former montana brian sweitzer made huge news on this show a few weeks ago by hinting he intended to run for president. only he is not only following through, i will explain how i think he is the only candidate so far willing to challenge hillary clinton wage. president obama had a lot to say during his press conference yesterday about the revelations this year about the nsa mass monitoring of phone calls. there has been a ton of movement this week to discuss one of the election years and the one coming up is going to be especially interesting one, the primary season in particular. you only have to remember the christine o'donnell, the shirin engles the joe millers of a uncanle years ago, to know that no republican incumbent senator is a sure thing anymore. plus i have rested my played jacket away from crystal ball. we've got a new stack of note cards, excellent questions to put both you and our expert political guests to the test. another challenging and exciting install. of our current affairs quiz show "up against the clock." you want to stick around for that but first, you know the story of the second half of president obama's first term. a republican-led tea party powerhouse committed to stalling, do fighting and to obstructing his agenda, not compromising or negotiating with him in any meaningful way. we had total paralyzeing gridlock. he ran for re-election last year, obama pitched his candidacy as a way of breaking through all of. the frustration i have is we still feed to break the fever here in washington so that this town operates and reflects those values that are shared by people all across the country. >> meaning what, break the fever? >> break the fever meaning that we've got to stop thinking in burly political terms about who's on top, who gets the advantage? i do think the american people are the consult mat tie baker. that's our democracy. >> they can break the fever. >> they can break the fever. >> break the fever. it was a hope behind obama's 2012 campaign and when he won, well, there were some early signs that maybe things might actualably a little different in his second term. 2013 started off, don't forget, with the fiscal cliff deal. it ended the tax cuts and raised the capital gains rate. it brought in serious new revenue, ending the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest americans was rouge u huge. this was something president obama campaigned on twicep after he got reelected in 2012, he got it done. then, well, the president said it yesterday, at the end of the year press conference. >> a lot of our legislative initiatives in congress had not moved forward as rapidly as i liked. >> for one thing, we commemorated the anniversary of the sandy hook school shooting in new town, connecticut. in response to that, obama made it one of his chief legislative prioritys to institute background checks. public opinion seemed to be with him. it was a 4691 margin in all polls, something almost everyone said needed to happen. conservative joe manchin teamed up with pat toomey of pennsylvania. it looked like the nra's nearly two decade undefeated streak on capitol hill was about to come to an end. it didn't t. gun lobby not hard, background checks went down in a filibuster back in april. there is immigration. by their own aadmission after their 2012 defeat, they needed to seriously improve their image with latinos. more voices came out to say it was time for comprehensive reform and a bill did pass the senate in june. it went to the house and then it went absolutely nowhere else. the fever still raged. 2013 is almost over and still no immigration reform. the house also didn't pass a farm bill in 2013. it ignored president obama's calm for minimum wage hike. it was only really productive when it came to naming post offices after people. it's 20% of water gotten done in the boehner era. the brookeings institution this week said quote by all objective measures, this is the worst congress ever. it makes the actual do-nothing era look like workahollicks. 113th congress actually got something done. they passed a budget. in the senate, the vote was 64-36. in the republican controlled house the spread was 332 to 94. this makes the first time since 2009 a budget has actually been agreed to. this is admittedly a pretty low bar. even so, the fact that there is any budget deal shows congress functional in a way it hasn't been in a long time. some say this could be the start of something new. a sudden outbreak of productivity. a hope president obama himself channelled yesterday. >> hopefully, folks have learned their lesson in terms of brinksmanship coming out of the government shutdown, given the pattern that we have been going through with house republicans for a while, with emight have needed just a little bit of a bracing sort of recognition that this is not what the person people think is acceptable. they want us to try to solve problems. >> well, does not going to be long before we know if this is just wishful thinking or something real is happening, something real is changing. congress is ending 2013 with a lot of unfinished business. will any of the major issues the major problems. the major bills that went nowhere find new life in the days, in the weeks, in the months ahead. in that first big test is actually here already. with unemployment benefits for more than a mill americans running out fast. >> lots of things that should be done, but the first thing is to make sure that those people who are waiting and waiting to find a job still get the important check that they deserve. >> emergency unemployment insurance expire force 1.3 million americans in just one week. so congress needs to act fast and the president said yesterday that he is hopeful. >> i know a bipartisan group is working on a three month extension of this insurance. they should pass it and i'll sign it right away. let me repeat, i think 2014 needs to be a year of action. >> unemployment insurance is the first test of what fever has made congress so unproductive might be breaking at least a little. there are several other major tests coming up, too. we will talk about them now with john stanton, the washington bureau chief at busby.com. democratic congressman from new york jerry nather. the author of the book "it's worse than it looks" and the columnist for national journal and anne hayward, a republican from new york and exploring a candidacy for her old seat againful welcome back to the panel. welcome to all of you. i want to go through a bunch of things that were on the agenda in 2013 that didn't go anywhere that will be back on the agenda if 2014. with le see if there is pros smekts more anything real happening. i want to start with that question in one week 1.3 americans, congressman, are due to have their unemployment benefits expire t. president was talking about a little move. for maybe a three-month deal. what is going on and how optimistic are you that something will be done before this expiration? >> frankly, i don't really know. it boils in the republican court. they have, the house republicans have to decide what they want to do with that they totally blocked any extension a. three month es tension is little enough. we normally act a year at a time at least. it will cost some money. the republicans will demand, though i would dulles agree with it, that it's got to be paid for instead of just increasing the deficit from what would otherwise be the deficit has gone down faster than any time in 2002. too fast, it's hurting the economy. we will push