Democratic party a governorship here in this state, not just denying black people or people of color the right to vote, but we also have a system through Citizens United which allows billionaires to buy elections. So what we need to do, simple and straightforward in every state in this country through the federal government, if you are 18, you have a right to vote, end of discussion. We have to overturn Citizens United. We need to move toward public funding of elections. On this last point, mr. Steyer. I agree with exactly what bernie said, but i want to talk about how were going to win in 2020. I dont mean to change the subject, but i think its sort of important that the Democratic Party not only beat donald trump in 2020, but have a sweeping victory across the country. And what thats going to mean is turnout. In the United States of america, the Democratic Party keeps talking about trying to persuade a few people who are republicans to like us when up to half the people dont vote at all because they think Neither Party tells the truth. No one deals with my issues. The system is broken. Why would we vote . But what weve found at next gen america is that is the start of a conversation about why votes are so important, and if you look at 2018 and flipping the house, what really happened was democratic voting went up by three quarters. In the 38 congressional districts where Nextgen America was turning out young people, the turnout went up by more than 100 . It more than doubled. So for us to win, for everybody on this stage, for whoever is the candidate to have a senate thats democratic, for us to have the sweeping victory that we absolutely are going to have next year, its a turnout question. Were going to have to tell the truth, and were going to have to organize across this country. Thank you very much. It is time at this point it is well past time if im honest to start closing statements, and we are going to start tonight with senator booker. Thank you, rachel. Its an honor to be here tonight. I have not yet qualified for the december stage and need your help to do that. If you believe in my voice and that i should be up here, please go to corybooker. Com. Please help. I had a closing statement prepared but i saw in the audience during the break a man named john lewis. Programs it perhaps its interesting and important for me to mention why im sa grateful to him. Ive been calling in this election for our need to fight and fight the right way by bringing people together to create transformative change. I am literally here on this stage right now because 50 years ago there was a lawyer on a couch who changed his life, changed his mind to get up and start representing families, one of them mine, who were discriminated against. The house i grew up in is because of that lawyers activity. When i asked him why, why he did what he did, he told me that on march 7th, 1965, he was watching a movie called judgment at n nurenberg and he saw john lewis and other marchers who were beaten viciously by Alabama State troopers. We all owe a debt that we cannot repay. We all drink deeply from wells of liberty that we did not dig. This is a moment in america where we need a leader in america that can inspire us to get up and fight again. That we have truly a moral moment in america like it was back in 1965. If you give me a chance to leave, i will cause what john lewis says is good trouble. I will challenge us. I will ask more from you than any other president has ever asked before because we need to mobilize a new american movement. Thank you, senator. Keep me on this stage. Keep me on this race. It is time we fight and fight together. Please go to corybooker. Com. Senator booker, thank you very much. Mr. Steyer, your closing statement. Last time i was on this stage, i started by saying everybody here is more patriot and more competent than the criminal in the white house, and i stand by that statement. But im different from everybody else on this stage. I know that the government in washington, d. C. Is broken. I know that its been purchased by corporations, and ive spent a decade putting together coalitions of ordinary american citizens to beat those corporations. Im the only one on this stage whos willing to talk about structural change in washington itself, term limits, that if were going to make bold changes, were going to need new and different people in charge. Im the only person on this stage who spent decades building an international business. Whoever of us is the democratic nominee is going to have to face mr. Trump or the republican and talk about the economy, talk about growth, understand that we can make mr. Trump what he is, a fraud and a failure on the economy, which is his strong point. Im the only person on this stage who will say that climate is my first priority, that its our biggest challenge, but its our biggest opportunity to recreate this country. If you want to beat mr. Trump, if you want to break the corporate stranglehold on this government, if you want to pass all of the progressive policies that everyone on this stage wants, im the person who can do it. Thank you, mr. Steyer. I have spent a decade trusting the American People thank you, mr. Steyer. Im asking you to trust me. Thank you. Congresswoman gabbard, go ahead. My personal commitment to you, to all of my fellow americans, is to treat you with respect and compassion, something that we in hawaii call aloha. Every Single Person deserves to be treated with respect regardless of race, religion, or gender, or even your politics. Inclusion, unity, respect, aloha, these will be the operating principles for my administration. Now, dr. Martin luther king visited hawaii first back in 1959 where he expressed his appreciation for what we call the aloha spirit. He said, we look to you for inspiration as a bold example for what you have already succeeded in the areas of racial harmony and Racial Justice where we are still struggling to achieve in other sections of the country. He later went on to say, as i looked out at the various faces and various cloud covers mingled together like the waters of the sea, i see of racial harmony, of Racial Justice, peace, inclusion, and true equality, working side by side. Lets make dr. Kings dream our reality. Thank you, congresswoman. Mr. Yang, your turn. Im here with my wife, evelyn tonight. We have two young boys, christopher and damian. How many of you all are parents like us here in the room . So if youre a parent, youve had this thought. Maybe youve been afraid to express it, and it is this. Our kids are not all right. Theyre not all right because were leaving them a future that is far darker than the lives that we have led as their parents. We are going through the greatest Economic Transformation in our countrys history, the fourth industrial revolution, and it is pushing more and more of our people to the side. We talk as if donald trump is a cause of all of our problems. He is not. He is a symptom, and we need to cure the disease. Now, my first move was not to run for president of the United States because i am not insane. My first move was to go to d. C. , talk to our leaders, and say, technology is ripping us apart. Immigrants are being scapegoated. Our kids are being left behind, and the American Dream that my parents came here to find is dying before our eyes. And the people in washington, d. C. Had nothing for this. They dont want to touch it. They dont want to talk about an issue they dont think they have a solution for. Im not running for president because ive fantasized about being president. Im running for president because like many of you here in this room tonight, im a parent and a patriot, and i have seen the future that were leaving for our kids, and its not something im willing to accept. We need to create a new way forward for our people. If you want to join us in rewriting the rules of the 21st century economy, go to yang2020. Com and make it so that we can look our kids in the eyes and say to them and believe it, your country loves you. Your country values you. And you will be all right. Thank you, mr. Yang. [ applause ] senator klobuchar. The nation was riveted this week by the testimony in washington. One of the people we heard from yesterday was Lieutenant Colonel vindman. And what he said was he spoke to his immigrant father, and he said in this country, you can tell the truth, and its going to be fine. It reminded me of army counsel years and years ago in the mccarthy hearings, someone from iowa actually, mr. Welch, who said, have you no sense of decency, sir . I want us to remember that this election is, yes, an economic check on this president. And i have bold ideas that we can do to go forward as a country to make college more affordable and bring down the cost of health care, yes. But this is also a patriotism check, a value check, a decency check. And when you look at the people that turned out in kentucky and turned out in virginia, people turned out that didnt vote in 2016. Africanamericans are turning out like we didnt see before. But we also and they must be with us, and we must get our fired up Democratic Base with us. But we also lets get those independents and moderate republicans who cannot stomach this guy anymore. This is how we build a coalition so we dont just beat donald trump. We bring the u. S. Senate to some sense. We send Mitch Mcconnell packing. This is how we win. So if you want to join us and remember that this wont be for me a personal victory. It will be a National Victory of someone that wins in red districts and suburban purple districts and bright blue districts every single time. If you want to join us and if you believe that our work doesnt end on election day but begins on inauguration day, join us. A amyklobuch amyklobuchar. Com. Senator harris. So were in a fight. This is a fight for our rule of law, for our democracy, and or four system of justice. And its a fight we need to win. And to fight this fight, i believe we have to have the ability to not only have a nominee who can go toe to toe with donald trump and i have taken on jeff sessions. I have taken on bill barr. I have taken on brett kavanaugh. I know i have the ability to do that. We also need someone who can unify the party and the country and who has the experience of having done that. Ive done that work. I believe we need someone who has the ability to speak to all the people regardless of their race, their gender, their party affiliation, where they live geographically, or the language their grandmother speaks. My entire career has been spent having one client and one client only, the people. I have never represented a corporation. I have never represented a special interest. And in this election, justice and the various injustices people are facing, regardless