have thrown their hats into the ring. chuck schumer and bernie sanders have thrown support behind ellison. we have idea to hear of hispanic or lateen owes signal their interest for the job. bottom line, the party was not prepared for any of this at all. they need a game plan and need one fast. joining me now is likely going to be one of the people. it's congressman javier basera from the house democratic caucus. great to see you. >> great to be with you. >> let me start with the protests of the streets. is this -- plenty of democratic leaders said understand the protest, but don't do the violence. is this the time to protest or not? what is your message to the protesters? >> civic participation and
restrictions for those who try to manipulate currency to get an advantage against the u.s.? >> those are things if he works on it, you want to work with him? >> we were talking about it way before donald trump. he will find democratic support in that direction, but if he wants to tell an immigrant family you can't stay in this country and tell a judge because of his heritage that he can't be a good judge, he will have someone fighting against him. >> i want to read you something harry reid wrote. it's tough. the election of donald trump is emboldened the forces of bigotry and hate. watching white nationalistings celebrate and others cry tears of fear does not feel like america. a sexual predator who lost the pop lawyer vote and fuelled his campaign with bigotry and hate. harsh words in there. i know many democrats believe everything that he said in there and she feeding that passion.
heritage, you can't be a good judge. we have to be ready to stand up. that anxiety that was expressed in this vote is where we have to as democrats convey to the families, got your back. >> it looks like there is a rush to endorse keith ellison. those are three pretty powerful names to get behind. it's almost a coronation. is it? so did the others have you heard. i don't think we are going to stop. they voted for democrats and
made it clear. we look like the rest of america. the party will reflect that very well. >> there is a danger. it turns out for all america. what do you say to that. >> we have their back as well. we have to prove to them. >> donald trump follows through and makes sure that jobs are coming back from joefr seas. we have been talking about that for a long time. i would love to hear how he was going to look to do that, but they fought laws that made sure we can keep jobs in america. we worked to make sure that rural america has the support it needs making sure we have affordable health care and not getting rid of something they benefitted from. >> president-elect trump was asked about obamacare and talked upkeeping preexisting conditions and keeping kids on health care. does that make you feel a little better? >> it makes it clear that what he said as candidate he can no
longer say as president-elect. >> there are great candidates out there right now. >> that's not a no. >> i am not looking to run. >> for recruited? >> that was the asked that was asked about vice presidency. >> california governor. that's closer to no. thanks for coming in. >> certainly no shortage of ideas in the democratic party and how to right the ship. here's howard dean making his pitch to run the dnc earlier today on msnbc with my colleague. >> we have a lot of work to do in the democratic party. my plan is to reach out to young people. they are devastated by the loss and now understands that politics matters.
i like keith ellison a lot. he's a good guy. you cannot do this job and sit in a political office at the same time. it's not possible. we have seen what happens. debbie wassermann schultz was not the only one to do this. this is more than a full time job and we have to rebuild of what has been a tragedy for the democratic party, but perhaps for the country. we don't know. this is a big rebuilding job and i like keith. i would be happy to help and support him, but not if he is going to sit in congress. a large number of dnc members believe that. >> there you go. let's bring in the panel. the former chairman, michael steel. "washington post" fix boss and political analyst and "the washington post" deputy ruth marcus. hello all. michael steel, you run for a chairmanship before. you know what it's like.
it's not one on cable. explain how you win. >> it is on tarmacs and in board rooms and barns. wherever you find your committee men and women. you have to go to them. we rented a plane and erp on commercial flights. to run for chairman is at least a 50 to $60,000 proposition. you have to raise money for it and get the grass roots and knock on doors and call people. >> it's small for voters. >> here's the thing. 168 for the republicans and four times that. >> what a surprise. >> it seems like the field will get big in a hurry. >> that's right. >> i heard about it. >> you heard them say there are other good people if you run. he could be one of them. >> you heard his name, a younger
up and coming star in the democratic party as well. martin o'malley has thrown his name in the ring. we will see more. >> it's an interesting thing because this always happens when you lose an election and particularly when you think you will win as a party. there are several camps that diagnose what you need to do differently. this is the smartest political person not in the white house. progressive. a person of color. it's an interesting argument because you look at where they lost. maybe you say those states are gone in the future, but they lost parts of pennsylvania and they lost parts of michigan and ohio. i could make a strong case for someone like joe biden with that
profile. >> i will give you a name. the lone wolf screaming about that. >> he is a grown up and a governor. he is a veteran of this administration. he knows rural america. he has been talking about opioid abuse. he was there to fix the mecha c mechani mechanics. i would argue a lot of people. ed you to be a spokesperson and a mechanic. they wanted you out in public. >> they didn't want that. that's different. they don't know what the committee members want.