the democrats in theous and senate will do what we can. the senate will probably pass something quickly in the house. the republicans control the agenda. they have to decide what they want to do. i'm not terribly hopeful. you seen people say extend the unemployment insurance is a bad thing. >> that even in an economy in which there are three applicants for every job in which the number of long-term unemployed is at record levels, they believe that extended unemployment insurance is just is a disservice to people. >> so do we have a sense, john, within the republican ranks on capitol hill how much of that sort of libertarian view that congressman nather is describing, the rand paul view, how prevalent is that versus how many republicans are willing to in sort of the classical sense negotiate over there and come up with some sort of a deal? >> i think the libertarian wing will take a broader hold within the party with folks like rand paul and others in the last couple of years have sort of set that stage for that. i think that there are plenty of republicans that would be willing to deal. when democrats agreed two years ago to offset the unemployment insurance, that set a precedent that republicans no longer feel that they have to be in on that anymore. in the pennsylvania, they will say fine, we will do it in emergency. now they feel they can hold that line. they're not feeling pressure from back home. particularly in the districts that are drawn if a way they won't feel that pressure. so it will be a difficult thing to move. >> man, if you have been in congress before. you are looking to get back here. this is a issue that will matter to a lot of your kicht constituents. if so, the republicans you'd like to certain with, what should their approach be now? >> the fundamental thing is what's the best thing we can do for the millions of americans who are unemployed the long-term unemployed. >> that goes to the core of the issue. it should be the issue for 2014, is that we need an economy that grows. we need to have real pro growth reforms, tax reform should be at the top of the agenda t. reason these folks are suffering as they are is because we have not had a climate for the past five years in which businesses of any size tall and large. >> the immediate issue we are talking about with the benefits due to expire in a week with democrats saying we want, do you think republicans should just pass an extension of unemployment benefits? do you think they should be asking for any specific kind of concession? >> i think there is going to have to be some sort of, i mean, we have to reach across the aisle. when jerry and i were in congress together we founded a caucus so we could work together. but there has to be. i think there should be move him from both sides. the republican side can certainly move towards working with the democratic side on extending unemployment benefits. let see some movement as well towards real pro growth reforms. i think those can be part of the -- >> there is a diametrically opposed viewpoint as to what pro growth reforms are. nan says tax reforms him some of us will say, we oupth to spend more money on infrastructure. put people to work, trying to pump in a sense. the republicans will totally disagree. there is a total loggerheads as to what the proper course of action to increase employment is. >> that will be not out i. won't be settled in a week or two when unemployment insurance ends for these people and the question is the only immediate question is, are you willing to vote to increase unemployment to extend the emergency extended unemployment as we always have without end quote an emergency? >> norm, you, you are the expert congress watcher as you look at what is coming up in a week now, what is your read on what's going to happen? >> i think we're likely to see this extension. the big problem at this point john identified that they need to find an offset. all of the low hanging fruit and some of the medium hanging frud was taken away. in fact, now because of the controversy over $6 billion from military passengers that is likely to be put back in in some fashion you got to find money. they're not going to find it with loopholes or other kind of taxes. so water left in the same thing we've turned to 25 times before, spectrum option revenues. the other element here, of course, is if we are looking foret growth, what we know of unemployment insurance is it is an injection immediately into the economy. all that money is spent. it provides a significant amount of economic growth. so the need for an offset if you look at it in terms of the cost benefits ratio is much less than for other people. we will need that offset right now. >> because the republicans will -- >> the other thing to keep in mind is, you know, walk, a couple weeks ago, they opened two wal-marts, 25,000 people showed up for 200 jobs. so the idea that people are sitting back saying $300 a week, wow, i can put my feet up on the otoman, crack open a beer and watch basketball daul all day long is crazy. if you get $300 a week, am i going to pay the rent, pay the heating bill, i will put food on the table. >> it's money, two people that need to go. unemployment is the immediate thing, the immediate test of whether congress is a turn around moment at all for congress. there are some other big tests on the horizon. we will get into all of them, start with the new one right after this after this break. .en >> so we need in congress 2013 was on pace to become the least productive congress of all time. we will see if they can turn it around if 2014. we are sort of going through the test by test of what is coming up. we still have the matter of the debt ceiling. this is the next test. it's next due to expire in march t. last time we had one of these near catastrophe, will it be smooth sailing this time based on these, some are saying, tow, republicans are still talking like a party that sees a debt ceiling hike as a bargaining tool, not an obligation. >> i doubt if the ougs house or for that matter the senate is willing to give the pretty a clean debt ceiling increase. every time the president asks us to raise the debt ceiling, it's a good time for to us achieve something important for the country. >> i hear that, john, here we go again. that was what was behind the paralysis this past fall the summer of 2011, attaching a list of demand to the debt ceiling. is that something, do you think republicans are actually going to go down that road again or are those republican politicians trying to apasadena their base for the moment and not actually go through with it? >> no, i think they willf i think republicans don't know what they want. ted cruz wants to fight over obama care. others want to use it to create more cuts to spending. others want long term debt relief. right now they're a bit fractured. if they come, if they settle on a set of things, absolutely, they will see another fight. whether or not they go like they did if 2011 up to the dead lean and actually push past it a little bit, it caused a huge problem internationally. >> that remains to be seen. that i do look at this as a great pressure point, rob emanuel said crisis is a great time to do stuff. they've sort of adopted that mantra. >> what is it going to take, norm, from the obama white house perspective. i have certainly picked up from them, the idea that they regret, if you look back to 2011, stringing up these negotiations with republicans over the debt ceiling and sort of establishing a precedent in the