Was that wages went up, and thats great for the american worker. 2020 hopeful Elizabeth Warren, shes going to propose a new plan to take on tech. And the question of what theyre allowed to buy, what data theyre allowed to trade and how they should be behaving as corporate citizens. There is strong, even angry reaction to the sentence giving to former Trump CampaignPaul Manafort. 47 months, a federal judge sentences Paul Manafort to less than four years in jail. Despite eight felony convictions on tax and bank fraud, the court declaring President Trumps former campaign chairman, quote, lived an otherwise blameless life. I feel very badly for Paul Manafort. I think its been a very, very tough time for him. But if you notice, both his lawyer, a highly respected man and a highly respected judge, the judge said there was no collusion with russia. Democrats are calling Paul Manaforts sentencing disrespectful, lenient, and an outrage. I think i spent more days in detention in high school than judge ellis thinks that Paul Manafort should spend in jail. From across the planet to our own backyards, today we celebrate female firsts. Friday, march 8th, International Womens day. What do women bring to this job . We bring the same thing that men bring to the job. We bring passion. We bring commitment, dedication and focus. You dont give up on your dreams. They are there. You just have to go for them. Okay. Lots to talk about, but we have another sudden departure at the Trump White House. Just a short time ago, the white house announced Communications Director bill shine resigned from his position and will serve as Senior Advisor to the 2020 reelection campaign. I never fully understand what this means when somebody leaves the white house and joins the campaign. Well, it means like, were still together, just in a different capacity. We didnt break up. All right. Joining us from the white house is nbcs hans nichols. Hans, is this was this expected . Not by us, not by our reporting, but the white house has blind sided us before. To your question, guys, on what this actually means, when someone goes to the campaign, were never quite certain on what that role is. To use your metaphor, maybe they have broken up, but they just want to make it look like theyre still together. What we do know is that he tendered his resignation last night and it was accepted. We also know, and this is the worst kept secret in washington, that job will always be done by president donald trump. He thinks hes his best press secretary e he thinks hes his best Communications Director. To do that job and serve a man who thinks he can do your job better is always going to be frustrating, always challenging. This is hey process dispute on how you run the communications shop. This isnt a doctrinal difference. When jim mattis resigned, that was over doctrine. Do you consult with your allies. This most likely is about tactics, when you have a briefing, if youre going to have briefings, which interview the president is going to do. Thats what theyre focused on. Theyre not focused on big picture strategic what direction this country should go on. Guys . Maybe its about some level of conflict of interest. I want to bring gabe sherman is, special correspondent with vanity fair. Gabe, you know the fox landscape. You wrote the book. Yeah. We know that this resignation comes right after the New York Times bombshell about shine excuse me, new yorker bombshell about shines relationship with fox news, President Trumps obvious preferred news network. Yes. No, clearly you cannot look at this departure without looking at the wider context, which is that the House Democrats are going to be aggressively investigating all aspects of this administration, including their possibly improper ties to Rupert Murdochs media empire. Eight we know he left fox over a year ago. How is he still bound do them . Bill shine is Sean Hannitys best friend, former producer, and that they speak all the time. Bill shine is on a firstname basis with almost every fox personality there is. So clearly this is, you know, its really hard to distinguish where the Trump White House ends and where fox news begins. Thats something is he still getting paid . Hes getting a severance agreement, on the order of 7 million. Youre basically drawing a salary. You could say that was baked in when i got the job. But hes taking money from Rupert Murdoch while working for the American People. Some might think thats stinky at the very least. You never know when somebody leaves the white house whether its a break up or whether the kamm main has a bigger need for bill shine. With less scrutiny. This is clearly this was not a relationship that was actually very close. Bill shine and donald trump didnt know each other well before he got the job. Donald trump hired him largely because of his close relationship with sean hannity. So this was not a close working relationship. My reporting indicated to that the two had been growing apart as hans pointed out. You cannot be a Communications Director in this white house when your boss is doing all the communicating and not taking any direction. Its at odds with the job. I wish i knew that. Anybody who thought anything different. This is a man who ran on i and i alone. And communications and branding, if there is one thing thats his jam, its that. So there are no surprises. No surprises there. Bill shine, i think he was basically finding it difficult to get a job at any other media company. He was front and center in a lot of the roger ailes Sexual Harassment scandals at fox news. He was accused in multiple lawsuits of covering up and enabling that sexual misconduct. Meanwhile, he himself was not actually accused of wrongdoing. And still paid out 7 million bucks. He had really nowhere else to go. The Trump White House is a landing pad for people who cant