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Of that . Yeah, its a herculean task. The way it works is an onscene commander xhis eer initially fr Patrol Division of the local police will arrive and coordinate an active shooter team, which is made up of two or three of the first responding officers who go right into to try to engage the shooter. It looks like from the reports that the shooters deceased, at least thats whats been reported today a few minutes ago. I dont know if thats been confirmed by nbc news. But they want to engage the shooter. They want to take down the shooter. And then everythings going to slow way down. If youre barricaded in a classroom or an he was, slow down is good because it means that maybe the threat has been neutralized, eliminated, put down, arrested or killed. And they will then slowly move through to get each and every classroom and office safe. Jim, stay with us. Lets listen in to the coverage from our local seattle affiliate king 5. Presumably it came directly from marysvillepilchuck high school. We cant say with any certainty that anybody was on board that aircraft. And certainly i think i will saw information 20 minutes ago, 25 minutes ago northwest said it had not transported anybody. Within the past ten minutes it plopped down on the roof of the hospital coming from the shooting scene. Our sumgts is somebodys on board. We did talk with a Public Information officer from providence, who told us things were pretty frantic right now. She didnt have any information she could confirm. We cant say with absolute certainty that any victims are here at this everett hospital. Im standing across from the emergency room right now. I see a marysville fire aid car. I see several Everett Police officers here, aid cars from other areas, as well as some rural Metro Private ambulance units and some of these certainly look like and certainly the way that people are running around here, crews running around here, it looks like this is the spot where some of these victims may have been transported to. Were awaiting official confirmation of that, but theyve got a helicopter here and aid cars here, so it sure looks like this is the place that some of these victims are coming. Chris, thank you. We just want to let viewers know Marysville Police department now giving an update on whats happening at the high school. According to a reporter watching that press conference, he says Marysville Police reports that the shooter is dead. That the shooter was a student and they are continuing to clear buildings. Just as soon as we can get the live signal up of the press conference, well bring that to you right here. We to want go to eric wilkinson, nearby that Church Gathering place. Eric, where are you . Were being told this is the secondary location for parents to pick up their kids. There are a couple dozen parents here nervously awaiting those buses carrying the kids, to reunite them with their children. We are joined with jose garcia. His sister was inside that school. She was texting him as the shooting was going on. Jose, can you tell us what she said happened . Yes. She text me, saying jo jo my nickname were going to interrupt you for a second and go to Marysville Police Department Holding that press conference. We have a Police Officer located on campus. Reporter was that person there at the time . I dont not know that. Is it typical for your assignment to be there . The resource officer located on campus. Reporter was that person there at the time . I do not know that. Reporter was it typical for their assignment to be there. Yes, yes. Definitely. Reporter can you explain again how police first learned about this here in marysville . We received a 911 call from somebody that was on campus, that was reporting the shots. Reporter a student . A teacher . I dont know that. Reporter what are parents being asked not to come directly to the school. What wouldou like parents and others to know at this time . We do ask parents to please stay away. Its an active situation. We need to make sure that its safe and secure. As soon as we learn where that unification spot is going to be i know that students are being bussed away. As soon as i learn where that reunification spot will be, ill let you know so we can get that out to the parents. Please, dont go to the campus. That really, really makes things difficult for our officers. Are you certain there was only one shooter involved . At this point we feel confident, but we have not cleared the entire building yet, so we are there is a possibility, but we dont believe so. Reporter why were students coming out with their hands up . At this point i dont have any information about whats going on at the well, mostly for security. We want to make sure they dont have any weapons on them when theyre coming out toward our officers. It is a safety situation. Reporter can you explain what the standard protocol is when you get a call like this and you respond to a school, what is the sort of one, two, three, fours well, the incident really dictates that. Its not really a black and white lynnial thing. Definitely when we get those kind of calls, all officers will respond to the active situation immediately. And so thats where we thats where we start. From there, whatever is taking place, will dictate what we do from there. Reporter we heard you had recently conducted a some sort of drill or s. W. A. T. Drill at pilchuck high school. Is that true . Its possible. I do not know if the s. W. A. T. Team has done that. Reporter did you have plans ahead of time so you know what the buildings are and so forth . Yes. Reporter can you describe that . We do have all of the School Building plans. They are up at the command post at this time. Im certain they are utilizing those and relaying that information on scene. Reporter for anybody just joining the live stream or king 5, can you explain what you know so far and whats going on at the campus right now . At this very moment, we have officers on scene that are clearing all of the buildings on campus to make sure that there is no longer an active threat. Reporter and the students, are there any students still holed up in the school or on campus, as far as you know . I dont know the status of all of the students. I know were in the process of evacuating them. Reporter after some other School Shootings it can sometimes take hours for parents to find out where their kids are, where to find their kids, the reunification process. For parents watching this now, what can you tell them about what they should