minds of republicans, hey, when the debt ceiling comes up for extension, we can demand x from you. the white house has been trying to reestablish this old tradition where, hey, this is congress's obligation. you ra iz the debt ceiling no, strings attached, that sort of thing. what is it going to take to reestablish that? is that something or are we past that point? >> we are probably past that point. i think what we will see as we saw the last time this happened a few months bark, the president is going to take the very strong and firm stand, we're not negotiating. and it worked the last time because all focus turned to the shutdown. john boehner doesn't want a confrontation over the debt limit. one thing that remerged from the budget compromise where boehner got up and you know attacked heritage action and some of these outside gruchls people were saying, oh, look, he is now standing firm. every time one of those things happens, the next time it's a compensatory move to give them what they want. it was paul ryan, the guy who negotiated this deal who turned around two days later and said we're trying to decide what we're going to demand in return for an increase in the debt ceiling. if you get the outside groups whipped up, the tea party wing saying this is our chance. the only thing that deters a confrontation here is the fear if this becomes the big issue, it takes the focus off of obama care again. >> that may be the argument that boehner has to use to navigate around this. >> another item on the congressional agenda, how long has this been the case? immigration, yesterday, president obama called it quote the biggest thing i wanted to get done this year. clearly, that didn't happen. he hasn't given up hope. >> we saw progress that passed the senate with a strong bipartisan vote. there are indications in the house even though it did not get completed this year, that there is a commitment on the part of the speaker to try to move foefrd legislation early next year. we can get immigration reform done. we got a concept that has bipartisan support. let see if we can break through the politics on this. >> so, nan, the dispute between the senate and the house, there is a lot to it. i think the biggest thing is this idea to the pathocitizential. this is a bill that went out of the senate. there are a lot that said absolutely not to the path of citizenship. maybe a piecemeal ideas. when you look at this when you look at what happened to your party with latino voters in 2012, you look at the population clang in this country. where do you think republicans should be on passing a path to citizenship in this comprehensive approach, be a priority in the house in 2014. >> there are so many important crucial elements for the economy for our workers, for our industries and agriculture in this aside from the fundamental issues of compassion that i think republicans are going to be sympathetic to the speakers, i think the speakers going to start taking the lead on the immigration bill based on certain staff hires he's made. it is a vital issue. it has to be resolved for all sorts of reasons. so i think elements of a citizenship opportunity with appropriate recognition of the obligations that have to be incurred to satisfy that, i think it's going to have to be a part of it and i think there will be extensive discussion. look, when we saw the budget pass after four years we know that there is an acknowledgment that an incremental approach will move us forward and i think we're going to have to. >> so the bill that passed the senate. there is penalties you have to pay, fines you have to pay along the way, congressman, have you had conversations or picked up on anything that suggests when you listen to john boehner, in 2014, there will be a more concerted effort by the house? >> the main thing is boehner recently hired a staff member on senator mccain's immigration specialist during the debates over the kennedy-mccain bill if 2007-2008. >> that betokens an interest on speaker boehner's part if getting some real bill passed. many of my republican colleagues are just absolutely not. they don't want anything with the path to citizenship, no matter what you call it. we had passed and the chairman with i presume the speaker has insisted on not doing a comprehensive bill. we passed so far five piecemeal immigration bills from a democratic point of view, each of them pretty obnoxious, very strong punitive enforcement, et cetera, not going anywhere near the question of the dream act or to pass the citizenship. which will have to be a part of something. >> the optimistic theory of advocates over form, is there anything you can get past the house gets you into that committee, maybe in that conference committee, something more broad an comprehensive can come out? >> that is possible. that's one reason why a lot of the republicans don't want -- >> no conference at all. >> none of these bills passed the house floor. they have come out of the judiciary, but they haven't gone to the floor. >> i think boehner's new approach, his willingness for growth organization, that's the one place where it could. because he has said behind closed doors, no, i'm not going to bring it. if it's going to conference with the senate bill. i don't want their bill as a part of it. now that may open the door for him to agree to do a full-on conference with them. even if it's using a small mirror bill for that. >> we have imgrey, minimum wage. a couple more tests coming up. we want to talk about them right after this. 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where do you think the prospects are becoming law? >> i think it will become law eventually. i think the question is how long is eventually? i mean, the idea of taking the prosecution, the decision of sexual assaults away from the line of command, where it makes sense. because your superior has to make decisions about you. so you are inhibited from reporting sexual abuses. i think it's inevitably going to happen. i hope the president has to realize he has to tell the military, which is pushing back, this can't continue. i think it's a fair chance in a free standing vote, many house republicans will do. i don't know. we haven't heard from them. >> how do you feel about that, the idea of moving it from the chain of command? >> i think in the face of it, there is certainly some merit, conceptually, you would wonder whether or not there could be full objectivity if someone in the chain of command has to adjudicate decisions that made the pit one member of the team against another. so i think it should be looked at. i agree the president i think has an excellent idea in c'moning that further and it is right to continue investigating this. >> i know, it's interesting. obviously, gilibrand has been so forceful. it seemed the president, himself, trying to by a little time if anything with his comments so that's another test we will be paying to in the weeks, in the months ahead. switching gears, a certain democrat is trying to make good on this show as to visit all of iowa's 99 counties before the 2016 election. he is not afraid of a certain democratic front runner either. that's next. . >> about a month ago, he made news when a panelist asked a specific and pointed and direct question. >> who do you want for president if 2016? >> i will say there is all around 100 counties in iowa. on my bucket list is to try to make it to out all the counties of iowa today. >> there are actually 99 county, arguably, that is not your normal bucket list, if i