is going to be on the roof. Residents across the area are in a desperate fight to clear the heavy snow before its too late. Im worried about the weight on this roof. Theres not much pitch. And theres cracks in the ceiling already. In some places, theyre still on their own. Several neighborhoods remain buried. Reinforcements are arriving. The fdny among those pitching in to make sure snow bound residents are safe. How do you make it out . Everything okay . Everythings fine. Did you get your medication . I did. The snow is no longer the only worry. Rain and melting could mean disastrous flooding. The battle continues. Making sure the sewers are clean, trying to get the snow out of the street. Already storm weary residents now bracing for round two. Lets put it in a little bit of perspective for you. Im about 58, you can see this pile behind me. Well, maybe 4 1 2 feet. But take a look back there. All of that snow has to go somewhere. And the governor says they are getting ready for this flooding. Theres expected to be more rain later on today. So 425 pumps and generators being brought into the area. 51 boats in case there have to be any type of water rescues. Three helicopters to check things out from above. And almost 200,000 sandbags being moved into the area, alex, to help get people ready. Heck of a plan there. Lets hope it works. Thank you so much, kristen. Lets go back to ferguson now where that Community Remains on edge. Nbc news has learned the grand jury investigating browns death will reconvene tomorrow. And joining me now, msnbc legal analyst and host of judge faith, faith jenkins. And a good day to you. Im curious, behind the scenes, folks have to be really nervous, why do you think its taking so long . I dont think its taking that long given the amount of information this grand jury was providing from the very beginning. This has been a very different grand jury. I heard someone say yesterday theyre operating like a super grand jury. Because of the number of witnesses that have testified before the grand jury. The number of hours of testimony, the volume of information. And if theyve only been deliberating a day, these grand jurors arent sequestered. They know its a highprofile case and this case means a lot. And a lot of people are watching. Theyre taking it very seriously. Doesnt surprise me at all that it would take them a couple more days to go through the evidence and try to come up with a decision. Talk about the challenges, though, if these folks are not sequestered, theyre very much aware all eyes on ferguson. They are. They know what could happen, what the potential is. How much do you think that weighs on them . I think it weighs on them and they know the seriousness of this case and people, and the seriousness of the impact of this case to people in the community and the eyes of the world are really watching. Most high profile cases, you think jurors are not sequestered. So in a lot of cases, this is something that lawyers have to deal with. Its an issue. But for the most part. Jurors take their job seriously and they know how to look at the evidence, evaluate the evidence and make a decision accordingly. Theyre only making a decision on probable cause. Theyre looking at the evidence, and the question they have to ask themselves, is there probable cause that a crime was committed. Did Darren Wilson commit that crime . And then the third question they look at, was it justified . Was this a justifiable shooting. Then and only then if they answer that question, go the crimes theyre considering. So you heard me say that nbc news has found out they will be reconvening tomorrow. What does that look like . Are they all gathering in a room and continue talking . Its much like the jury deliberation process. Only nine of them need to vote for an indictment. An indictment to go forward. Theyre going to come back in. Unlike the jury trial process, they can ask for additional evidence. They can call witnesses back in. They can ask for additional testimony. Its a very active process for these jurors when theyre discussing it and trying to decide how theyre going to vote one away or the other. Im curious, how much is their decision on whether or not to indict Darren Wilson. How much is that based on fact or interpretation . I mean of the law . Yeah. Well, theyre supposed to listen to this is whats so different about this grand jury and what concerned me. It was the volume of evidence they were given without without having lawyers in there to argue and analyze that evidence. Theyre not legal experts. Right. The lawyers are the experts. And thats why in a trial process when you have so much conflicting testimony, you have lawyers in there arguing and analyzing that testimony for the jurors because theyre not legal experts. So now you have these jurors coming in with this volume of evidence, its going to be challenging for them. Its one of the ways. Its why prosecutors when we go into grand juries, we try to keep it very lean. And we try to present a minimum amount of evidence to them to come up with a decision because we dont want to confuse them. A trials a different process. Im glad youre here to break this down. Thank you for the conversation. Thank you. On the heels of that. Lets bring in karen bass. She represents parts of los angeles. Always great to have you on the broadcast, maam, and i want to ask you how concerned you are about the grand jury decision. Thanks for having me on. My biggest concern is its taking so long. I wish they would come to the decision and make it public so we can move on. All of this just heightens the anxiety. We had a press conference yesterday because we want to essentially communicate a message of calm. But the the fact that they take so long really contributes to the level of anxiety. Look, there are people who have compared the potential reaction to a nonindictment to the rodney king riots in l. A. I lived there in 1992, i remember them well. The protests are planned across this country once a decision is made. Officials are obviously working to keep the peace here. How do you do that . And can you blame the citizens for being angry . Is part of coming to a Greater Peace in this country understanding that anger . I absolutely agree with you. And i dont blame the citizens of ferguson at all for their anger because things have been mismanaged from the moment one until right now. And so, i think that the message of calm, Community Leaders going out and