really get any other jobs. How about that. Well said. If you cant get a job anywhere else, you can go work at the white house. Thats kind of a fascinating thought in and of itself, isnt it . Fascinating is one word. Thank you, gabe. Hans, thank you as well. President trump and his former personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen are talk about a break up theyre going back and forth in a war of words on twitter this morning. President trump is now claiming that Michael Cohen not only asked for a pardon, directly asked him for a pardon. He tweets, quote, bad lawyer and fraud roadster Michael Cohen said under sworn testimony that he never asked for a pardon. His lawyers totally contradicted him. He lied. Additionally, he directly asked me for a pardon. I said no. He lied again. He also badly wanted to work at the white house. He lied. Okeydoke. In february, Michael Cohen testimony before the House Oversight and Reform Committee and he denied claims of requesting a pardon from President Trump. Former federal prosecutor jessica roth joins us now. I say to you, ali first, if Michael Cohen lied just a week ago on the hill hes going to be in hot water. Its like, come on, all your turning over a new leaf, i care about the American People. We know Michael Cohen, no surprise, relied on twitters comments. Just another set of lies by the president. Let me remind you, today is International Womens day. You may want to used to to apologize for your own lies and dirty deeds to women, like Karen Mcdougal and stephanie clifford. Is this bad for so, yes. Now Michael Cohen pointing the finger again at donald trump and the hush money payments, trying to distract us from the fact that Michael Cohen is the one who facilitated it. Can these two continue to point the finger at one another when theyre both in the dirtiest of pools . We have two flawed individuals, the tweets gives us a contradiction between the two highly flawed witnesses. Its going to be difficult to untangle what the truth is about the pardons, which i think is the most significant issue. Unless we have other witnesses who have direct knowledge about those conversations and communications. Hopefully witnesses who are less flawed in terms of their credibility than these two. And also documents and texts that would back up one version or the other and lend credence to what actually occurred. What about the fact in the end nobody got a pardon . Does it matter if Michael Cohen asked or if trump hinted if he didnt give him one . Well, it depends why were asking, right . Theres no legal effect asking for a pardon generally like Sheriff Joe Arpaio might have been is different for asking for a pardon people can apply for pardons. There is a whole process. Usually people dont ask the president directly for a pardon. The reason why it is particularly significant here, as you were suggesting, if it is suggested some quid pro kbquo, wont flip on you if you give me a promise or promise of a pardon, that is highly problematic. That is even the kind of thing our new attorney general william barr suggested he would see as a potential charge is it legally problematic . It can be construed as obstruction of justice, witness tampering. Holding out the idea of a pardon, the promise of a pardon in exchange for the person not testifying, or testifying in a way that doesnt implicate you. So its highly problematic. But not surprising. How are you as a former federal prosecutor make sense of this . As stephanie said, Michael Cohen went to Congress Last week, apologized for lying the last time. Finds himself were a jail sentence because he lied to congress the last time. Is it conceivable that he lied again last week . I feel like everything is conceivable at this point. As i said, its hard to know what to make here. We have two very flawed witnesses going against one another. You cant as a prosecutor or investigator, treat these witnesses the same way. Michael cohen can be squeezed the same time way. Its much harder to squeeze the president of the United States. Its harder to find out. As i said earlier, what i would want to do is find other witnesses who have fewer flaws. Except the other people, were talking Rudy Giuliani and lanny davis. Mother teresa isnt hanging around trump tower. Id turn to the documents. The text messages, phone calls, maybe we dont have direct evidence. Maybe we have more in the nature of circumstantial evidence. We may not have the content of communications, but we could have time stamps for communications that would be highly suggestive of communications happening at a particular time. For example, right after the search warrants were conducted on Michael Cohens residence. Michael cohen had a habit of reporting everything. President trump doesnt text, doesnt email, rarely signs his name. Every day something happens, i think this cant possibly be happening. I feel so bad for fiction writers. No kidding. So bad. Jessica, thank you very much. Jessica roth is a former federal prosecutor. All right. When we come back, were talking about something ali and i love. In a normal world this would be a lead story. In a normal world. Weaker than expected jobs report from february. When it came to the number of jobs added to the economy, some people said, wait, we thought we were getting 180, we got 20,000. Maybe thats good news. Were at full employment. The good news is about wages. Were going do break down those numbers next. Wages ticking up is what we need. Heres a live look at the dow which a probably this reaction is about job numbers. Might be flukey. Well talk about that when we come back. Youre watching velshi ruhle live on msnbc. With tremfya®, you can get clearer. And stay clearer. 