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About her allegation. Also its the dinner that helped make barack obama a star. Many consider iowas liberty and justice celebration as the place where obama had his break out moment in the 2007 president ial race. Tonight 14 democrats candidates are trying to have their own break out moments at that very same event on the same night that beto orourke dropped out of the race. Theres a lot to talk about in the 2020 race. But first House Democrats are preparing to take the impeachment investigation public. Speaker nancy pelosi told Bloomberg News that public hearings from key witnesses could start later this month. But she cautioned there was no deadline to finish the investigation and that any case to impeach the president , quote, has to be iron clad. The investigating committees have already heard testimony from 13 witnesses who have provided roughly 100 hours of testimony behind closed doors. Next week House Democrats have 11 more witnesses on their deposition calendar, and their testimonies could prove pivotal. On monday the investigating committees are scheduled to hear from National Security council lawyer John Eisenberg who allegedly moved a transcript of the phone call between President Trump and president zelensky of ukraine to a secret server. And breaking tonight, investigators have subpoenaed John Eisenberg to appear before the impeachment committees next week rather than rely on his voluntary cooperation. Thats according to the new york times. New reporting suggests that John Eisenberg knew how damaging that phone call was to the president. This man, Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman who served as National Security councils director for ukraine told lawmakers that he went to John Eisenberg to register his concerns about the call. According to a person in the room for vindmans deposition, John Eisenberg recorded Lieutenant Colonel vindmans complaints and then conferred with his deputy about how to handle the conversation. Politico reports, quote, the lawyers then decided to move the record of the call into the nscs top secret code word system. Vindman did not consider the move itself as evidence of a coverup, according to person familiar with his testimony. But he said he became disturbed when a few days later eisenberg instructed him not to tell anybody about the call especially because it was vindmans job to coordinate the interagency process with regard to ukraine policy. Nbc news and the Washington Post have since confirmed that reporting. Also breaking tonight, House Democrats have scheduled out going Energy Secretary rick perry to provide testimony to the impeachment committees. A spokeswoman for rick perry told the wall street journal that he wont testify behind closed doors. But the spokeswoman added, quote, if the committee is interested in conducting serious proceeding, they are welcome to send the secretarys consideration an invitation to participate in an open hearing where the departments counsel can be president and the American People can witness. So we might see rick perry on our Television Sets in an open hearing sooner than we think. Like with rick perry its important to know we dont know if many of these witnesses will actually appear for their closed door depositions. If precedent holds most of them will, but nothing is guaranteed with this administration. Last night Intelligence Committee chairman adam schiff said the committees will start releasing the transcripts of all these closed door depositions, depositions from diplomats, military advisers and Foreign Policy experts that have yielded blockbuster evidence of a quid pro quo. One of the aspects of the resolution that we passed today authorizes me to begin releasing transcripts. And i would expect that process will begin as early as next week. Now, as i mentioned later this month House Democrats plan to take the impeachment investigation public. But even before the public hearings take place it seems that the investigation has already started putting a dent in President Trumps poll numbers among republicans. A new the Washington Post abc news poll finds that 49 of americans say that President Trump should be impeached and removed from office. 47 of americans say that President Trump should not be impeached. Now, heres where things get interesting. 18 of republicans polled say that the president should be impeached and removed from office. Almost 1 in 5 republicans wants trump out. And the president s Approval Rating among republicans has dropped 13 points since this summer. In july trump enjoyed support from 87 of republicans, and now that support is at 74 . Who knows how low it could go once the impeachment investigation is all out in the open. Leading off our discussion tonight, democratic congressman ro khana of california and has attended many of the closed door depositions from the impeachment investigation. And also joining us Barbara Mcquade and ben rodes, former deputy National Security advisor to president obama, hes also an msnbc political analyst. Congressman khana, good to see you again. Lets talk about what the next step is in this process, the open hearings. At least for the next week or so we presume the hearings of the people who have been subpoenaed or invited will testify in a closed door setting where democrats and republicans are present. Yes, yes, ali, we will continue to gather the evidence and republicans are there as well, they have their council. And the important thing to realize here is the facts arent in dispute. I think a few key witnesses like ambassador taylor will establish that the president withheld aid, pressuring zelensky to investigate joe biden, his political rival and this is unconstitutional. Congressman, whats the advantage of the closed door hearings versus the public hearings. If you keep getting the evidence we keep