talking to people, i think all of that is very important. But one of the things im concerned about in my own city as well as in ferguson, people coming from outside of the area who, perhaps, have other agendas. And i think its very important that we watch for that. And if that happens, they become isolated from people that live in the neighborhoods. All right, maam, switch gears and talk about afghanistan and the president extending the role of the u. S. Troops, which could include combat roles beyond this year. Why is it so tough for the u. S. To get out of this war . Well, you know, i think its similar to iraq. But what i believe is happening in afghanistan is given the change in leadership away from karzai, i think theres an entirely new leadership there. And i know that they have asked for u. S. Support. Im glad that the number of troops will not increase. But im sorry that the situation is happening because i definitely want to see us be out of afghanistan completely. Yeah, and does that sorrow extend to frustration to a degree. Perhaps for the president , given he was so determined to leave the two wars behind. I have no doubt that he is extremely frustrated. You have a situation in afghanistan similar to iraq that you want to leave but you need their militaries and governance to stand on their own. And i think thats one of the big difficulties. But, of course, what happened in iraq with isil, theres concern about the taliban in afghanistan. Sure. Lets talk about finally what happened with the president this morning. The executive order on immigration a hot topic on all the sunday talk shows. Heres what senator ted cruz said on fox news sunday. Lets take a listen. What the president announced this week is a wholesale refusal to follow our immigration laws, to enforce our immigration laws. Number one, for 4 to 5 Million People here illegally, hes promising to print up and give work authorizations. Essentially gotten in the job of counterfeiting immigration papers because theres no Legal Authority to do what hes doing. So the legal point he brings up there, does he have a point . Now hes counterfeiting. I dont believe ted cruz has a point at all. I believe the president acted completely within his authority. I was happy to see him do so. And at the end of the day, if the senate wants anything different done, if the republicans want something done, the president said it well, pass a bill. This is temporary, if they want to undo it in a week, they can undo it in a week by passing comprehensive Immigration Reform. So the ball is in their court. All right. Well, my hometown democratic congresswom congresswoman, thanks very much. Ahead in office politics, norm orenstein. Mmm. Look out. Now theres even more of the amazing cinnamon taste you love on cinnamon toast crunch. Crave those crazy squares even more. New nestle© toll houser for crave those crazy squares even more. 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I actually wrote a few weeks ago that i thought what the president ought to do is do his executive order, but delay its implementation for a month or two to give them one last chance. Of course, what we know is for the last four years, the House Republicans have made it clear theyre going to do nothing on immigration. So, he didnt have a whole lot of choice if any action were going to take place. What about the Affordable Care act, in this latest business with Jonathan Gruber. How much does image affect policy . Well, we know that what the Jonathan Gruber stuff has done is to give more traction to those who want to eliminate the law entirely, basically saying, see, it was illegitimate to begin with. We also have to fear that with the Supreme Court poised to take up and then in the spring rule on this case thats now called king versus matthews. There are other cases that have rendered their way through. That one line in the law that seems to suggest that subsidies for insurance cant go to those who get their insurance on the federal exchange. Other parts of the law Say Something completely different. But that may blow up the law. The court alone could do that. If it does, by the way, which would be certainly on a 54 vote youre going to get the Supreme Court right in the middle of this partisan tribal warfare. And its legitimacy will be questioned and well have a lot of turmoil out there. Your book back in 2012. The title, its even worse than it looks. That was then, this is now. First of all, what were you referring to then . And is it even worse now . Politics is not easy. But this is worse. It never looks good. This is worse because it not only looks worse than usual, the name calling, but the outcomes are worse. And what happens now is when you can enact policy, half the country sees it as illegitimate. If i were redoing the book, i might have to title it run for your lives. Youre a funny guy. And this is evidence a photo in your office that looks like looking like axle rose. It was 1992, comedy central, at the time, was a fledgling network did its first extended coverage of politics. We called it indecision 92. Al franken was the anchor. And i ended up as his sidekick analyst and the first pollster on comedy central. But we did a poll. And so to get young people to respond to a poll, i dressed up like axel rose to ask the question why dont you vote . And the responses were interesting. 47 said it sucks, 33 said it blows. And the rest said something thats unprintable on a regular network. And that was one of my experiences of pollster. As you can imagine, i no longer do many polls. And i have no words, except thank you, norm orenstein. U. S. Troops will extend their mission in afghanistan. Coming up, a retired army general on what this means for americas role in the region. And looking to jump start my career. Any advice . 