>> if i could offer up a word of caution. the base is making it clear. i would not assume that because you label a congressman a progressive that that's where progressives in california and florida and progressives elsewhere have their head. they need to be careful because they can do it before it launches. democrat i republican, across the board. they are about the grass roots. they are about something different than what you see in washington. this is a power vacuum that 72 hours ago. no one thought they were going to exist. it's like a black hole. the opportunity that now exists.
let's assume obama is on the stage. there is a lot of opportunity there. that's why you will see more people. wait a minute. now is the time. it's so unexpected. >> everybody will have so many other kids to scramble after. this is the only that is left. i had an e-mail from a reader who said please can you get michelle obama to run for it? >> she is not going to do dnc chair. >> as if. >> i want to play for you, i get what you are saying about washington. elizabeth warren is popular with the base. >> people have a right to be angry. angry that wages have been stagnant for a generation. angry that washington eagerly
protects the tax breaks for billionaires while it refuses to raise the minimum wage. angry that washington pushes big corporate interests in trade deals. angry that washington tilts the playing field for giant corporations. angry that working people are in debt. >> my producer listened to that and he said sounds like a progressive trump. channel in anger. >> we have been talking throughout the campaign that the thing that hillary clinton has never been able to be and cannot be is a pop lift when that's what people were looking for. that's no secret. i thought donald trump had done and said things image-wise that would make him unsatisfactory as an alternative, but she was not a good fit not only for the democratic primary, but for a
general electorate. that is angry. >> the speech is fascinating. she identifies specific areas of potential agreement for president trump. it will be interesting to so how they decided to work with him. >> a programming note, michael moore will join us at 8:00 p.m. eastern on to discuss the country's reaction to the election and to the protest movements. coming up, the one fact that should have told us all along that donald trump would win the election. how did we miss it?
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inexperienced and not having the right temperament and some were attacked for both. you know what else? each got the support of blue collar voters, working class voters over candidates with more experience and the deeper resumes. think about it. carey, clinton. my gosh. when folks are living paycheck to paycheck, they want something better than now and they gravitate to something different. it's simple in hindsight and we forget the power of the changed candidate and changed message and inexperience ends up being the asset to those voters. let me bring in the next guest. chris clay is policy editor for dtn's progressive farmer. he is a journalist that covers and lives in rural america.
>> you had a powerful analysis of what happened the trump-pence signs or the hillary for prison 2016 signs. there were not a clinton cane signs. explain why hillary clinton was so unpopular in rural america and whether there was anything she could have done about it. >> there were so many factors with hillary. he was unable in iowa to beat president obama in 2008. she barely scratched out a victory over bernie sanders in the caucuses and that was contested. they had resentment or unwillingness to embrace her.
she was not able to catch on and communicate with your average rural blue collar worker or farmer. >> what moved the obama voting iowan in some of those farm communities in northeast iowa, traditional democratic area, i can't believe the counties that flipped. why did these obama voters become trump voters? >> in 2012 you had really strong farm economy at that point. farmland prices were really strong. farm commodity prices were good. right now commodity prices have continued to slip. now you are seeing actually the
federal reserve start to stress that the farmers are now tight on working cash and they are going to the lenders more. the farmers themselves are much more stressed. the counties that obama won, they had a lot of dairy farmers up there and a lot of very commodity producers and overall they were not as willing to give another chance to a democrat this time around. >> they want to throw you a few questions. >> tell us what attracted. you have given us a wonderful vision of what the concerns were. what was the attraction of donald trump? change in one sense. there was also a belief among some people that he will be able
to make changes to these trade agreements. i think that might be tough. we export a lot of commodities under nafta right now. it might be more difficult to actually find markets in mexico and canada that are not already accepting our crops and wheat and dairy products and things like that. but also just the regulatory issues. that was something that a lot of people didn't dmee on. there is a rule under the epa called the waters of the u.s. every farm group in the country. liberal and conservative. they have hammered on the issue. they want to get rid of it. they are terrified of it. if you read the rule, it is mind-numbing what it does. clinton supported it. trump continued to hammer he was going to get rid of the rule
from day one. that was a key point. they believe that the regulatory yolk will be lifted off of them and as far as farmers were correspond, that drove them in a big way. >> in addition to the economic narrative, how did the social narrative play out? with the descriptions of the rural america and the talk about deplorables and the language that sort of cropped up in this election, how did that play in effect the thinking of farmers and people, middle class workers in your area? >> it's difficult because honestly a lot of farmers and rural people really gravitate towards conservative media. they were maybe not hearing so much or paying as close attention to trump's rhetoric. there might have been a belief that they didn't take trump