on hearing because we see the Opening Statements the witness presents, they seem to corroborate the story that democrats believe to be the case. Why the closed door hearings versus open hearings . Well, first of all i think many of the witnesses may not be willing to come and be badgered in front of national television. I mean, the republican attacks on career Civil Servants and people that have served our military have been outrageous, and i dont think we would get the same cooperation or same honesty if we were forcing these individuals to have to testify to millions of people and face the wrath of the president of the United States and republicans. But they ultimately will, right . Youll take sort of the best ofs and put them together for public hearings . Yes, i think a lot of the depositions will eventually be released, but not everyone is going to have to testify publicly. And they are going to have the opportunity first to make the case in private instead of in the glare of the television. So i think that this is the way almost all investigations have taken place. And the republicans are making a process argument for one simple reason, they know they cant defend the facts. I mean, the facts are so simple. The president pressured zelanesky to investigate his political rival and withheld military aid. Barbara mccade, we now know through the course of testimony there were lawyers involved. The Washington Post is reporting on John Eisenberg and his request to Alexander Vindman not to talk about the trumpukraine phone call that vindman was so concerned about that weve all heard about. And i want to quote from the Washington Post the interaction between eisenberg and vindman suggests there was a sense among some in the white house that trumps call with zelensky was not as the president has repeatedly claimed perfect. Eisenberg has been subpoenaed. We dont know whether hell attend the deposition or not, but the fact is this is a lawyer for the National Security council. What does this make you think . I think its very concerning. We had already heard the information that John Eisenberg, the lawyer, had taken the unusual step of concealing this collin a code word safe where its not normally stored. That raised a lot of questions i think to why that was done. Now we have this additional testimony by colonel vindman he also told him not to tell anybody about this call. I think that suggests what prosecutors refer to as consciousness of guilt. This could be a basis for obstruction of justice, although to prove a case of obstruction of justice and this may have predated any investigation, but it shows something deemer which this idea of consciousness of guilt. You dont have to hide things if you think theyre honest and done forthrightly. You worry theres a problem there. And so the mere fact hes storing it in this special safe and asking vindman not to speak about it suggests he knows theres something problematic about it. I dont know if you ever experienced things like this, but how would this have been handled . Vindman heard something that was a concern to him and it sounds like as a military man he had a sense of process about him, he went to the nscs lawyer, probably the right thing to do. The nsc lawyer, though, used to be there not to facilitate crimes but to make sure we were out there in an ethical way. Whats extraordinary to me about this i knew that system. That system was reserved for very sensitive matters, covert operations at the United States. Things that dealt with sensitive human intelligence sources for instance. We dont put things on that server just because theyre embarrassing. And you certainly dont put things on a server just because you realize the president of the United States may have committed an impeachable crime in a phone call with a foreign leader. So its rather extraordinary to me that the lawyers, the people keeping people on the right side of the law were instead trying to conseal information. And theres no other reason to put that call on that server. Theres no other Sensitive Information on that call, no intelligence on that call. The only reason to put that call transcript on that server is if you dont want enough people to see it to catch you in that crime. I know you cant tell me about things that were not in the public eye in the last couple of weeks in terms of testimony. But it does appear from what we have heard has happened that these each witness tends to corroborate the last witness. We had tim morrison who said he didnt think what the president did was illegal, but thats sort of besides the point. He did say he heard the same things others said they say theyd heard on that call. Whether you interpret it as illegal is a separate question. Are you hearing things that are surprising you . Are you hearing things that are contradicting what we got from the president himself . Ali, based on the public reporting heres whats important to realize. This was not just one phone call by donald trump and zelensky where he misspoke. The president of the white house feared joe biden was the person most likely to beat him, and they were willing to with hold military aid. And whats remarkable is how many people were involved in this scheme. Republicans were saying quid pro quo is just part of normal Foreign Policy. This is not the president saying get to the bottom of corruption. This is the president saying help me beat my political rival whos winning in the polls. The president very quickly after news of this broke said it was about corruption in ukraine. I want to ask, barbara, a legal question about it. President trump mentioned this at a rally in mississippi tonight. Lets listen. When you call the leaders of a country many people listen. And im on the phone, and they want me to say to this brand new president who just got there, call to congratulate him, uh, please could you help me, please . I dont know who he is. I didnt know his name i will i looked on the card and one of the reasons i held up money, very important, corruption, but the other reason why isnt germany and france and u. K. And all of these european nations that are right there, why arent they doing things that theyre supposed to do . Why is it always from the United States . From the applause there you can see this works for the audience thats listening to him except for the fact its not true, what the president just said. And hes been singing this since he tried to corruption thing and it didnt work, he then moved to the whole im holding out so the europeans would do more for ukraine. The europeans have always done more for ukraine since the beginning of this crisis with russia. We put together with the europeans this entire strategy of essentially imposing sanctions on the russians, and providing coordinating support, the United States and europe to the Ukrainian Government. And to follow up on something thats really important, the people who testified, i used to work on this policy, its everybody who works on the ukraine policy. Its the guy who works in the state department, the pentagon. Everybody whod be sitting around the table in the interagency process was witting of essentially this corruption of our ukraine policy to make it not about working with the europeans to try to strengthen the Ukrainian Government but how can we facilitate Rudy Giulianis effort to pressure this government to investigate the president s political opponents. That is a whole sale corruption again not just in the phone call but what the tax aided u. S. Government was doing to do trumps bidding. One week ago we were talking about how he had butt dialled an nbc reporter, that said donald trump continues to try and have this tried in a court of Public Opinion. He in the course of one speech has now tried out the corruption angle and tried out the i was just waiting for u. K. And germany and france to do more. Does any of this matter in the end . It could. You know, anything he says, anything he tweets are admissions that can be used against him later. If he locks himself into a certain story and changes his story later, there is some suggestion there is a lack of truth there. But i think that impeachment unlike criminal prosecution is ultimately a political process. And so if he can win in the court of Public Opinion he may be able to win in the impeachment battle as well. So i think thats the game hes playing. Hes good at it, and im sure hell continue to try to distract people from the real facts. Barbara mcquade, thank you, congressman ro khana and ben rhode. One republican congressman head butting a camera today instead of talking about trumps behavior. Were going to tell you what we found out after the break. And later a big break after the 2020 front. Who broke through amid the breaking news tonight that beto orourke has ended his quest for the white house. A lot of fuse to talk about tonight on the last word. K ab tonight on the last word. I have moderate to severe pnow, theres skyrizi. 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Republicans have been quick to chide the impeachment process to avoid discussing whether its appropriate for President Trump to solicit a Foreign Government to investigate his political opponent. But now that the impeachment inquiry is about to become public, republicans are forced to confront the substance of the case against donald trump. Questions theyve been dodging by any means necessary. Was it appropriate for the president to ask for investigations of his democratic rivals with another foreign leader . Ive never seen one talking point from a white house. Im talking to you based upon the most important facts we have. You have no problem with any of this . I have zero problems with this phone call. Even with that sequencing . I just told you. Do you wish that conversation wouldnt have happened, sir . I wish they hadnt released the transcript of the conversation. Boy, thats the elephant in the room, but i did not see it as a quid pro quo. Would you ask a foreign country to investigate im not president of the United States. Is it okay for a president to extort other countries to investigate okay, were going to move onto another question, but what i would say is we cant determine that yet. Do you think its okay for President Trump to ask china to launch an investigation of joe biden and hunter biden . I dont know thats a real request or him just needling the press. The question is is it appropriate for a president is it okay for a president to ask a foreign country to investigate the bidens . What do you make of these allegations . I said im not going to comment on the merits of whats going forward. Is that concerning at all to you that the transcript had been described as a perfect transcript but may not have been . No. Theres a process. The changes outlined in the press were not a big deal. Republicans are so desperate not to answer questions about trumps behavior that veteran congressman don young from alaska head butted a camera when confronted by the liberal group move on. Org before ducking into an elevator. Its a simple yes or no question. Is it okay . Is it an acceptable thing to ask Foreign Governments to interfere in our elections . Just asking the same question over and over again is not going to get you guys anywhere. If you talk to zack in our office, hes our press secretary. Hes the best person to talk to about this and be able to get you something back. Just curious, its a yes or no question. Do you think its okay for a president to pressure Foreign Governments and interfere in our elections . Have you ever been in a situation like that where youre like why is the elevator not coming . We called zack in the congressmans press office to get an answer. Guess what . No response. The next public phase of