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Our visionary Cloud Infrastructure and Global Broadband network free you to focus on what matters. With Custom Communications solutions and dedicated support, your business can shine all week long. [mony mony by billy idole she cokicks in on car stereo]y. Dont stop now come on mony come on yeah i say yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah cause you make me feel like a pony so good like your pony so good ride the pony the sentra, with bose audio and nissanconnect technology. Spread your joy. Nissan. Innovation that excites. Afghanistans Parliament Today took the first step in authorizing an extended mission for u. S. And nato combat troops there. The bbc reports the deal passed by that countrys lower house would permit about 12,000 troops to operate in afghanistan in 2015. The upper house still has to ratify that agreement. But the move comes after reports that president obama will extend the role of u. S. Troops well into the next year. So for more on what that means for u. S. Troops on the ground, lets bring in daniel balger. The author of why we lost an account of the iraq and afghanistan wars. General, thank you very much for being here, sir. First question to you, what do you make of the president s decision to extend the combat roles into 2015 . And are you surprised hes doing it . Well, alex, im not surprised, but im actually somewhat gratified to see it. It shows that president obama and the military have learned from what happened in iraq. The threat of isis and they were obviously worried about the taliban having a similar uprising. So this is a good step forward to support the Afghan Government and to follow on what the president s done in iraq, which is to say, let the local people take the lead and fight these insurgents and well help them with limited support. Its a reasonable step. I want to ask you about the title of your book, which is rather unequivocal. Its why we lost. Is that it . Is there no salvaging anything from these two wars. Well, alex, what we lost was the Counter Insurgency campaign the u. S. Led Counter Insurgency campaigns in both countries, in iraq in 2011, afghanistan as it wraps up this year. Youre absolutely right. The goal now is, where do we go next . Can something good come out of it . Can a measure come out of it that will help our country and that will help the afghans . Absolutely. I think thats what youre seeing as a step forward. The key thing, though, is looking back at what happened in the past in these wars, why it happened, and then what do we do to fix it . And i think were seeing a step forward here that indicates as weve seen in iraq, we do have a different approach going into the future. But based on your on the ground experience, sir, when you look at both of these places, is it better to stay involved or just pull out entirely from both countries . Well, you always have to have the option to pull out entirely. I think that always has to be put on the table and discussed. I think in this case, a limited involvement probably makes sense for the near term, but the most important thing, alex, is weve got to have a public discussion and debate. And that includes figuring out what we did for the last ten plus years and then what do the American People through their elected representatives want the government to do. The president has the constitutional authorities as commander in chief. No doubt. And the congress can approve that through funding. We need to have a public discussion rather than commit ourselves year by year. Thats not a good approach. Is there a strategy that you think the u. S. Is not implementing right now that you think would work . Well, the strategy thats going to work over there is the one we have now gotten into in both countries. And thats really put the local people in the lead. It is their country. The afghans country and multiple ethnic and religious groups. Same for iraq, the local people have to sort things out and we have to determine if we want to support them and how much. Our support must be limited. Look, isis has greatly complicated matters. Weve seen what happened in iraq as the u. S. Troops pulled back there. Isis moves in, chaos reigns supreme. Do you think thats served as a cautionary tale . Yes. I do believe that, alex. And i know theres pretty good evidence that the military brought in that kind of advice, as well. Our intel services, you know. We are learning things. We didnt get it right in iraq and afghanistan in the major campaigns that are just concluding. But there is a chance, as you said, to do better in these followon efforts. And i think thats important not only for our security, prevention of terrorism in the homeland like 9 11, but also for the countries that weve been working in that our great men and women have sacrificed so much to help. All right. Daniel bolger, thank you very much for your time and insights. 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The kpuexcusers, the women accusing bill cosby of Sexual Assault. How do they know the comedian . And buying up detroit, from the downtown to the down and out dilapidated. Whats driving the motor city land grab . Hey there, everyone, welcome to weekends with alex witt. A bit past 1 00 p. M. In the east. We have this breaking news to report from st. Louis county. The administrator there has distributed a press release that says the grand jury judge has not agreed to release grand jury evidence to the public in the event of a no true bill vote in the Darren Wilson case. Lets go right to msnbcs tremain lee in ferguson. Can you give me the essence of what this means . Reporter well, this would be a big breach of trust. The little bit of trust that the community may have had that the Prosecutors Office was working in good faith. Prosecutor Bob Mccullough said if Darren Wilson is not indicted, he would release to the public every shred of evidence that the grand jury saw over the past few months. Now, if that does not happen, folks that already been thinking this was not a transparent investigation, that it was not a that Bob Mccullough could not properly prosecute this. This will be a huge blow in this community. Emotions are intense and churning as we wait for this announcement. This is going to deliver a big blow in the community. Was this expected . Reporter no, it wasnt expected. Earlier on, Bob Mccullough said he would do this. And it seemed the judge would agree. Hell present the notion to the judge. And it is rare. Grand jury testimony is often kept secret. The evidence often never gets out of that grand jury room. And so he was trying to well, he said he was trying to make sure that everyone understood exactly what was going on every step along the way. So this is definitely a kind of turn and about face from what we heard earlier. I heard also from you earlier the word anxiously to describe how things are going there. Still the case . Anxious, concerned. But the longer this thing kind of drags out, the more concerned folks are becoming. Again, on all sides, no one wants or necessarily expects violence. Now