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So this may be investors saying, oh, maybe you are okay with ending some of these trade wars. Well talk about this trade deal and what it means. Lets get to the white house where right now the president and first lady are wrapping up a meeting with the president of kenya and his wife. Geoff bennett joins me. I want to get back to senator mccain and the controversy over flags that are at half staff in congress and many other places in the country but not at the white house. They were at half staff and are now back to full staff. Reporter flags are lowered by president ial proclamation so its the president who decides who receives that honor and the recent tradition for senators who die in office have been to have flags lowered in their honor from the day of death until their burial. So during president obamas time in office, he had four Sitting Senators die. There was ted kennedy, robert byrd, daniel inouhe. John mccain under President Trump did not receive that honor. He appears to be strictly following the u. S. Flag code when says flags only need to be lowered on the day of their death and the day after. The reason why this even matters is because this really exemplifies the long history of mutual disdain. The president Disparaged John Mccain in life and now hes refusing to honor him following his death, ali. All right, geoff. The Trade Agreement with mexico, which was a if you didnt see it, its kind of weird the way it was announced. It went off a little bit it was a rocky start to the whole thing. But whats been the reaction so far to this deal with mexico that the president says is not nafta and its separate and hes going to rip up nafta. Reporter i feel like im preaching to the choir here, but canada is the big x factor because they have been on the sidelines of these talks since july as mexico and the u. S. Focused on settling their differences. So clearly this is the president s way of putting pressure on canada. He wants to fundamentally rebalance that trade relationship. Donald trump, as we know, to be tricky stuff. In the short term President Trump gets to claim victory, its a promise delivered and its counterprogramming for the blowback hes getting for his handling on john mccains passing. Geoff, thank you very much. The trade deal comes more than a year after President Trump ordered nafta to be renegotiated. I want to take a closer look at what is in this agreement between the United States and mexico. Again, its not a replacement to nafta, its an agreement in principle, if you will. The deal requires that 75 of a cars parts must be made in the United States and mexico in order to avoid tariffs. This is up from roughly 62. 5 right now. 40 to 45 of those parts must be made by workers earning at least 16 an hour. That means that some mexican workers could get a raise as autoworkers there are paid less than their american counterparts. It could also mean some workers lose their jobs and some jobs come to the United States. In addition, if this is approved by congress, and it has to be, tariffs on Agricultural Products will go back to what they were under nafta, generally zero. And the trade deal calls forrin sent ives for increasing production of textiles and clothing in the United States and mexico. The u. S. And mexico hope to reach a threeway deal with canada by the end of this month. It remains to be seen if canada will agree to the terms of this deal or reach its own separate agreement with the United States. Getting a threeway deal done by the end of august would Mean Congress gets three months to consider this and pass it and that would allow enough time for mexicos parliament to ratify the deal before the new president takes office on december 1st. Some think that is important because the incoming president may not be as open to this as the outgoing president. However, because of procedural requirements, congress wouldnt be able to vote on this deal until early next year. Thanks to nafta, mexico has become one of americas largest trading partners. In 2017 the United States and mexico traded nearly 616 billion in goods and services across the border. The u. S. Had a Trade Deficit with mexico of about 64 billion. Joining us is matt gold. Matt is a former Deputy Assistant u. S. Trade representative for north america. Hes consulted with american businesses on the renegotiation of nafta and other Trade Agreements. He teaches International Trade law at the Fordham University school of law. Matt, good to have you here, thank you. Great to be here. This is in the weeds, man, this is hard stuff for people to get their heads around. This is really the sausage being made. But nafta, all parties agreed there was going to be some renegotiation, that was already in the books. The president represented this as him having destroyed nafta, hes going to do a new deal. Maybe canada will join. If not, the train is leaving the station without them. What this is is another step in the Renegotiating Nafta and creating nafta 1. 00. 