of where they live or their race or gender, are very much on the ballot from Economic Justice to reproductive justice to Health Care Justice to educational justice. And i truly believe that when we overcome these injustices, we will then unlock the potential of the American People and the promise of america, and thats the america i believe in. Thats the america i see. And that is why im running for president. Thank you, senator harris. Mayor buttigieg, go ahead. Well, first of all, i want to remark that were in the city of atlanta, a city where a great local leader, maynard jackson, helped create the black middle class that atlanta is known by, by ensuring that taxpayer dollars were spent in a way that reflected the need to expand opportunity to those who were excluded. And just as local leaders have shown great leadership, we need to use the powers of the presidency on challenges like this, expanding opportunity and expanding a sense of belonging to those who have been excluded in this country. Im not only running to defeat donald trump. I am running to prepare for the day that begins when donald trump has left office, to launch the era that must come after trump. That era must be characterized not by exclusion but by belonging. And so must our campaign. I am inviting progressives who have agreed on these issues weve been talking about tonight all along. Moderates who are ready to be part of this ole kis coalitio. And disgusted by what is happening in their own party and in this country. I want you to know everybody is welcome in this movement that were building and everyone is welcome in this future we must create. Join this effort and help us create a better era for the American People beginning in november 2020. Thank you. Senator sanders. Thank you. Let me see a word about myself. Unusual as it may seem. I am the son of an immigrant young man of 17 who came to this country without a nickel in his pocket. I have some sense of the immigrant experience. I stand with the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country. At the age of 21, as a member of a Civil Rights Group at the university of chicago, i was arrested, spent the night in jail, and i have been committed to the fight against all forms of discrimination racial discrimination, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, and religious bigotry. I will lead an administration that will look like america, will end the divisiveness brought by trump and bring us together. During in campaign, i am proud to say that i have received more Campaign Contributions than any candidate at this point in an election in american history, over 4 million contributions averaging 18 apiece. If you want to be part of a movement that is not only going to beat trump but transform america, that doesnt have a superpac, doesnt do fundraisers at wealthy peoples homes, please join us at berniesanders. Com. Thank you. Senator warren, the floor is yours. So thank you. You know, i listened to this debate tonight, and i hear a lot of really good ideas, but i take a look at the issues weve talked about. Weve talked about climate change, defense spending, private Health Insurance. We should have talked about gun violence. What do these issues have in common . First, they touch people all over this country in their everyday lives. What is the second thing they have in common . We know what we need to do. We have a lot of good ideas for how to fix it and the majority of americans are with us on it. And yet we dont make change. Why not . Because of corruption. Because we have a government that works better for Big Drug Companies than it does for people trying to fill a prescription. It works better for a giant Defense Industry than it does for everyone who worries about the money that goes into arms instead of into our public schools. We have a government that works for those at the top and not for anyone else. I have the biggest anticorruption plan since watergate. It involves ending lobbying as we know it, blocking the revolving door between industry and washington, making everyone who runs for federal office put their tax returns online. We have to have the courage not to make just individual changes, not to fight for little pieces. We want to make Real Progress on climate. Then we have to start by attacking the corruption that gives the oil industry and other fossil fuel industries a stranglehold over this country. I am so grateful to be here, and i am grateful to an america that gave the daughter of a janitor a chance to become a public schoolteacher, a chance to b become a college professor, a chance to become a United States senator, and a chance to become a candidate for president of the United States. Thank you. Vice president biden, your closing statement. I assume when were talking about the corruption of the federal government, we werent talking about president obama and his spotless administration that made so much progress. But one thing we havent talked about here today, we havent talked about the one thing i think is most consequential. You know, the American People have an enormous opportunity. Theres incredible, incredible ive never been more optimistic about our prospects in my entire career, and i got elected as a 29yearold kid to the United States senate. Folks, we are in a position where were the wealthiest nation in the world. Our workers are more productive than workers around the world. We have more Great Research universities than all of the rest of the world combined. Were in a position where weve led not by the example of our power but by the power of our example. Im so tired of everyone walking around, woe is me, what are we going to do . Lets remember this is the United States of america. There has never, ever, ever been a time when we set our mind to do something, weve been unable to do it. Never, never, never. So its time to remember to get up. Lets take back this country and lead the world again. Its within our power to do it. Get up and take it back Vice President biden, thank you. Let me take this opportunity to thank all of the candidates for a spirited and excellent debate. I want to thank all of you, and i want to tell you that on msnbc tonight, my colleague Brian Williams is going to pick up our coverage in just a moment. I also want to thank everybody here in the audience. I want to thank the city of atlanta. And from all of us here, thank you so much for watching. Our thanks as well and a Job Well Done to our friends and colleagues in atlanta. Good evening from new york once again from our nbc news headquarters here. Another democratic debate is now history. This seemingly endless runup to the 2020 president ial election continues on day 1,035 of the this trump administration, which was a withering and relentless day of american politics. Starting with what started out as a blowtorch of a witness in the house impeachment inquiry, ending just now as we all saw on the stage in atlanta. Ten candidates appearing after for the true believers what was an 11hour day for television viewers. The Trump Presidency was an early issue on that stage tonight. We have a criminal living in the white house. Ambassador sondland, by his own words, told us that everyone was in the loop. That means it is a criminal enterprise engaged in by the president , from what we heard today, the Vice President , the secretary of state, and the chief of staff. I learned something about these impeachment trials. I learned, number one, that donald trump doesnt want me to be the nominee. Secondly, i found out that Vladimir Putin doesnt want me to be president. Sadly, we have a president who is not only a pathological liar, he is likely the most corrupt president in the modern history of america. Read the mueller report. All 442 pages of it that showed how the president tried to obstruct justice, and when congress failed to act at that moment, and that the president felt free to break the law again and again and again. Thats whats happened with ukraine. I have made it very clear that this is impeachable conduct, and ive called for an impeachment proceeding. I just believe our job as jurors is to look at each count and make a decision. The constitutional process of impeachment should be beyond politics, and it is not a part of the campaign. But the president s conduct is. We also heard from joe biden about how he might deal with a possible criminal investigation into President Trump. Would you support a potential criminal investigation into President Trump after he leaves office even if you thought it might further inflame the countrys divisions . Look, i would not direct my Justice Department like this president does. Id let them make their independent judgment. I would not dictate who should be prosecuted or who should be exonerated. Thats not the role of the president of the United States. Its the attorney general of the United States, not the president s attorney, private attorney. Let them make an independent judgment. If that was the judgment, that he violated the law and he should be, in fact, criminally prosecuted, then so be it. But i would not direct it. We have a full complement of our extended people and friends here with us to cover what was, again, a monumental news day in america. In the spin room in atlanta tonight, grabbing the candidates as they come by, Chris Matthews, host of hardball on this net work. And here in new york, claire mccaskill, former democratic u. S. Senator from the great state of missouri. Eugene robinson, steve schmidt, a veteran of john mccains campaign. And lawrence odonnell, host of the last word. At the big board, our national correspondent, Steve Kornacki. Claire, id like to begin with you. I think as a point of information, everyone agreed this was a superbly well moderated debate tonight. Total control over candidates, material, and audience in the room as far as i could tell. Id be fine if they were named permanent debate moderators. There was a moment that caused cringes late in the evening. I want to say in the last 30 minutes. It involved booker, biden, and harris. Well air it, and then well talk about it. I have a lot of respect for the Vice President. He is swore me into my office as a hero. This week i hear him literally say that i dont think we should legalize marijuana. I thought you might have been high when you said it. Im part of that obama coalition. I come out of the black community in terms of my support. If you noticed, i have more people supporting me in the black community because any know me. They know who i am. Three former chairs of the black caucus, the only africanamerican woman that had ever been elected to the United States senate, a whole range of people. No. My point is. The other one is here. I said the first. I said the first africanamerican