that everyones preparing for the worst case scenario, emotions are running high. Now, yesterday, Michael Brown sr. , the father of Michael Brown jr. Went out to the apartments where his son was killed to try to heal some of those wounds still fresh in that community and trying to help them move forward. He was handing out turkeys and bags of food. I think we have some footage of that from yesterday. All right. Can we take a look at that. Our director can roll that . You know what, we dont have it right now scheduled for this hour. But im glad you at least bro t brought that up and we can put it up later in the broadcast. Thank you. On the heels of our conversation, well bring in anthony gray to talk about things. Its nice to see you again, sir. Likewise, alex. And he was just referencing Michael Browns father in ferguson yesterday, thanking the residents for their support. Can you tell me how the familys dealing with this wait for the decision . That was an example of how the fathers dealing with it. He wanted to get in and release some of his tension by going to what we want to call ground zero and spreading some kind of love to other families. I guess that was his form of kind of dealing with it. The mom, i guess she has a kind of a different view at this point not itching to get out there in the public view, at least at this point, and kind of just taking things as they come. Youve got two different expressions of whats going on right now for them mentally and psychological psychologically. Yeah. And the familys call for calm in the community, is that message getting out . You know, alex, im really not sure. Im hopeful that it is. I do see interviews and comments that come on the heels of speaking out and asking for calm, asking for peace. And then you see comments where you just know that based on the comments, they didnt hear the plea. At least the impression you get from the comments. I dont know if its reaching all the way down to the grass roots level, or not. But all we can do is consistently give that message, make that message and hopefully itll permeate and catch hold to all of those listening. Whats your reaction to the possibility of a no true bill vote there. And were just getting word that the evidence that would lead up to that would not be released to the public . What do you think of that . I find that to be very interesting. I dont want to get myself in a situation where im criticizing a judges order or decision. Ive stayed away from that. I do think its interesting from a community standpoint of being a member of the community. You know, as a member of the public. You know, weve been prepped for the expectation that well get a chance to see all of the evidence. So i think from that standpoint, it was a big letdown to the community. But beyond that, all i could just say is i find it very interesting. Yeah. The grand jury as you know has been in session since august 20th. And Rudy Giuliani this morning, along with you, you were on meet the press, and he was critical of the system. Lets listen to what he had to say. Okay. This grand jury is under incredible pressure. Right. Incredible pressure to indict. I feel sorry for these people because they know if they walk out of that grand jury room and have not indicted, they may have created a massive riot in their city and maybe throughout the United States. To me, that kind of pressure is completely inconsistent with the american criminal justice system. So the undue pressure on this grand jury. It comes in part. Some people dont know, they are not sequestered. Theyre able to read, watch television, see exactly whats expected. Hear about the concerns within the community of ferguson right now. How much does that put pressure on them when theyre trying to render their decision . Right. And i will say to you, alex, i think the pressures both ways. This notion that things are so lopsidedly presented from individuals to me is just disingenuous. I think if you look at what is happening in the community by and large across the region, theres almost a 50 50 divide. And so pressure coming from both sides. And to suggest theres only pressure to indict in the face in all of the pressure there is to not indict, i think its disingenuous. To the discourse about what the grand jury is feeling right now and what they have to consider in terms of evidence. Its unfair, i dont see it like that. I think theyve got pressure both ways. Whatever they decide, they decide. And i think they should be moved by the evidence and not by Community Sentiments for the most part because theyre not going to satisfy both sides at the same time. Its not going to happen. Anthony, if theres no indict, what kind of Legal Recourse is available to the brown family . Well, you know, we still are waiting to see what the federal is going to do on a federal investigation. Were still waiting for the outcome of that. Thats still a potential and still up in the air. Theres also potential civil litigation that has nothing to do with criminal liability at all, thats also still on the table. Were considering those things and running it through our legal matrix. And well decide which way we go after some of the dust has settled. You getting any sleep at night . Ive got to tell you, waiting for this thing to come down. You were up all day and all night yourself. Ive had a couple of late nights, too. Okay, well, im glad to see you. Likewise. Thanks so much. Bust of luck. Thank you. We advise all of you to stay with msnbc as we await the grand jurys decision. Lets turn now to another top story on abcs this week. President obama defending himself on his decision to issue an executive order, when he was asked what changed from his previous stances. If you look i often times was asked, can you halt deportations . And i said, no, i cant do that. George, what is absolutely true is that we couldnt solve the entire problem and still cant solve the entire problem. But what we can do is to prioritize felons, criminals, recent arrivals, folks who are coming right at the border. Joining me now, nbc news White House Correspondent kristen welker. We have republicans who have certainly been hitting him, using his own words against him. How is the white house dealing with this backlash . Well, the white house is making two arguments. One, they say the president has authority to do this. That is something that republicans are looking into whether they can challenge. But the president is also making