decided not to bring this in. >> he's being -- in terms of where the house conference is now. >> don't make me do this. >> they're appetite for immigration reform. >> oh, this is too hard! >> about 26 republicans from tea party reporting. >> we waited 329 days and we're willing to wait another six weeks so they'll have to -- 1234 president obama elected julio castro. obama, a speaking slot that led to one presidency in recent memory. a similarity the president noted moments ago. >> for the first time, most americans heard this man speak is when he spoke at the democratic national convention almost two years ago. they saw a young guy, pretty good speaker and not bad looking, talk about how america is the only place where his story could even be possible. and i watched and thought, that's not bad. >> castro's nomination elevates an up-and-coming latino to the president's inner circle at a critical moment when both parties are hearing from this hispanic community when it comes to immigration. at a press conference democratic senators through down a deadline for house republicans to take action on comprehensive reform and a year after the senate passed a landmark by partisan bill. and senator schumer pointed out one in particular as the root of the problem. >> steve king says, do nothing and the house leadership does nothing. that's what's happened so far. they have about a skix-week window. from june 10th, after the last republican primary, until the august recess. if they don't pass immigration reform then, the president will is no choice but to act on his own. >> congressman steve king, you will remember, is the enlightened lawmaker who claimed for every valedictorian dreamer there are 100 more with calves the size of can they can they hopes and angle huge from carryings drugs over the border. >> if we're going to have a challenge of rhetoric bouncing back and forth between the house and senate let's do it face-to-face. let's do it eye to eye. let's have that duel. not like alexander hampton, but i would be the one standing on the high ground on that. not doing pistols at 50 paces. >> steve king will have the high ground on that, programs by standing on all the mounds of can they hopes that the immigration advocates have delivered to his office for the better part of the year. but the republicans in action shouldn't be seen as resistance. not according to house speaker, john boehner. >> there's nobody mother interested in fixing this problem than i am. >> and by "nobody" he means almost everybody. joining me now is the host and my newest colleague here at cnbc, jose deyez. i'm so happy to see you here. thank you for joining me today. >> you're so kind, alex. i'm so, so excited and this new phase is going to be very interested. say hello to you from panorama city in california. a place that the majority of latinos. i got to tell you'll today's announcement by the julian castro is going to be part of the cabinet. he's very young but clearly has his sights on much bigger political fish. >> and it's coming at an important time where we talk about hispanic in american socie society. yesterday, the democrats in congress threw down the gauntlet. saying house republicans have until the end of the summer to do any substantive on immigration reform or the president will be forced to act. do you expect speaker boehner will be able to do anything with that senate bill in the coming weeks? >> i think it's been interesting to watch this. i think we. spoke about this some months ago. there's little doubt in my mind that the president will act in some measure in the early months of the summer if nothing comes out of the house. vis-a-vis, immigration reform and that could be, for example, freezing or removing the secure community's federal program that was started by president bushnd increased by president obama, which has been very controversial and a number of other issues he could take unilaterally to mitigate the pain of the deportations that in our community, has meant shattering of families for more than five years now. but i think the fact that this deadline that the president has let seep, that he'll act if nothing comes out of the houses the fact that people are saying that it's probably a real deadline, that he'll act forcefully in july or august if nothing comes out of the hill. i think it will help motivate speaker boehner and others to, at least, get the ball rolling. there are only a handful of republicans in the house. that really care about immigration reform and so far they have pretty much been on their own. the speaker may say he wants immigration reform and that's something he's been working on forever and i'm no one to doubt people's words but actions speak louder than words and what is going to be happening in the house before their summer session to deal with this issue? everyone, the democrats and republicans agree, the system is broken. what are we going to do about fixing it? >> jose, when you hear speaker boehner say no one cares for about this problem than they and a very moderate bill which was basically to allow dreamers to enlist in the military and earn legal status. that was sponsored by eric kantor and could not come to the house floor for a vote. if they had can't even gets there what is the hope that even in the wake of executive action from the president they could do anything? >> just this week the enlisting act of by partisan proposal in the house that would give papers to undocumented who are serving in the united states armed forces that are willing to shed their blood to die for this country? that couldn't even pass. i'm very, very happy to hear the speaker thinks there's no one that worked on immigration reform more than him or cares about it more than him. there's an expression in spanish, if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be bicycle but she doesn't have wheels so she's not bicycle. it will me what you're doing. no what could happen if your grandmother had wheels. yes she would be bicycle but right now she's not. let's deal with the facts. >> my grandmother is not bicycle either and i have a hard time believing the speaker cares about this as much as he says he does. let's look at the broad picture. assume the president goes forward with executive actions or changes or amends the policy on deportation. those are meaningful. but when it comes to a broader reform package addressing the plight of 11 