do . How can they find out if their kids are okay . Well, right now were still in the were still in the process of getting all that information. So, were very early in the stages. We are trying to locate a reunification spot. We will get that information out as soon as we can and its really a holding pattern. Its unfortunate, but were trying to get that information out. Reporter should we just stay here and wait for the latest word from you . I think for right now, this would be a good location. We may change that later on. But at this point, this is a good spot. Reporter what is the latest [ inaudible ] six possibly injured . Right now we are confirming one person that is deceased and that that person is believed to be the shooter. And that we at this point do not believe there are any other shooters on campus. Reporter where is this person deceased . On the campus. I dont know what building. Reporter he has not been identified . No. Reporter do you know if anybody else was detained for any reason . I dont know that. Reporter have officers made contact with the deceased body or are they just getting this information . I dont know that. I have no information about what is actually taking place on scene. Folks, were going to take a break. Well be back at 1 30 with any updates or if we receive any additional pertinent information. Reporter what is your name and title . Ryouve been listening to a Police Conference in marysville, washington about a shooting at a high school. The shooter is dead. Lets lets bring in Jim Cavanaugh and Clint Van Zandt, former fbi profiler. Clint, once again were here to talk about a School Shooting. Whats going through your mind right now . Well, part of it is one statistic that im aware of says since the illfated shooting at sandy hook that broke americas heart in december 2012, its been less than two years and theres been almost 90 incidents on School Campuses across United States involving shootings. I heard a previous guest use the term, epidemic. I thought, gee, thats a little harsh. But, you know when you look at those statistics, its really not. And unfortunately we get a lot of copycats in School Shootings. And weve got weave a society sometimes that looks at violence, looks at firearms as a legitimate means of conflict resolution. And until we can change that mind set, a recent fbi statistic said that Mass Shootings are growing in number and it appears theres nothing thats going to deter that figure from getting any greater at this time. Jim, i was wondering if you would pick up on that point. Is it also based on your research it is true were seeing a rise on Mass Shootings and shootings at school in particular because it seems from the Public Perception thats the case . If that is the case, do you have any sense of why we may be seeing that increase . Krystal, were you asking me that question . Jim, yes, please. Yes. I think its a reflection of society as a whole that not like clint said, i agree with everything clint said. And you know, we have adults who cant cope with losing their job. They lose their job and then they go to their workplace and they want to kill the boss and all the people there. This is, you know, a society thats changed during our lifetimes. I think we need in our educational processes for all people to realize that life is a series of setbacks where you have to get up and get back in the game. Certainly, Mental Illness plays a role, theres suicide, a lot of factors. Im not trying to make it a simplified answer. But many people who strike out on revenge or because they were kicked off the debate class or the football whatever team they were on and they want to come back and kill that teacher or kill their boss at work. So i think as a society weve really got to look at teaching and training young people, you know, that you have to be able to deal with setbacks in life. You may fail a class. You may get fired. It doesnt mean you have to kill everyone. It doesnt mean the end of the world. The most successful people have all been knocked down many times. Set back many times. I call it the scars of leadership. Theres no leader that doesnt have a lot of them. The best leaders probably have the most of them. So, you have to get in there, get back up and get in the game. And i dont know how we do that. Maybe psychologists, educators can help us as a society. But thats got thats got to be a change we really need. Jim, i think thats absolutely right. Before we go on, lets listen to a little bit. A mother of one. Students talking. Lets listen to that. What has he told you so far . He says the school has been on lockdown and hes been hiding in a closet in a classroom with some classmates. Some students are being let out in small numbers to sit on buses to be transported nearby. Was the first word you got about what was happening from your son, who was texting you . Yes, yes. Thats how i heard. And what was your reaction as a mom getting that text . I was terrified and, you know, some panic started to set in. But i told my other half that we what was going on and we decided to come here just to make sure everything is okay with him. But as far as we know, hes okay and hes safe with his other classmates in the classroom now. Has he described whats going on inside the classroom . It sounds like hes safe with the other classmates. At that point when he was texting me he seemed to be very calm, which is unusual for what is going on. You would think that panic would set in, but hes got a good head on his shoulders and keeping himself safe. So whats your plan knowing some of these kids are able to leave. Your son is still in the classroom. What are you going to do . Were just waiting here where the police have told us to wait at the church nearby. Were just waiting for him to come out safely. Well, you seem very calm, which is good. Were trying to get more information for parents out there. If youre at the church, thats a good place to be. Were told that is where the students will be brought is it a couple blocks away from the school . Yes. Its about its a couple blocks away from the school. A lot of parents are already parked here, waiting for their student, their kid. It seems like everybodys calm at the moment. Theres a lot of Police Presence here. Can i ask you, has your son ever gone through drills, practicing for an event like this, lockdown drills or things like that . You know, there have been. A few years ago there was a robbery down the street and the school was on lockdown. I think for the most part they were prepared. Youve