impeachment could take its toll on republicans as Jennifer Ruben notes, quote, if republicans ever break free of their irrational fear of trump and his base they might recognize saving him is incompatible with saving themselves. Joining us now Jennifer Ruben, and a visiting professor at harvard university. I felt for the congressman there for a second as he was trying to get into the elevator and escape the questioning. Republican after republican nobody wants to discuss the merits, nobody wants to comment on the merits or hathey have a problem with the phone call. That whole argument about how its sovietstyle depositions will evaporate. Well, i guess now zack is the congressman from alaska because apparently he can answer questions that the congressman doesnt. I find this really sort of embarrassing and pathetic. These people are paid to at least give us their opinion. To be afraid of saying what they think or to run literally from the press or their own constituents, this is not a sustainable strategy. And from the poll numbers from people like Cory Gardener and its not going to sustain them. I think theyre trapped. The process argument has fallen apart as you say, and they dont have a good substantive argument. The president s defense is i did it and it doesnt matter, i dont care, everything i do is fine. Article ii of the constitution allows me to do whatever the heck i want. So i dont know how senators in particular who i think have a higher level of probity are going to do with this. Essentially we have a confession. Were now going to have to exonerate them, thats what the senate is contemplating even with the quid pro quo. You know, hey, whatever Lindsey Graham was on there saying he had no problem with the phone call. There were a couple of people there who didnt take any issue with it. But they were saying unfair question, not interviewing yourself, well get to the merits of it. At some point and that point may come within two weeks, within 30 days, but there will be nothing to hide behind and there will just be the facts, which by the way most of us have known largely since day one what happens then . Well, i think theyre in a heap of trouble, but they were already in a heap of trouble. We have reached a pretty bad point when don youngs head butt may have been the most honest response in that whole lot of evasions. I was thinking about that old police song when i saw that series of words thats all i have to say to you. They have nothing to say because they know that they are being asked to defend the indefensible, and it is particularly hard for senators in tough races next year in tough states Susan Collins and Cory Gardener because they lose either way. They need the trump base, and they know they need a lot of votes from antitrump people. What youre starting to see, theres a story in the post, theyre going to try to pivot to say, well, yeah, this is what he said but its not impeachable or its not illegal. But this is a complete contradiction to so many of the things theyve said in the past during the russia investigation they were saying foreign interference would be wrong but trump is innocent. They cant say hes innocent now because the evidence is too overwhelming. And thats why they just dont know what to say. And were seeing a crack amongst conservatives, jennifer, in this support amongst republicans for donald trump is now down to about 74 in this particular instance. Chris wallace yesterday on fox saying it was more than just a phone call or a perfect phone call, whatever it is. The judge andrew wrote an oped in which he weighs in on this. He says with the process soon to be as republicans have demanded and with the proof of impeachable offenses plain to see to what will the president s allies resort as a defense . They will claim the federal crimes of soliciting Campaign Assistance from Foreign Governments and bribery arent impeachable offenses and that trump was misunderstood because he exaggerates all the time and often doesnt mean what he says. And then the American Public will decide if this all this is skim milk or cream. And thats what a comes down to. Were not unlike the mueller report, were not going to be i imagine, im guessing were not going to be having arguments of fact come two weeks from now or three weeks from now. This is what the republicans are reduced to arguing, that bribery is not an impeachable offense. This is pretty crazy stuff. And i think ejs exactly right that for senators who dont live in the middle of deep, deep red america and are not soaking day after day in fox news, these arguments are going to come across as pretty crack pottish. And think about this, does the Republican Party really want to go down in history as the procorruption party . This is essentially what trump is saying. I can get foreigners to decide our elections. I can use taxpayer funded aid to ukraine, which is defending itself against whats supposed to be a common enemy, russia, and instead get them to use their influence to help me win an election. This is the very essence of corruption, and i dont see how its going to be sustainable for them to keep supporting it and defending it. Thanks to both of you. Always appreciate your analysis. Coming up the shifting ground in the race to defeat donald trump. A new poll shows a four way race in iowa as beto orourke drops out of the race. 