a political argument here. He says, look, a bipartisan bill passed in the senate to reform the nations broken immigration system, that bill stalled in the house. The house hasnt acted on this. So the president saying he is acting because the republicans havent. This is a fulfillment of a Campaign Promise president obama made back in 2008. Republicans in finfuriated by this action. They say the president s overstepped his bounds, abusing his power. Today, on the morning talk shows, we heard a number of options that republicans are looking into to counterthe president s actions. Ted cruz saying the senate should block his nominations moving forward. Jeff flake on meet the press saying the president should pass legislation. Ive been talking to sources on capitol hill who say the likely scenario is potentially legislative action that might get carried out to try to block the president or to reverse his actions or possibly suing him. But this is going to be a big battle moving forward. It sure is. Thank you much from the white house. Thanks. The buffalo area is preparing for flooding as temperatures rise. It is a Desperate Mission to clear roofs and the snow and get rid of it before it turns into dangerous waters. Kristen dahlgren has been tracking the story for us and more from new york. Hi, kristen. Hi there, alex, lets start with what theyre dealing with the snow. Take a look and see just one section of that roof remaining. The snow has been so heavy, and its going to get worse. If you think about the snow, all of this snow, like a sponge filling up with water as it melts, we get rain later on today. It gets heavier and heavier. Even more roof collapses. Weve also got those flood warnings in effect for the area. So as our crews drove around yesterday, they saw people desperately trying to clear off their roofs. Also, clean off drain areas to make sure it has some place to go. They are really worried about flooding as we go through the day today and into tomorrow. Governor cuomo says hes moving assets into this area to help prepare. About 425 pumps and generators moving into the area. 51 boats and crews going to be here, as well, in case they have to do any type of water rescues. Three helicopters will be positioned here to check things out from above so they can get the lay of the land, and then almost 200,000 sandbags are being moved into this area, distributed so that people can get those and try to protect their homes and any vulnerable areas, alex. All right, kristen dahlgren, thank you for that. Lets go now to the death of former washington, d. C. Mayor marion berry. Served four terms as mayor of washington, d. C. He died at 78. President obama released the statement moments ago and reads in part, quote, through a storied at times tumultuous life and career, he earned the love and respect of countless washingtonians and michelle and i extend our deepest sympathies. Chanel jones has this report. Reporter one of the most charismatic politicians in our nations history. It would be a government both confident and compassionate. So popular, one newspaper called him mayor for life. But despite his accomplishments, he may be remembered most for the night he was arrested in a downtown Washington Hotel room smoking a crack pipe with a woman who was not his wife. He said hed been set up. But despite sending six months in federal prison, he returned to politics. He was elected to city council and later as mayor one more time. Local residents loved him, seeing him as a champion for the poor. But controversy was never far away. In 2006, berry received probation for failing to file tax returns, also sin recent ye suffered from Numerous Health problems. Remained a beloved figure to the end in washington, d. C. This morning, the current mayor calling him a true statesman. There is no word on a cause of death just yet. He is survived by his wife and one son. Its a shocking expose and perhaps the most detailed accounts from bill cosbys accusers. How did the post gain confidence of the women . I have plenty of questions for the writer of that piece joining us next. Getting in a groove. Growth is gratifying. Goal is to grow. Gotta get greater growth. I just talked to ups. They got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. Like smart pick ups. Theyll only show up when you print a label and its automatic. We save time and money. Time . Money . Time and money. Awesome. Awesome awesome awesome awesome all awesome i love logistics. What are you doing . The dishes are clean. 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And i think its important to bring your package to our viewers and let them know what Michael Browns father has gone to do. A family that suffered so much. And yet, theyre trying to continue to reach out to the community to appeal for calm, to appeal for understanding. So, talk to me about what happened yesterday. So, yesterday, as this whole community is still kind of gripped in anxiety, Michael Brown sr. Went to the apartments where his son was killed to try to give back to this community that had given so much to him. He walked around, walked door to door with bags of food and a turkey. And so, if we go through that package right now, its an interesting moment to see the community rally around this man the way they did. It was with thanksgiving days away, grand jury Still Deciding whether to indict the Police Officer that killed his son, mike brown sr. Headed back to the street where his son died more than 100 days ago. He said he wanted to give back to the community that supported his family when they needed it most. People looked out for my son. By putting it on social media, to expose whats happening over here here in this community. So im giving back to the people thats in the community. Thanks again. Appreciate what youre doing for the community. Thanksgiving turkeys and bags of food from a family still grieving to a community thats also struggling to recover. Some call it ground zero for the movement that spread beyond ferguson. But for many along this narrow strip where wilted flowers and deflated balloons mark the spot where browns body once lay, this is a neighborhood i cant sleep because i dont know whats going on outside, i dont know whats going on. Its really hard. And its the stress level is beyond the scales. No one knows when or how the grand jury will decide, but the stress of uncertainty is weighing heavily on many in this neighborhood. As the day approaches, is