01. Trump hdid get some meaningful progress there. Presenting it as if the United States is pulling out of nafta, going alone with mexico has two purposes. One, hes trying to scare the canadians so they pressure Prime Minister trudeau to give trump two concessions when canada comes back to the table which trump is not going to get. And the other is to remind his base that when he promised hed really shake things up, hes still prepared to do that as we get closer to the midterms. So the language he used was interesting to his base, but in fact if you look at the concessions that he did get, theyre not terrible. Might not be a bad renegotiation. No, there are a lot of concessions actually not concessions, but a lot of changes that were beneficial to all three countries. It took them most of the year to negotiate things relating to telecommunications, things relating to how you inspect meat and Animal Products and grain and plant products coming into your country. Lots of changes relating to the Digital Economy which all three countries wanted. But the six big changes he wanted, hes probably not going to get anything but partially this one change. So if you look at it, is it good . Yes. Is this what he promised to constituents who voted for him to change the economy around and overhauling nafta . No, not even close. To the point that the president says these negotiations are all bad. Nobody makes a good deal and i dont like multilateral negotiations and then he goes and sort of rips up the script, causes markets to be unstable for several months, sort of launches a Global Trade War and then gets one of the six things or one and a half of the six things he wanted, thats sort of how he works. Yes. He likes to play canada and mexico off each other. Theyre a little too smart for that. Theyre communicating greatly and theyre actually tag teaming him. The congress itself, not the current one and not the very different one well see in january would approve us pulling out of nafta and going into two bilateral agreements. Would or would not . Would not. Is there any issue the president is going to face with congress and who will like it more . Both sides will approve it. Its a very small positive everyone will agree on. Democrats will be stuck on two particular things. Nafta had provisions relating to labor and the environment but in Side Agreements and so were not enforceable. For years we wanted to move them into the main agreement and make them enforceable. The democrats are really stuck on that. Nobody knows whether that will happen or not but thats the one thing democrats will be stuck on. Generally, this is still a small net positive. In the end, theres no reason why Congress Wont approve it. Thanks. Matt gold is a former Deputy Assistant u. S. Trade representative for north america and Adjunct Professor at fordham law school. The nations Top School Loan Official is stepping down saying the Trump Administration turned its back on young people and their financial futures. He cited what he says is the white houses hostility toward protecting the Student Loan Borrowers from predatory lenders. He has been at the helm. Student loan market since 2016 and is the latest highlevel departure from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau since Mick Mulvaney took over last november. Up next, what the loss of john mccain means to the republican party. Im joined by Ohio Governor john kasich. Plus john mccains moving Farewell Message to the nation. Youre watching msnbc. Youre watching msnbc. So you jd telling people geico could help them save money on Car Insurance . Yea,that and homeowners, renters, motorcycle and boat insurance. Huh. Thats nice. What happens when you catch a fish . Gecko whoa. Geico. More than just Car Insurance. See how much you could save at geico. Com. Im ok im ray and i quit smoking with chantix. I tried to quit smoking for years on my own. I couldnt do it. I needed help. For me, chantix worked. It did. Chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. Chantix, without a doubt, reduced my urge to smoke. 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Wifi fast enough for the whole family is simple, easy, awesome. In many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40s. Campaign manager read it out loud this afternoon. It begins with senator mccain thanking the American People for the privilege of serving them and it ends like this. Fellow americans, that association has meant more to me than any other. I lived and died a proud american. We are citizens of the worlds greatest republic, a nation of ideals, not blood and soil. We are blessed and are a blessing to humanity when we uphold and advance those ideals at home and in the world. We have helped liberate more people from tyranny and poverty than ever before in history, and we have acquired great wealth and power in the progress. We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment, hatred and violence in all the globe. We weaken it when we hide behind walls rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideals rather than trust them to be the great force for change they have always been. We are 325 million opinionated, vociferous individuals. We argue and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that we all love our country, we will get through these challenging times. We will come through them stronger than before. We always do. Ten years ago i had the privilege to concede defeat in the election for president. I want to end my farewell to you with heartfelt faith in