am remembering that movie correctly. since that exchange, former montana brian sweitzer kept a low profile until this week. we will update you on brian sweitzer's bucket list and how hillary clinton is involved. that's next. the wind-blown watery eyes. [ sniffling ] . >> we had brian sweitzer the former democratic senator. he made some news. >> who do you want for president in 2016. >> i will say there is around 100 counties in i, what on my bucket list is to make it to all the counties of iowa. >> there are to be exact 99 counties in iowa. now a few weeks after that interview, sweitzer is knocking some of them off that bucket list, beginning with pollk county outside des moines rns he featured an address at an iowa holiday party granted a would be presidential candidate making the rounds in iowa or caucus state is standard. there is a key difference in what he is doing. if you look at the other potential candidates say maryland governor martin o'malley. he is making it clear he wants to run for president and is taking the necessary steps to do so. he is making it clear he will only go and run if hillary clinton doesn't. this is the dilemma of most presidential candidates. they are very interested in running and in being president. they have showing absolutely no interest in running against hillary clinton. he was in iowa giving the distinct impression he likes the idea of running against hillary carolina. he went ut out of his way to bring up the one issue that sunk the 28 campaign. >> when we were attacked in 9-11 by 17 saudis and two egyptians who hold themselves out, who weren't welcome in iraq and george bush got a bunch of democrats to vote to go to that war i was shaking my head in montana. >> is that a direct shot at clinton? all he had to say is, did he vote for it? i didn't keep track. i think 21 democrats didn't vote for it. as far as being playfully disingenuous, i put that up there with the ronald reagan strategy, he'd get an answer and when he is serious, he has a lot of work to do the latest poll, 89% were favorable. 70% don't have an opinion from him. coming to us from johnston, iowa. i want to welcome kathy. welcome to the show. i don't know if this is your first national appearance in 2016 cycle. you probably will have hundreds before it's over so as i said in the interim there, what struck me about what i read and what i heard from brian sweitzer in iowa this week. this wasn't just a guy saying, hey, i'm a fallback, in looked like a guy saying, hey, this was the contrast between me and hillary clinton. >> exactly. governor sweitzer said that you have a history of nominating people from the same families. you got bush, bush, maybe another bush. you got clinton, clinton. maybe another clinton. maybe it's time to nominate somebody who is not a bush or a clinton. when we are asked, he was asked are you going to challenge the throne? he played a little coy. i tell you. i have lived in iowa all my life. i have not been to all 99 count. you don't say you will go to all 99 counties unless you are running for something. >> i was expecting him to say, well, you know, lots of thing in the future, i'm not thinking about that. i was struck by the blunt nessness of his answer. what was the reception when he sort of worked a couple rooms in iowa, what was the reception? did they like who they received? did they like what they were hearing? >> democrats in iowa like brian sweitzer. think they that he is entertaining. they like listens to him. but people here are very reserved about saying that they would support anyone for president beside hillary clinton. they are definitely waiting to hear what she will do. brian skwooits sweitzer may not wait to hear what she is going to do. most of the democrats you talk to a think she is going to run and b, you know, are inclined to support her if she does come. that does not mean, however, that an insurgent candidate, somebody who wants to be the anti-hillary won't find an audience in high what. the history shows that someone like that can and has a good chance of really gaining a place on the national stage by coming to iowa. >> that's rightt you mentioned that history. there was right up to the end of 2004, howard dean on the anti-war message looked leak he was going to like iwest virginia he wasn't going to do so. if 2008, you had hillary clinton finish 3rd in the caucuses. a lot had to do with the vote if 2002 the vote that brian sweitzer brought up in iowa this week. now you are saying, this is sort of happened nationally, too. democrats are looking at hillary clinton different than if 2008. what exactly has changed, the image of hillary clinton in iowa. is it now a lot more friendly turf for her than it was headed into 2008? >> i think it is a lot more friendly turf. in part, because of her experience as secretary of state. this is a job that she got, you know, in addition to being a senator, this is an executive experience besides being first lady, which, of course, brought its own issues. this is something that people respected the job that she did. i think also the idea of a woman for president has only grown over the years. hillary clinton kind of complained about iowa in 2008 because iowa had not and still has not ever sent a woman to congress or to the u.s. senate or to the governor's office. and that is still true. although, perhaps that will change in 2014. but i still think the idea of having a woman as president is growing on the country and growing on iowaans as well. plus i think just her resume has grown. >> i want to thank you kathy for joining us. we will be talking to you a lot between now and 2016. we will pick this up on the panel of what we make of brian sweitzer, is there room in the democratic party to be challenging hillary clinton in 2016? 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>> i think will be a lot of tail wind in 2016. my biggest concern is that the country end up with the president after that election who will cause our economy encourage our economy to grow. having said that, looking at the democratic field, one senses that there is and it's a natural thing, a certain amount of, although secretary clinton has obviously extremely impressive strength, obviously, there is a certain amount of fatigue. there is familiarity, boredom. i think brian sweitzer has a sort of jujitsu opportunity to turn her strength into his strength. he will get attention, same with jerry brown. something different. >> i think it's a luge u huge effort, unprecedented to get this candidacy settled early and have the advantage of an incumbency without the incumbent. >> a lot of pressure for nobody else to get the idea that brian sweitzer has. what will president obama be reading on the beaches of hawaii over the next two weeks? we think we have an idea. that's next. . >> president obama and the first family boarded air force one last night for a two-week christmas vacation in hawaii as the obama's been their annual holiday break in the state where the president was born and where he grew up, you can only speculate what he might be reading on the sandy shores. what qualifies as a beach read when you are the commander-in-chief? obama did pick up a spy novel at walk's politics and pros book store thanksgiving weekend, plus a few more high brow literary choices and a book about the science of athletic performance. it's just as possible, maybe more likely the president will actually be pouring through the new 300-page independent review of the national security agency's under surveillance