Tonight saying the president seems scared. Inside and indeed the president darker in tone and demeanor warned a surge is coming. He said the next two weeks will be very tough. He called the coronavirus a plague. He went on to assign blame, however, give voice to his own victimization, and attempted to change recent history. For starters, he said, for whatever reason, new york got off to a late start, then added about new york and with a straight face youve seen what happens when you get off to a late start. About ventilators, he said his team has done a great job. He said some people frankly think they need them, and they dont need them. He relitigated his impeachment at todays Coronavirus Briefing, called it a hoax a couple more times, complained about comey and mccabe again. He indicated if he downplayed the virus early on, its because he wants to give people hope. Quote, i knew it could be horrible, and i knew it could be maybe good. Nobody knew it was so contagious. And about the rolling crisis that new york is living with, he said, new york has a lot of ventilators. He said with some people, no matter what you do, its never enough. And about new yorks governor andrew cuomo, he said, quote, i got him a lot of things. He hit pay dirt. An estimated 80 of us are living under some form of stayathome order. Still not the state of florida. The major news out of todays briefing in the west wing was that were looking at the potential for close to a quarter of a million deaths. Here is what dr. Birx says the latest data is showing her. Through their detailed studies and showing us what social distancing would do, what people what would happen if people stayed home, what would happen if people were careful every day to wash their hands and worry about touching their fa faces, that what an extraordinary thing this could be if every american followed these. And it takes us to that stippled mountain thats much lower, a hill actually, down to 100,000 to 200,000 deaths. Theres no magic bullet. Theres no magic vaccine or therapy. Its just behaviors. Each of our behaviors translating into something that changes the course. Indeed tonight we are north of 186,000 cases with nearly 4,000 lives now lost. The death toll now exceeds that of china. Dr. Birx did note that she and dr. Fauci have started to see some positive effects of social distancing. They also said that those numbers were based on data from the hardest hit locations and they hope to reduce the number of deaths. Even so, dr. Fauci was brutally honest when asked about the implications of their projections. Deaths always lag. So you will be seeing deaths at a time when, as an epidemic, were doing really, really well because the deaths will lag. Dr. Fauci, should americans be prepared for the likelihood that there will be 100,000 americans who die from this virus . The answer is yes. We need as sober a number as that is, we should be prepared for it. Is it going to be that much . I hope not, and i think the more we push on the mitigation, the less likelihood it would be that number. But as being realistic, we need to prepare ourselves that that is a possibility that thats what we will see. A very short period of time for that to happen. Can the country handle that within such a short period of time, withiple of months, 50,000 a month . You know, it will be difficult. No one is denying the fact that we are going through a very, very difficult time right now. I mean were seeing whats happening in new york. That is really, really tough. If you extrapolate that to the nation, that will be really tough, but thats what it is. Now, for his part and this gets to the tone and demeanor change, trump warned that the next two weeks would be tough, but he then veered off into other topics, including what sounded like a bit of revisionist history. I mean ive had many friends, business people, people with great actually common sense. They said a lot of people have thought about it. Write it out. Dont do anything. Just ride it out and think of it as the flu. But its not the flu. Its vicious. For whatever reason, new york got off to a very late start and you see what happens when you get off to a late start. New jersey got off to and i think both governors are doing an excellent job, but they got off to a very late start. I want to give people in this country hope. I think its very important. Did you know it was going to be this severe when you were saying this was under control i knew it could be. I knew everything. I knew it could be horrible and i knew it could be maybe good. As a nation, we face a difficult few weeks as we approach that really important day when were going to see things get better all of a sudden. And its going to be like a burst of light, i really think and i hope. Just one point for the record here. New jerseys first Task Force Meeting on the coronavirus happened to be on super bowl sunday this past winter. Now, you may recall this president has publicly downplayed the pandemic a number of times earlier this year. Its one person coming in from china, and we have it under control. Its going to be just fine. Were finding very little problem, very little problem. Now, you treat this like a flu. When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero. Its going to disappear. One day its like a miracle, it will disappear. As we mentioned this afternoon at the white house, he also managed to work in his impeachment and the russia investigation. I mean i got impeached. I think, you know, i certainly devoted a little time to thinking about it, right . But think of it. It was a hoax. It was a total hoax. Did it divert my attention . I think im getting apluses for the way i handled myself during a phony impeachment, okay . It was a hoax, and it was a phony deal, and it turned out. All you have to do is