been listening to a parent speak to a local affiliate, a parent of the student at maerskville high school. Well bring in Anthony Roman, security expert who specializes in risk management. Good day to you. Lets get your reaction from what we learned about a relatively brief local police press conference. The police saying its still an active situation, telling parents and Community Members to stay away from this site of this high school in marysville where this shooting occurred. Police telling us they are confident, their words confident, they believe at this time it was one shooter. One shooter now confirmed deceased on the campus as they continue to go room by room to evacuate what is still a lockdown situation. How does that protocol sound to you and what is your reaction to the polices assessment at this point . Well, i think the police have had an incredible response given their resources. Its a reasonably small Police Department in the area. However, they had the foresight to have their officers crosstrained as special weapons and tactics members. So, each Police Officer is actually wonderfully prepared for just this type of scenario. It seems the school was prepared with the proper protocols, the lockdown. The search was done properly and is continuing. So i think everyone has done a marvelous job. With regard to everett hospital, it is a level 2 trauma center. So, beautifully equipped to handle shooting victims. Given theres a lot we dont know at this point. We dont know anything about the motives of the shooter. We dont know what kind of coordination or planning went into this shooting. We do know, according to police, it is one student shooter. Talk to us about how the police then assess whatever potential danger there might be here in what they describe as an active situation, given they seem to be operating on the theory that it was one student shooter. They do not seem to be concerned there was a larger threat ongoing. Well, thats a preliminary assessment on their part. And they have to consider that, perhaps, there may be other shooters. They may believe that. But they have to act as if its not so. Therefore, the entire complex needs to be sevenarched. The entire campus needs to be searched. They have a lot of work on their hands. This is an enormous multiacre campus with multiple buildings, administration buildings, classroom buildings, gymnasium, football field. Were talking about a very, very big search pattern. The investigation, likewise, will be complex. They have to search the student. Actually search the body for any evidence that he may have, any notes, any statements or declarations. Search his premises, determine where he secured the weapon from. Search his computer, his hard drive, his mobile phone and other devices. And put a profile together. We were just talking about this the other day on your show. The concern we have about the level of security that schools have. We were talking specifically about School Shootings and mall shootings. And its my belief that this needs to be revisited. Although the protocols were beautifully carried out, we now have to move toward prevention. Anthony, what do you mean by that more specifically, if were rethinking safety at places like schools, at other public buildings, government buildings, for example, and at malls, what does that actually look like on a daytoday basis . Well, it depends on the complex that were dealing with. But you take a situation like malls or, perhaps, schools, they have unarmed security guards present. The level of training that the security guards get varies from facility to facility. I think that needs to be standardized. Improved and a determination made as to the Access Points to the school and the points of egress, the level of security cameras, and to create a more rapid scenario for response. So we minimize the loss of life. Anthony, those are excellent, specific things we can do to manage risk in very specific enclosed areas. What would you like to see us do as a society to be better at preventing School Shootings and these sort of things . Well, this is a multilayered problem. Its a sociological and psychological problem. And i think jim did a beautiful job, your earlier guest, of discussing that. Real we need to have more money spent, more resources spent in schools on Mental Health. They are the first line. The teachers see the students who are troubled. Its no secret to administration, whos a trouble student and who isnt. Who are the loners. Whos isolated from normal social interaction. And rather than be reactive to those situations, we need more resources, psychologists, social workers and trained professionals to be proactive with regard to that. I want to bring back Clint Van Zandt. Clint, give us a sense in terms of what happens next in the investigation, in terms of figuring out who the shooter was. We know it was, in facting a shooter. What the motive might have been. Was the student working alone. What happens next in this process. You know, in so many of these shootings we find out other students may have been aware something was going to happen. Sometimes we call this psychological leakage where the shooter may text other sfunts and say, dont come to school today, theres going to be problems. Or even worse than that. So, Law Enforcement and the School District will be looking not notwithstanding who else may have been involved and not been involved but who else knew that communication has to take place. In essence, its the old, you are your brothers keeper. And i think that goes in schools, too. Students are so used to kind of this code of silence. And today with the upwards of 90 shootings that i earlier referred to since sandy hook, we need students, we need teachers, we need this communication going back and forth. And there is a lot of students, as Jim Cavanaugh point out, that are challenged and frustrated. But when that when that frustration starts to spill over into anger, rage and revenge, many times that is shared with other students. And we have to educate our students on how to pass that information on. And as your previous guest suggested, and, you know, many of us have been advocating for the past 10 or 15 years, we need to get more young psychologists working with students in grade school. Thats where conflict resolution skills are developed. Its by the time they are in high school and theyre bringing a gun and shooting, thats the criminal Justice System has to deal with the aftermath. But if we can deal with that before type of aspect, if we can identify