literally and took him seriously. it was a phrase i had heard used once. they also heard media that constantly hammered on clinton's trustworthiness. among e van gel kals, there was a strong belief and christianity and faith has been lost in the country. i had the same conversation with a man from my church a few weeks ago and he was really hammering on that point that he did not believe that the democrats put much emphasis on god and christianity any longer. i know that's not the case, but that is a perception. >> chris? >> a lot of the analysis, particularly among democrats and liberal democrats said it was all about race. donald trump appealed to our
darker natures, particularly in some of these more rural communities. you offered a more nuanced take about it. can you -- how much of people you talked to in your reporting, how much did race come up if at all. it may not have because people are uncomfortable to talk about it, but is it a factor if not the factor? >> i think immigration issue is a huge factor in rural america. people are concerned they are losing their culture somewhat. they are uncomfortable around seeing increasing minorities in particular areas that don't speak their language. don't go to the same churches they grew up with. those kinds of things. it was a concern, but you take a look at iowa. barack obama won iowa twice. hillary clinton got clobbered in
rural iowa. it wasn't that she lost the counties i but by such a wide margin. it couldn't have been race because these upper midwest states supported obama twice and turned away from clinton in droves. >> i have to leave it there. we have about 17 more questions for you. i have a feeling that hopefully you will be a familiar face to our viewers. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you for having me. >> you guys are stuck. >> anyway. >> donald trump's transition team is in transition. a big name is out and a new big name is back in. stay with us. ♪ see ya next year.
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>> in the fast moving world of the transition, chris christie is out and mike pence is in. the transition team does now include three of donald trump's children and his son in law. what may be a related note to staffing at the trump white house, we learned that trump's former campaign manager and still an on again off again personal adviser resigned officially from his job at cnn. the new team includes my next guest, congressman chris collins, the first member of congress to endorse donald trump. welcome back and congratulations. >> chuck, it has been a whirl wind and before we start, i want to thank the veterans today on veterans day for their service to the country and tell you how
honored i was to present five gold medals to world war ii tus keegee air men. >> that are is amazing. any day you get to spend with a world war ii veteran, you need to cherish. they have unbelievable stories. let me start with your role. can you explain what your is what what advise you are being asked to give? >> i will be a member on executive council along with donald's kids and ivanka's husband and great other members. it's going to be a job of vetting the candidates for the 4,000 or so positions. 350 in the west wing. we will see when the new executive director, how we divvy that out. none of that has been detailed.
we put this together today. when we are back monday in d.c., we will detail more of it out. i'm honored to being asked to serve on this council. >> one of the challenges i feel like you will face is similar to what barack obama faced when he got here. he ran as an outsider and promised that you weren't going to see the same types of people. he didn't use the phrase drain the swamp, but it was implied with turn the page. donald trump used drain the swamp. there are only so many people with the right amount of experience to do these jobs. how to you make sure that you are bringing in people that aren't just coming from the other side and the rules you hope will prevend that oh, geez it's just the republicans and
they are in charge and vice-versa? less regulation and getting back to the federal government and doing what it should, but relying on the states and the tenth amendment to do the rest. the division starts with president-elect trump. we get into the cabinet officials and people believe in smaller government and less regulations. that's a mantra that we have. you are going to need institutional knowledge. no question. we just need to make sure that those bringing in the institutional knowledge that served in various roles also understand less regulations. i do believe i will work.
you can marry those two, but it starts with a strong division that everyone adheres to. >> i was struck by a comment that trent lott made. he wants to drain the swamp and some of them have to help us navigate his way in and out of the swamp. the point that was lobbyists and the community that are a necessary evil. what's your view on that? we are talking about the folks that are doing the nuts and bolts of keeping our government running. knowing that we have a different vision and we need the skill sets. they will have to understand that it's a smaller government, less regulation and
understanding where the federal government starts and stops and state's rights starts and stops. i don't think we need any lobbyists coming in. >> would you propose anybody who has been a registered lobbyist that shouldn't be able to serve in the trump cabinet? >> i never go to extremes like that, but in vetting we have to know where their values are and what the focus is. it ams can back to the vision of smaller government and less regulation and state's rights and clearly what donald trump talked about whether it's n an all of the above policy or when we replace obamacare and making sure we don't disadvantage everyday americans and we won't. it's a monumental task that i'm up to and others are as well. >> we will have more time to do that. congressman chris collins, thanks for coming on.