look today at the fbi reports. Take a look at what the fbi did. Take a look at the people. Take a look at comeys report, 78 pages of total kill. Take a look at that. Take a look at the report on mccabe. Just read it, and youll see how horrible it was. Once again, remember, please, this was a Coronavirus Briefing where he then addressed the issue of shortages of critical medical equipment like ventilators. Were giving massive amounts of medical equipment and supplies to the 50 states. We also are holding back quite a bit. We have almost 10,000 ventilators that we have ready to go. We have to hold them back because the surge is coming, and its coming pretty strong. And were holding them because were going to need them over the next couple of weeks as this surge goes on. You see the chart. We havent hit the top yet, and we have to be able to move them immediately. And we cant take them because its going to be very hard to do that we cant take them to places that arent needing them. Plus we have requests for ventilators in hospitals and in states and cities that dont need them in our opinion. They dont need them. They wont need them at the top. So were holding it back for flexibility. We actually just took 600, and we sent them to different locations today. But we have close to 10,000, and well be able to get them and were all set to march. We have the National Guards and we have fema, and were all set to move them to the places. Is there a ventilator shortage right now . In some areas we might, but weve done a great job with ventilators, and were having them made. Unbelievable, we have now 11 Companies Making ventilators. Now theyll be starting to arrive in the next week. And of course all this while, out in america, governors across our country say they are still not getting the medical equipment they need from our federal government. An exasperated Governor Cuomo today took aim at the hurdles that states have to navigate just to get ventilators. So you have 50 states competing to buy the same item. We all wind up bidding up each other and competing against each other. Its like being on ebay with 50 other states bidding on a ventilator. I mean how inefficient, and then fema gets involved, and fema starts bidding. And now fema is bidding on top of the 50. So fema is driving up the price. What sense does this make . When reporters raised it, this all seemed to be news to the president. He had this response to Governor Cuomos concerns today. The problem is with some people, no matter what you give, its never enough. Look, i got him ships. I got him hospitals. I got him a lot of things that he never thought he hit pay dirt, okay . And ive been very generous on ventilators. On that note, joining us for our leadoff discussion on a tuesday night, philip rucker, White House Bureau chief for the washington post, also coauthor along with his post colleague Carol Leonnig of the bestselling book a very stable genius. Kim atkins, senior washington correspondent for wbur, bostons npr news station. And dr. Anne rimoin of the Geffen School of medicine. She also runs the ucla center for global and immigrant health, where she specializes in emerging infectious diseases. Kimberly, id like to begin with you. I counted, oh, about a half a dozen times the president stepped up because where the conversation was going, he needed credit, credit that he shut down travel from china not entirely true that he closed the borders not true that he shut down travel from europe. Again, not true. The somber tone he showed at the start of the briefing was erased by lines like cuomo hit pay dirt and a line i still dont understand about either the coronavirus or the coverage or the equipment, they just cant get enough of it. Talk about the performance you witnessed along with us today. Yes. I mean thats just the tip of the iceberg in both the inaccuracies and the deflection that the president displayed today. The time line was wrong in terms of when the coronavirus became known to be in the United States and the actions of the federal government. But i found it very striking that these not so much that the president would make statements like this because we have seen him do this for weeks, but that he would do so on the day that his experts, dr. Fauci in particular, really gave a new and very dire prediction about where we are going. I, in my long career as a journalist, cannot remember sitting and listening to an official say that the nation needs to brace for hundreds of thousands of deaths and that that is the bestcase scenario. It was such a somber and striking thing to hear and then to have the president , as you said, started out with a somber tone but to then go back to his regular comfortable places of railing against the past impeachment hearings and against democrats who are out to get him at a time where that must have been a really striking thing for americans to hear, for americans to try to wrap their heads around, particularly at a time where people are already losing people across the country to the coronavirus. Friends friends of mine are already victims of this. So it was just a striking time for that tone to be taken by the president. Phil rucker, indeed this is a guy who just days ago was talking about a kind of reopening date of easter sunday, talking about what a beautiful date it was and how beautiful it would be if churches were packed all across the country. Today a reconfiguring of his view of this ending. It will end like a burst of light when everything gets better all of the sudden. You touch on this dynamic in your book. Do you want to be the last guy to talk to him because your arguments going to carry the day . Certainly, brian. But it seems that people were talking to him for months now, and he hasnt gotten the message until now. Remember, its only been two weeks since President Trump really took seriously the crisis on his hands, on our hands as americans, the beginning of that 15day guidelines. And he was talking all the way up until the end of last week about reopening the economy, sending people back to work to their offices, opening restaurants again by easter, which is april 12th, less than two weeks from now. Today was a very different picture, a grim picture painted by the president. He talked in almost apocalyptic tones about what could have happened, what the worstcase scenario for america would be, 2. 