these children who are challenged, who need these conflict resolution skills in the first, second, third grade, and help them find other means of expressing themselves, i dont want to sound like freud here, but we have to find ways for children to say, im mad, as opposed to act it out at the tip of a gun. Clint, were going back to the local seattle affiliate, king 5, talking to a student. Listen in. It was just a normal day in the lunchroom. Jalen or i mean the guy bryce, bryce, let me just be im going to tell you right now, please, please dont say any names at this point. Yeah. We just i know youre aware of that. So, continue with your story. Yeah. He the shooter stand up and started shooting. And my friend was at the table, because he was unaware, he was in shock. He looked over and it looked like the shooter was reloading his weapon. At that point a friend ran out of the lunchroom and didnt see anything from that point on. Without saying the name of the shooter, bryce, can you tell us what year is he . Hes a freshman. Hes a freshman. And your friend who relaid the story to you, who was in the cafeteria when this happened and witnessed the shooting, where is that friend now . He is i dont know, somewhere in this crowd. Okay. So, he was able to get out and hes now safe and at the church as well . What was that . Hes now and safe and at the church with you now . Yes, i actually see him right now. Okay. So, bryce, this is a really sensitive situation. We had heard reports earlier that it was one student who got into it with another student. Not someone simply opening fire. Do you know, on good authority, exactly what unfolded then . Was it a dispute between two students . Not that im aware of. I just heard there was no arguing or anything. He just got up and started shooting. And you described him as someone who is popular. Were you surprised that this person would pull out a gun and do this. What else can you tell us about this person . You know, hes honestly, not much else i can tell you. He for the most part was a really happy kid. Never really, you know, got into too many disputes. He had an incident the other day when a kid at a kid, you know, was being somewhat racist and he stood up and punched him. But other than that, im not aware of any other physical or anger, like, problems with him. Well, we appreciate your input on this and we appreciate your firsthand account of what happened. Were glad youre safe. We want to be able to keep in touch with you, so if you can keep in touch with us, let us know of any new developments there. Bryce, we appreciate it. Bryce, thank you very much. Youve len listening to breaking coverage of a School Shooting in seattle from our nbc affiliate king 5. We know a nearby hospital is expecting at least one patient. There are reports another hospital is expecting multiple patients. For more on how that process works in a situation like this, lets bring in dr. Redliner. Doctor, highway well prepared are hospitals for a situation like this . Well, the fact of the matter is that hospitals are pretty well prepared for this kind of trauma as long as its not a mass situation where theres where the emergency room and the facilities are overrun with patients. But i think handling one or two situations like this are feasible in most community settings. Obviously, there could be injuries to an extent they would have to be transferred to a much larger medical center, but stabilizing the patient and doing what the basic needs are is feasible in that community, of course. Doctor, i know you testified before the Senate Following the horrific shootings we saw in virginia tech. Right. About school safety. Talk to us about what you told the senate at that time. Well, this is a very complicated situation with many aspects that need to be investigated, including how we set up response systems and so forth. One of the things i should note is that, you know, the previous figure of 90 shootings since sandy hook, which is an astounding number. It is kind of an ep democrat sxik were talking about it during an ebola situation. Its kind of like an eerie sense of connection between that and this in a way. As far as the shootings are concerned, heres one instance where a disaster or series of disasters in terms of these Mass Shootings in school has actually resulted in a lesson we learned and then have applied. The procedures, the lockdown, the movement of kids, the behavior of School Officials and students after an event like this, weve gotten pretty good at it. Where weve not made much progress is in the underlying issues, prevention the speaker was talking to. Its this deadly combination of factors now. Some are inherent factors in these young people themselves. You know, are there even if theres no overt signs, theres obviously something going on in the psyche and in the Mental Health of the person like this doctor, hold on for a moment. We have another student speaking to king 5. I saw three kids just fall from the table, like they were falling to the ground dead. I jumped under the table as fast as i could. When it stopdz, i looked back up and i saw he was trying to reload his gun. And when that happened, i just ran the opposite direction and i was out of there as fast as i could. I have to be honest with you, just listening to your description, im just getting choked up. You sound incredibly calm, considering what you just witnessed. The way i handle things, i guess. I dont know. Ive never been able to explain it, i guess. Its just the way i am. Im sorry. I dont mean to be not trying to be rude. No, austin, youre not at all. Do you have any knowledge of weapons . Do you have any idea what gun it was . It was a very small pistol. It didnt look like an american pistol. It looked like a some type of very cheap weapon. And i know because it didnt look like he was trying to reload it. It looked like his gun had jammed. Looked like his gun had jammed and thats when he started messing with it and i ran out. So i think his gun jammed, he got it back to working and popped off a couple more shots after that. Did he say anything, austin . Did he no. He had a blank stare. He was just face calm during the whole thing. And he was perfectly fine the day before. I remember talking to him. He seemed like the normal old, you know, kid that we all knew. And everyone knew him. Everyone knew him as that kid and he was allegways very nice. No sign of i mean, he was always a little bit of a child and got into fights, but he was always a very nice kid. Austin, these three students who apparently