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Attorney general bill barr did something extraordinary on capitol hill. He didnt just say what the president wanted to hear, although he did do that and he didnt make an explosive claim of what might have led to the investigation. He did that, too. The chief Law Enforcement officer went in front of congress and gave credence to a factless cominspiracy theory. I think spying on a Political Campaign is a big deal. Big deal. So you are not suggesting, though, that spying occurred. I dont. Well i guess i think there was a spying did occur, yes, i think spying did occur. Well. The question is whether it was predicated. Adequately predicated. Im not suggesting it wasnt adequately predicated. But i need to explore that. Using the word spying plays into the president s language that the russia investigation to him is just a witch hunt and everyone time theyve brought up this allegation, there has been zero factual basis for it. Every effort to perpetrate the spying Conspiracy Theory has been debunkd. Ill get to that in a moment. Barr said in a hearing he has no specific everyday about wrong doing at the department. You dont get to put the toothpaste back into the tube, do you . Maybe it was because President Trump was making the same accusation literally as the attorney general was testifying before congress. What has been found during this period of time are the illegal acts of getting this whole phony investigation started. And, hopefully, thats where people are going now. Thats where people are going. And its very interesting. It was an illegal investigation, major. It was an illegal investigation. It was started illegally. Everything about it was crooked. With me now is greg bower, former assistant director for the office of the Congressional Affairs at the fbi, so he knows a thing or two about the fbi and his relationship with congress. And Jason Johnson is the politics editor at the root and msnbc contributor and alphonse aguilar is chief of the u. S. Office of citizenship under president george w. Bush. I do want to play mr. Barrs kind of walkback from the initial conversation, greg, and i want to get your reaction to it. Lets get the walkback in here. This is sat 3, guys, barr trying to clarify his spying accusation. I just want to make it Clear Thinking back on all the different colloquys here that i am not saying that improper under surveillance occurred. Im saying that i am concerned about it and looking into it. Thats all. Well, what do you make of all of it now . You saw the initial sort of dramatic unveiling that mr. Barr had. Then he ends up, pay no attention to what i said. Cluck, i watched it live and was concerned that his first statement, was a little relieved at his second, it clearly wasnt good enough after he dropped that bomb. Im afraid at best he confused things. At worse i think he confirmed the worst fears of his critics, which is that he is playing politics with this, he is out to appease an audience of one. Id like to think that itself not the case. Its hard to argue with that watching his performance today. The issue of fisa abuse and the concern about it, id take it that members of congress should be concerned about it. Explain how serious the fbi does take it . Well, its an incredibly serious process with an incredibly ro bust layer of oversight including by the fisa court, itself. As was pointed out today, the Inspector General at the department of justice is doing a comprehensive review of the relevant fisa applications in question here. But whats interesting about the attorney generals comments today is the fact that his own Deputy Attorney general rod rosenstein, who was involved at least at the latter stages of these subject fisas, could simply explain to the tomorrow exactly what happened and no doubt would explain that there was nothing illegal and there was no misconduct. And the fact that the attorney general hasnt received is that briefing and doesnt have that understanding is puzzling to me. You know, anne geren. We know this is theinthe president wants and all this stuff. But it did seem as if now that mr. Barr has put himself in a position where hes now a political actor in the eyes of every democrat and perhaps some republicans. Yeah. I mean i think he sort of completed that course. Right. The fourpage memo, being step one. And as greg said, this will confirm the worst suspicions of his critics. But i think barr was doing a couple of things here. I mean, first of all he wanted to obviously get and deliberately chose an explosive word that has a lot of connotations in he chose his word carefully. It wasnt an accident. Echose it carefully. It wasnt an accident and Jeanne Shaheen gave him a chance to clean it up in the moment. He didnt. He used the word again. He came back to it to say that what Everybody Knows is what im dock here is whether this spying was okay, not whether they were spying or not. So he chose that deliberately and he chose it and to do it the way he did so that President Trump would know and the only part of this whole entire conversation that trump will ever hear is i believe spying occurred part. Right . Its all his own bases heard. You should see emails i am getting from the viewers over the years that bought into this bizarre Conspiracy Theory of their that somehow Hillary Clinton worked with the russians to create this conspiracy. Theyre like through the moon. You dont have to go all the way into the Conspiracy Theory. This