2 million deaths, were we not to do social distancing, were we not to shut down the schools. But of course weve done that, and the bestcase scenario now is 100,000 to 240,000 lives lost. And one other thing thats worth noting from that press Conference Performance today, there were moments when the president seemed like he was talking to himself, when he said, no, this isnt like the flu. Its much more vicious. Well, its the president who last week and many, many times earlier this year likened this to the flu and said more people died from the seasonal flu than the coronavirus. More people die in car crashes than from the coronavirus. But clearly hes taken in what the scientists are telling him, and he had a different thing to say today. Anne rimoin, so here we are on a tuesday night preparing members of our audience for the figure we saw on the screen today at the briefing. That is 240,000 deaths at the highend range of this estimate. And i ask you again, do we have any idea how many cases of this we have in our country right now . Right now we have no idea where we sit on this curve because of the failure to get testing out widespread to the vast majority of the country. Testing is still difficult for people who are sick to get. They have to still meet criteria, and people are also not going to the e. R. If they feel sick. So access is also going to dictate how many tests we actually are rolling out right now. Weve been thinking about how many people are out there, how many people might be sick. We just dont know. And even when we get testing up and running, its only going to tell us whats happened about 10 to 14 days before. Remember dr. Fauci says this over and over again. The testing tells us where we were two weeks ago. But i think there were some other important things that we had to that we heard today in this press briefing. Dr. Birx said im going to paraphrase right here that basically this number, this 100,000 to 240,000 deaths is based on people doing what theyre supposed to do, social distancing, making sure that they stay at home, employing all of the methods that we know, and also predicated on the assumption and these models are all based on assumptions, things we think are going to happen that all states are going to come to their senses and shut down activity and put people in a stayathome position. And thats not happened yet. I saw chris murray, who came up with these models, on tv just a little while ago, actually on msnbc. And he laid out the case very clearly. He said, listen, every day matters, and everything everybody does matters. And the sooner that states take this seriously and they shut down movement in populations and employ social distancing and get really serious about this, we will be able to cut these numbers. But if we dont, those numbers have a chance of going further up and up. You know, the rise is exponential, and we are at a point where we will where we can make a difference. And if we dont take action now, we could be seeing numbers that are much worse than what we heard today. Hey, kim, the president seemed like this was news to him that states were competitively bidding against each other like ebay. He also quickly indicated the states in effect should be happy theyre getting what they need. How do you think the republican governor of the bay state of massachusetts would feel about that . Yeah, it was 11 days ago that he said charlie baker, the governor of massachusetts, said that he told the president this very thing on the phone. So clearly this is not news for the president. Just think about that. Its been more than two almost two weeks now that governors have been bidding against each other. Its a crucial problem. Phil rucker, the states were not slow to respond according to andrew cuomo of new york tonight. The states were not slow to respond. The federal government was absent. It did appear, phil, like the president is trying to make this the new narrative that the states, some of them, especially new york and new jersey, were slow. Well, weve seen this for the last several weeks, brian, where the president s trying to in effect rewrite history, to make people forget the way he handled this threat as it first emerged and focus on what hes been doing in just the last few days. But Governor Cuomo has been reacting as he can as a governor, but hes not the president of the United States. Hes not the person getting information and data and science from around the world, seeing these trends emerging and making decisions about the country and what all americans should be doing. And so cuomo has clearly been taking a leadership role the last few weeks in new york as these harrowing deaths are taking place there, and its actually gotten under the president s skin, the attention that cuomo has received, his very high approval rating, and it might be one explanation for why the president took a swipe at him in the News Conference tonight. Thanks, gang, for inviting us and by extension all our viewers into your homes. Philip rucker, kimberly atkins, anne rimoin, we appreciate it as always. Coming up for us, on this tuesday evening, our interview with the former Vice President and current democratic frontrunner for president , joe biden. Well talk about trump and bernie and potential Vice President ial picks. And later, a u. S. Navy captain sounds the alarm. Beneath five acres of flight deck, hes got dozens of sick among his crew of 5,000 as the 11th hour is just getting under way on this tuesday night. 