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That was former congressman beto orourke telling sporeuppos hes officially dropping out of the president ial even with these latest developments were still more than three months out of the Iowa Caucuses and a reminder just how early we are in the process is taking place tonight in the hawkeye state. Is the annual liberty and justice celebration. It was formerly known as the States Jefferson and jackson dinner. The event has a deep place in Democratic Campaign lore partly because it was where many considered the president ial campaign of then senator barack obama to have first taken off with the delivery of this speech. We can make this election not about fear but about the future. And that wont just be a democratic vaca democratic victory. And that will be an american victory. And that is victory America Needs right now. Tonight 14 Democratic Candidates are each trying to have their own break out moment. Heres a look at some of the top moments. The first time i came to this state was as a volunteer to knock on doors for a president ial candidate, a young man with a funny name. And we knew the stakes were high then. The stakes are colossal now. Theres a couple of things ive learned the last couple of weeks. Number one is that Vladimir Putin doesnt want me to be president. And number two, donald trump doesnt want me to be the nominee. Anyone who comes on this stage and tells you they can make change without a fight is not going to win that fight. And anyone who comes on this stage and tells you to dream small and give up early is not going to lead our party to victory. When we come back ill be joined by the person who helped barack obama write that famous speech as well as someone who worked for the campaign that had to respond to it. Ill ask them what they think of the current crop of Democratic Candidates. Thats next. E current crop of dc candidates thats next. Feedback that helps you drive safer. 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And i want to give a shout out to beto because he had the courage beto had the courage to say, look, you cant walk around talking about gun safety but you dont have the courage to figure out how youre going to take 5 million assault weapons off the streets of america. Joining me now neera tanden, she was the policy director for Hillary Clintons 2008 campaign. Shes the president and ceo of the center for american progress. Ben rhodes also back with us. He helped barack obama write the famous speech we saw in the previous segment. Ben, lets talk about that night in 2007, this night in 2007 at that event in iowa. You put a lot into that being the Pivotal Moment for barack obama and in the end it paid off. Look, he was lagging behind in the polls. There wasnt a sense of whether or not you could put this whole thing together, and thats really the starting gun. Together with john favro and with then senator obama we sat down. What you need to do is why should i be president , why me not nobody else, and what is this sense of urgency that i bring to this . And can i prove to those people in iowa that ive heard them and that is making be a better candidate . And he laid it all out in 15 minutes and from there on that was lightening in a bottle. Lets talk about a few things that have happened this week starting with tonight. The departure of beto orourke. It was starting to look inevitable. Does it benefit anyone in the race . I first want to say that beto or ran a race i think brought a lot of important issues to the table. Obviously he was an incredible advocate on issues like immigration, gun violence. And i think he really gave a moral voice after el paso in fighting Donald Trumps white nationalism, really, his racism. And he had a moral clarity i think was a really important contribution. In terms of the polling and whats happened and what weve seen is from polls in july and over the summer when people asked second choices interestingly enough a lot of his voters seemed to go to biden first then bernie and then some other candidates. So i think thats very fluid and it might be different today than it was over the summer. Whats really true of this race is it was extremely fluid. It was fluid 12 years ago at this time. And it is very fluid now. And i think days like tonight and the next debate are when people the voters are really going to feel like they have to make decisions because they havent been making them thus far. What do you think about the top of the pack right now . Were still looking at bernie sanders, still looking at elizabeth warren. Were still looking at joe biden, and then youve got Pete Buttigieg bumping up close to them and then everybody else still at 5 or lower. Well, for me i think i do think it is still pretty fluid. Obviously mayor buttigieg has been rising in iowa. I think he had a really good debate performance a few weeks ago, and that is going to help crystallize how he does. I would say ben is really right, though. The truth is that this is the time that these candidates have to make a reassuring argument. They have to make the argument as to why they are the best person to take on donald trump and lead the Democratic Party and actually and you saw tonight make the argument about why they are better than their opponents. And i do think that we saw a number of the candidates this evening make the case as to what could fuel their race and, you know, whats best for them. Elizabeth warren, that shes a fire. Kamala harris that shes a prosecutor. Mayor pete talking about how he can inspire a new generation, a lot like then senator obama did. And joe biden really making the case that, you know, actually both donald trump and putin see him as the most wary opponent. Ben, both Amy Klobuchar and Kamala Harris are not in that front pack, but this is an important three months thats coming up. Kamala harris pulling out some staffing from other states to concentrate everything on iowa. And by the way, a strategy to make iowa really important did work for barack obama. But that looks like what Kamala Harris is doing now. Shes putting it all on iowa at the moment. And shes closing some offices and pushing chips in iowa. We all kind of knows the outlines of the race right now. Youve got warren, biden, pete coming on. And to me when i go back to why did that speech work for obama, he really spoke to what is this moment, what is on