woman. The first. Claire mccaskill, hayes correction there at the end was he meant the first. He meant the first. But it was slightly awkward. You know, joe biden is enjoying strong support in the black community right now, far eclipsing the support of Kamala Harris and cory booker. That has to be frustrating, and i understand the points theyre trying to make. Im not sure that it worked although i have so much respect for both kamala and cory. Theyre both dear friends of mine. But i think thats what youre seeing is that joe biden is so invincible in South Carolina because his numbers are so much higher than in fact, so are Elizabeth Warrens and Bernie Sanders, i believe, in terms of support in the black community. So part of this is these candidates are trying to get more familiar to black voters, and i think that was one of the efforts that was being made tonight by both cory booker and Kamala Harris. Eugene . Yeah, i think several candidates were making that effort tonight. Ill get to buttigieg in a minute. But, you know, that moment, look, that was one of the bidenisms. There were a couple of others in this debate. Hes been spouting bidenisms for his entire career. I mean he misspeaks all the time, and he has done so for a long time. But i actually think that there were he had some really good moments in this debate. When he was talking and then when the debate turned to Foreign Affairs and he talked about the khashoggi murder, saudi arabia, he talked about how he would deal with china, how he saw that relationship, i thought he sounded authoritative in a way that showed his experience and his stature as Vice President. And overall, it was kind of a biden day, right, because we watched an impeachment hearing for hours and hours, and all this talking of biden. Dozens of times. I thought he did pretty well. Let me interrupt you there because rachel is with us. First of all, you may kill me because i just said that it would be perfectly fine if you four were named permanent standing debate moderators, and im sorry about that. Yeah, i thought you were my friend. Yeah, im sorry. That is also another way of saying again, Job Well Done. And i would never ask you for a judgment, but i will ask you because there is always news value in the hall, especially even during breaks, during the runup that we in the Television Audience arent able to see or feel or hear, what was your news judgment in the hall about things we werent privy to . You know, its interesting. I was thinking about what i could tell you that you could get from here that you couldnt necessarily get through the skeen. And i think one of the interesting dynamics, and i dont know where it comes from, but i think the crowd, i think the audience here was like in class at the start. Like it was they were absorbing. You could have heard a pin drop for a very long time for the whole initial part of the debate. Certainly you heard people react. Youd hear small gasps or youd hear murmurs or hear people reaction. But i think as the crowd sort of warmed as the candidates started to go at each other more, and there ended up being almost a little bit of a call and response with some of the candidates at the end. I thought senator harris evoked quite a bits of that and senator booker as well, what you could see through the screen from the nature of those little kennetin moments. I felt sitting here like these ten candidates are getting a chance to put their best foot forward and make their best case. Even when theyre fight, its mutually respectful. Ill fe right now im just glad we survived. Finally, before we let you go, control over audience response, outbursts, reaction, was remarkable. When ive done these things in the past, with he try to ask them to keep it to a minimum because it takes away from debate time. How did you do that tonight, you four . You know, part of it, i think, is the professionalism of the women who i was moderating with. Each of them is just nails. These are like its great to have four women moderators and thats almost like a novelty thing. I think people have been talking less than we ought to have talked about, about how ashley parker, kristen welker, and Andrea Mitchell are people you would not want to meet in a dark alley if they were mad at you. You just dont push them around. Thats palpable, like force fields around them. I think that really helped. I will also say, brian, and i know you appreciate these kind of things that the Technical Staffing of this debate, and the technical production of this debate was flawless. Sometimes at events like this with lots of different voices, sometimes what goes wrong is that people cant necessarily hear whats happening and the moderators arent confident you can hear us over the applause. And the candidates arent confident you can hear them over the crowd or each other. Here technically it was a flawless setup both in terms of the Tyler Perry Studios and our own production team. I think that actually just made it easier for all of us to keep order. The technical stuff is one of the things our team is really good at. The moderating stuff is sadly for you, one of the things youre really good at. Rachel maddow, enjoy the rest of your evening unless you have other plans. Thank you very much for joining us live from the venue tonight. Into the spin room we go. Chris matthews with senator klobuchar. Chris . Thank you very much, brian. I noticed something tonight that is growing within each debate. Yes. With each debate. It is a real San Andreas Fault in the Democratic Party tonight. You can talk all about you dont like trump, but bernie wont even agree with that. His first chance tonight, and he basically said this isnt about getting rid of trump. This is about my big social democratic revolution i want to start, going through the same old litany of numbers. He doesnt accept your argument th , and then you and buttigieg and the Vice President , former Vice President , all argued you have to go for a larger audience than just the hard left. Exactly. He doesnt accept that. And Elizabeth Warren damn well doesnt accept it either. Thats the fight, isnt it. It is. But i also think in the end were going to be able to unify. Which way . Within our party. Whos going to win . The moderates or the left . I will. I wouldnt be up here if i didnt think so. I think we will be able to work this out because we did it in many past elections. What unites us is so much stronger than what divides us. And what i dont like about this is that when you look at just what happened in kentucky, in virginia, and they continue to make the case for free everything, and as i said today, i know these things sound good on a Bumper Sticker and maybe they want to throw in a free car, but i really dont think that is what people want. They want a fair shake. They want opportunity. Thats why my bold ideas, which involve a nonprofit public option which will bring down the costs of health care in a big way and take on the pharmaceutical companies, their fight is not just with me. It is also with the new governor of kentucky. It is also with those new members in the house that put nancy pelosi in as speaker. And thats what we have to remember here. What do you think when you hear a candidate say, im going to get you preschool. Were going to fpay for it all across the country. Were going to have health care if not immediately, within three years for everybody. Everybodys going to get free health care. So heres what i didnt get a chance to say today. When it comes to education, we should be matching our Education System with the jobs in our economy. To me that means, no, you dont just make everything free, and you dont pay for free college for rich kids. Look at this, the Fastest Growing degrees are one and two years. We do not have a shortage of ceos. We have a shortage of plumbers. These are bold plans. They do not have a monopoly on good ideas. Is left being honest . I think they are being honest about what they want to do, and i have all respect for them. I like elizabeth. I like bernie. I have respect for them. But i simply have a different way. I think in the end this is where the people are in our country. The moderates will win . We have to win big. We cant afford to win small and eke out a victory at 4 00 in the morning. Lets go back. Amy klobuchar fighting for the center left. Thank you. Steve schmidt, in the snow globe of initial reaction, some personal, some social media, it is believed the senator had a good night. Its believed Kamala Harris had a good night. Its believed mayor buttigieg had a good night. Your assessment. I thought that mayor pete had an exceptional night. I think he demonstrated tonight why he has risen into the top tier of candidates. I think that all of the candidates had good moments with the exception of one, and i think that the Vice President had probably his strongest debate performance. And when you look at the race and you look at the things that president ial candidates have to do, whether its oneonone on the stump, whether its giving speeches, that for joe biden, his weakest venue, his away game is the debate stage. He doesnt have to win the debates. He has to survive the debates, and he did well enough tonight to not just survive but i think to advance his cause in a number of different fronts. I think he got better as the debate went on. I think that Tulsi Gabbard was just awful, spectacularly bad. In fact, in a week between prince andrew, jim jordan, and devin nunes, she made a legitimate run for the medal podium and just dishonest at a pretty large level. But i think all the candidates have reason to feel good coming out of this tonight. To my good friend the senator from south boston, lawrence odonnell. I think all the senators actually did very well. That means that Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren delivered what has now become their standard, very solid debate performance for their positions in the debate. Amy klobuchar also very consistent debate performer. Cory booker, i think, tonight delivered his most solid debate yet and tonally the most consistent debate, most substantive debate for cory booker. If the debates move poll numbers, then cory bookers poll numbers should move tonight. If this doesnt move the poll numbers for cory booker, i dont know what can. And Kamala Harris also, who had her poll numbers really pop because of a debate, because of that debate where she went after joe biden, she also had her most solid debate since that one. And then theres the biden debate, which was scored as a kind of flawlessly solid debate for him until yeah. This colossal gaffe where its a gaffe unlike any other ive seen in a debate performance because its literally about a person who is standing on the stage, who he in this moment has forgotten exists. And hes referring to when hes making his point that he has a very important president ial endorsement from what he said was the only black woman elected to the United States senate, and he meant the first, thats carol mosley braun, and i may be the only person in the audience who knew who he was talking about. But, you know, that is as he couldnt have reached for a less important endorsement. A gaffe or wrong word . Look, we know in his heart hes a good guy. But the fact that you leave the black woman standing on the stage, standing in the shot, saying what about me . That was within the dynamic of that gaffe. Its as bad a moment as he could have had on that stage. Right town that moment, it was his most solid debate yet. We have to catch a break here. When we come back, guess whos standing by to talk to Chris Matthews . One cory booker of the great state of new jersey. When i was mayor of the largest city in my state, and this is where i agree with mayor pete. Mayoral experience is very important, and i happen to be the other Rhodes Scholar mayor on this stage. These folks, they dont have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps. Com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer all the Amazing Services of the post office only cheaper get our special tv offer a 4week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps. Com tv and never go to the post office again some things are too important to do yourself. Get customized security with 24 7 monitoring from xfinity home. Awarded the best professionally installed system by cnet. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Call, click or visit a store today. We all owe a debt that we cannot repay. We all drink deeply from wells of freedom and liberty that we did not dig. This is the moment in america where we need a leader that inspire us to get up and fight again, that we have truly a moral moment in america like it was back in 1965. If you give me a chance to lead, i will cause what john lewis says is good trouble. Keep me on this race. It is time we fight and fight together. The senator from new jersey as the great john lewis looked on from the audience tonight, cory booker standing by live with Chris Matthews. Chris . Thank you, brian. Romance. Im a romantic. I know you are by listening to you about what can be done with a political life. Youre looking at john lewis and what he did, his face bashed in, his head bashed in, and now he is all these years later an icon of our country. You believe in that stuff. Oh, thats why im here. God, those were leaders that called to the moral imagination of this country and made us understand, black, white, whatever, we have common cause and we have to fight for justice. Thats aspirational. People say youre aspirational like obama was. Aspirati aspiration, its 2019. Why wont aspiration and hope, and we can do a better job, and we can make it in this country. Its not nostalgia. Its optimism. Why isnt that grabbing people . Right now its happening for bill clinton talked about hope. Barack obama, this day in his race in 2007, he was 21 points behind Hillary Clinton, but he talked aspirationally. This is my moment. Im on the edge right now. I need help. I dont know why we start in iowa, but we got to play it as it lays. Its a white state. Its middle western. Its not a big state. Go on to New Hampshire, same deal. You have to wait until South Carolina or actually a little bit in nevada. Is this does this work against the minority candidate . Im not going to complain because iowa is home turf. Hundreds of family members there. Hundreds. Thats not enough. Hold on. My net popularity in the state is third right now. And i lead in endorsements in iowa and New Hampshire. Your positives over your negatives. Of all the candidates, im number three. Look, i now lead in endorsements in iowa and New Hampshire of local elected leaders. Buttigieg, who gets no black support, is leading everybody. In those early states, yeah. But he gets zero black support in the south. I need desperately to go to cory booker. Com or im not going to make the next debate stage. You were great tonight. We just need help. Keep me onboard. You inspired us tonight. Back to you, brian. Thank you, chris. Over to Steve Kornacki at the board. Steve, its as if we planned it this way. Look at where you have numbers from tonight. All this talk about black support in South Carolina in particular. Lets take a look at what the numbers say. This is the latest South Carolina poll. Came out just this week. This is the overrule number here. You see biden continuing to lead in the state. You see Kamala Harris, 6 . By the way, you dont see cory booker even registering here. Thats his support level in South Carolina. Take a look at the breakdown, white versus black. You remember almost twothirds of the electorate in South Carolina next year on the democratic side will be africanamerican. This is what it looks like among white voters. Check out among black voters. Joe biden. This has been the story all year. 44 . More than 4 to 1 over in e candidate. Second place is Bernie Sanders. Distant second place. Warren back at 8 . Then you get Kamala Harris at 6 . Guess whos name you dont see here . You were just talking to cory booker. Cory booker not even registering with africanamerican voters in South Carolina. I can tell thank you is a National Phenomenon as well. In our latest nbc news wall street Journal National poll, joe biden leads the way with 49 . Bernie sanders is second 16 . Elizabeth warren back with 15 . Cory booker, you dont see his name here. He has 6 . Thats what the black vote looks like nationally. That moment tonight we can talk about how awkward in looked for joe biden. Remember we were talking in the first debate about that awkward moment joe biden had kamala haeis. He continues to lead. You heard cory booker at the end say he needs to make the next debate stage. He has three weeks right now to get 4 in four polls. If he does not do that in the next three weeks, he wont be on the next debate stage. Fascinating stuff, steve. Thank you. This is how Eugene Robinson columns are born. This is the stuff of pulitzers, people. Another break for us. 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The junior senator from california on the stage tonight. She is standing by with Chris Matthews. Chris . I think we know what the word punked means. You mean that he was taken advantage of. That he was outskilled. That he was not clear of purpose. And instead he was so vulnerable to flattery that the fragility of his ego stood in the way of whats in the best interest of Americas National security. Thats what i mean. He gave away, as you put it, i recall, a photo op and got nothing. And got nothing. Chris, listen, i mean weve always known that north korea presents a very serious challenge to our National Security. I am the only person on that debate stage who serves on the Senate Intelligence committee and the Senate Homeland Security Committee by the way. I have during the course of my time in the senate been in regular receipt of classified information from the American Intelligence Community about the threats to our nations security and hot spots around the world. But it doesnt take being in that scif to know what im saying, which is north korea presents a real danger. And instead of negotiating from a position of strength, this guy just, you know, again, goes for the photo op, which remember all of these flags that looked almost fake. And he sold out south korea. What an exchange. Theres been no concessions. Right. Theres been nothing gained and in fact a lot lost. We have stopped our operations with south korea. For a year and a half now, we have not engaged in those operations, which are critical. Right, the exercises. Its critical for our National Security. This primary fight. Today ambassador sondland, who was basically the ringleader for the president with the three amigos and giuliani and all, he basically lined up in a litany all the top government officials who are working with him on this deal. This wasnt some rogue operation the way trumps people are trying to sell it. This was a governmentwide effort. What i call it, its a criminal enterprise. It involved, according to sondland today, it involved, as he said, quote, everyone was in the loop, which is by inference and also explicitly what he said, the president , the Vice President , the secretary of state, and the chief of staff. And the snecretary of energy for what its worth. You think this guy should be removed from office. Which guy . Donald trump. I think that the process of impeachment is a robust and important process, and it should proceed, and well see where it goes. I think its going to end up in impeachment. You have your vote figured out . Well, i can i have eyes and ears, and i can see what everybody can see in plain sight, which leads me to believe theres a lot of evidence there that would be grounds for impeachment. But it will come over to the senate. Good work tonight. Thank you so much. Kamala harris, former prosecutor, u. S. Senator from california, on the attack tonight. Back to you, brian. Thank you, senator. Thank you, chris. Eugene robinson, if you were a predik pr predicting man, which side wins out in the Democratic Party . The side of the purity testing or the middle of the round, center of the party that wants electability, or is that a false choice . I think from the point of view of the Democratic Party, it had better be a false choice. I mean there has to be, in the final analysis, some sort of synthesis that allows the party to unify around a nominee. And so youve seen Elizabeth Warren, for example, explaining that, yes, theres going to be medicare for all and no private insurance. But first theres going to be something else. First theres going to be some sort of initial step toward, and i thought that was a clear signal that she is that she is mindful that not everybody is going to get onboard with immediately getting rid of the Health Insurance of 160 Million People. And so i think youre going to see more of that. I think youre going to see more of the moderates leaning liberal and the liberals leaning moderate. Thats the ideal scenario for the party. Lawrence, can something be a false choice and a fair question at the same time . It is kind of a false choice in that what gets neglected, especially in president ial debates, is the very existence of the congress. Theres never a question about the the real questions for president ial debates should be, senator sanders, if senator warrens medicare for all bill passes instead of yours, when youre president , will you veto it . And the answer would be, no, of course he wouldnt veto it in reality. The truth is when this is all over and there is a democratic president inaugurated, the congress is still in charge. Nancy pelosi is still in charge. And all president s run advocating things that they dont get. Democrat, republican, all of them. They all advocate things that they dont get. So what theyre advocating here is their hope. The reality of what they will actually do and be able to do as president is defined by congress. And right now just as an example, there are exactly 14 Senate Cosponsors of Bernie Sanders approach to medicare for all. Exactly 14. Thats how many votes there are in the United States senate. Nancy pelosis opposed to it. So i think everybody can guess what the reality would be of the sanders presidency. It would be something less than what hes asking for. And so the real compression into the compromise position happens in the congress. I dont know much, but youre going to need more than 14 votes. Gentlemen, thank you. When we come back, well bridge the top of the midnight eastern time hour unless youre on the west coast. Then lets be honest. Youre just getting started. Insurance companies. Dont miss the deadline. There are only days remaining in open enrollment. Funny thing about Health Insurance, you dont think about how much you need it until you need it. Hes not going to be okay. 