practices by a white house task force that landened on his desk this week. the report which was prepared by legal and intelligence experts makes 46 recommendations on how to reign in the nsa's expansive data collection practices. a response in a way to all of the intelligence secrets revealed this year by former nsa contractor edward snowden t. panel's biggest recommendation is they should put a stop to the practice of voluming up the phone records and holling that information indefinitely. >> that it should take a court order for the government to act says that information from telecommunication companies. at his news conference friday the president sounded opened to that idea. >> it is possible, for example, that some of the same information that the intelligence community feels is required to keep people safe can be obtained by having the private phone companies keep these records longer and to create some mechanism where they can be accessed in an effective fashion t. question we're asking ours is now is does that make sense not only because of the fact that there are concerns about potential abuse down the road with the meta data kept by government rather than private companies. also, cuz it mailing sense to do it because people right now are concerned that maybe their phone calls are being listened to, even if they were not. >> the most talked about finding in the report, which was written by intelligence veterans, including the former head of the cia is bulk collection of phone records has not made us safer. it is quote not essential to preventing attacks and could readily have been obtained using conventional intelligence means. the report came on the heels of a district court ruling monday the program is unconstitutional. a federal judge calling it quote almost orwellian. the very next day obama took heat from ceos who said the government sweeping under surveillance programs were undermining products and hurting their bottom lines. at week's end, voices from every branch of government had weighed in, in favor of reigning in intelligence gathering. >> the message is very clear, the message to the nsa is now coming from every branch of government, from every corner of our nation nsa, you've gone too far. >> president obama has some big decisions to make about his government's intelligence gathering. he has already rejected one recommendation to create a stronger division between nsa and pentagon. there are 45 more recommendations that are still awaiting his response. if there is one message on this topic, the president wanted to get across yesterday, it's that he is open to reform. >> the question we are going to have to ask is, can we accomplish the same goals that this program is intended to accomplish in ways we give the public more confidence that, in fact, the nsa is doing what it is supposed to be doing. we pay have to refine this further to give people more confidence. >> all right. i want to welcome back norm and former congressman and candidate for her own seat nan hayworth. liza, the co-director at the brennan center is here with us now, new york congressman jerry nather is still with us. ly za, i will start with you. when we played a little of the president yesterday, we know he has all these recommendation, what did you make of what you were hearing from him yesterday? do you think there was anything significant in terms of a change that was hinted at there is this what is your overall impression of what you heard from the president? >> i think he was being non-committal. i think he had to be non-committal. i think he is now in a rather difficult commission, the committee he appointed, his five appointees recommended sweeping changes to the nsa's activities and the intelligence committee he oversees is going to oppose those changes very, very strongly. >> that puts him in a very difficult position. i think it's a very difficult line that he's going to have to walk and so i think that's what we saw. and some of the hedgeing comments that he gave. >> well, congressman, where do you think the president really is on this? because some of you campaigned certainly for the office. hef emphasized a lot, civil liberties. the sort of false choice between security and privacy and now as president, maybe his perspective has changed a little on this, where do you think he comes down on us right now? >> he comes down in favor, against civil liberties pretty solidly t. record of this administration has been very intensetive on all these issues. on torture and things like that, it has been very good. he eliminated the secret sites, they sopd doing the torture and retaliation techniques. but on under surveillance issue, they have not been willing to move at all. when we did the, when we passed, i shouldn't say we. i i voted against it, the repatriate act, which included the section that allegedly gives the authority for this dragnet under surveillance, was passed, most of the democrats on the judiciary committee opposed it. we opposed its reauthorization a few tiles, 2008, 2011. even congressman sensenbrenner who wrote it said that the use of this section to justify dragnet under surveillance, with i seems to be against the text of what we wrote, the section says, the records to be demanded have to be relevant to an ongoing investigation and the way the pfizer court has interpreted that at the behess of the administration is everything is relevant. you might find a needle in the haystack, which is to say every phone call is relevant. which rubs it of all meaning. they have not been good on this state secrets act or the state secrets act which basically has been used be think administration as by the bush administration to stop every lawsuit alleging violation of rights simply by saying this is a state secret, you can't even try the case. so i think that there is going to be a lot of push back. both from the liberal leaning democratic party and the libertarian wing of the republican party against this and the key recommendations of this committee, especially that the dragnet under surveillance stop you need a court order to look at any particular person's phone data is going to have to be adopted. by the way, this all expires t. legislative authorization expires if 2015. if it is not changed in this respect, it will not be extended. >> so that's, the reporting on this, liza, has said the most consen us the recommendation from the pan sell that, no longer can the government store all of this sort of bulk data on phone calls, that it should be the telecommunications companies, themself, that hold on to that data and the government then needs to get a warrant if they want to look at anybody's particular records. do you -- how big a difference do you think that would make if that recommendation was accepted? would that satisfy a lot of your concerns? >> well that is, in fact, what section 258 of the patriot's act the business provision being used for this program, that's what it says. it says if the government wants to get information from a telephone company, it in edz to get a fisa court order after deteriorateing the records are relevant. it squares or would square the government's practice of what the statute up here is to say the problem is that the statute at the time of the bulk collection is brought under the statute was stretched beyond all possible meaning. i thinks a common sense reversion the law required. >> when we start to get into this, the the from michael hayden the cia, the old security versus personal liberties, he said for sure