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Of the american economy, has become a workfromhome operation. Earlier this afternoon, i spoke with joe biden from his home in wilmington, delaware. Questions on coronavirus first. Who would you appoint to run a potential Biden Administration effort on this, and do you think we need a 50state stayathome plan, or do you agree on this one point with the president that not all states, not all parts of the country are equal . Well, first of all, id appoint where the president has the power under the defense production act, he talks about being or. I would find someone in the administration who was either a former general or someone who was used to organizing massive efforts to be in charge. If i were doing it all over again like we did, id go to a fellow like ron klain to do it. The point is you have to have one person in charge, and you have to use the defense production act across the board. The president has the authority not only to deal with ventilators, but for example we have a great shortage of masks across the country, a great shortage of testing, and he should be invoking that act at home, insisting that you have companies that he picks them and says, this is what were working on. This is what youre going to be producing, masks, tests, gowns. The gowns are made of paper. Theyre badly needed across the board for nurses and docs. And the section in that act if he invokes it at home, that section 102 that says if, in fact, the company that you move into the position of producing that material begins to price gouge, theres criminal penalties available. Id have my attorney general looking very closely to make sure they did not take advantage of the opportunity to produce these very badly needed facilitifacilit facilities items. What about staying at home in all 50 states . Well, i think id listen to the scientists about that. I think its a wiser thing to have stay away stayathome orders, but id listen to my scientists. Id listen to the faucis of the world and a half a dozen scientists that are in fact telling me meeting with me on the phone every morning. But it seems to me that its inevitable that youre going to have this go further and further. But, again, we got to get back, brian, as you know, to three things. Youve got to be able to have the tests available to determine who has the virus. Youve got to be able to follow those who are tested positive in the sense of finding out who they were in contact. You can find the way back and quarantine those who have come in contact with them. And you also have to be able to follow up with how you provide the First Responders with all they need. Yesterday according to the new york post, during a sixhour period, new york was seeing a death every 2. 9 minutes. Whats been your contact with Governor Cuomo . Well, i was on the phone with Governor Cuomo today, and i speak with him not infrequently. And he is hes very concerned that they havent even reached the apex yet. And, again, it gets down to testing, availability of the material from ventilators to masks to gowns to protect the First Responders, the doctors and the nurses, as well as hospital beds, which now are being made available. And so, you know, theres a great, great urgency, a great urgency, and theres been some very dire predictions of total number of deaths overall. You know, we found out about this virus the same day south korea found out about the virus. We suggested, a number of us, that the president begin to move. He didnt see any urgency. Were behind the eight ball, but not now. We have to go faster, not slower. Heres one of the ways this coronavirus impacts on politics. Can you really envision every prominent democrat in this country from all 50 states inside a hot arena 104 days from now . Its hard to envision that. Again, we should listen to the scientists. And, you know, one of the reasons why the Democratic Convention was going to be held early was the olympics were coming after the republican convention. There is more time now. I think were going to again, we ought to be able we were able to do it in the middle of the civil war all the way through to world war ii have democratic and Republican Conventions and primaries and elections and still have public safety. And were able to do both. But the fact is it may have to be different. My guess is there are going to be a great deal more absentee balloting we used to call it, but paper ballots that have to be that people will choose to use rather than show up and have social distancing. But who knows . By the time we get into july, september you know, july to begin with, but june, july, august, september, what its going to look like. Well have to listen to the scientists. But theres no rationale for eliminating or delaying the election. It may be virtual. God forbid were still dealing with this in november. God forbid were dealing with some kind of a regional or climate rebound of this in november. Do you think its incumbent upon the secretaries of state in all 50 states to ensure this is the one election with secure remote voting possibility . Yes. I think they should be doing that now. I think they should be doing that now, planning on it. I notice, you know, the house talked about some of this, and the president said, well, if we did what the house wanted, wed ensure no republican would ever get elected. Thats ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. And so this is about making sure that were able to conduct our democracy while were dealing with a pandemic. We can do both. It may mean a difference in the way we do it. It may mean that social distancing doesnt get it done. It may mean that you have a circumstance where you have drivein voting, literally pull up and vote. 