it getting harder . Yes, it is. Really hard. With the community. For Michael Brown sr. , each handshake, each hug and turkey given away is a step toward hope and healing. My son making a change. Excuse me. As you see, this is still a community gripped in this tension. And i know the powers that be and many protesters hope the release of all of the evidence from the grand jury if there was not indictment to help us dissuade some of the tension. You know, profound statement from that man. He wants his son to make a difference. And i applaud that. Okay. Thanks so much. New Sexual Assault allegations this weekend against Comedian Bill Cosby and a new response from his camp. 23 women have made allegations, rather, against cosby, 15 of them publicly. Not all of the claims, we should say were rape. One woman told the today show he tried to drug her in 1992 but wasnt successful. We were still talking about my acting skills, my opportunities, and, actually, when i went into his suite, he wanted ma eed me to demonstrate abilities. He said act intoxicated. I did. I hadnt been raped, he didnt physically hurt me. He took my hand and put it where it shouldnt have been. He did try to get on top of me, but i i was able to push him off and he actually kind of fell on to the floor. Well, bill cosbys attorney responded in a statement writing, friday night to this latest claim saying, quote, over and over again, we refuted these new unsubstantiated stories with documentary evidence only to have a new uncorroborated story crop up out of the woodwork. When will it end . Its long past time for the media vilification of mr. Cosby to stop. Well, an examination of the allegations for todays Washington Post. And paul joins me right now. With a welcome to you, paul, i want to make it clear, bill cosbys not been charged with a crime. Hes denied allegations in the past. What did you learn from them . Well, we learned there was a consistent pattern to these allegations. There was always a mentoring relationship established. There was a luring to a private location. A drug slip to the to the allege victim. And then, the physical assault occurred, allegedly. And these passengers you write occur with remarkable consistency . That is correct. These stories line up very consistently across decades. If you look, starting in the 1960s going through 2004, theyre very, very consistent. Now, that doesnt mean theyre true. But women from all parts of the country at various times over a 40year period all tell the same basic story. When you talk about various parts of the country, is that why the locales of these alleged incidents really span from the expected to the unexpected. Can you explain that . Well, theres hotel rooms. There are studio bungalows. There are apartments, there are homes all of these locations. But in each case, they were in between bill cosby and his alleged victim. There were no witnesses. There was no one besides the accused and the accuser. But there were a whole bunch of different locales. And the time frame for these alleged acts occurred over how long a period of time . Well, 1969, theres some allegation of it happening earlier, but we spoke with joan, starting in 1969, in 19 excuse me, in 2004, andrea constant, a College Administrator alleged that cosby assaulted her. She filed a civil lawsuit in 2005. So clearly, 1969 to 2005, quite a long period. Absolutely. How did the Washington Post gain the confidence of these women . And, if you were speaking to them, did you speak with them directly . And what was your personal take . Well, my personal take was that in my case, i spoke with that a lot of time had passed. The incident still stuck with her. It was seared into her consciousness. There was no escaping it for the rest of her life. These women feel very aggrieved. They feel ashamed on some level. And they are in some sense relieved to be able to speak out now. Why now . Why all these accusations coming out. Is it perhaps one starts and theres a strength in numbers feeling . Or Something Like that . I think thats absolutely right. I think the context is its not just me standing alone. Its me and these other women who are telling the same stories. Strength in numbers. You know, to be a victim of a crime like this is humiliating and you feel shame and you feel like no ones going to believe you. And that was also very consistent in each of these stories that these women felt no one would believe me. Im nobody. Hes bill cosby. And i think now they feel empowered by the strength in numbers. Heres something you wrote about in the article. Heres the quote. The allegations represent a stunning reshaping of cosbys legacy. Cosby built his family on a familyfriendly comedic persona. Hes been honored with a president ial medal of freedom. How is this going to reshape his legacy . Well, i think you cant look at him the same way again. Whether these allegations or true, or not, and that still remains to be proven. But nonetheless, these allegations are there. And you cant see bill cosby as the affable dad, the wise patriarch of the family, the guy from the bill cosby show in the same way again. And i dont think anybody can look at him in that way, the way we looked at tiger woods before the whole tiger woods story broke. It just it has changed our perception entirely. Yeah. In your article, you speak with a close friend of bill cosbys who told you, quote, what youre hearing is clearly not the entire truth and how much of it is true, you have no idea. Well, i would say with all due respect, he has no idea. And these women tell their stories. There isnt a whole lot of reason to doubt them. There is some. Again, theyre allegations, not stone cold fact. But, you know, you now have a situation where its he said and she said many, many times more. So that does create at lot of smoke. Im not saying theres fire, but theres a lot of smoke. Anyone looking for money . No one has actually asked for money except for andrea constant who filed a lawsuit back in 2005. She was looking for a settlement of that lawsuit. She had taken her claims to the police, the statute of limitations had not expired, but the evidence was so weak, she decided to go to civil court and file a lawsuit. And there were demands for some reparation and some settlement. Okay. From Washington Post, thank you so much. Thank you, alex. Theyre flush with cash. The haves of the world are getting rich like never before. Detroit may be bankrupt, thats not stopping chinese investors from buying properties all around motown. Whats that all about . [ male announcer ] some come here to build something smarter. Some come here to build something stronger. 