were shot, they were sitting at the same table with the shooter . Were they friends . They were all sitting at a round table. Would you consider them friends . Did you know these other three students . I couldnt see who they were. They were all facing the opposite direction of me. And i wasnt paying attention to their faces. I was just paying attention on trying to get myself to safety. Sure, sure. And, again, you just saw the shooter with a blank stare. No words were exchanged. He was just staring down every one of his victims as he as he shot them. Did you witness anything else after the shooting, as you were probably down underneath your table . Just running away from the cafeteria, security guards, the security that was available, running toward the cafeteria. And i ran to i was just running in the opposite direction. And a teacher opened the door and said, run inside. Come in here, come in here. And i sprinted as fast as i could inside. So, you dont know the three students who were apparently shot. You dont know who those people are. No. I think they were in the same grade. In the same grade. Bryce told us earlier that the shooter was a freshman. Is that what you understand . Yes, he was. Yeah, he was a freshman. Hes on the Football Team. Okay. So, thats all i know. So, austin, man, our hear hearts yeah. Our hearts go out to you, man. Appreciate it. We know chaplain is being called to the scene to talk to students. We just want to make sure, austin, youre in a position youre probably in shock right now but we want to make sure you get the help you need considering what you witnessed. We appreciate what youve been able to tell us. We just again, we want you to reach out and make sure youre okay and that you weve been listening to a student at marysvillepilchuck high talk about the School Shooting that he witnessed. A shooting that he says happened from a freshman, who was on the Football Team. Who he said was nice and doesnt seem to fit any of the profile of the School Shooters weve talked about so many times on this show. We have Clint Van Zandt and Anthony Roman with us hold on. Were going back to king 5. We have another student talking about the School Shooting today. I didnt really know too much about what happened. I just looked up from where i was sitting, eating my lunch and i saw the shooter pull a gun out and i dont know how many shots. I think it was like five or six shots he let out. And i just dropped my skateboard and started running home as quick as i could. Did you understand what was unfolding right in front of you . Did you know what was happening . Yeah. I saw that he had a little gun in his hand and i saw the flash from the muzzle of the gun. So, i was pretty aware of what happened. I just really needed to get off campus. It gave me really bad anxiety. You understand. Understandably you were anxious about this. So, you ran. Did you see who was shot, which students . I saw, like, a couple people who were shot. I dont as you said, im not supposed to mention any names or anything. What do you know about the shooter . Not mentioning any names, but do you know this person . Yeah, i knew him because the other day i was just, you know, skipping class with him and we were talking about regular things. He seemed like he was really happy about everything. Seems like a popular kid. I dont know. He didnt he didnt seem like he had any sort of disputes with anyone or he was unhappy in any way. You didnt see him or hear him say anything, have a conversation, any kind of dispute in the cafeteria at the time . No, no. I just looked up and saw him standing there and saw him shooting. Was he did he have a backpack . Did he have any sort of did he look out of the ordinary in terms of what he normally shows up to School Wearing . No. He looks like he always does. Allen, sometimes in situations like this, there are sort of, you know, people have rearview vision of events like this. And when they start to reflect on people who do things like this, sometimes they think, wow, yeah, that kid kind of was angry or he did have a chip on his shoulder or maybe he was picked on. Is there anything to this story that makes you think, wow, maybe there was more going on than we knew . Well, yeah, he was an angry kid. Its understandable because, like, i heard a couple weeks ago someone was saying like racist things to him and he got ain a fight with a person. Like, you know, i can understand if he was angry about that. But other than that, i never knew him, like, being bullied or anything. He really seemed like was a popular kid. He was on the Football Team, from what i understand. But he got into it with another kid who made a racist comments . Yeah. Boy, thats something. I mean, thats thats not an insignificant incident, is it . Huhuh. Allen, at the time this happened, it was about 10 40. Sounds like the cafeteria was packed. Is that a typical first lunch for you guys . Yeah, its always empty, a bunch of kids in the cafeteria. So, it was during the lunch hour . Yeah. For you guys . Okay. So, it was packed. And you ran out of there. What was the scene describe it to me as you were running out. What were the other kids doing . Was it so chaotic it was very chaotic. I didnt take time to look around or anything. But i ran and i started running. I saw someone in their car and i told them to stop. I told them not to go any closer to the campus, there was a School Shooting. And told them to drive the other way. And then i just saw a bunch of other kids running the same way i was. A lot of them were crying and freaking out. It was really chaotic. Have you had a chance to talk to your parents yet, let them know youre okay . Yeah, im at home with my mom. As i mentioned to austin earlier, you know, we recommend you get make sure you talk to your parents. Make sure you take advantage of any counselors that are going to be available. What you witnessed today is extremely traumatic. And you may not realize that now, but we appreciate you being able to describe what happened inside weve been listening to a student at marysvillepilchuck high talk about the School Shooting he lived through this morning. We have Anthony Roman with us. Anthony, the profile that these students, the last three students weve been listening to, have described have used to describe this student who open fire on a school and is now dead s far different from the profile we normally get in these situations. Quite often were talking about someone who is a loner, angry, someone who is seemingly cut out of the society of the school