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We created 20,000 new jobs in the United States in february versus 180,000 that economists were expecting. This is unusual. Every month when we get the jobs number, we also get revisions for the two prior months, and both of those prior months were gang busters. In december of 2018, the number has been revised upward by 5,000, so we created 227,000 jobs in december of 2018. Januarys number was revised up by 7,000. This is a very big number. 31 1,000. Keep this in mind. December 227, january 31 1. February 20,000. Thats a bit of a problem. Here is what stephanie was talking about, though. Average hourly wages are up. Theyre up compared to last year by 3. 4 . When you calculate that amount you have to think about what inflation is doing. Inflation is relatively low right nows, thats actually a real wage increase. For a lot of people its not where they think things should be. When you look at a 3. 8 unemployment rate, one would assume wages would be going up at a pace that is higher than 3. 4 year over year. Thats where we are. If there is good news in this otherwise not so good report, thats it, that wages are up. Steph . And wages has been the issue. Correct. Since the Obama Administration. At the end of the Obama Administration, we were at basic full employment. Correct. Wages was the issue. Thats what we need to go up. Joining us now, our dear friend cnbc editor john harwood. John, depending which side of the aisle you sit on, you can pick and choose which data you want. Today larry kudlow is saying this jobs number is a silly flukey number. Its not reflective of anything. Is he right, or are we starting to see signs that this is the canary in the coal mine and we have bad times ahead . Well, i think its too early to say how flukey it is. It certainly seems to be an outlier. We are still at an average of more than 185,000 jobs a month, if you smooth it out and look over the last several months. So i wouldnt draw the conclusion that we are headed for more numbers like 20,000. However, we already know that the economy is slowing down. It slowed down during the course of 2018. We had 4. 2 growth in the second quarter, 3. 4 in the third, 2. 6 in the fourth, and the fed is now expecting 2. 3 growth for 2019, lower than that for 2020. So the reality is the white house is not achieving a lasting, at least so far as the information we have now, a lasting rate of 3 growth and were just going to have to see how much that slow down occurs and whether it gets worse. Lets talk about what stephanie was talking about. These are macro numbers. And to people earning a wage, its like what are yall talking about . Lets talk about whats happening with my wage. Wages are ticking up. Good news. According to the federal reserve, however, Household Net Worth took a hit in 2018. The stock market was ticking along nicely until the last quarter which is when the trade war ticked up and the stock market went down. Households lost a net collective 3. 7 trillion. Thats the biggest drop in Household Wealth since the recession really. What do you make of these things . The market has come back since then. Yes, but i do think it underscores the importance of calming trade fears right now for the administration. That was a very turbulent Fourth Quarter in the stock market. And if you look at things ways in which policy might misfire in ways that could cause this ten year expansion to come to an end and slip into recession, economists that i talk to say that a extended trade conflict could be that mistake. So you see the administration trying to head toward a soft landing of these talks with china, to agree to keep talking, get some soybean purchases, get tariffs off, but the fact that the ambassador to china, terry bran stat said today, were not that close to tway deal is concern for the markets and the administration. Lets talk about a subset of wages i know matters a lot to me. The gender pay gap. It is still an issue. I remember a year ago when larry kudlow was still your colleague at cnbc. He said the gender pay gap didnt exist. He was wrong then. And if he repeats himself today, hed be wrong now because women in the United States were earning 82 of what men did in 2017. That means it would take a woman 47 extra days of work to do the same thing as her male counterpart. And if we close the gap at the rate were going somebody told me its going to be 80 years or something before it closes. I dont understand why it still exists. It just makes absolutely no sense. I guess the point is we can keep looking into why it exists or we can decide, john, what fixes it . Do we need policy prescriptives to actually fix this . Because the free market doesnt seem to be doing it on its own. Well, i dont know how you can have a policy fix that actually solves this problem. So i do think it is a persistent problem and one that will be long lasting. For all the efforts of people in the Obama Administration or the Trump Administration president likes to say ivanka trump has created millions of jobs and championing causes of this kind. But i think its very difficult to move the needle very quickly on this, just like its very difficult to move the needle on Racial Disparities and income. President obama did try to make efforts to the led better law. Compensation transparency. Yes. When you dont know what your peers are being paid, how can you ask more . It may not be a federal government policy prescriptive, but corporate corporate boards universities can do it. We saw it at sales force. Two women walked into Mark Benioffs office. Look at people across the firm. One day, he took with a Human Resources program, he took every job function and every persons name and he righted the wrong. It did cost him, i want to say, Something Like 5 million bucks that day. But he fixed it. You have to have people on the board who think this is a problem. Well, to that point, the changes in Corporate Governance that Elizabeth Warren, for