there are other values than intelligence collection. those may be worth it. there is no doubt this will make the dengs collection slower and more difficult, talking about that proposal. >> the 4th amendment was written specifically to say that general warrant as practiced by the british let us see everything, were not to be done. and what this is, is essentially a general warrant the way they've used the patriot act is to recreate where we not the american revolution to oppose. that's judge leon found it unconstitutional. no matter what section 217 says, this is unconstitutional. >> the reminds me about a discussion earlier, about sexual assault in the military. you have military commanders saying trust us, we will do the right thing. we have 30 years saying they don't. you need checks and balances. the nsa will push the limits to get what they want. i am of two minds about this there are evil people out there including some americans who want to do mayhem. it's not that difficult. we found the boston marathon tells us that. i want tools at disposal of people to head off these things. it was judge walton, also a republican appointee, judge leon, a republican appointee who have been furious with the fact the nsa basically has jerked the fisa court around from time to time. so when you get dick clark, who is a part of this administration, a mr. anti-terrorism. a pan i trust implicitly with these stuff, coming out with some of these recommendations, they got to be taken seriously by the president. >> noon the republicans on this, there is two wings that have emerged in the republican party on these issues, you got of pete king from new york embodies one, he is the absolute priority to stopping terrorism. we will do whatever it takes. then you got this rand paul libertarianism. where do you come down on that? >> i am deeply concerned about toeshl e potential abuses, i am deeply concerned about national security. we do face hideous threats. there is no question about it. look at what we saw with the behavior of the irs over the past year, which has been observed and studied in terms of their targeting certain groups of citizens because they're political police. >> that's a dispute. >> fair enough, steve. it illustrates the potential for abuse. we know it's there. that's why we have a 4th amendment. that's why we did what we did at the founding of this country in the writing of the bill of rights. so so this committee, this commission has come up with who sounds to me like a sensible middle ground approach that will respect the privacy far more materially, respect what's in the constitution, water in the bill of rights, but also facilitate and we do need to work on all the mechanics of facilitating swift and decisive action, targeted action, where it is needed and indicated to have these records accessed. we will pick it up right with you congressman nather with you as soon as we come back. change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the aerospace industry in the u.s.? 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>> it's so hard, no question he's had a profound effect now. much will be a positive effect. on the other handsh i don't think he's a good guy. i think the entire process the privatizizationation of security cleaners that got him this job, gave him this enormous access is something we got to rethink as well. >> that he went to hong kong through china, to russia, doesn't leave me feeling very positively towards him. he's got a mound of other information and evidence, some of which could be deeply damaging to the united states and it may be that we're getting close to the time when we're going to have to cut a deal. >> we don't really know what he has, right? >> we don't know what he knows. the cia says they don't have any records of what he took. so far at least we're not aware that he's released any information that has harmed the united states in anyway. in one sense maybe we need an edward sfoeden to deal with a government that is has grossly violated the constitution, grossly violated the law and kept that fact secret. >> i would say he has done some things that have harmed us. although they haven't harmed us in terms of our intelligence gathering capacity. the fact that he had access tells you if you check all this bulk information, who knows what kind of people, not just the nsa professionals could get it. looking at what this done. of course, we have been spying on our allies as our allies have been spying on us. when you make that information public, it causes some severious problems. we have them with brazil. >> that actually is damaging trade. it's causing a number of other difficulties. a lot of it is embarrass him. >> that embarrassment has combens consequence, it's not as if it's all benign. >> that's true. germany is another example, spying on merkel. i think there were united states monitoring, i think in israeli, i believe the comment was, i think barak's comment was, i always expected it. i assumed they monitoring, i think every world leader. you talk about that scale, i feel every world leader abroad assumes the united states is trying to penetrate their communications. i assume your allies abroad are doing the same thing. >> it illustrates the, we live always in a perilous world. so it does behoove us constantly. i mean, edward snowden in a way as a man, i agree with norman. i don't think we can hold mg up as a hero at all. but as a phenomenon, as representing the risk that we take when we do not master these programs as a citizenry, as a nation, we put ourselves in terrible jeopardy. we have to direct those resource appropriately. >> you know, snowden so far, i mean, unless he's given somebody information that will cause real harm in the sense of getting agents killed or something, which we're not aware any of that has happened, so far what he's done has resulted in revelations of gross unconstitutional and conduct on the part of various government agencies that tlent all our liberties. it has resulted in moves to change that, for which we should be very thankful. it has resulted in some embarrass him to the occupation, but which will predominate the bad or the good i think remains to be seen. >> i think it goes both ways. >>ly za, as somebody who has been working hard for years to get this sort of debate into the public sphere, do you think it was practically speaking, could you have got then debate going without edward snowden doing what he did. >> no, you could not get the question going. it's a very, very difficult question. you don't want to turn the classification system into a free for all. you don't want people to come across classified everyday of government misconduct really can't do anything about it. actually in the review group's report, there is a recommendation to strengthen the channels that are available for national security whistle blowers. they never mentioned edward snowden by name. they condemn leaks of classified information. there is language in this report that acknowledges the public service provided by whistle blowers and the need for a much more robust system of legal protects for national security whistle blowers. >> we had a series of court decisions in which plaintiffs challenging under surveillance of them, their suits were thrown out of court because they could not detail they were surveiled. >> i want to thank everyone for joining us today. another exciting election year ahead. the first big election days on the calendar will be here sooner than you think. we have a handy guide and calendar for you just ahead. 