and wants to get revenge on some folks or the entire society. This student is described as nice, having friends, being popular. Hes on the Football Team. Hes standing up for others in the community in this seemingly incident where this racist comment is made. And no sort of trigger is currently known by the students who interacted with him in the days before the shooting. But he seems to have gone to an entirely different place and pulled out this gun and de this at this school. What does this tell you . How does this interface with your experience . Well, some students, some teenagers and actually some young adults are quite effective at masking their true feelings. They can seem jovial, happy, popular on the outside, while theyre deeply suffering on the inside. And this is why its so important to reiterate the point that school Mental Health officials really need to have their a budget kicked up a bit and a bit morrow bust Mental Health Service Available in the high schools, middle schools, and even elementary schools, as your earlier guest mentioned. Indeed. I want to bring Clint Van Zandt, former fbi profiler, back in and just to reset for our audience. We are following events out of marysville, washington, at marysvillepilchuck high school where witnesses students are saying a fellow student, a freshman, open fire in the lunchroom. We dont know how many folks were wounded, were hit. Police did say the suspected shooter is deceased and that they are confident there was only one shooter. Clint, i was wondering if you could could pick up on that point from anthony. This profile is a bit different from the loner we typically hear about in these sort of School Shooting situations. What do you make of those descriptions . Well, the single shooter is not necessarily unique. We spoke earlier about a recent study. The fbi looked at Mass Shootings over the last 14 years. And in those 160 Mass Shootings in the United States, all but two were single individuals. Again, it just suggests someone acting out alone, by themselves. I think weve learned, unfortunately, because of these so many incidents that there is not necessarily a profile that we look at. Here were told today, this is a freshman who was relatively popular, who plays sports, and still it appears there was some type of an affront that took place recently. He came to school today armed, carrying a handgun. The question is, did he target these three people that he allegedly shot or were these just random victims of opportunity . And another point in this study clint, we want to go back to our local affiliate coverage at king 5. The three most critically ill were kept here. All three are young people who are in very Critical Condition. Theyre all being worked up to and taken to the operating rooms. One is still being worked up. One patit did go to harbor view, our Emergency Department chief doctor triaged the patients in the parking lot here, felt that that patient had wounds that were less severe and could be handled in harborview. We have were ready to handle these cases. We are a level 2 trauma center. Weve been drilling for this. We had a very good response from our medical staff, about 25 doctors showed up. We had two neurosurgeons on the scene. We had two heart surgeons. We have a vascular surgeon, a chest surgeon and multiple trauma surgeons as well as our e. D. Doctors. Four trauma rooms were used. So, she said one thing that was very important there. And that is that at this in this emergency room lot right across the street here, the doctor came out and triaged all these victims as they came in. So, doctors were literally out in the parking lot here, meeting these aid cars and trying to assess the injuries to each of these young people. One of them was sent to harborview, as you heard dr. Robert say there. The other three are in Critical Condition at Providence Medical Center. We probably wont hear much more about this, at least this is what the hospital is telling me, until those three people are out of surgery and nobodys hazarding a guess as to how long those surgeries could take. Im chris engels erroring live at Providence Medical Center in everett. Chris, thank you very much. King 5 three people in very Critical Condition. Our local affiliate. We were hearing from the chief medical officer of the local hospital. The i want to bring back in dr. Erwin redlinner. What do you make of what you heard in terms of the local response at the hospital . Seems like they were ready to take in these patients. This is what i was referring to before. Weve gotten pretty good at this immediate response. Its very impressive whats happening there in hospitals you might not expect to be able to deliver this kind of sophisticated care to highly traumatized students. And so, it sounds like theyre really in a good place and all that is fine. But i just wanted to go back and finish what i was saying before. This School Shooting all too common, all too tragic, its a combination almost always of something going on with the student himself generally. We see rarely women. But whether this is overt or covert, i completely agree, we have a complete lack of sufficient Mental Health services. We dont know how to screen children properly, even children with much more overt signs than this kid obviously had. We dont have enough services to do that. The second factor is ready access to guns, which is a reality in this country. Thats what were dealing with at times. Im not saying guns are to blame but just the second factor that yields these violent School Shootings. Sometimes these things get reinforced on websites, on social media. Where somebody whos feeling disenfranchised, disconnected can find affinity with other people reinforcing whatever the motivations are that will lead to an actual shooting here. This is the triad, disturbance in the child himself, access to guns and reinforcement by social media. Its a deadly combination and something we have to Pay Attention to. It will be interesting to see what investigators find on this kids computer or his cell phones or whatever. Well get insight when that gets uncovered. Doctor, weaver heard from a few students who say they knew the shooter and there were really no signs that he was capable of doing Something Like this. He was well liked. He was on the Football Team. We just had tony roman talk about Mental Health and how that continues to be a challenge at the high school level. What more can we be doing in schools to make sure that this doesnt continue to happen . Do we need to take a more proactive