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It marked the second debate since democrats opened an impeachment on the president. The candidates fought for a number of issue, including one that got attention in recent debates. Er with talking about it. Its healthcare. In the first 100 days i would bring in 135 Million People in medicare for all at no cost to them. Then in the third year when people have had a chance to feel it and taste it and live with it, were financial to vote and were going to want medicare for all. Senator sanders, let me bring you into this fray. Thank you, i wrote the bill. I think now is the time and in the first week of my administration, we will introduce medicare for all, medicare for all, that means no deductible no, copayments, no out of pocket expenses. The fact is that right now the vast majority of democrats do not support medicare for all. It couldnt pass the United States senate right now with democrats. It couldnt pass the house. Nancy pelosi is one of those people who says, thinks it makes sense. Thats about hoy that went. We have a full complement of our extend family, friends and analysts to help us cover what was a monumental day of News Coverage in america. In the spin room tonight, Chris Mathews is there at his usual post. We will be coming right back to chris. With us in new york, claire mccaskill, senator from missouri. Joy read, host of am joy, steve schmidt, a veteran of the Mccain Campaign and other assorted resume items and Michael Moore is back with us. Michigander, muck maker, the finest tradition, at the big boards tonight, Steve Kornacki. Well be getting to everyone i just mentioned. First, chris has another democrat. Ive got Chelsea Gabbard and steve schmidt. I want to give am show. Steve, would you repeat what you said about tellcy gabbard . I thought your performance was dishonest. I think your positions are extreme and one question i would have for sui why did you go to syria to meet Bashar Alassad . What was the intent of your visit there and why were you so dishonest with regard to the mayor insisting that he called for plans to invade mexico, which, of course, he did not . Well, if you look at what the mayor said if response to the woman who asked him the question about mexico, i was merely citing what the mayor responded to. Look, the commanderinchief and the qualifications necessary to serve in that role are incredibly important. The experience and understanding about Foreign Policy, about National Security, is something that i bring to the table and that i challenge Pete Buttigieg showing he lacks that experience. Ive served in congress for seven years ago on the Armed Services committee. On the Homeland Security committee, working with mill larry toledoers, focused on ensuring our nations security, the saert and securisafety and and the American People and working towards peace. That was why i was willing to meet with the brutal dictator in syria in the interest of peace and National Security and why as president i will be willing to meet with any leader from any other country if it means we are able to ensure no more brothers and sisters are needlessly sent into harms way, fighting in these regime change wars, that have been so costly and so zrifkt destructive to my brother and sisters and to every single american. This is why im calling for this until c change, a shift, away from the bushclinton legacy of interventionism and more regime change wars, and instead towards a Foreign Policy that so bushclinton, its obama . Its bushclintontrump. Let me ask you about bashar assad, is he a war criminal in. There is International Court systems set in place to determine that fact. What is your answer the question. If he is, he should be indicted as such. Its an open question at this point. I think we have processes if place to deal with these sorts of things. My interest for the candidate for president is putting the risk of our men and women in youchl, the people in this country. I like the fight, the debate thanks to the moderators moved International Policy and leerpdship of this country in terms of commander in chiefdom. Im looking at all the democratic establishment figures, people i normally like, john kerry, joe biden, Hillary Clinton, you go down the list, they all support the war in iraq. Why were they hawks . Why so many democrats, when the party is not hawkish . Why are so many of their leaders hawks . Look, i point to two things. One is you have the Foreign Policy establishment and the military industrial complex. That covers so much influence over both parties. Both Political Parties. Im trying to figure out why they are so hawkish . There are complain contribution, the influence they have in this paytoplay culture in washington. But you also just have people who dont understand Foreign Policy and who lack the experience to make these critical decisions that impact our lives and the safety and security of the American People. This is what is so serious about what is at stake here. Tonight i heard three people. Two. You and Bernie Sanderss going against the horse. I join you on that Tulsi Gabbard is all alone fighting the neocons. Thank you very much. Michael moore. Welcome. Thank you for having me back. Good to see you again. Start with what was going on there tonight do you think . I think the most important thing to take atwra this is that the Democratic Party has to be the party that is for peace, that not for the intervention she is talking about. That the american public, especially the working class and the poor of this country who put up most of the soldiers and sailors and others, they need to have they need to stop being abused, i know so many guys in michigan in the National Guard i mean they did four, six, nine more tours there. They joined up the Michigan National guard to be there for people in michigan that needed help. There was so much abuse caused by this bush war and i think that anybody who will stand up and speak out against it and especially bernie, i mean, this is what we always have seen with bernie through the yearsch hes always the first to say it, with its about medicare for all or raising the minimum wage to 15 an hour for whatever. And tonight he said something that i dont think so e i dont think ive ever heard at a democratic debate let alone obviously im not a republican. He said the palestinians were human beings. He said we could not support israel and be against the palestinian people. Were being hypocritical if we do that. We support israel. But that means we have to support the people who are the palestinians. That got a huge applause. The same kind of applause that beto orourke got when he said, were coming for your ar15s and your ak47s. The only time people rose out of their seat with when he said that. It was a powerful thing. Nobody ever set it. Nobody could believe pundits you see the next day trying to walk it back. But six days later, Colt Manufacturing in nearby connecticut made the announcement saying we will no longer sell the ar15 to the public. They saw them. Those people rose out of their seats, hey, this is coming our way. They got rid of the ar15s. To distill the problem people have is on the one side people said the congressman now out of the race, former congress pap from texas just gave the republicans the opening paragraph of their opening salvo of the ad war of the year. The other folks said, job one should be beating donald trump. Where do you come down on job one . Well, yes, okay, job one is beating actually job one is convicting and removing donald trump sometime in the next couple of months. Like guns and butter. If you really want to go to number one, he should, after what we heard today, he shouldnt be there in that white house in our white house, another single day. Somebody said earlier on one of the shows here, that in the end in the old day, there will be a delegation of republicans going up to the white house today to say, you know what, thats it. Exactly. Thats what happens. And so, thats, so thats job one. Job one for the election next year is to make sure we get rid of trump or trumps replacement, we get rid of that which gave us trump. Thats what the real issue should be. If we keep listening, i have so much respect for senator mccaskill here and everyone cried when you were not returned last year. My husband is a michigander. We think you are pretty cool, too. Then thats even better. But i really i want to redefine in the way that last time i was here, we talk about the working class. And i said the majority of the working class actually are women, people of color and young people the least. So when we say working class, its always were evokeing this image of lunch bucket joe from mccomb count yip. The actual working class of 2019 is a 30yearold black woman. Thats really the working class. When you say working class, i want everybody to always think now thats a 30yearold life. That is what the working class is. Just in the same way i think that we have to, when you guys were talking about how we have to be more moderate or move to the center, that how we will win next year, see, to me, i think moving to the crept i am the center. I am the main stream now in the Democratic Party. The majority of americans agree we me and bernie on all the issue, whether its whether its healthcare for all, whether its climate change. Minimum wage, mass incarceration. Down the whole list. The American People have moved left so the center is now more of these sorts of things. This is what we