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Whats his level of responsibility, say, toward the illness and fatalities were witnessing every few minutes these days . Id put it slightly differently. What is his responsibility, and what if there was, you know, allocating responsibility, you know, ill let history do that. But its clear that a lot of people, not just me, but a lot of people talked about saw this coming all the way back in january. On january the 17th, i think, i wrote an article for one of the major press outlets saying that we had to begin to act now. We knew what was happening in china, and guys like me im not the only one others talked about the need to employ the Defense Authorization legislation act, to be able to move. I think the president and his team have been very slow to move. Like, for example, i read today in the press and heard yesterday him telling governors that this is the first time he heard about shortage of testing. Well, i dont know where he has been. Hes out every single day standing in front of the public. I cant fathom it. Everyone from the republican the former attorney general, republican governor of ohio, the democratic governor of the state of montana, and in between, larry hogan, the governor of maryland all said, wait, thats not true. I dont know the exact quote, but, no, you have heard of it. You have to move rapidly. I dont know what is holding him up. And moving on look, those gowns that those nurses and doctors, theyre made of paper. Theyre made of paper. Theyre hard to make. Theyre hard to get hold off. Those plastic shields they wear, you know, around their faces when theyre working. Their ability to have the gloves and the masks. I mean thats all within our capacity to get. We need it now. Now, now, now. You remember the president promised not long ago that there would be in the cvc parking lots and walgreen parking lots and i forget the other one he mentioned, there would be testing sites all set up in those parking lots that would be ready to go, and they would be done in the hundreds, et cetera. Theres four, foourfour. Whats going on . Whos in charge . This is not rocket science. It is consequential, incredibly consequential. But there are certainly things that could be done now, should have been done three weeks ago, a month ago. The test for me is what does he do from this point on . And he has significant responsibility. Put somebody in charge. This is a war. You need a general. Put somebody in charge every single day thats accountable. Let people know exactly whats happening. Tell them the truth. They can handle it. Mr. Vice president , a number of americans, some of them prominent in the public eye, have said they would find it calming and perhaps reassuring to hear from our past president s in the modern era. Parafra paraphrasing the president , he has not reached out to our past president s because he would do so if he thought he could learn something. About the guy you worked with, do you think its time for americans to hear in a more public setting from barack obama . I think that it would be wise if the president if trump called president obama. Im going to Say Something that sounds selfserving, but i think we handled the last pandemic very well. We handled the last economic crisis very well in the organizational structure how we did it, what we did, who we put in charge, how it got done, where there was no waste of time and money. But, you know, im not sure that hes likely to do that in light of the fact he was briefed extensively and his team was briefed extensively when we left office, warning about a pandemic, warning about what has to happen, warning about what needs to be done now, then, to deal with what is likely to come. And by the way, once we get through this, its not going to be end of it. There are going to be other pandemics. We can learn from this so were prepared when others occur so we dont have to be in this problem. I dont get a sense that the president wants to hear from anybody. Its all about like asking governors to thank him for what hes doing as president . Come on. What is this all about . So well hold right there. We have a bit more of our conversation still ahead, specifically about potential Vice President le selections. But just ahead for us, the alarm within the u. S. Navy as Service Members in tight quarters are getting sick. Well talk to a retired fourstar admiral when we come back. So you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. For small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. Shop everything home at wayfair. Com baby sounds and cooing notification chime keyboard clicking the captain of a u. S. Navy Aircraft Carrier with 100 diagnosed coronavirus cases on board pleading for help from the pentagon. In a letter obtained by the San Francisco chronicle captain Brett Crozier of the uss Theodore Roosevelt said the spread is ongoing and accelerating. The ship currently docked in guam. The captain wants quarantine room onshore for his entire crew as soon as possible. He wrote, quote, we are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset, our sailors. We are happy to have back with us tonight admiral james stav reed es. Hes a 30year veteran of the u. S. Navy, retired with four stars on his shoulder. Former supreme allied commander of nato. His most recent book is sailing true north ten admirals and the voyage of character. Admiral, they call this character the big stick for Teddy Roosevelt himself. Approximately five acres of flight deck, approximately 5,000 souls on board. Theyve been called, as no one needs to tell you, floating