role in terms of Mental Health . Well, the reality is for children who are and youth who are not overtly showing signs of Mental Illness, you know, like the columbine kids were, you know, into this whole goth deal, very disenfranchised. People were aware they were outliers. You dont get the clues. I dont know what kind of scrutiny you would do for this particular kid. As i say, well find out more when his computer theres a more thorough investigation of the people who know the child, speaking to his parents, knowing more about his history, seeing what kind of social websites he was into, social sites and web pages and so forth. Well know more soon. But in terms of your specific question, this is a very, very tough thing to prevent in a kid like this. In a society where guns are so available. Doctor, we can report now that the student died of a selfinflicted gunshot wound. I want to expand our lens to the other students who are touched by this. This is one of the largest schools, high schools, in washington with over 2,500 students. Those other students are living through this and will carry this for quite a while. And we see students running out. Weve seen them walking out with their hands up. Weve heard them talk about this in ways that are bizarrely calm. The broadcaster saying, you seem so calm. The adults know you cant actually be this calm. Can you talk about the students having to live and deal with the trauma of experiencing this sort of incident. Of course. This is not just the students. Its the teachers. Its the entire school and the community. And this is undoubtedly going to have some very longlasting consequences for the students. Especially the ones that witnessed the shooting. Even ones that were in other classrooms, that were in lockdown and so forth. This is something horribly traumatic, horribly unexpected in your environment. So it krooegcreates vulnerabili creates feelings of guilt sometimes. So you have kids who are running away thinking, why didnt i try to do something . Even though it would have really not been okay for them to try to do something. Theyre going to be absorbing a lot of emotions that theyre not going to begin to think about right now. But over time, we expect there will be a lot of children with a lot of psychological trauma from this. I think the thing to do here is to preempt some of that, as much as possible, by speaking with the families, making sure this Mental Health counseling available, to try to preempt and prevent some of the longer term consequences which are undoubtedly hold on. Were going back to king 5. Theyre talking to another eyewitness. All of a sudden i see him stand up, pull something out of his pocket and at first i thought it was just someone making a really loud noise with like a bag, like a big, loud pop, until i heard four more after that. And i saw three kids just fall from the table. Like they were falling to the ground dead. I jumped under the table as fast as i could. And when it stopped, i looked back up and i saw he was trying to reload his gun. And when that happened, i just ran in the opposite direction and i was out of there as fast as i could. You know, have i to be honest with you, just listening to your description, im just getting choked up. You sound incredibly calm considering what you just witnessed. I its the way i handle things, i guess. I dont know. Ive never been able to explain it, i guess. Its just the way i am. Im sorry. I dont mean to be no. Im not trying to be rude. Austin, youre not at all. Weve been listening to coverage from our local affiliate, king 5, an eyewitness there talking about what he saw in the School Lunchroom at marysvillepilchuck high school where a fellow student stood up, open fire. That particular eyewitness seeing three students fall to the ground. I want to bring back in Clint Van Zandt. Clint, one thing that we notice with these School Shootings, is they dont typically happen in urban environments. They typically happen in the suburbs. Why is that the case . Well, i think thats one of the things were trying to understands now. We know guns are available throughout the United States. There are at least 90 guns in the United States for every 100 people, so its not that someone cant get ahold of guns. We also know that in the last 14 years lets take the last 14 years, for example. The first seven of those years, we averaged about six Mass Shootings a year. Weve now were now averaging in the last seven years, 16 Mass Shootings. So, this is coming more and more prevalent. There is more people, either as Jim Cavanaugh and your other guest suggests, that were either acting out in the workplace, or as i told you earlier, the number of School Shootings are increased. Weve had 90 shootings almost since sandy hook. So, this is someone called it an epidemic. I think its getting to that when we see so many children bringing guns to school to resolve a some type of conflict. It used to be wed pout or tell our parents we dont want to go to school. Or may be used go out behind the gym and have a fight. Now as we heard today, someone brings in a gun and starts shooting. If we cant learn as a nation to handle this, were were losing some of our brightest and our best to their own hands. I want to bring Anthony Roman back want to bring Anthony Romans back in. At this marysvillepilchuck high school, there was one shooter who is deceased from a self inflict inflicted gunshot. We have heard from witnesses. They said he was not angry or lonely. He was on the Football Team. Talk about how that plays into figuring out how we go from here and how tuesday technology play into this and his computer and maybe things on his cell phone . Theyll do the standard investigation, both forensically and examining and interviewing his friends, acquaintances, looking at phone records, mobile records, that kind of thing. But to your other point that he was a happy student, i had an opportunity as a teenager in high school to participate in a wonderful federal program called the peer Group Leadership program. In which a few students were taken and trained at the local and new york City Hospitals in Mental Health procedures, identifying students who may have problems and actually, approaching these students and holding conversation or what we used to call rap groups in the 70s to talk about their problems a little bit. Through that process we were able to identify students who looked very happy, who looked very well adjusted, who had very Serious Problems of insecurity, depression, affect syndrome and we were