example, is running on, some different mandates in terms of what corporations need to have represented on their boards, thats a potential game changer, i think more than any dictate from the government to the private sector right now. Ali, if people want to argue affirmative action isnt fair, quotas arent fair, equal pay is fair. For equal work is fair. Thats fair. Thats not im not asking you to give me a job that i dont deserve, but the job youve given me, make sure im getting equal pay. Steph, youre right. Transparency is a major element of longterm solutions. John harwood is talking about Elizabeth Warren. You can see on the bottom of the screen tonight at 6 00 p. M. , Elizabeth Warren is going to be talking to ari melber on the beat. They will be discussing this particular issue. And other issues. She is talking on one of, i would say, the most influential industries out there. Elizabeth warren earlier today called for a huge shake up in the tech sector. Aimed at breaking up Companies Like amazon and facebook. Quote, 25 years ago, facebook, google and amazon did not exist. Now theyre among the most valuable and wellknown companies on the planet. It is a great story, but also one that highlights why the government must break up monopolies and promote competitive markets. The new push by warren could signal a new era pitting government against big tech as House Democrats prepare for new oversight in the industry. We know that Amy Klobuchar is going to take this on, digital privacy. And theyre trying to review the now defunct fcc Net Neutrality rules with new legislation. We have to remind you where is Elizabeth Warren . Shes going to be speaking at south by southwest. That is all about altec. At least this week is altec. This idea of breaking up monopolies and antitrust is not a uniquely liberal idea. This is one that is accepted, the lessons we learned from standard oil and monopolies. But breaking up a monopoly and blocking a merger are two different things. Right. Its a good issue and we should be tackling it. So that will be 6 00 tonight. Joining us now is politicos chief economist, economic correspondent ben white. Ben, you know, Elizabeth Warren does speak to a particular audience who will find this very appealing. But there is something to be said about this. There are a whole lot of people who are tech experts and who are very, very pro business who agree that the power that these Tech Companies have accumulated is potentially dangerous. Too much. No, absolutely. I dont think its purely a left wing liberal idea. And i think you mentioned south by southwest. There are plenty of small start up tech folks there and vcs who dont love the power that facebook, google and amazon have. So there will be some receptive audience there as well. And her basic idea is, you know, you cant control both a giant platform like google and amazon and facebook do and then dominate what is transacted on the platform as well. So she would essentially separate the platform operators from everything that happens on their platform. And its big and its bold and its going to be difficult to achieve. It would take both big legislation and regulations to go back and break up mergers so its hard just stay on that. Can you put the tooth paste back in the tube . To say lets break whats app, instagram and facebook, im not sure how you value that. Because since those acquisitions happened, the value is significantly greater. So while it makes a bold statement and she chose a position realistically do you actually think Something Like that would happen . I dont realistically think it will happen. But, you know, things have happened we didnt expect to happen before. Ali was talking about breaking up some of the old giant monopolies. Youre right. She would have to put regulators in the antitrust division of the Justice Department and elsewhere who would be willing to be incredibly aggressive in targeting stuff like facebook and instagram and putting the tooth paste back in the tube. I dont know structurally if she can do that, but at least the direction would be to not allow more of those type of mergers and looking at possibly unpacking some of the ones that exist. Incredibly ambitious. I do think this is more of the democratic ideas primary than it is something that is in our imminent future, that these things are going to get busted up. Lets talk about the merger of comcast and nbc, this company, or charter and at t. The reason we allow these mergers to take place is because there are regulations that are put into place to manage them. Right. There are arguments about whether theyre successful or not. But with the tech industry, were not even regulating that side. So if you are one of these big Tech Companies, afraid of this, you know, being broken up, wouldnt it be better to go halfway down that road and say lets agree to some reasonable regulation to avoid people coming in and breaking us up . I think thats absolutely right. And thats where its going to show itself in the privacy debate you mentioned Amy Klobuchar and the work shes doing there. I think some of these Companies Realize that a lot of public backlash against them is because people are afraid of how their data is being used, who its being sold to. So theyre going to have to be proactive and not try to block all of that stuff. Theyre going to have to work with regulators and accept the fact that theyve breached peoples privacy in massive ways and theyre going to have to accept regulation on that front. I think in future mergers and acquisitions, theyre going to have to be wary of the fact that the trend is moving against them. And that regulators eventually will step in and try to block some of this stuff. So if youre facebook, google, amazon, you really have to be not trying to stand in the way of all new regulation like these industries have done in the past but instead say we screwed up a lot of these areas. We would rather work with you than have a president Elizabeth Warren bust us up in a few years. Thank you. Thank you. Always great to have you here. Have a good weekend. You, too. While we are awaiting details of the Mueller Report, one question is being asked. What if it calls into question whether the president of the United States should be indicted . Next were going to be speaking to j. T. 