is the problem i have with that. To me and i respect muellers investigation of potential collusion, to me it sound like a conspiracy, something very difficult to prove. I dont know if we had evidence that, you know, generated enough suspicion to begin an investigation of collusion, that trump clued with the highest levels of the kremlin to impact our election. I think we have enough evidence to at least have concern about how the counterintelligence investigation began and on whether there was some improper under surveillance. He said during the testimony that he did have some additional evidence that he wasnt ready to share. He also said he wasnt going to open an here was the open part, though, he laid out an investigation, ah, im not financial to investigate it. That means you dont believe the allegation. If its as serious as he claimed, then actually you are the attorney general, your words matter here. Right. It was very trumplike. Wasnt it, chuck . Like some people are saying. A lot of people are saying, but with no evidence. Hes not a pundit anymore. Not with him saying hes going to look at it just the same way he said he didnt. Thats my point. In the same breath, he said, well, im not talking about opening an investigation. I dont understand what he was doing here. It feels like he did politics here. This is a part of the larger issue of undermining the very people are you in charge of. Thats also what he did. By basically saying i think a lot of these people in the department of justice have been engaging in inappropriate behavior. Are you right, it was attempting to play to an audience of one. You know the difference, you stole my car. Actually i lent you my car. That is what he is saying, its spying, i dont know if its an ina appropriate observation, they constantly undermining our fbi, cia and suggesting they continent be trusted which brings problems for what our investigators can do. It means his leadership is tainted. Greg, what was the fbi supposed to do when you had active multiple attempts of russians clearly trying to infiltrate the Trump Campaign . Pure and simple . That is we are debating when the Trump Campaign knew what was going on. It is indisputable the number of attempts they made to infiltrate that campaign . What was the fbi supposed to do . For truly exactly what we know it did. Thats the answer. So again, i raised the fact that for this tomorrow who has been on the job, not long now, but enough if he wanted to be fully briefed on exactly what happened. Keep in mind as i mentioned, his own Deputy Attorney general approved some of the under surveillance and has briefed members of congress of what happened. Richard burr, by the way, every time richard noonan, he says, well, i seen the allegation and he has to correct devon nunez. Let me say and also the current general at the fbi also when he was acting, i think he was acting Deputy Attorney general at the time. He was also the u. S. Attorney in the Eastern District of virginia. Also involved in approving under surveillance. Why he cant get a briefing by all of those. Its not as he suggested today, well, im not criticizing the fbi. Im criticizing certain former leaders. No, no, he in effect criticize his own dag and own fbi today. In defense of them, there is no evidence of any wrong doing at a all. Alphonse, i go es the question here is if you believe that things were started under political suspicion. Right . Thats the charge from the right. Why act so politically . I mean, im sorry, what he ended up doing, two wrongs dont make a right here if you believe a wrong happened. Im not saying it was the most articulate what i to say it. Clearly it wasnt. It wasnt the appropriate timing when the president had just he chose to do it this way. They knew what they were doing. This isnt an accident. How do we know that . Do we know that for shoo you are . Were speculating here. My only point is i didnt like the way he said it, but if there are i dont think he was talking only to an audience of one. There are many who question how this investigation began. There was under surveillance and he said it, he wants to know if there was improper under surveillance. Whats the problem with that . Can we look at that . Thats all the information that was available to him. He knew it. He still made the statement he made. Thats why this is a problem. None of this is a mystery anymore. Its been two years. We have tons of investigation, external and internal that showed nothing bad happened. No one was trying to spy on this president through his microwave whatever it was he was suggesting a yearandahalf ago. For the new attorney general to sit there and reopen the pandoras box, that doesnt help us by the way and it doesnt matter what the truth is. Does it . I mean, i hate to say this now, thats the whole point. It feels like that basical will i the attorney general gas lit the country. It matters to me, it matters to you, to those of those who are reporting. Not that its not going to matter whatever the truth is, people have already decided. Yes, absolutely. I think thats completely fair. And its something that barr knows going in, as did many of the senators who were asking him questions today. That the countrys mind is made up here. And, you know, and trump was able to before during and after the barr testimony, you know, continue to put out his version of it, which, you know, he called this phony, crooked treasonous and illegal like five times today. The people who believe