believe. So when you say for instance what joe biden said tonight 150 million americans want to keep their insurance. Says who . Are you actually talking to the people about this . Yes, they want the ashuns that whatever we have with the new medicare for all is essentially a transfer what they have with their good union healthcare. Its going to be that it will be better for you, you wont have copays, decimals, fine. The average democrat and the average american does not like the Health Insurance company. They hate aetna and cigna and united healthcare. These are people thatter that fighting with to get them to pay a bill that they wont pay. The Healthcare Industry has caused more pain and harm and anxiety for the American People and practically any other industry and we should never side with candidates that are saying were going to keep this private profitmaking thing going. Thats not where the American People are at. They are fed up with this. I tell you, i got an earful of it last month in flint when General Motors was on strike. What did the ceo do on the third day of the strike . She took away their healthcare. She shut it down. They couldnt believe it. Nobody in my i come from a gm family. Are you a healthcare, its everything, medical, dent am, eye care. You get a free lawyer if you knead one. Its like the best and on the third day they saw the thing that they thought theyd have forever could be taken away by their company like that. And thats what people need to know that we can never allow our Health Insurance to be in the hands of a private profitmaking company, where they can end you tomorrow. Anybody watching this show right now, your boss can wake up in the morning and go, you know what, steve, this is costing us too much money. To have this Health Insurance for the employees. We got to cut it back, raise the deductible. They can do this just like that. That should be illegal. Its a human right and we need to be like every other industrialized country that has this. Let me get joy reed in this conversation. Because we havent been able to ask you, what party did you see on that stage tonight . Well, you know, i thought it was a lively debate. A couple things to run quickly. I think because our friend here said a lot of stuff. I think with Tulsi Gabbard, the challenge i think with miss gabbard is, yes, like somebody who was very much against the iraq war, got out of news, really, initially, because of my opposition to the iraq war. I think a lot more people than we know feel that way, even people who have military background, who say, why did we do this . Why did we spend our countrys Human Resources on this war . I think it was a lot of reason that barack obama was a viable candidate for president is he can see ahead this was not a wise idea. And i think a lot of democrats preferred him over Hillary Clinton in 2008 because of that. I think that thats true. I think the challenge that Tulsi Gabbard is having is you can feel that way about the iraq war as i definitely did, but also find it odd that the way she talks about regime change was exactly the same way that russia talks about them. Right. She uses this language that feels straight out of kind of the kremlin. Sure. It is odd in that she went to see Bashar Alassad and cannot take away her interaction with him, observation of him, that she a criminal who is not hurting random people. Hes hurting his own people. The fact that she couldnt call a war criminal. See what it is is also a weird kremliny view she has of the world that makes her an odd fit of a party of democrats. Im not sure what it is she is doing. Bashar alassad. Exactly. This is not a neutral character. On the world stage. She a palpable evil character. The fact that she doesnt have an opinion of that is weird. Thats right. Its a weird place for her to be in the Democratic Party. I think thats number one. Number two, its absolutely true the working class has been viewed for decades as this sort of white midwestern Hard Scrabble person when the majority of working class people are people of color and young people who cant afford to pay their Student Loans and who are going broke even though theyre working. You know, people like my kids that have my middle son graduated from college, is working. He cant afford to move out of my house. Help wants to, he cant. There is no way, our kids have to live with us, my husband and myself because they cant afford it. So i think we have to change the whole concept when we talk about working class and brand it out. I thought it was important the debate was in a city like atlanta where you have a lot of africanamericans, latinos, people who are that other working class. What they heard tonight number one was the first debate i heard Kamela Harris have. I agree. Look, the Democratic Party comes knocking at the church door six weeks out, they want the black people to vote. The rest of the year there is sort of an invisibility there. Africanamerican voters are the most dutiful voters. I thought corey booker had a really really good night. Hopefully, it will change the dynamic. Because up to now, we havent been centering these voters, i dont believe tonight. A Rhodes Scholar, corey booker. I thought kamela did a really good job tonight in articulating women in this country that are having children in their late 20s and 30s and trying to manage taking care of their parents, taking care of their children. The costs associated with all that and that this is really, these are the working fog we should be really focused on. And she was very good. Absolutely. And there were a lot of women tonight watching her tonight and you know what can relate to her. She gets me. She understands the struggles im going through. To michaels point and joys point, i think the lunch bucket of the american working class is now much more often a backpack or a handbag. A break and then we go to mayor Pete Buttigieg with Chris Mathews. Health markets compares your current plan with thousands of options nationwide from National Insurance companies. Dont miss the deadline. There are only days remaining in open enrollment. Funny thing about Health Insurance, you dont think about how much you need it until you need it. Hes not going to be okay. With so many changes to Health Insurance plans, are you still sure you have the right fit . Having the wrong fit can cost you thousands. 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They even have new alternative options most dont even know about that can save you thousands. They work to help you and do it all for free. Dont assume that your plan is still the right fit. The Healthmarkets Fitscore makes it easy to find the right plan for you. Having helped enroll people in millions of policies with an a Customer Satisfaction rating, you can trust healthmarkets. For this free service, go to healthmarkets. Com or call right now. Your Insurance Market place, healthmarkets. Call healthmarkets before the december 15th enrollment deadline to see if you qualify for 0 premiums. Call the number on your screen now. Were to defeat this president. We need somebody who can go toetotoe who actually comes from the kind of communities hes been appealing to. I dont talk a big game about helping the working class while helicoptering between golf courses with my name on it. I dont even golf. As a matter of fact i never thought id be on a Forbes Magazine list, they did things by wealth. I am literally the least wealthy person on this stage. Some things are less scientific, a man believed to have a good outing on that stage in atlanta is standing by with Chris Mathews. Chris. Thank you very much, im here with mire Pete Buttigieg. What i felt was wonderful tonight, it was the first time the debate moderators opened up the world. It wasnt just the democrats fighting over healthcare, talking about who will lead the world . The president of the United States is the leader of the world. I thought that was great. And your thought about it was it helps to have somebody who has been in the world . I think so obviously, my experience with Foreign Policy comes in part being ordered into a foreign war and we do need to be talking about this a lot more. You know i think there was a time when democrats were in a defensive crouch about National Security and Foreign Policy as if all we can say is hey we care about National Security too,. Well, today it has become abundantly clear if our party isnt leading, nobody s. Because this white house has no meaningful Foreign Policy. As weve seen to the extent they have one, it is easily kruptd. We got to layout what the Security Strategy for our country in the 21st century will be and my vision is one where the United States leads with our values and recognizes it is always in our interests to see to it that our values are lifted up around the world. It has different consequences for how we engage a competitor like china, also an ally leak saudi arabia and both our allies and our adversaries are behaving in ways that reflect the disappearance of the u. S. From its position of moral leadership under this president. Lets start with that, when i was growing up politically, the fight was over the defense budget. The democrats have a way of saying we have different priorities than republicans. I noticed with Elizabeth Warren, we would be up here later tonight. She has healthcare for all, medicare for all includes a cut military, in other words, shifts some money. Where were you on shifting money from defense to domestic as a statement, really . I dont think its as easy as suggest an across the board cut without looking at what were doing. In fact, one of the things im concerned about with for warrens proposal is she would zero out the overseas Contingency Operation fund. Which is a very important part of the budget. Im not sure they explain. What does that do . Well, its known for its connection to the global war in afghanistan engagement, we seek to wind down. We should have a more robust debate not only over how much we are spending. We definitely need to make sure there is not run away growth in defense spending. But also how were spending it. Thats part of what i tried to speak to tonight. If we have to decide what our priorities are going to be. This president seems to have no imagination what 21st century threats would be like. We are spending largely towards a 21st century spending and what the military is going to look like in the years ahead. A couple questions, are you 37 . I am. Its stunning to me talking to you, i said this before in public your wealth of knowledge is extraordinary for your age. My question is can you stand up to those you say, you began to do it tonight with Tulsi Gabbard and others, you are too dam young to claim world leadership. You know whats remarkable is there is right