able to actually make referrals to some of the Mental Health care facilities in the community so they could receive outreach and outpatient care. And its these type of programs in Mental Health initiatives that i think would do very well now, given the increase in the number of School Shootings. We do want to update our viewers. We are awaiting a Police Briefing in ten minutes. Were following events on the ground in marysville, washington. I want to go back to dr. Irwin renlenner you know, a student like this, a student who is described as popular by nonmentalhealth professionals well adjusted. Even with a student like that can you spot warning signs . I agree there are all kinds of intervention programs that can be successful and life changing for kids in a situation who have a potential for violence or serious mental disorders. But there have been cutbacks in resources available. And thousand cutbacks at the local level . Every level. We dont have any regular medical clinics in a large number of schools in the United States. The number of clinics has been diminishing over time. We are treating it like a luxury but it should be a necessity in our schools. The challenge is not so much the kids who are overtly showing signs and symptoms of depression, anger, disconnection from the social circles of the school but the kids who apparently look fine, like this tragic story of this kid who is not showing anything that students recognize. Are there other ways to appreciate the fact that somethings going on under the surface. What are some of the other ways . If they have no signs of showing theyre angry or frustrated or isolated from society. He was part of the team and participating. In some kids you are just not going to tell very well by any of the screening issues or observations we would think about. However, there may be proactive ideas where, you know, the kind of groups he was talking at in the 70s where you bring kids together generally and give them an opportunity to talk with one another and sometimes in conversations, that are felt to be a safe place to talk, youll start getting some of the signs that are not apparent in the daytoday observations of a kid but its you is to do that proactively and its very resourcedemanding and we cant have that in every school at the moment and its really unfortunate. But there are these issues with kids that are not necessarily easily discernible by just observations by other students or teachers. Young people, teenagers experience extreme highs and lows, some are socially influenced and some are chemical, just the process of growing up. Someone has to be extraordinarily distraught and at the low end of the up and down to kill themselves, as this shooter did. And try to take others with them. Look, its a very, very unusual situation. And yes, weve talked about the 90 School Shootings since sandy hook. But this is a huge country and the perspective here is that this is still a very rare occurrence. We should be preventing all of them. These are unspeakable tragedies. But the fact of the matter is we cant prevent all of them in our society and we need to do better and better with reducing them. Its like the issue with child abuse. We have 3 million reports a year. This was happening 40 years ago and i think we can prevent and some we cant. Many countries have prevented this. The School Shootings . Of course they have. Its difficult to get a gun in the uk. Lets go back to the try yard, the disturbance with the child and issues the child is dealing with, the ready availability, incredibly crazy availability of weapons in america thats not resembling realities in every other country. The amount of weapons in this country is just astounding. And third thing is that access to certain websites and certain kinds of social Media Connections will reinforce the feelings of disconnection and acting out like this child did. But, look, we cant ignore the fact that its so easy to get a gun in america. Right. Anthony as they now try to figure out what the motive was for the shooter, how helpful is it to talk to students who were not only in the lunchroom when this happened but also know the shooter well, maybe family members. Is it helpful to talk to people who might understand his personality and what might be behind this . I think we need to speak to all of the students that he knows. We need to speak to the teachers. We need to speak to his coaches, parents, friends and enemies. We need to secure an entire profile of this child to try and determine what the motive was. If there is no critical motive that is selfevident, none present in his computers, then we really have a dilemma on our hands. And i think that it can be backdoored through a backdoor investigation, sort of speak, and a profile put together successfully. Thank you, anthony our other guests who joined us for this hour for yet another School Shooting. I cant even count how many School Shootings we have done in the two and a half years weve been doing this show. This one at marysvillepilchuck high near seattle. A freshman who was apparently popular and on the Football Team who brought a small gun into the school and tried to shoot several people. We dont know how many people are injured just now. Im ari melver. The Marysville Police are reporting that one person is dead and that person is the shooter who was a student at the school. Right now we are confirming one person that is deceased and that that person is believed to be the shooter and that we at this point dont believe there are other shooters on the campus. The police are not saying if any others had been injured but a local hospital says three patients were there in very Critical Condition. Nbc news has not confirmed this but the Seattle Times recording that as many as five people may have been shot. Police say they are gathering details about how it started and the motive remains unknown. I have no information about where it started. Im still trying to gather the information. How did the shooter die . I do not know. Do you have any information about the motive . None at the point. Students at the school have been evacuated and the School Remains on lockdown. One student describing what he saw to nbc affiliate in seattle, king. I thought someone was making a noise with a bag until i heard four more after that. And i saw three kids just fall from the table like they were falling to the ground dead. I jumped under the table as fast as i could. And when it stopped i looked back up and i saw he was trying to reload his gun and when that