americans that i felt so powerfully that evening. I feel it powerfully still. Do not despair of our present difficulties. We believe always in the promise and greatness of america, because nothing is inevitable here. Americans never quit, we never surrender, we never hide from history, we make history. For more on the life of senator mccain im joined by a man who knew him well, Ohio Governor john kasich. Thanks for being with us. Thank you. I just have to say those words again. We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries. John mccain is not the only american who shares these types of views. Hes not the only American Hero and hes not the only republican who carries this torch, but he was one of the most symbolic ones, certainly in washington. Who carries that torch now . Thats something we have to reflect on. But, you know, he carried a torch that was brighter than all the other torches. Look, john was a guy who fought really, really hard, but at the end it never was personal. He was a guy that had certain principles and ideals about our country, both domestically and internationally. It took a lot to really get him to think negatively about anybody. You know, you think about the outpouring now in the United States senate and the amazing thing here is it normally takes some sort of a catastrophe in the country to bring people together, but through the death of this man, the country is united. I was struck my senator schumer saying that they should name one of the buildings there on capitol hill after john. I mean over in munich, i just received word now that theres going to be an award in his honor. They refer to john mccain as their dear friend and colleague. The guy was just hes just unbelievable. And i was privileged to know him and be his buddy. Hes just a heck of a guy. Look, everybody whos worked with him in the senate, journalists who have known him, know that he likes to spar. You know, he doesnt pull any punches. He wrote an oped in january of this year entitled, mr. President , stop attacking the press. He said journalists play an Important Role in the promotion and protection of democracy and they must be able to do their jobs freely. Only truth and transparency can guarantee freedom. Governor, you and i have talked about this. A recent poll just taken august 9th by quinnipiac shows that 51 of republicans sort of agree with the president that the media is the enemy of the people. You see this as a real problem that we have to try and f ix . Well, i share senator mccains view. If you get in to talk about john, john, what, five and a half years in a prison tortured, beaten, after he was injured once he was recovered, he believed so strongly in the principles that make america great, which is the strength of the judiciary, the strength of the congress, the strength of the court, the strength of the press. These are the institutions, these are the institutions that are the foundation of a free society. And people get frustrated with the press. I just had a friend tell me the other day, well, you know, theyre all liberal. Well, in some sense if youre in the media, you tend to be more liberal. If youre building bridges, you tend to be more conservative. Thats okay as long as the bridge is safe and i understand the news. So we cant get too cranked up about this. Part of it is you cant root for your own team. You can be for your team but to root for my team come hell or high water, mccain would be the first one to tell you no. The thing that sticks in my mind was that incredible scene on the senate floor when he held his hand out just as though he was sitting over in the coliseum in rome and gave the thumbs down. And you know why he did it . Because he was worried that too many people in america would be hurt. And i called john after that. And i said, john, you know and heres the funny thing about this, ali. John is a colleague of mine. Yeah. But in some sense i didnt call him and ask him for things, but i want him to be proud of me. I want him to give me an attaboy. I called him like the next day and i said, john, you now have made it clear that you can be my hero forever. And he is. Hes my hes nothing like i wish everybody in america could know mccain. His laughter, how strongly he felt about things. He was just he was just fun to be around, no question. And he was like that with everybody. Everybody. He would get into a conversation with anybody who wanted to have it. He would talk politics. We happened to be in a car together some years ago and we were just having the best conversation. But ill tell you, i know youre a little annoyed, as Many Americans are, about this flag at the white house business not being at half staff. Well, i think its shameful, to be honest with you. Weve lowered all the flags youve done it in ohio . In ohio. Were going to pay respect and honor to this man. But i happen to believe in the decency of every individual, every human being, even with those that i can have strong feelings about. I dont wish them harm. My responsibility as a man of faith, as hard as it is sometimes to always have that faith, is to look for the basic decency in others, to search for it, even when sometimes its hard to find. And the lowering of the flags across this country is just a great sign of respect for