that with him will hear only that and will hear barrs words as further evidence of that. People who dont will see it the opposite way. I want to transition to another piece of news he made. We did finally get some questions on the decision he made to not recommend an obstruction of justice charge against the president. I want, guys, im setting up sot 2. I want to let people know that barr, himself, did say he had a conversation with mueller about why he didnt make the obstruction charge. He said he would explain what that conversation was down the road. But heres an exchange between Chris Van Hollen and mr. Barr. Im asking you whether you agree with mueller that there were difficult issues of law, in fact, making that assessment . Its not a question i really can answer until i well, you did it. But you looked at the report. Right . And you looked at the evidence of the report and you made a decision and you said that the president s not guilty of criminal obstruction of justice. Im asking you in your review of the report, did you agree we mueller that there were difficult issues of law, in fact . I am going to give my reaction and comments about the report after the report comes out. Well, it would have been but you put your view of the report out. You know, its that last point i want to pick up. Has barr already taint basically he put his thumb on the scale without telling us how he came to the conclusion. Thats whats so confusing about this as i said before, bob mueller is the last guy who are doj veterans would expect to hand off a tough decision as apparently happened according to that march 24th letter and bill barr, frankly, is the last guy who should take on that decision, blgiven the memo he wrote. None of this makes sense. Both of them have to testify. The report has to be they have a lot of explaining to do. It doesnt make sense. He didnt have to make the decision. Barr could have waited until he was ready to read the report. Making the decision without letting anybody read the report seems to be his decision. I dont think so. He reaches a conclusion. We will see in a week he says the report and he did say, and i think that letter that he september was very objective. He said, mr. Mueller said that there was evidence that shows obstruction of justice and evidence that proves that there wasnt obstruction of justice. He is basic ally telegraphing to congress there may be evidence there that could prove the charge of obstruction of justice. But he concluded there wasnt. So we will continue debating this, his conclusion, ask the attorney general. We dont know if mr. Mueller was putting it in that decision because it couldnt be made at justice only according to constitution could be made by one entity, congress. When it comes to the president of the United States. And i think the other part is we have to look back, all of this is also tainted, balls we already knew what barrs opinion was, we knew it a year ago when he said he didnt believe in this investigation. Heres what happens with the problem of the letter and decisions hes made. When you come to an answer this quickly, its like in 6th grade math. You got to show us your work. He gave us a fourpage document which is supposed to explain 400 words. Jason, the report will be color coded. It will be awesome. Congress. The everyday is there. Congress could still proceed. No doubt. And if there is evidence there that they find troubling. Heres the thing, and i got to let it go here. The president has successfully muddied everything that he wanted to on the Mueller Report and nobody has yet read a single sentence. Thats the fact. Thats the world we live in right now. How we got here . We can all speculate on the motivation how we got to this point. This is where we are. Thank you very much, sir. 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Attorney general bill barr said he was saying not that spying occurred, just saying it might have occurred. The president s staunchest allies were off and running with his original comments. You know what they say, what can travel halfway around the world in a second, anyway, donald trump, jr. Tweeted this is a big deal and everyone knows it. They tweeted now the investigation is flipped. Well, if you are confused. So am i. Louisiana republican senator john kennedy. He was one of the senators who questioned the attorney general this morning. Senator kennedy, always good to hear from you and see you, sir. Thank you, chuck. Good to be with you, man. Let me start with im just straight up confused. Did the attorney general today, did he say there was spying on the Trump Campaign and then saying he wasnt going to investigate it . Because i heard both of those comments today. Im more confused than i think i should be. Well, heres what i heard, which i think is factual and i asked him about this. We think that there were a handful of people in 2016 at the fbi maybe at the Justice Department who chose to investigate both president ial campaigns, not just President Trumps campaign, but secretary Clintons Campaign as well. And the issue, of course, is were they in good faith . If they werent, if they were acting on their parochial political beliefs, all i want from them is away, i want them gone. That means they cant have political beliefs. They just cant act on them. I think its a fact that both campaigns were investigated. Now, you can call it spying or whatever you want to, i think no, no, senator, i go es the thing that when the attorney