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Peter, im going to reach out to you first here. We may not learn the evidence in the case if there is no indictment Going Forward. How does that strike you . No, it is as it should be. There are grand jury secrecy rules that cover state proceedings and federal proceedings. So, for example, prosecution cant disclose what it presented to the grand jury. Grand jurors cant tell you what they heard. A witness can come out of the grand jury and say heres what i know, what i testified to. But they cant really release the exhibits shown to the grand jury because its protected by secrecy rules. Now, if theres an indictment, this material will be revealed to the defense in discovery proceedings in the criminal case. And then itll be revealed to the public. Okay. But, jeff, if officer wilson is not indicted on these charges, wouldnt at least knowing the reasoning behind that. Wouldnt that help to decrease any potential reaction within the community that could be inflammatory . I think it would. But i think whats important to note is that the county prosecutor already indicated weeks ago that all the information would eventually be public if there were no indictment. So if, as you say, peter, there is a standard, and i believe youre right, that there is, that theres typically secrecy in these cases. It was a huge mistake for the county prosecutor to come out and say that because theres already so little trust in him based on a lot of things in his history. I think hes eroded that even further. Theres a way he can do it. He can release the documents themselves. But he cant say heres exhibit one, two, three, through ten that we show to the grand jury. He can release the documents and say all of this was part of my presentation. But he cant show you the physical exhibits. Give me a sense, peter, what do you think the documents are like this grand jury is looking at . You advise your clients all the time. What do they see in front of him . Well, they witness testimony. He will put in all of the witnesses the prosecution thinks the grand jury could hear. Number two, is youre going to put in tapes of conversations that took place between the Police Officers, between and among themselves and others. Okay. Jeff, this death is hardly the first shooting by a Police Officer of an unarmed black youth, shall we say. We had shawn bell, a terrible case in 2006. Why do you think this case in particular, though, has sparked such fierce outcry globally . Well, i think theres a unique history in st. Louis and in missouri. I write a little bit about this in my book. But missouri was a slave state, but it wasnt part of the confederacy. So it didnt rebel. The states that rebelled were then, you know, there was reconstruction. And so they really had to come to grips with the with slavery and everything awful that had happened before that. So in states like mississippi and louisiana, you had black United States senators and governors in 1870. But the few states that were border states that were slave states but did not actually rebel against the union never had to grapple with that. And so, they never kind of faced a lot of the inequities of the slavery and the brutality of slavery head on. That showed over the next century when instead of really coming to grips with a lot of the, what was out there. They sort of brushed a lot under the rug. And thats unfortunately, been a tradition in st. Louis. So youre saying this is really something that has been a fermenting under the surface. A lot of people i talked to in north st. Louis, north st. Louis county. I saw this as a state senator there. Theyre only surprised it took this long. Its interesting. The concern i have is the pressure for this grand jury. I mean, as weve said, theyre not sequestered, peter, that means theyre watching television, reading accounts. They know whats out there. They know what may be coming. Is it fair to put this kind of pressure on these people . Yes. Because its our system. We want 12 grand jurors as is the practice in missouri. Theyre impanelled by the presiding circuit court. We want members of the community to preside over cases like this. And what the community should understand is this is their role, but it isnt over. Whether or not they vote an indictment, it isnt over. The federal authorities could come in and present it to a federal grand jury. And the federal government could present it this officer as violating civil rights if the federal government doesnt agree with the process that is taking place in the state. By the way, he could this officer could face two different indictments. Because theyre separate sovereigns. Right. Jeff, i know you grew up in the suburbs, right, there in st. Louis. Right. When you look at this community, your home community, what do you think needs to be done to move it forward so theres a reconciliation of all the cultures and the people and socioeconomic differences. What can be done . Theres a lot of things that need to be done. One of the first things that needs to be done is removing the sense that a lot of africanamericans in particular have. Theyre almost living under siege with the frequency with which theyre pulled over and harassed by police. One of the reasons at the root of that problem is because there are 90 little municipalities within st. Louis county. Theyre so small. Some of them only one only has 14 people. But 63 of those 90 have their own police forces. And what that means, in order to support a whole Public Safety apparatus with police and fire, it means these budgets are constantly stressed. And theyre really making their budget in some cases, 20, 30, 40, 50 of a towns budget is funded through traffic stops. As long as thats the case, a lot of young africanamerican males are going to continue to feel harassed. Weve got to have some type of municipal consolidation. And weve also got to have educational equity. 