your minds . And i get it. I get what you care about, and im going to make this bigger. Im going to make this a movement. Everybody jump onboard with me, and yes, draw some contrast with my opponents. I would like to see these candidates. The one thing they havent quite yet done is theyre arguing about things, medicare for all. Theyre arguing about policy proposals. Were in a big moment in this country right now. Weve got an election coming up where the stakes are higher than anything i can remember my whole life, and id like to see them really go big. And laum lah came out like a fighter. She came out like i get how upset people are, how scared people are, right . And i think the person whos going to emerge from this pack in the next few weeks is a person who can take, yes, the policy proposals they have, but how do you put that together of a movement that can capture the fear and hope and move that forward . Thank you for joining us tonight. Coming up, stunning news this week that the Trump Administration separated even more families than previously known. Congresswoman Debby Wassermann Schultz confronted Ken Cuccinelli in a live hearing. She was criticized today on fox news, and tonight debbie Wassermann Schultz gets the last word. Wassermann schultz gets the last word. 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Im a member of the Oversight Committee, a member of a coequal branch of the government, much to the annoyance of mr. Cuccinelli, to call what has been evident. This administration has had an immigration policy based on a white supremacist ideology. All i did was had an opportunity to say it to his face. Thats my responsibility as a member of a coequal branch of government. Weve been covering it for a long time, trying to hold the executive accountable with the pictures and stories about whats going on on the southern border. It doesnt seem to have softened the administrations view. The idea that they want to limit Legal Immigration in fact, and then deal with undocumented immigrants the way they did, it seems economically unsound and not in keeping with americas principles. Ali, the question i was asking was about the public charge rule that Ken Cuccinelli advanced, which would deny immigration to an individual who may become what he called a public charge if they needed benefits when they come to the United States. And that is intimidating thousands of families and having them withdraw their children from vital Public Programs that keep them healthy and safe. He couldnt even answer the simple question i was asking, how many children did that public charge rule affect. He had no idea because he didnt care. And that further underscored what i was saying, which is that they have been persecuting people of color. Their policy advances a white supremacist ideology and i called that out. That was a different hearing than what most americans have thought was going on on capitol hill, people have been watching people going into deposition and coming out and trying to get reporting on whats going on in those hearings. This is something that certainly in the next to or three weeks, depending on how it goes, will start to become public. What do you mean americans are going to hear when they start watching impeachment hearings . As americans watch the public impeachment hearings, theyre going to see what i had an opportunity to see as a member of the Oversight Committee in these depositions, and that is that this has been a thousandpiece puzzle that has slowly that the evidence made clear that the president that a direct line is drawn to the president in withholding military aid approved by republicans and democrats from a country that vitally needs it to keep a foreign enemy, russia, at bay, and also dangled a white house meeting all in an effort to get him to open up an investigation into the president s political opponents. That is illegal. Withholding the military assistance is a law the president violated. He abused his power. Thats unacceptable. Its illegal. And its impeachable. During the mueller report, there were discussions and arguments on the facts. There does not seem to be any discussion or arguments on the facts here. Your colleagues across the aisle, republican colleagues in congress, are not arguing the facts at the moment, theyre arguing the process. Its really pathetic, actually. Ive watched people who i respect in many respects really become sycophants to this president , they cower in fear of losing power because of him. Instead of arguing the substance, because they cant, you cant listen to the evidence and think anything other than that this president is guilty as sin, what they do instead iss ig a is argue process. Now theyre saying, its perfectly okay that he withheld military assistance that we approved in law to get a foreign country to investigate his political opponents. Its perfectly okay that were drawing direct lines with a quid pro quo between President Trump and president zelensky with the president trying to get ukraine to interfere in the president ial election in 2020. It is ripe for an impeachment inquiry. And when the American Public sees it, i know theyll be appalled. Congresswoman debbie Wasserman Schultz, thank you for joining us. That is tonights last word. This sunday night, please watch impeachment white house in crisis with ari melber. It airs at 9 00 p. M. The 11th hour with Brian Williams begins now. Tonight there are new details on extraordinary steps to keep that socalled perfect phone call under wraps. Plus as trump and his allies consider an impeachment defense, we talk with a watergate prosecutor about what may and may not work. And the big political headlines out of iowa tonight. Beto is done and a frontrunner has put a healthy price tag on her health care plan. The 11th hour on a friday night starts now

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