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consider this your warning and you're helpful giechld here's what's on the docket. what we will be watching closely in the months ahead, first up on march 4th of 2014, a few months from now, when the state of texas, republican senator john cornyn is facing a challenge from congressman steve stockman, who may be the most far right leaning member of the house. things haven't been going all that well for stockman so far. his office has been condemned by fire marshalls. he tried to say he won the endorsement of the nra when, in fact, their support went to senator corn nine. it shouldn't be a surprise the initial polling has john corn then ahead 50% to 60%. we saw in 2010 and 2012, how quickly these things can change. this is a race to watch. may 20th, mark that on your calendar, this will be huge. mitch mcconnell, the senate majority leader. matt bevin, a wealthy businessman running on mcconalpha anything to. bevin have it keizoed mcconnell saying quote there is no threat of default bevin is considered a long shot against mcconnell. think of the message the tea party will be sending if it can take out the top republican in the senate. and even if bevin doesn't win, he can rough up mcconnell and make him more. mississippi on june 3rd. mark that on your calendar this might be the single best chance for the right to take out an incumbent, thad cochran and they are running neck and neck in polk t. south carolina on june 10th, senator lindsey graham will be facing multiple challengers. nobody gets over 50% in that initial round, this will be a runoff. that same day in maine, a challenger to maine's republican senator susan collins announced his candidacy earlier this month, erick bennett says it isn't so much about him but about a desire to force a conversation among republicans about senator collins' voting record. with 44% of republican primary voters telling ppp last month they would support a more conservative alternative next year. go to kansas on august 5th of next year the senate conservatives fund, jim demint started a up canle years ago, that i are throwing their weight behind the challenger to republican senator pat roberts. his name is dr. milton wolf. he served in the senate since 1996. he votes in this party 90% of the time. again, in the gop, there has been no such thing as too conservative. two days after that, lamar alexander will face state representative joe carr in tennessee. you may not want to spend too much time on this, joe carr may be making contingency plans. again the tea party era, we have seen anything can happen in these things. august 19th in wyoming, of course, is the big showdown the within we have already talked about between mike enzi and liz cheney. almost like a family feud when you consider senator enzi hasn't done anything to offend conservatives. he has been close to the cheney family until now. so far enzi, polls show a 50% edge, a lot of time between now and then. >> that is eight incumbent senators up for re-election if 2014 and who are facing republican primary challenges. in a different time, we'd assume that most of these are mostly new sans challenges and we would just ignore them. if we have learned anything in the tea party era, it's that the right is happy to go to war with its own and if you end up on its hit list, it can take you out with literally anyone. just ask mike castle and richard lugger. that's how it worked if 2010. that's how it worked in 2012. we are going to find out if it's going to be the same in 2014. asw stapler purchase in three years. but then i saw the new windows tablet, . ask me what it's like to get your best night's sleep every night. 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>> yes. >> we will '100 second on the clock. this is the 100 point round. it begins with this. after all ruling by its supreme court on friday this state became the 18th nation. norm. >> utah. >> correct. where same-sex marriage is now lysle. 100 point question, sarah palen and ted cruz rallied to the defense of -- norm. >> "duck dynasty" founder. >> duck fine i dynasty the show on a & e. that's correct. 100 point question, which governor signed legislation yesterday this state became the 18th in the nation for the allow immigrant students without legal status to attend -- >> new jersey. >> allowed to aand the and pay in state tuition. correct. 100 points for the congressman. 100 point question, president obama announced on friday that he will nominate this senator as u.s. ambassador -- norm. >> max baucus. >> max baucus as ambassador to coin, correct. this is an enstant bonus, norm, for 100 extra points, name the current u.s. ambassador to china. >> it's gary, oh, gary the former commerce secretary and why am i. >> need an answers him time. it's gary locke is the correct answer. that was only for norm. no penalty there. though. 100 points on thes thatup. the was revealed this week that the husband of liz zane who is running for senate is actually registered to vote in two different states. jerry. >> virginia and wyoming. >> virginia and wyoming. >> her husband is registered in both. >> that is correct. 100 point question, what high ranking capitol hill leader joined the calls this week for the washington redskins to change their name? >> harry reed. >> correct. 100 points. 100 points that up. at a meeting at the white house tuesday, president obama asked the ceo of netflix if he bought advanced copies of this thriller. >> house of cards. >> correct. 100 points. brings us to the end of the 100 point round temperature score congressman nadlor 200. john stanton, 200. very close, very competitive game so far and it moves us as soon as i can sort these cards out. it moves us to the 200 point round. we'll put 100 second on the clock. when we see those 100 seconds, we will begin with this. for 200 points, this company, the largest u.s. defense contractor announced it will no longer give money to the boyscouts of america because of that policy on gays. john. >> incorrect. >> jerry. >> honeywell. >> incorrect. norm. >> lockheed martin. >> effect c. 200 points for norm. 200 point toss up. even many republican senators skip down before a series of confirmation votes on friday this senator remained behind, keeping intact his streak of over 6,800 consecutive votes the longest streak in the senate. time. it's chuck grassley. chuck grassley. 200 point question. in an interview with the "wall street journal" published wednesday, representative paul ryan said he will seek to become the chairman of what? >> ways and means committee. >> correct. 200 point question. in a decision that generated global interest, canada's highest court struck down all of its laws against what, jerry? >> pornography. >> incorrect. >> prostitution. >> prostitution is correct t. other p-word. 200 points to-up question. among the tech leaders who met with president obama on tuesday to discuss how the government can improve i.t. innovation was this ceo of apple. time. his name is tim cook. 200 points to-up question. this long-serving democrat who was rep remand by the house ethics committee three years ago. >> rangle. >> he announced he is running for re-election. democrats if virginia are now in control of every state wide office after the republican candidate for attorney general concede wednesday to this democrat. jerry. >> herring. >> that brings us to the end of the 200-point round. score jerry nadlor. 