now a pattern in world leadership of a new generation taking the lead. You look at some of the most. Good and bad. Good and bad, thats true. Justin trudeau, macron a little better. Macron took office the exact same age i would is 29. The Prime Minister of new zealand is magnificent is younger than i would be when i take office the new president of el salvador is considering to be promising. Also younger than i would be at the inauguration. Its true, even leaders we are very concerned about and dictators are often coming from a younger jgeneration. You are giving the Thomas Jefferson argument. In you got neon this one, i think hamilton was 21 when he first came on the scene. Look, our country has a great tradition of new generations stepping forward in leadership. Its happening around the world. Thats the sort of thing america should lead not play catch sflup if are you in South Carolina right now, they are having problems down there, what would you sa i to people . I was in a black church in South Carolina a couple weeks ago. I talked openly about my orientation. We got to put away homophobia is something only applies to the black community or is limited to the black community. Oh, i didnt mean that. Some folks out there are saying that. The reality is people approach election, certainly black voters approach them with one main question in mind. Its this. How is my life going to be different if are you president versus one of these other people out there and why do you care . If i can answer that, then i think a lot of other considerations fall to the side lines. As i said to you before on air, every time i ask you a question, i got a sense you got the question two weeks ago. You are very good, thank you. Thank you. Brian, it is true, he seems encyclopedic about a question i just came up with. Your thoughts. Our thanks, to mayor pete and to Chris Mathews. Thank you for that conversation. Steve kornacki at the dig board is going to speak to the larger issue, the issue that is both the result of socalled purity testing in the party. The result of the elect ability road testing. That is beating donald trump. Steve. Its interesting int buttigieg describes how he can win over voters. This was a poll taken just this week in the four early states, iowa, New Hampshire, nevada, South Carolina, actually across those four states. A pretty good Cross Section of the Democratic Party. They asked the democratic voters. The candidates you are not now voting for, what would it take to convince to you support that candidate. Take a look at these numbers here, so for joe biden, these are the choices they gave him. Is there a policy issue, some policy he can explain to you and win you over on, 17 said yes. 16 the idea of can he convince you . He can hand them job. Can he be viable to win the nomination. Only 11. By far the biggest choice here for biden was simple electability. If biden can prove he can win trump that will win voters to his side. Look, Elizabeth Warren, only 8, 7, 48 said they consider swiping over. They would switch over to Elizabeth Warren if she could convince them she could beat donald trump. These numbers keep getting 40 for Bernie Sanders. You get to Pete Buttigieg, 57 . It looks like the biggest doubt one of the biggest doubts holding back buttigieg with democrats potentially, hes got to prove to them he can beat donald trump. You got to see from 40 to 57 , you think of how democrats are watching these debates. Are they focused on this issue or that . What theyre focused on twhachlt a lot seem to beco focusing on is filtering the lens would this beat donald trump u trump, get trump out of the white house . Steve kornacki, thank you for that. Fascinating numbers as usual. As always, as we head to a break, our conversation on the other side, yes, lets listen to joe biden on this topic. I learned something about these impeachment trials. I learned number one that donald trump doesnt want me to be a nominee. Thats pretty clear. He held up aid to make sure that while at the same time innocent people in the dambas are getting killed by american soldiers. Second of all, i found out Vladimir Putin doesnt want me to be president. E president. Senator sanders, you described your campaign, including your plans for medicare for all as a political revolution. Yes. President obama explicitly said the country is quote less revolutionary than it is interested in improvement. The average american doesnt think we have to completely tear down the system and remake it. End quote. Is president obama wrong . No, its like we dont have to tear down the system. But we do have to do what the American People want. And the American People understand today the current Healthcare System is not only cruel, it is dysfunctional. We are back, our coverage continues. We want to keep this in the family here, steve schmidt. Lets talk about that man. That is Michael Moores map right there. Age wise the antithesis of mayor petes position in this race. Is that man electable as is, given the case he is making to his fellow democrats . I believe that donald trump would defeat Bernie Sanders in an election. I believe donald trump would defeat welz welz in a gem election. I think the risk is outrageously high. When i look at the priefl and we were talking about this off air, medicare for all private private health for all. I believe with michael that this issue has moved considerably to the left. I dont think there is much debate in the country about the fact that nobody should go bankrupt because their wife gets cancer or their kid breaks a leg and working class people are victimized by the Healthcare System. The answer to it, though, if it requires po pulling private insurance away from 160 Million People, it is demonstrably unpopular as it stands right now. It is advancing that issue this fight at this time worth the risk of reelecting donald trump and what i would argue is that from the perspective of the 2018 elections, what you saw, particularly with the overwhelming turnouts you are seeing in suburban areas of the country, the africanamerican community, that there the a coalition that can be assembled for the purposes of dealing with, what i think is the first, the second and the third issues in this race, which are the corrupt criminal in the white house who is very quickly dismantling the u. S. Led liberal global order that was conceptualized, architected by fdr, built by Harry Trueman sustained from eisenhower through barack obama. When we see the chinese and the south koreans entering into military security arrangements, we see the withdrawal of america from the world and despite all of our flaw, the reality is we have lived the last 75 years in a period of prosperity up equalled in the history of the world, where billions of people have been lifted up out of abject poverty. When we look at a world dominated by the chinese as america regresss 20 years from now, we should talk about the fact that there are millions of people in concentration camps in that country. Minority muslim populations. It is not a pretty picture. And so i think the stakes are enormously high. I do think in these debates, what is the nature of this moment in time in america . And i think mayor pete on the stage tonight talked in a way that none of the other candidates did, which is what dough we do next . What comes after trump . The country is profoundly and dangerously divided. Who are the you fighters, not the dividers on that stage . And i think these are questions that well get an answer to in the next couple weeks as it plays out. I think when you look at Steve Kornackis board and the polling numbers, what it suggests to me is a looming fight between mayor pete and Elizabeth Warren. Expect some fisticuffs in the came to come and a real engagement between corey book worry has to collapse some of joe bidens africanamerican support. Look for corey book tore go after the Vice President and i think you see Kamela Harris right now after her strongest debate performance probably for the snap in a position ahead of booker, where she can hang back, she can wait. We start to see these fault lines play out, i think in a more aggressive way in the democratic race in the weeks ahead. Senator, can you take any oor all of that . Let me say this they all did very well tonight with a few exceptions. I still think we have too many people on the stage. We need to shrink the number of people debating. Im not saying we need to narrow it to the top four. But ten is too many. And im not really sure anybody really moves the needle tonight. Because they all did pretty well. I think mayor peet pete did have a great night. He showed he could pivot and punch, which you are going to have to be able to do with donald trump. Will you have to be in a debate pivot and punch. He did that very quickly with Tulsi Gabbard when she went after him with something that was a bogus attack. He immediately said, hey, you know, im not going to let you get away with that. And i thought corey was impassioned and optimistic. I think of all the candidates on the stage tonight, the ones who were most optimistic and the most you know having that oozing of the uniter thing we are talking about were, in fact, corey booker and mayor pete. Could you happily live in america with any of those ten in as president . I think not any of the ten. Not any. But i think that the very big difference i think we are seeing in the way that we are all discussing this race is the difference in the Democratic Party. I think for particularly for voters of color, there is no conversation of interest to talk about uniting to be blunt with the party that has given up not just its moral standing but its sole to that person who is the president of the United States right now, the danger of donald trump is much more extent to my community, to both my immigrant relatives to africanamericans, to latinos. Its not about whether or not we can regain our public standing on the world stage and be seen as america, the america was, to people that look like me. Its about imminent danger. Donald trump is dangerous to our families. Hes dangerous to our lives. The you know my son, our youngest son go es to Syracuse University where right now you know the manifesto of the Texas Shooter is being sent around to immigrant students to black students to Asian American students. People are afraid to be in school right noud and just being black or brown feels dangerous. Lbgt Community Feels their marriages are if danger in danger now. As to the idea of uniting and coming together. That sound fine for Pete Buttigieg to say to middle class White America that wants to come together with their uncle who is a trumper. That will not work in communities of color. I think one of the fundamental challenges that Pete Buttigieg has