million undocumented residents in the country, if the republicans do nothing it's highly unlikely they'll hand a democratic president a victory on that level before 2016. now we're looking at 2016. potentially a republican-controlled house, senate and maybe even a white house. if that happens, what is the extort of optimism level from the latino community and the activists community and immigration reform advocates, that anything will be done in the next four, six or eight years? >> that's a very good question and i got to tell you, there's deep hurt and many of the latino community are upset with the republicans for what they see as a party that's not dealing with a critical issue for the whole country. this would be a benefit for the economy. a massive i injection of money and resources. but let's say it isn't done. very clear rejection be many in the community to the republicans they say are being obstructionists. there's also a disillusionment with the democrats. is that every day there are a thousand deportations in this country and all the statistics seem to show those deported for the grand majority of them they are not criminals. so they feel like, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. on the one hand the rupgs don't do anything on immigration reform and on the other hand, the democrats say they do but where is the evidence of some mitt gangs of a very difficult situation? >> telemundo, i expect to see you at the water cooler on the second floor any day now. >> i'll be there. after the break, bhooirch equality is having a very big week thanks to the handywork of george w. bush, kind of. ted boudreau, the attorney that argued prop 8 joins me next. 6 if i can impart one lesson to a new business owner, it would be one thing i've learned is my philosophy is real simple american express open forum is an on-line community, that helps our members connect and share ideas to make smart business decisions. if you mess up, fess up. be your partners best partner. we built it for our members, but it's open for everyone. there's not one way to do something. no details too small. american express open forum. this is what membership is. this is what membership does. when we arrived at our hotel in new york, the porter was so incredibly careful careless with our bags. and the room they gave us, it was beautiful. a broom closet. but the best part, / worst part, was the shower. my wife drying herself with the egyptian cotton towels, shower curtain defined that whole vacation for her. don't just visit new york. visit tripadvisor new york. with millions of reviews, a visit to tripadvisor makes any destination better. ugh. heartburn. did someone say burn? 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joining me now is one of the lead attorneys in the proposition 8 case in california. ted, thanks for joining me. what a historic week and a historic year. what when you look at what's happening on the issue of marriage equality are you surprised how quickly this issue moved front and center and become a moral test for a lot of these justices? >> it's been incredible. the speed of the decision in the prop 8 and the windsor case on the defensive marriage act last june has been like a tidal wave sweeping the country and it's been conservative judges, liberal judges, north, east, west and south and it is amazing. when courts hear the arguments and look at the law and look at the supreme court's decision and the momentum from the other decisions it's very, very difficult for them to come out any other way than to strike down the bans. it's amazing. >> what do you think of emily's sort of hypothesis that it might be possible that same-sex marriage is legalized in the country without it on reaching the supreme court. do you think that's likely? >> i thought a lot about that. you have such yunanimity in the courts justice said, let the splits develop. here, it's vastly more than pbr. there's a chance all the circuits could agree. it won't is your price me to see one or two go a different way but the arguments are so strong and the supreme court language and the language beginning with judge walker in the perry case in california, all these other judges are am amplifying about equality, dignity, banning discrimination. it's powerful and i've never seen anything like this in constitutional litigation in our country's history really. >> when judge john jones, a george bush appointee, when he struck it down he wrote -- we're a better people than what these laws represent, referring to marriage bans and it's time to discard them into the ash heap of history. if we're nothing but the sort of moral litmus test, you have to ask, which justice wants to be the one that goes against the tooifd tide of comfort equality? it's in clear language. it's hard to imagine who wants to be the odd man out? l. >> when we brought prop 8 in 2009, we didn't take for granted any justice's vote. we thought, if we get these arguments there and make them the right way with the evidence and get the momentum building working with all the other groups bringing other cases it will be very compelling and very hard to vote against marriage equality. and we've always looked it not as a republican/democrat or liberal/conservative issue. it's really a fundamental constitutional civil rights issue that's hard to deny. i think this momentum makes it more difficult for courts to rule against this tide. i think it is just remarkable. and everythings that come together. i'm thinking the gods have been smiling on this litigation with the defensive marriage act litigation and all the suits across the country, except in north dakota, my home state and i'm confident that's going to happen soon, too. >> i was going to ask you, to be the lone holdout, how long do you think? tell us more about the dynamics there in terms of cases and culturally, whether that state is content to be the last holdout? >> north dakota is a great state. i grew up there. once i got involved in the fight out here in california, i had so many great phone calls, e-mails, messages, support, i think it's a state that really respects equality and liberty and freedom. i think there's going to be a suit soon there. my colleagues at gibson dunn and the marriage foundation for equal rights were here and if anybody wants to challenge the law, i could see my mother there more often. i think it will happen. it's an undeniable force. >> it is. that was a cattle call to anyone who would like to file a lawsuit in bismarck. attorney ted boutrou. ask with thank you for your thoughts. >> thanks for having me. moments ago president obama announced his new secretary, julian castro. that's next. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. predibut, manufacturings a prettin the united states do. means advanced technology. we learned that technology allows us to be craft oriented. no one's losing their job. there's no beer robot that has suddenly chased them out. the technology is actually creating new jobs. siemens designed and built the right tools and resources to get the job done. 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do these shame them or embarrass them? do you have any sense they push them further toward any kind of action? >> well, we hope that it does. i saw his comment yesterday and all of us know if john boehner wanted to, he could have that bill on the floor right away and it would pass. there are the votes to pass it. a combination mostly of democrats but probably 25 or 30 republicans. so it's very strange to hear him say, that no one caretion more about it than him. >> i can see the script for this playing out in my mind's eye. which the president will inevitably not get any support from republicans in congress, he'll issue executive orders and the roups will say it's unilateral action and they can't work with the imperial president. does executive arks hurt the chance of broader immigration reform in the long run? >> i don't think so. i think tobacco action is a bridge measure. i think the president will probably act again because congress is not doing its job, you know? congress has failed to act on immigration reform, even though 60% plus of the american public wants to pass comprehensive immigration reform and there's no question in the long run, the solution is not executive action. the long-term solution is for congress to actually work together and do the right thing and pass a bill. >> were you surprised the enlist act couldn't get a vote on the house floor? this is as benign it gets. dreamers who want to enlist in the military as some have said, shed their blood for this country and even then, the house republicans won't consider giving them citizenship? >> i was. a republican from california, withdrew that amendment last year from the defense authorization bill and he withdrew it because the republican leadership indiana pledges and promises to him that would work to pass it in the intervening year and that never happened and then they blocked us from voting on it this year. >> congressman, i got to ask you for due diligence, have you spoken to the president about the deportation policy? >> we have. i tell folks i stood three feet from the president a few months back in front of the democratic caucus and asked him they review the deportation policy. i was heartened to say jay johnson is doing that review now so i'm expecting the president in this administration, pretty soon will take action because congress is note doing its job. and really, alex, not only not doing its job on immigration but it's not doing its job on a lot of things and the american public dunltd want a bunch of politicians in washington who sit around and collect a paycheck. >> and indeed they do not. my last question, are you prepared to have people confuse you with the new secretary of housing and urban development. >> i'm hoping they'll call him congressman. when i was in loan? 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what they're seeing are avatartion for the republican party and the insurgent tea party movement. at one point a koch operative told you the republicans don't trust us but at this point it seems like the kochs and republicans have not just -- in terms of democratic messaging points but the republicans themselves embrace the kochs. to your mind, what is that relationship like now? >> i think it certainly has become a lot closer in recent years. and my theory in some ways, is that by vi havely testifying th kochs, they drove them into their arms. for a long time they had an easy relationship with the republican party. charles koch called the republicism a doomed strategy in the past. the other thing is that these guys have kind of created a shadow, political party within the republican party. they're able to raise as much money as the republican national committee. they have sort of ground forces through the americans for prosperity. they can run ads through any number of nonprofit groups. they have a data operation. and on and on so main string republicans realize they have to get along with these guys. >> talk about the family dynamics. we speak of the kochs like they're one unified entity but there are four brothers and the two most prominent that they are charles and david be you make a point, they're very different. charles is, as you say and i'll quote through the book. david is a true philanthropist. charles is about changing the world. david has lincoln center named after him. charles has different activities. is there tension between the two brothers and how is that made manifest? >> well, i think the family story is one of the really most fascinating parts of who the kochs are and one ring i was interested in writing this book because you have the drama may plays out between the four brothers and two brothers square off, charles and david and first, bill and frederick. through 20 years of legal wrangling. so all of these guys are really interesting people with different legacies and as you point out, charles is's life long mission is a public policy one. it's been the mainstreaming of libertarian ideas. that's kind of his legacy. david certainly shares his politics and he's more of the face man of their political activities. but in terms of his philanthropy, you know, you can't argue that he's given so much more money to medical research, the arts, things of that nature. if you walk through new york city you can't go too far without walking past the david koch theater at lincoln center. or the david koch plaza at the met. so that's how i view his legacy. >> and it also helps get an tray. >> new york city sort of elite society which may not be embracing of all of these very far right-wing ideas that the catches have. the name of the book "sons of wichita" daniel thank you. >> thanks. nba owner mark cuban speaks about race and bigotry. has the conversation about the conversation made having the conversation too difficult? 