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In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. President s former Campaign Manager will stay behind bars, but not for as long as federal guidelines suggested he should. The sentencing guidelines in Paul Manaforts virginia case in which he was convicted of crimes, including conspiracy against the United States, recommended 19 1 2 to 24 years. That is nowhere close to what manafort was given. The judge, instead, cited manaforts, quote, otherwise blameless life. Having a sentence just 47 months, under four years. He was given credit for the time hes already served, bringing the total time hell serve for the virginia case to just under three years and two months. He still faces sentencing in his d. C. Case, but even a maximum there would only bring his prison time up to about 14 years, which is below the lower range in the estimate that was recommended to the judge yesterday. The life thing was interesting. Its not like this is a oneoff. It was ten years. Its been anyway Martha Stewart was one off. Right. A new question as we wait for special counsel Robert Mueller to finish up his investigation, quote, what if the Mueller Report demands bold action . That is a topic explored by j. T. Smith who is executive assistant to attorney general Elliott Richardson, the man who resigned when ordered by his president Richard Nixon to fire special prosecutor Archibald Cox setting up what came to be known as the saturday night massacre. Joining us is j. T. Smith, now retired attorney who worked with genrich ardern son in 1973. Good to see you. Can i go first . Please. Did your thesis change last night. Your piece posted yesterday. When we saw how Paul Manafort was treated, to say it was with kid gloves would be a gift, has your viewpoint changed as far as what bold action was . Because he was given a gift yesterday. No, my viewpoint isnt influenced by what judge ellis decided was right for Paul Manafort. I basically think thats a side show. All right. Lets talk about your oped where you say very bluntly if mr. Barr, the attorney general, determined that mr. Muellers findings compel legal action, he should reconsider the policy against indictment of a sitting president. I want to remind our viewers, as we await this Mueller Report, it is a policy. Its the office of Legal Counsel that guides prosecutors in how they are to act with respect to indicting a president. Its not the law. Thats correct. And my oped aims to point out the context in which that opinion was first developed. It was that there was a vicepresident serving under nixon. Nixon was under the watergate cloud. The vicepresident was provably a corrupt man. And the question was how most expeditiously to get agnew out of a heartbeat away. There were three possible answers to the question of the indictability of a vicepresident and a president. One was neither indictable, the other would be both be indictable. The third alternative was vicepresident indictable, president not indictable. The only way to handle that situation, that context was a determination that the vicepresident but not the president was indictable for the simple reason that the Nixon White House would not have allowed richardson to indict agnew in a context where it was a precedent for potential indictment of Richard Nixon. So the white house didnt want impeachment because they were afraid if impeachment proceedings began against agnew, they would also roll in nixon. Every day we talk about wait till we see the Mueller Report, wait till we see it. We might not ever see it. The special prosecutor of your era created what we would call a road map that congress then followed in the watergate hearings. But that road map today is still a secret. Why not reveal it . And if the nearly 50yearold document is still under seal, how can we expect we are going to see any substantial part of the Mueller Report to be made public . Well, i dont know, stephanie, about the socalled secret road map. I do know that jaworski as successor to cox put out an indictment naming nixon as an unindicted coconspirator. But thats as far as my knowledge goes. My oped, as it pains to say, whatever the determination of the Justice Department and attorney general barr, that whatever information mueller develops ought to be shared with the public and the congress. Its the simple matter that if they adhere to the policy of no indictment of the sitting president , and that the judgment of the sitting president should be left to the political and public processes, then those processes need the transparency and sunlight of muellers information may provide. We talked to liz holtz man, former d. A. And member of congress, and she often says the change after the saturday night massacre was actually in Public Opinion, which guided republicans in congress about what to do. And without that shift in Public Opinion in other words, at the moment, donald trump is not an albatross around the neck of elected republicans, and, hence, you are not going to see the same action taken by congress as was taken in the nixon era. His Approval Rating is up. Correct, his Approval Rating is up. What do you make of that there . Because if this is ultimately Something Congress has to push the Justice Department to do, what happens here . I am as depressed as others about the lack of vigor on the senate side of the congress, but