always good to talk with you. >> you too. have a great day. >> on "meet the press," i will talk to one of the key figures who helped make donald trump president and a fresh perspective on what went so wrong for hillary clinton and the democrats. why i'm already obsessed with the next big election fight. student. if you're totally blind, you may also be struggling with non-24. calling 844-844-2424. or visit my24info.com.
good news democrats got on tuesday. what? recent election cycles have followed this pattern. democrats win wednesday and republicans win everything else. the party out of power usually does. while democrats win the white house, the republicans have wiped out the democratic party on the state and local level. now the situation that gives the democrats a chance could be reversed and it could happen in 2018 which might be the perfect year for the democrats to win statehouses, win a few legislatures, replenish the system, and don't forget governorships f. they have success in 2018, suddenly that's the year that state legislatures will be drawing congressional districts after the 2020 census. they will be there in 2021 if they win. if you are looking for lemonade after all these lemons, that's
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protesting. and i think there's a lot of unhappiness in the country and it's probably good to let that out. i think where it goes too far is, obviously, in violence, and it also goes too far when you talk about calling for his impeachment. that's just as wrong as it would be, to talk about hillary clinton's impeachment. >> well, it was just as bad when jason chaffetz was talking about -- >> ridiculous then and progressives attacked it. it's ridiculous now and conservatives are -- >> yeah, he was elected. a lot of people, myself included, were not happy with that outcome, but it is the democratic outcome. popular vote notwithstanding. we solve our problems in america through elections. >> beauty of the ballot box. >> he won. and you don't have to like that, but he won. people say, well, he didn't win the popular vote, but that's not how the system works. >> those aren't the rules. >> somebody made a great point, i saw on twitter, like saying, well, we got the most hits in baseball, so we won.
well, we don't do it on hits. my ap, john, said it better. he said, yeah, one team can hit five home runs and the other team can hit two, but if all theirs are solo and the others are five-run homers, you lose. >> i'm with ruth. part to have democracy is we respect the result and we respect the rights of people to say, you know what, i want to voice my concern with that. the thing that i don't like about it is the attempt to de-legitimatize trump. simply because you don't believe him doesn't mean that the 59 million people who voted for him were wrong or it's rigged in some way. he won! you have the right to protest. civilly, without violence. but it doesn't -- >> michael, what's donald trump's responsibility here? because, he -- look, he blew it last night. obviously, he woke up and realized -- self-corrected. >> self-corrected! >> corrected, one way or
another. >> it got corrected. >> it got corrected. and you know, you know, basically, crisis averted -- what could have been his first crisis, averted. but it is on him to calm the water, whether he likes it or not. >> my take on that is very simple. you're president and a lot of stuff is going to be coming. incoming every day. it's not personal. it's your job. and you cannot react the way you did initially and i think someone or the at least he did realize that. i think for donald trump, what he has an opportunity to do now, he's the first president in a long time to be elected the unencan you remembune unencumber unencumbered. he's not beholden to the democrats or the republicans. so he in my view can create an opportunity for pragmatic populism, where he can go out into the country and put together the deals that makes america great again, but more importantly, addresses issues like we see on the streets right now and also addresses issues that go to the economic heart of the country. >> hey, i want to bring up
something. we didn't get a chance to sort of debrief after talking with chris clayton. there was one other point. chris clayton makes on my podcast, 1947, ding ding, be sure to download it. >> and subscribe. >> there you go. he said, the way we in the media analyzed the policies and talked about the split between college-educated whites and noncollege-educated whites. get what america heard when we did that? >> dumb. >> the smart people and the dumb people. just because you didn't go to college doesn't make you dumb. and clinically, when we would describe it, when i would describe it, it was an academic, clinical -- >> but that's not how it was taken. >> i've been guilty of this. i said, i think it was on a different network, i described uneducated voters -- >> you know what, they're plenty educated. >> that was wrong. and i wanted to take this to a responsibility that the president-elect has. he has said a lot of things that were hurtful to people.
they are protesting in the streets in a way that they wouldn't have protest romney, that they didn't protest president bush after he settled. he needs to be aware of that. >> i'm sorry. time cop! sorry! guess what, we can talk about it in ten seconds while we throw to break. thank you, michael, chris, and ruth. wonderful comments, ruth. thank you for saying those, as well. we'll be right back.

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