what he represented in terms of values. I want to tell you one other thing, ali, that i want to do any time i do any interview. I called john when i found out that he was sick and i asked him point blank, how are you doing with the big guy . Hows your faith . And he said to me, johnny, hes one of three people that call me johnny, my mother, my wife and him. He said, johnny, im all squared away there. Wow. And i said, good, john. That means that i never have to be concerned about you and well be together again someday. And you will. Governor, its great to hear you remembering john mccain. Its something were all going to be for weeks and days now and we should be. And, ali, you should. We sometimes get bored by news if theres not the yelling and the screaming, but this is one time when we can all think deeply about who we are and what we do in our lives. Well said, sir. Thank you for joining me today. Ohio governor john kasich. Investigators in jacksonville are searching for a motive behind a deadly shooting at a video gaming tournament. Well also take a look at Floridas Gun Laws and how easy it is to get hold of a firearm there. Youre watching msnbc. There. Youre watching msnbc. If you have psoriasis,. Little things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis differently. With otezla, 75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with. 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As we wait to learn more about the gunman who opened fire at a Video Game Tournament in jacksonville, florida, and where he got his gun, its worth taking another look at gun laws in florida. Florida does not require a permit to buy rifles or handguns. It doesnt require firearms to be registered, and it does not require gun owners to be licensed. Florida does not require a permit to carry a rifle. It does require a permit to carry a handgun. There are very few restrictions on gun owners other than that requirement to carry a permit if youre a handgun owner. Theres also a red flag law that allows police to take guns from those deemed dangerous by their friends and family up to a year. If a gun is purchased in florida, theres a threeday waiting period but this doesnt apply if you trade in your old gun for a new gun. Only the State Government in florida is allowed to enact gun legislation. Local governments are not allowed to make their own laws on firearms. Any local Government Official that tries to do something, like post a sign prohibiting guns, risks removal from office and a 5,000 fine. Ten localities are suing the state of florida over that law. Republican governor rick scott running for the u. S. Senate seat currently held by bill nelson had this to say about it last night. I think we all need to do is really stop and start praying about why why young men, why this is happening to young men. I think weve got to pray about it. Weve got to take action, you cant just pray about something, but something has got to change. Now, people who participate in these Video Game Tournaments are calling for increased security at the events in wake of yesterdays shooting at jacksonville. Investigators say they still dont know why 24yearold david katz opened fire at the madden 19 tournament in jacksonville. He killed two people and hurt ten others before he killed himself. He didnt talk with fellow gamers either online or when they met face to face. Maya rodriguez joins us now from jacksonville with the latest. Maya. Reporter yeah, ali. 22yearold eli clayton and 27 taylor robinson, the two People Killed by the gunman yesterday, by all accounts were well liked and well known within the gaming community. Like you said, police have not released a particular motive in this case or whether these two individuals were targeted by the gunman. The Sheriffs Office just wrapped up a News Conference just a short time ago. They said the guns they found with katz were purchased legally in maryland. Police were at his home in baltimore yesterday combing through the home trying to find any evidence that might be related to this shooting. Again, no motive yet as to what katz might have been thinking before this shooting started but one of the things we are hearing is some of the actions of the brave First Responders who happened to be nearby when all of this started. One of them was someone with the Sheriffs Office happened to be driving by the landing here. The other was a group of firefighters who were doing training at a nearby fire station nearby here to the landing. They both saw the commotion, they both saw all of these people running out of the landing when the shooting started, and they all headed inside to try and help tend to the wounded. Take a listen to what the jacksonville fire chief had to say about that. We heard that there were at least eight people shot inside. Our training tells us that we need to stand by until the scene is secure, but from the getgo we were right in the middle of the scene as it occurred, so there was no staging. So we werent going to be staging at that point. So the jso officer and a number of us went inside to start tending to the wounded where we found the scene, a number of trauma alerts. Reporter now, keep in mind that they were wearing no protective gear, no bulletproof vests when they did enter the scene as the shooting was happening. Another good bit of news out here, one of the hospitals that had taken in some of the victims in this shooting, they said four people have been discharged. One person is still at the hospital in good condition. One more person remains in serious condition. Ali. Well, that is a bit of a Silver Lining around a big dark cloud, maya. Thanks very much. Maya rodriguez for us in jacksonville, florida. With just over two months to go until the midterm elections, Conspiracy Theorists are hard at work pushing theories to sway your vote. Were looking at who among us is being targeted. Youre watching msnbc. Youre watching msnbc. E potentia onceweekly ozempic®. In a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. Oh under seven . vo and you may lose weight. 