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Now neighborhoods and aiconic buildings are going fast to chinese millionaires. Gordon, after that chinese tv report i mentioned, one person tweeted clean air, no pollution, democracy. What are you waiting for . Is that what this is all about . Is it a migration to the u. S. Or a Business Investment . Theres a lot of things going on here. People love bargains and the chinese, of course, are no exceptions. But one of the other things, of course, is that in china, the high price of homes has become a political issue. So detroit became a symbol. It was a way to talk about things you could not really talk about in china. And thats why you had a National Conversation on twitter or their version of twitter. And it sort of echoed throughout the country. So what are they going to do with all of this property . Why are they buying it up . Thats a great question. Because, yeah, sure you can buy a home for 39. And, indeed, some chinese investors bought 30 homes at a time, others were going to Real Estate Brokers and saying i want to buy 200 of them. But really, all theyre going to do is sit and hold them. The one thing thats going to really be good, though, there was a Shanghai Company that bought two iconic buildings downtown detroit, 13. 6 million. Which is the cost of an apartment. Theyre going to put a lot of money into revitalizing those buildings. Thats going to be very, very important for the ultimate future of detroit. Beyond business, though, gordon, do you think there is a prospect of a large number of chinese moving to detroit and calling it home . I think so. Youre seeing a loss of confidence of the chinese in their own country. A barclays survey reported that 47 of chinas wealthy plan to leave their country within fife yea five years. Were seeing a lot of money come out of china in new york, vancouver, los angeles, sydney. Everywhere. And so detroit is just one place where they will go to. They will put a lot of money into detroit and they will move there. Add new york to the list, as well. Its my understanding, hes doing his part to foster this relationship with china. Hes been lobbying for a lot of immigration visas, like 50,000 special ones to entice visitors to get here. Right. And then the deal announced for tenyear visas for chinese and for americans that reciprocal deal that president obama announced in beijing last week, thats going to help. That is going to create the impression that its easy to come to the United States and so people will actually do that. And i think that were going to see is a wave of chinese coming into detroit. And its going to be great. Itll revitalize buildings, bring a whole new wave of residents to detroit and vastly improve the quality of takeout in detroit. I think thats a real win for detroit and for everybody else. Listen, theres Nothing Better than great chinese takeout. 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It is a stunning and sad display of a president declining to honor his constitutional obligation to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. He acknowledged 22 times in the last five years he said over and over again he had no Constitutional Authority to do this until suddenly he decided it would be politically beneficial to do so. Cruz says hes calling for the incoming majority leader to make sure no judicial nominees are approved for two years unless the president drops the order. Joining me now, fellow from the center for politics at the university of texas at austin. Good day to you. You heard what the senator had to say there. Whats your response . Im not surprised, alex. The thing that surprised me, and im supportive of what governor richardson said. You know, he said, i told you so to the president. If he would have come out, the president would have come out before the election and supported the coverage of un documented persons we would have seen increased turn out. We get it. He would have baited republicans into going into extreme rhetoric, especially the notion of shutting down the government which we know American Voters dont like and that would have helped the democratic cause. From the beginning i knew when he decided not to do it before the election it would hurt the democrats rather than help him. Mmhmm. We spoke with a woman on air who will be directly impacted by the action. Thats maru pando. Shes lived in the states for 22 years now. She has a daughter and a job. Her life is about to change. Take a listen to this. People have no idea what it is to live every day of your life afraid that at some point you will be away from your child. We are going to benefit. Shes not going to be worried anymore that every day i go to work or travel she has to know where i am. We create a routine where we text each other at least eight times a day because we need to know where each of us are. As real people come out of the shadows is it harder for republicans to wage a campaign against the president or fight the tide of Immigration Reform . Absolutely. One word. Its humanzation. We are seeing the human face of undocumented immigrants. We have families that are potentially torn apart and about a third of latinos in this country have a close friend or Family Member that is undocumented. In the orders Going Forward the emphasis is onle family. The president said in his speech its about getting rid of felons, not tearing apart families. Getting rid of criminals, not children. This is a core family value, a core american value. If we can keep putting it forward and showing the human face and get away from the ugly ted cruz rhetoric we are going to see the American Public rally around this sentiment. Unexpected comments from Lindsey Graham who slammed his own party. Here s that. Shame on us as republicans for having a body that cannot generate a solution to an issue thats national security, cultural and economic. Im disappointed in my party. Are we still the party of selfdeportation . Is it the position of the Republican Party that the 11 million must be driven out . Does that surprise you from a South Carolina republican . It doesnt, alex. Lindsey graham was one of the republican senators who coauthored the gang of 8 senate bill 744 which was the comprehensive immigration bill. He worked tirelessly along with a number of democrats to put forward a solution to our broken immigration system. Then the house of representatives did nothing. In the words of Hillary Clinton they and indicated responsibility. Im not surprised. I applaud him for Going Forward and trying to motivate his party to do something. Do you think the Republican Party is at the risk of losing a generation of immigrants, latino voterers . I do. I absolutely do. They are at a fork in the road. 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