is she not communicating to my community right now. Hes not communicating to my community at all on issues like policing. People want to know why he fired that police chief. Getting saying hes got a great longterm plan for black america. Thats lovely. He speaks very well. He is quite articulate. That is not helping people who are afraid and can know can this guy connect to me . Can he connect to black people . Can he speak to africanamerican fears of the police . Hes having a hard time doing that. If he cant do that, he cant get a chance to change america on the world stage, Association Even if he wins iowa, voters in South Carolina right now are speaking to iowa. Hes not proving something to South Carolina like barack obama had to do. Hes a candidate quite popular with voters. That it want to know what are you doing about immigrant issues and get those kids unlocked out of those cages. Hes got to make a transition into the rest of the Democratic Party. For sanders, when he takes about class, its really resonant to a lot of younger progressive black people, but in general, he hasnt broadened his base. I think warren had a very good night, as usual, she was good as she always is. She needs to also broaden her base. I think shes smart as to broaden her discussion of healthcare to say maybe there is a transition, let you try i the public option and see how it works out for you before we force everyoneen oto it. Maybe thats a smart thing to do. I think out of everyone on that statement tonight. At least to me him booker and harris feel like how people see them. I think i felt who they resonated was calculators. Michael moore, 60 seconds before i have to take a break. I want to say this about why i support bernie, i first supported him back in 1989. I stood on the stage in burlington vermont when he first ran for congress. He is trying to get semi famous people to come there. You are famous. Only roger and me. That will do. He couldnt get the guy and crocodile dundee, millie vanilla neither of them will come out. All he can get on that stage were two guys from vermont who made ice cream and one guy from michigan who ate ice cream. Thats it. But im telling you, this guy, there is a reason why every single poll. The majority of 85 eerlsd, black women, the essence poll. Number one, Bernie Sanders, why do the youngest people want to vote for the oldest candidate . I think there is something to study there. I think what it is, they see him willing to fight for the future that were leaving them and it doesnt look good to them. But they know if hes in there, he will fight do whatever need to be on. What he said about climb change, puts these executives away this was a criminal action. He would do that young people. This is their future and we were just talking about our medicare cards, when are we going to get one . Because we want our socialize medicine during the commercial break. But the truth is that we have to be. I want to be on the side of what young people want. It is their future. I want to be with a candidate that they believe is going to fight for them and when they say hes too old. You know what nancy pelosi is older than bern benefit and i dont know, i kind of think, i think shes the baddest bad ass in washington, d. C. And shes older than bernie and you want her right now doing what she is doing its amazing. You never say, nancy pelosi, oh, she will never pull this off impeachment. Shes so old. No. Our elders, cultures that respect their elders and turn to them in moments of crisis like in this is exactly what we need to be doing with nancy pelosi and Bernie Sanders. As we go to a break, well listen to a little Bernie Sanders. Our coverage continues on the other side. It is time to bring our troops home. But unlike trump, i will not do it through a tweet at 3 00 in the morning. In the morning. Automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable. Save 50 on the sleep number 360 limited Edition Smart bed. Plus 0 interest for 24 months on all smart beds. Ends saturday the American People understand that the political system we have today is corrupt and it is not just voter suppression, which costs the Democratic Party a governorship here in the state. Not just denying black people, the people of color the right to vote. But we also have a system to Citizens United which allows billionaires to buy elections. From tonight, Chris Mathews in addition to his duties in the spin room has been watching and thinking about all this. Chris. What do you make of this conversation we have been having up here in new york . I think there are things that strike many they are annex dotal. When colonel vindman was talking about mevg is a country where right matters. And i thought that kind of immigrant patriotism is something that doesnt have anything left versus right. Its a feeling about the country. You may want to make radical change, guthrie, this land is our land or kate smith in god bless america. But there has to be a piece there about america and your affection to the country. You start with and work from that to fix it. I think when i look at some of the issues about choice, or issues, its just like samesex marriage and all. The democrats always miss the cultural peace. They continue on the economics. They miss the cultural piece. How people feel about things i have been pro choice since roe v. Wade is a decision. I think pelosi does, too. Pennsylvania is prolife in a way thats pretty real and i think it was one of the reasons trump won up there. Trump is a monte bank, a charlton, he plays on these cultural issues, make America Great again. Theyre honest feelings, he zorts them. I think the patriotic feeling about the country and life and choice and traditional value, if you will, the democrats are very cold about those things. I think they really miss a chance to win by simply identifying with the feelings of the country better than they do. That the only thought i have tonight. I quote it again with Bernie Sanders saying the country is corrupt our system is corrupt. Be careful about that language, bernie. You know, be careful. That our system of politics is corrupt. Thats too strong. Im sorry, that is abrupt aspects, to say our democracy is corrupt is a bad starting point with a lot of peoples hearts about this country. Thats what i think. Thank you, chris. We have four minutes until off air, our family members in, no, starting with you, what are you making with that gentleman in atlanta just said . I agree with him. Im from a state where the cultural issues have coth my party dearly. So i relate to the point hes making. On the other hand, i also relate to the fact our Healthcare System is very messed up and very painful for Many American families and we got to do Something Better about it. My overall take on today is, we watched hour upon hour of testimony today about a man who has taken this country to a place where up in of us thought would happen, without more americans standing up saying not on our watch. Today i watched a bunch of candidates who have much of what they agree on, some things they agree oranges i feel comfortably our party will come together and whoever gets the nomination will show they are inspiring. They can organize, they can excite people. They can win voters in every part of our party, not just play to one part of our party. I feel comfortable we will have a strong coles tom coming together. I feel optimistic tonight. I think both day those of us have been up all day, we watched a moral crisis unfold in front of us this morning. In which we discovered that one of our great Political Parties has given itself over to a occultive personally, thats surround around his interests, Donald Trumps personal interests and the entire of the Republican Party is willing to subseoul itself to that. Its shocking, its sad. So the responsibility on democrats is huge. That i have to govern the rest of the country. The diverse part of the country. I think we saw tonight there are a lot of democrats who are capable and hopefully theyll pull it together and take the country in a direction. We have a former republican height here. I think you saw on the debate stage tonight, a number of candidates with positions that ivo sifr russly disagree with by every one of those candidates is faithful to the american system of government to the Constitutional Public which has endured since 1887. What you see today is the collapse of the Republican Party. It stands for two things now. Corruption and donald trump. Theres not a policy agenda. There is not an issue agenda. Its occultive personality and to contrast between the two parties highlighted in this debate even with people that i disagree with on issues is incredibly stark to me. Michael moore. I think we are fortunate with there group of people running. We will all vote for whoever as the d by their name. Will you be happy with president desire . Absolu stire . What has he done with miss money . Hes given money away to candidates that would end his way of life. I just want to say this, yesterday was the anniversary of the gettysburg address. I heard somebody read it on the radio yesterday and what we saw today, the end of the Republican Party what we see on the stage tonight, hope for the future, those last words of government of the people for the people and by the people shall not perish from this earth. We have as to make sure that comes true. Thank you very up for that closing thought. Before we go tonight, i want to show you two front pages, vastly discs describing the same thing. Washington post goes back to lean on that latin. There is that latin again. Look at the handling of the front page in the hands of the new york times. We followed the president s orders. A much more dramatic treatment of what we saw today. Programing note, special coverage of the trump impeachment hearings back on the air 9 oompblt 00 a. M. Scant 9 00 a. M. Scant hours from now. Thanks to in no particular order, Steve Kornacki, chris math chus, claire mccaskill, steve schwhidt, Michael Moore, thank you most of all for making this coverage a part of your day and night. Some things are too important to do yourself. Get customized security with 24 7 monitoring from xfinity home. Awarded the best professionally installed system by cnet. Simple. Easy. Awesome. Call, click or visit a store today. President trump in a quid pro quo scheme and said everyone was in the loop. Now, trump and his allies are on the defense. Now, ten president ial candidates took the stage last night forti the fifth democrati debate in atlanta. While they clashed over several issue, all the democratic issues agreed thatti President Trump should be impeached. Good morning, everyone, it is thursday, november 21st, im
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