200. a penalty. norm with 700. john stanton with 2 huh. we go to the 300-point round this. is the ph.d. level. this is where champions are crowned. very high stakes here. gentleman we have the 300 point round begins now. former congressman jack kingston run income a hotly contested primary for senate fro posed last saturday poor school children. >> should have to sweep the floor force subsidized school lunches. correct answer. 300 point question, harry reed said this week highway has grown to really like this republican senator. >> rand paul. >> correct. who last month called him a big bully. 300 point question, president obama and his family departed the white house last night for hawaii, where they will be spending their holidays. next year, hawaii will be the site of a contentious primary election between -- >> schatz. brian schatz, correct. >> 300 point question, the movie "american hustle," which opposite wide this weekend depicts the absscam, "american hustle" is directed by whom? >> russell, correct. >> norm, the instant bonus question. six members of the house were ultimately convicted as a result of abs scam as one senior who became the first to serve jail time in 80 years. name him. >> harrison. >> 300 point question this emmy grammy and tony winner and member of the cast of the 1983 film "the big chill" visited capitol hill on wednesday to advocate for stronger mental health laws. >> time. glen close. 300-point question. on tuesday, a trio of long-time congressmen announced they would retire next year rather than seek another term. name one of them. jerr jerry. >> maltson. >> jim mathson of you tauchl we'll take that. a the other two a frank wolf of virginia or tom latham of iowa. brings us to the end of the 300-point round. jerry finishes with 1,100. short of the 1,300 norm has. >> that means that you, norm onstein the big o today's winner on "up against the clock." bill wolf will tell you what you have won. >> as our champion, will you have your name printed in exskwis it sharpee on the coveted "up against the clock" gold cup. you get to take it home and show it off for the family, friend and school children for one week. will you receive an appearance this coming week on msnbc's "the cycle" 4:00 p.m. eastern time. you will get to play in our bonus round for today's grand g hut in clifton, new jersey, serving up the best franks in the greater meadowlands area. the relish is on us. back to you, steve. >> thanks, bill. that is quite a prize package. norm, those hot dogs i tell you, some of the best hot dogs in the greater meadowlands area and your chance to win them in our jackpot bonus round. this is one question for that $50 gift certificate to ruts hut. here it is. as we mentioned earlier, president obama is set to nominate max baucus as the next u.s. ambassador to china. one previous ambassador to china went on to become president of the united states. name him. >> correct answer is george h.w. bush. not going to rutt's hut but you'll get the prize package. we have the home edition for you. that's perhaps a good holiday gift for someone in your family. we also have our leaders board which we show you moving toward our tournament champions at the end of the year. norm, you're 1,300 points. you will be back for a tournament of champions. and congressman weather a score like that you might be as well. john, we'll see about you. we thank you for playing. we'll be back with final thoughts after this. ♪ i wanna spread a little love this year ♪ [ male announcer ] this december, remember -- you can unwrap craftsmanship, inspiring capability, and some of the best offers of the year on our most versatile luxury utility vehicles at the lexus december to remember sales event. lease the 2014 gx 460 for $499 a month for 27 months. see your lexus dealer. for $499 a month for 27 months. stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. get the new flexcare platinum from philips sonicare and save now. philips sonicare. with head & shoulders? since before jeans were this skinny... since us three got a haircut. since my first 29th birthday [ female announcer ] head & shoulders. the number one dermatologist recommended dandruff brand. so we do our best on "up against the clock" to give you the real score. we've been asking for scoreboards for a while. we have a producer trying her hardest to furiously update the score with 200 here, 300 there, and sometimes it gets confusing and we believe there may have been a scoring error in the last game. we're recalibrating. there is a chance instead of just norm winning there was a tie between norm and the congressman being sorted out as we speak. we will update it later. i will issue my christmas present from msnbc i hope is scoreboards. we have a few seconds here. what my guests think we should know for the week ahead. john. >> deportations to mexico and the plight of tens of thousands of mexicans who were sent back to their home country from the united states. i recommend everyone read the story particularly if they would like to give money to some of the organizations that are working in tijuana and other parts. >> congressman? >> we learned this week a class system is alive and well in india where the government and the media are in high dungeon at the arrest of the deputy council general in new york who was exploiting and stealing wages from her housekeeper. no one in india seems to be concerned that the housekeeper was being exploited, her wages stolen. she was forced to work excessively. all they care about is the deputy continue sewell general who was arrested and not the housekeeper. >> pam carlin, a brilliant stanford law professor and advocate for voting rights, is coming to the justice department to head up the voting right section. good news for anybody who cares about the the state of voting in america and it may put pam in a position at some point down the road to be seriously considered as a real progressive on the supreme court. >> nan. >> i've been having a lot of conversations with constituents under the age of 30 and the disillusionment with the policies of this administration is growing. i think that's going to be a real phenomenon, especially considering the manifestations of the affordable care act and something we should keep an eye on. >> there is a potential republican candidate in 2014, a message i think we'll be hearing from a lot of republicans in 2014. my thanks to my guests. thank you for getting up. thanks for joining us today for "up." up next is melissa harris-perry. we will see you tomorrow at 8:00. thanks for getting up. hey there, i just got my bill, and i see that it includes my fico® credit score. yup, you get it free each month to help you avoid surprises with your credit. good. i hate surprises. surprise! at discover, we treat you like you'd treat you. get the it card and see your fico® credit score. ♪ through 12 blizzards blowing ♪ 6 snowballs flying ♪ 5 packages addressed by toddlers ♪ ♪ that's a q ♪ 4 lightning bolts ♪ 3 creepy gnomes ♪ 2 angry geese ♪ and a giant blow-up snowman ♪ that kind of freaks me out [ beep ] [ female announcer ] no one delivers the holidays like the u.s. postal service. priority mail flat rate is more reliable than ever. and with improved tracking up to 11 scans, you can even watch us get it there. and look for our limited edition holiday stamps. but he's got such sensitive skin that you worry about what you use in the laundry. my tide, downy, and bounce all come in free & gentle. so we get a cleaner, softer blankie. 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