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>> well, look. mark cuban is to be applauded for telling the truth. that's great. but here's how it plays out. he tells the truth and people say, at least he told the truth why are you beating up on him. the point is to have conversation. white nngs has been deployed historically to adeflect attention to and moral responsibility for the behavior being expressed or the ideals being articulated so maerk cuban's bigotry, unintended. i don't think he's a racist or he's admitted he's prejudiced and a bigot like we all are but they are net all created equal. to have a bigotry twads a skinhead is not the same because laws haven't been erected against the skin heads. the history of white supremacy hadn't been directed towards skin heads not like with black people in some sort of clothing. in this qualification, the hoodie. it's a false lense and secondly, martin luther king jr. who said it's not just the racist or the klu klux klanners i'm worried about. but the white people who have a inability to acknowledge the deeper problems. and not just individual beliefs, it's institutional mechanisms. and the hoodie signifies in the culture where the systemic affects of this racism are still in play. >> before this began you were talking about the hoodie. what you read in terms of cuban's use of that article of clothing. >> michael said being a skinhead is being equivalent to wearing a piece of clothing. if you're a skinhead and you're pledging certain ideology and if were walking down the street and saw someone like that you can say this person might believe x, y and z. i don't want to be near them. but a hoodie? >> right it's a sweat shirs. >> problematic to use that as an example because it's -- there's nothing to fear there. you're evoking your race igs stereotypes about the criminality of young, black men. part of the problem is and part of why i think cuban can hide behind saying "i'm being honest" lots of people feel that way. police departments feel that way. if we say, mark cuban is just a expressing his opinion, yes, he's prejudiced but at least he's being honest we're ignoring that florida kind of prejudice. it can compound on people in real ways. >> the hoodie became such a sort of symbol of movement in and around trayvon martin and i don't think you use that image happen hazardly, right? cuban says, i did not think about that. there's a reason you were talking about a hoodie, man. >> even predateding trayvon martin it's not like after the fiasco and after the george zimmerman case was resolved that he had culpability. i'm glad he made that faux pas. what clearly is on his mind? what's the first metaphor? it's the hoodie and because it's true, that kind of evokation of suspicion is what is at stake. look, skinheads can wear hoodies, too. anybody can wear a hoodie but the point is they're interchangeable clothing. one is your being and another is a piece of clothing you choose to wear or not wear and those people with tattoos, everybody on your team, mr. maverick's owner. how about lebron james the most decorated player in the nba. >> a black guy with tattoos is a different than a white guy in a hoodie. >> that's very different. those stereotypes have empirical consequence. police departments, people who have guns. they watch committees and neighborhoods, make snap judgments based upon the perception of what this black kid is like lir to do. those people who say and i had a debate stayed with my very good friend steven a smith. he's like black people should dress right and wear the right stuff. >> i said, barack obama doesn't dress like that. he's treated like he's wearing a hoodie and carrying a ak-47. >> there's an argument on the conservative side that by virtue of talking about race you're further the ricist narrative. today, rush limbaugh said this and i'll directly quote him. do we have the sound? let's play it for america. >> talk about color blind society. i think i'm one of the few who actually lived that. i would geraldo rivera, all the owners in the nba are jewish. who thinks like this. >> anti-semitism bundled with rush giving his own color issues. but, here's rush limbaugh proposing that because he doesn't acknowledge racism in general he's the only person who lives that, which is a color blind existence. >> that's ridiculous. >> if you look at our society that's deep in racial inequities, you in effect, are helping to further the racial inequities. kwlor blindness, i think in most of its forms or all of its forms is an excuse to not pay attention. you do for damage like that. i wrote last week about millenniumals who are color blind oopgs. >> they worry me, too. >> sorry. i do that. >> but, yeah. i would also say, the president, after the zimmerman verdict comes down, came out and talked about how he knows the feeling of being in an elevator and having a white woman clinch her purse tighter or the sounds of doors locking when he's walking around a parking lot and that was this huge kind of cat cat cliz mic moment in his presidency. he doesn't celebrate that. our relationship to race in the public forum is like incredibly tenuous. >> we have a bby polar relationp with race. we don't want to talk about it because to talk about it, somehow the old people would say about cancer. don't get checked. if you open up the body and the wind will spread it and it will spread all over your body. what mark cuban is doing is hiv. what donald sterling is doing is aids. there are spots and indications and symbols of racial impropriety and problems that -- it was eric holder who said, donald sterling and all these guys, these bigots, they ain't the main problem 3 the main problem is the justice system that refuses to treat all people equally. >> michael eric dyson and jamel, thank you so much. we could do a whole other hour of this. >> any time. after the break, i'm not a witch o'donnell, is back with a bold prediction. that's next. when i was pregnan. i got more advice than i knew what to do with. what i needed was information i could trust on how to take care of me and my baby. luckily, unitedhealthcare has a simple program that helps moms stay on track with their doctors and get the right care and guidance-before and after the baby is born. simple is good right now. 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