general of the United States, the chief Law Enforcement of america calls an investigation spying, you know what that does to the perception of the fbi, thats tooth pait that will be very hard to shove back into that tube, calling the if ib fib a spying agency. And i know perhaps that is what he wanted it to come across as, but it was an fbi investigation. He is now calling it spying. Well, i cant tell you why the tomorrow used that choice of words. I cant, chuck. I can just tell you i think, what i heard him say and in context and what i think is a fact is that the fbi and some members of the Justice Department in 2016 investigated both the Trump Campaign and the clinton campaign. Not Just One Campaign . Right. And the issue is, and i hope barr does find out. Were they in good faith . Or were they acting on parochial political beliefs. And thats a very fair question. I want to know that its a serious matter when in the middle of a president ial campaign when each party is nominated its candidate for the fbi to decide to investigate the campaign . Senator, there already have been multiple investigations on this, there was an Inspector General investigation, which got andy mccabe fired. It didnt find fisa abuse. There has been multiple investigations, the House Republicans and the Intel Committee have done a bunch of stuff. It turned out none of it was true. Richard burr has debunked a lot of these allegations, himself. And the senate intel, i guess, how many more investigations do we need . Are they just looking for an investigation just so they can say theres one . Well, im not talking about the need for another investigation. I think the way youre talking about it, chuck, i want to know did they have credible evidence, were they in good faith in investigating secretary clinton and her campaign and in investigating President Trump in his campaign . And heres the short way home to this. Rather, you are right, rather than doing another investigation, there is an easier way. The president talked about it in september. Justify declassify properly redacted all of the documents that the fbi about the investigations of president ial campaigns if 2016, let the American People see them. Theyve got to be properly redacted. Let the American People see them and the American People will draw their own conclusions. You know what, theyll be right. You called the attorney general last night. You called him a straight shooter. Are you worried he is giving up his sort of political, whatever Political Capital he had going into this, that hes now looking more partisan, maybe its not his intent, but in some of his actions, in fact, how hes handling the Mueller Report or using the spying that hes giving up that impartiality that you thought he had . No and heres why. Mr. Mueller made his report. Now, mr. Barr had two choices. He could have did what he did, give a summary and say i will release the properly redacted full report later or he could have said nothing. In the meantime, its apparently taking a while to no through the report to do the redactions. In the meantime, we have more rumor and innuendo and speculation and the longer you wait, chuck, the more risk you run its going to leak. Thats why hes got to be careful giving an unredacted copy to congress. Its not that congress cant handle it. Its that whens the last time you saw an important document given to the United States congress that didnt leak . Its never happened in the history of ever. I mean, its just not this is not. Trust me, talk to the Intel Committee. They do a pretty good job, sir. I love boating up Congress Like you do sometimes. But the Intel Committee does a pretty good job of keeping stuff classified. The Intel Committee is different. People know with the Intel Committee someone can get killed in terms of national security. You are talking about peoples lives. Im talking about policy issues that might involve grand jury testimony, might involve other investigations, deep, you dont honestly believe, are you a smart guy, chuck, that if bill barr turned over a document unredacted to the United Nations congress, spelling out whats going on in the other investigations, particularly the one in new york, of President Trump, you dont believe it wouldnt leak . We both know that. You are a common sense guy. I dont understand why barr cant go in a room with the chief counsel on the democratic side and the chief counsel on the republican side of the judiciary committees. They can watch him redact in real time and see what it is. There are ways to do this in a way that would create trust but verify. I would think it just doesnt seem like anybody is interested in it. Everybody wants to play politics with it. Everybody wants to spin it. This has been going on two years. Look, there are two groups of people here. There are one group of people who are disappointed in the result of mr. Muellers investigation, and theyre going to attack the process. They are wildly dishonest. You got another group of people that say, okay, mueller gave it his best call. Now i want to see the process and see how he reached his conclusion. Thats fair. Thats fair. But you cant release grand jury information. You cant release information about other fbi investigations. And you cant release National Intelligence information to congress. I wish you could, but theyre going to leak it. And you know that and i know that. I know. Thats why i do think cooler heads could prevail. You could create a small group. Again, thats too