im given some hope by the recent pushback on the declaration of a national emergency. That in and of itself could prove out to be part of an impeachment proceeding. And so all of us have to ultimately hope that the institutions of this government constitutional institutions that have stood up now for some 200 years, will bear the burden of this rather exceptional president. And quickly, before we go, your take. Bill barr will be acting in the best interest of the American People or hell prioritize acting at the pleasure or discretion of the president . I, from what i know of bill barr, believe that there is a chance that the combination of barr and mueller will prove to be a combination of principled men, such as was the case with Elliott Richardson and Archibald Cox. So i think were blessed to have two principled men on the hot spot as this saga unfolds. And i trust or hope and trust that together they will do the right thing. J. T. Smith, good to see you, sir. He was assistant executive attorney to Elliott Richardson in 1973. Check out his oped, its compelling. 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The Census Bureau is asking the department of Homeland Security for files on millions of immigrants, including noncitizens, as it collects data ahead of the 2020 census according to the Associated Press, the data would, quote, give the Census Bureau a view of immigrants citizenship status that is even more precise than what could be gathered indoor to door canvassing according to bureau research. The request comes as a second federal judge ruled that the Trump Administration cannot add as question on citizenship to the 2020 census. And as the Supreme Court has already preparing to hear arguments on the case next month. It is not uncommon for federal agencies like the irs or Social Security to provide the Census Bureau with supplemental information, but the Associated Press says this level of data dump would, quote, be apparently unprecedented even though the Census Bureau cannot share personal data that they collect with other agencies. Lets look at what we know about the Trump Administrations plans for the 2020 census. The census is taken, as you know, every ten years starting in 1790, by the way. Its mandated by the constitution. And the results determine the number of congressional representatives in each state and how federal funding is allocated for resources, like roads and bridges. 2020 is going to be the first year that all residents will be able to fill out the census online, which the bureau hopes is going to increase responses and save time and money. Paper forms will still be available, however. Lets talk a little bit more about this with victoria de francesco. Shes a professor at the l. B. J. Public Affairs University of texas and an msnbc contributor. Okay. So, help us through this. To the average viewer, to the average eye, they might say, okeydoke, theyre asking for more information. More information is good. Walk us through the risks and why people will not want to participate. Right, stephanie. So lets start with the back ground of the last couple of years during the Trump Administration regarding immigrants and immigrant status. Its one of fear. Its one of folks being very scared that they are going to be hauled off, deported, their Family Members, their loved ones are going to be detained. So there is this larger environment of fear. And when you take an already very fearful population and you ask them to give you sensitive information, namely, what their immigration status is, that pushes folks further and further into the shadows, which then means folks are not going to be answering the census and theyre just going to be ignoring it and saying, im too scared to answer it. But what happens is that affects all of us because the funding that is determined through the census, as ali was just saying, our roads, our bridges, medicaid funding, head start funding it affects all of us. And also the redistricting. So were going to be seeing the money not being allocated correctly, and also states that should be getting more seats because of growth in their population, not getting those seats. And states where actually losing population perhaps holding onto that. So its just a big hot mess would be my take on this. Public Health Issues are not dealt with because of this very fear, people dont want to answer certain questions on the census so they dont put it in. You have great swaths of the population who are not representative. San francisco judge had some strong words for wilbur ross in his Court Decision on wednesday saying, quote, he acted in bad faith in disclosing the basis of his decision to include the Citizenship Question and used Voting Rights as a pretext to justify it. Est said what does that mean . Yeah, what does that mean . So, the Voting Rights act, wilbur ross said one of the reasons they wanted to include the Citizenship Question was to get a better statistical handle on the voting age population to then go ahead and strengthen the Voting Rights act. I dont know how they ultimately can connect the two. There are a lot of ways to strengthen the Voting Rights act and to make voting easier. I dont think this is one way. Let me just speak as a survey researcher. The survey research 101 is you simplify survey instruments to maximize response rates. Thats what you do. And what theyre doing here is making it infinitely more complicated. So folks are not going to be answering. And the fact is that there have been two instances in the past where the Census Bureau has shared information. The first one was japanese internment. The second one was after 9 11 for arab americans. So add that to this fearful immigrant rhetoric we see in the Trump Administration and people are not going to fill this out. 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