cities. The navy gave us the term hot racking. That means when you crawl into a buck thats still warm from the shift before you and the shift before that and so on. To put it mildly, these are cramped quarters. Imagine what this virus could do below deck. Indeed, brian. For your listeners, i would suggest think about your kitchen at home, like a typical suburban kitchen, except in that kitchen about 15 sailors live. Theyre in bunk beds two and threedeckers, and they share a common commode, a head as we call it. Theyre in the ultimate close quarters. Brian, we call that a berthing compartment because each of those individual bunks is a berth. But you can think of that in another way to make a terrible as a birthing compartment, as in it is a compartment, a space, a living area that is giving birth to coronavirus. So theres no way to do social distancing on an Aircraft Carrier. This Commanding Officer made the absolute right decision. He sailed true north, told his chain of command that he had to have help, and offloaded. The plan is to offload 90 of that crew so that the remaining 10 can operate and safeguard the nuclear reactor, make sure those aircraft, the bombs, the missiles, the explosives are preserved and taken care of and disinfect the entire ship, then bring the crew back aboard. Its an incredibly complex maneuver. Weve never done anything like it in the navy. And, brian, ill close by saying the bad news is this wont be the last time we end up doing this because again and again, the tightness of these quarters is going to cause this kind of flareup in these warships. Well, that was my next question to you. How do we deal with this, god forbid, times 50 or 100 vessels . Sooner or later this is going to degrade our kinetic potential as warships, correct . Absolutely. And lets take it to another level and say, what if this had been a Ballistic Missile submarine caring Nuclear Warheads for our Strategic Deterrent . What if had been a missile silo in north dakota, very close quarters . What if had been the crew of a b2 Strategic Bomber loaded with Nuclear Weapons . So this underlines for us, brian, a point about this virus response we should bear in mind, and were all in the military, Everyone Wants to be part of responding to this and helping the civilian population. But the first thing the military has to do is stay healthy because our National Security depends on a healthy force that can go forward. So the military is going to have to balance its support, and just over the weekend we saw the beautiful hospital ships comfort and mercy pulling into new york and los angeles. There will be more of that, but your military is going to have to be sure it can deploy forward as well. Its going to be challenging times. This is why you were the one guy we wanted to hear out on this topic tonight. Admiral james stavridis, thank you for welcoming us to your home. Coming up for us, Bernie Sanders says he still has a narrow path to the nomination. Well play for you what joe biden had to say about that. One last piece of our interview with the former Vice President when we come back. According to her daughter, she spends too much time on the internet. According to the census, she just needs a few minutes more. The census is now online. 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I have respect for him, and i think there ought to be a way we could accommodate his concerns on other matters in terms of everything from people being engaged in his organization. I think theres a lot of things that could be done, but thats a decision for bernie to make. If you are indeed the nominee, can you share with us at least how many names are on your potential grab bag list for Vice President and if any of the figures who have emerged from this coronavirus crisis, thinking specifically of, say, the governor of michigan, if any of those figures have lengthened the list . She hasnt lengthened the list. She made the list in my mind two months ago. But there is probably going to be a list. Im in the process, brian, and will have it by midapril, putting together an organization that will run the background checks because theyre going to have to be started whether or not bernie is still in the race by sometime the first second second or third week in april. 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An oped in the New York Times entitled its time to make your own face mask is picking up on a big question across our country. The president kindly said today the administration would have no problem with it if people all started wearing masks. More than once today, perhaps fearing we would all ask for masks, the president reminded us we can access rise with civilsc ofs, there has been no cdc ruling as many people are choosing to do out there. And finally a big measure of where we are tonight from Susan Glasser of the new yorker and she writes just this. Today is the last day of march. Donald trump now says if our nation comes out of it with 200,000 fatalities, it will have been a better outcome. Imagine his march 1st self saying that. And that is our broadcast on this tuesday night. On behalf of all of my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, good night from our temporary field headquarters. The United States now has over 186,000 cases of coronavirus, more than 3,800 americans are dead. That means that the United States has now surpassed the number of deaths that china reports that it suffered from the coronavirus. Today at the white house, the president and dr. Tony fauci and dr. Deborah birx from the Coronavirus Task force showed off this graphic, which projects 1. 5 to 2. 2 million americans could die from the virus, but the hope is with policy intervention to keep americans at home, policy
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