much common sense for our friends in congress. If we get a redacted report from bill barr where every third word is blacked out and there is no context and we cant them what it means, ill be right here next to my democratic colleagues saying this is in bad faith. But that hasnt happened yet. I dont think it will happen. I do think bill barr is a straight shooter. But even if you disagree with me on that, i think we can all agree, fair minded people anyway, hes not a moron. He is an intelligent guy. He is not going to put a document out there to pull the wool over smart peoples eyes. I dont believe it. If he does it, i will change my estimation of it. Fair enough, senator john kennedy, republican from louisiana, thank you for coming on and sharing your views. Thanks, chuck. Coming up, Bernie Sanders medicare for plan has some support of his 2020 rivals. Is it a prescription in the democratic primary . It a prescr democratic primary every day, visionaries are creating the future. So, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. The United States Postal Service makes more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. Because the future only happens with people who really know how to deliver it. 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Some people are acting like theyre afraid of him or his supporters or going against what bernie stands for, look for medicare for all, something 2 traditionally far left of his opponents. Some quickly jumped on board. They related when trump trump said he would make healthcare an issue in his 2020 election. Now they have to decide to navigate the debate . Do they rally around the sanders plan . Fight obamacare . Something they appear more in favor of, of course, all of this gets more confusing who the nominee is. Someone who cares is for manchin of vest virginia. Thank you for having many e. Im all right. Let me start with the idea of medicare for all. I have an idea where you are on this issue. But in a perfect world, is this something that if you thought it were feasible, you would try to make happen . Chuck, in a perfect world, we should be sitting down looking after every option before us or every idea a person asks . How do we get affordable Reliable Care to every american . Thats in a perfect world. Chuck, we cant even pay for medicare for some that already have it . We will be insolvent by 2026. Dont think we ought to fix that . We have Affordable Care act being attacked since its been introduced. 56 times they voted to repeal it. The sad scenario about this is Mitch Mcconnells had two bills on his desk. Bipartisan bills on his desk over a year first half, that would fix the problems weve identified if basically the high cost to the people that arent qualifying for any of the subsidies or the exchange. Let me ask you this. They wont fix what we got and want to talk about something hypothetical. Doesnt make sense. The Affordable Care act has never been fully implemented. Its been tried. It hasnt been fully implemented. We dont have the expanded medicaid. We dont know if its going to work or not work per se. Where are at what point do you decide, to scrap a system before you fully implement it . Im going to tell you one thing, im not voting to scrap it. Is it the bill i would have voted for . I cant say that, chuck. I would have tried everything i can to change the ban damain da give more on insurance. I wasnt here then. I got what i dpopt in front of me. I am not financial to sit back without a fight and allow people for the first time weve gotten insurance without trying to educate them how to use it. Its much more effective. Much more cost wise effective. Were not doing anything to penn help people, were going to take it away, are you abusing it. We have people for the first time in West Virginia getting care for mental ahealthcare and addiction. I have preexisting conditions, you want them to go back and saying the Insurance Company is in charge of your life . I got people in West Virginia used to tell me all the time, i dont want to be a burden to my family, joe. What theyre saying is we cant afford it. Let the good lord do what he will with me. Chuck, were better tan that. Let me ask you a politics question here. Okay. The democratic president ial primary, i feel the healthcare question does sort of allow us to really find out which side of this that theyre on. We know where bernie is. You have the four democratic colleagues of yours that have endorsed it. Kamela harris, corey booker, kirsten gilldebrand and elizabeth warren. There are democrats running basically saying lets do a medicare stop gap, maybe its medicare x, a public option, whatever you fame it. Its obamacare with extra help. Is that where you sit . Is that the lane youd rather be in . Im such a i dont know, i dont know what lane to put me in. I dont know if im in the passing lane, the park lane or the reverse lane. Because people are all over the board. Theyre going to do anything they can i guess right now moving with the windy, theyre all my friend. I have the utmost respect for all of them. The bottom line is i got a problem. The texas court ruled, the fifth circuit will rule. It might go to the supreme court. Im concerned, is attorney general barr going to enforce the law if its struck down by the courts that it is constitutional . And this is the law of the land. These are the things im fighting in front of me. I dont know why they cant we can talk about all this i said, listen, bring everybody in. Lets have something we have substantial. I got every hospital in West Virginia concern. Scared to death. I got every rural clinic scared to death that they cant make it. You unravel this thing, there is no going back. You are not putting the genie back in this bottle. I guess the question is, is there a weird perverse hope for bipartisanship here which is as you have a liberal alternative and medicare for all sitting out there that Bernie Sanders wants to set up. You suddenly is have republicans singing the praises of obamacare which is ironic and we can discuss that at a later date, suddenly there is a coalition of the willing to improve obamacare . I would think so. When john mccain, god rest his soul, when he voted no, you watched it happen. John mccain wasnt voting to save obamacare. He was voting because he knew we could fix it. We showed john all day long, john, heres the bills, we cant get mitch to move on. This is a bipartisan effort. John was everything about fixing problems, big policy problems, bipartisan. Thats why john voted no now we are going through all of this again. Maybe once we get through the court system. We might as well go clear to the supreme court. Chuck, there is no doubt i think theyre going to lose. They are going to lose, because this is constitutional. We did not wipe out. I voted against what they did. With that tax bill, they did not wipe out the intent or the law. They wiped out basically the funding mechanism. It can always come back . Very quickly. Do you have an idea of how you will make your decision about who you endorse for president . You know, there are so many good people here. Let me just say something. Joe, you got a proven in joe bind. The reason i say you have a proven, heres a man that has relations all around the world. He understands the international policy. And joes going to be formidable. You can see people were looking, past just the primary, going into the general election. Who could be formidable . Who could hit the ground running . Who doesnt have to have on the job training . So joe will be formidable. We have to wait to see if he gets in. These are all people with great intentions. I applaud all of them for having the desire to get out and hit the trail around the country. God police mr. Them all. Joes for joe. Good blesser, a gubernatorial candidate perhaps. Were always watching. Thank you, guy. Coming up, why Bernie Sanders medicare for all plan may have a lot more in common with President Trumps wall than you might think. Plus, im obsessed with something we actually truly have never seen before. Actually true never seen before. Safely. 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I dont know if theyll be successful. Bernie seems to be in the league right now but i think it is because he hasnt been seriously vetted yet. I wonder if there is a parallel on the right with bernie. He is saying, im the cure, liberalism in the purest form. Isnt that what you want in different ways. And then the establishment is somewhere else. I feel like i saw this primary. It happened in 16 a little bit. And remember, we had that. And you have candidates supporting this proposal, for is moderate voters, it seems pretty radical. A lot of people thought trump was too radical. But it is to energize the base. Donald trump would say not only to generate, energize his base but also to appeal to working class americans. I dont know with this proposal if you do that. Heres the tricky thing in primaries. Voters dont want to hear what cant be done. Bernie is telling them what can be done. They dont want to say, live in the real world. And klobuchar i think is the only democratic senator who is running who is not a cosponsor. Yes. What the four who are cosponsors are doing is saying, we think this is really cool. Were also interested in what we might do that would get part of the way which is i think the point all of you are making. That you have to be able to show some pragmatic value here, that maybe youre not as pie in the sky as some of the descriptions of medicare for all can look like. But they want to be on Team Medicare for all and team bernie. That clearly has some energy. They dont want to alienate the bernie crowd. But you cant be everything for everyone. In a primary, you have to try. Yes, we can. You put together a committee the evaluate the possibility of it. Thats what you have to do in a primary. Thats why Bernie Sanders was successful. You have to get people excited. The reality is theres never been a time in america where people say i want less health care. Even moderates, conservatives, even joe manchin. There are people in West Virginia who are die hard republican whos want more health care. And the democrats offering that. Over 80 of americans like their private health care. Thats a problem. Im not saying he will energize the base. He could be the democratic candidate. Highly unlikely. I am not in the highly unlikely im not there. He is so incredibly toxic with so many important constituencies. He is toxwick the establishment people who blame him for 2016. I dont think he can overcome that. I dont think joe biden would be this popular if bernie could fix it. I could literally say instead of saying bernie, say trump. Oh, the chamber of commerce doesnt like him. We saw this. We saw him fail. And i dont know that he can beat trump. And i dont know that they can do that. That is the biggest hurdle he has to face. Thank you. 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