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At office depot officemax. The midterm elections are 71 days away. Conspiracy theorists are busy ramping up efforts to spread false stories. Now, this may sound familiar and dangerous. Its been less than two years since a 29yearold opened fire inside a pizzaria in washington, d. C. , to, quote, self investigate pizzagate. Luckily he didnt hit anyone. Thats a Conspiracy Theory that involved Hillary Clinton and a nonexistent child Sex Trafficking Ring that apparently was taking place in the basement of a Pizza Restaurant that didnt have a basement. The shooter pled guilty and is serving four years in prison but new conspiracies are emerging targeting Small Businesses in whats being called the new pizzagate. Heres nbc news jo ling kent. Andrew richman never thought his Ice Cream Chain would be a target. Some of the things were we were part of the illuminati, child pedophilia. Its ice cream. It all started when the sweet jesus shop started receiving strange messages on their social media pages, accusing the owners of running child Sex Trafficking Rings. They received threatening phone calls and online Conspiracy Theorists flooded their instagram and facebook pages with accusations and terrifying comments. Its really disheartening that people come up with stuff like this. In portland, oregon, Voodoo Doughnuts is going through something eerily similar. The manager tells nbc news off camera theyre getting more calls from Conspiracy Theorists than customers ordering doughnuts. On yelp customers are accusing the owners of child trafficking. I dont know what kind of person believes in that stuff but if you do, youve clearly never been here. It started from internet users that call themselves patriot researchers. A chat program with private groups they rail against politicians, celebrities and businesses they falsely claim harm children. They also gain traction on big league politics, a farright media outlet that pushes Conspiracy Theories run by a former breitbart reporter. Republicans like ted cruz, devin nunes and House Majority whip Steve Scalise have all used big league to fund raise. After nbc news informed them of conspiracies promoted on the site, cruz and scalise said theyd sever the relationship and return any money raised. Nbc news broke the story. I found that there are hundreds, thousands of people c congregating and alleging these businesses are engaging in pedophilia and its having online consequence. Reporter the threats against Voodoo Doughnut appear to have grown from a Youtube Video that made base allegations against the doughnut chain. When i talked to a manager at vood voodoo, she said expressed concern and said what would we do if someone came in with a gun. Auto dont know what resources they are expending but im sure that its in their mind and i know that they have Police Presence sort of around and are thinking about this issue. Reporter in a statement Portland Police tells nbc news based on what we have seen, there is no information to suggest that any of the allegations against voodoo are credible. Back at sweet jesus ice cream, the cofounder is focused on safety. Really worrying about the front line people in the shop. Im in the shops sometimes. We talked about Lockdown Procedures and staff training on how not talked about, we did staff training on how to deal with hostile customers phone calls, anything they get confronted with. Joining me now, jo ling kent. Jo, this is a crazy story. An ice cream guy is talking about how to deal with a shooter and a doughnut store. How do these issues get handled. By the way, is social media helping to catch these things and fix them . Well, there are terms of use from the social Media Companies that they are trying to put away some of these disinformation campaigns, but it wheels like whackamole as facebook and twitter and youtube do take down some of this content. But that real world impact continues to hold true here. The Portland Police telling us they have received an enormous number of phone calls and emails asking why these Conspiracy Theories by their supporters are not being investigated further. In fact, there is continuing fear about what could come next. A few days ago, one commenter posted saying that its time for a road trip to one of these locations, ending it with lol. Wow. All right, jo, thanks for reporting this story. Coming up, john mccain took the lead on understanding and exposing the perils of russian influence on foreign governments and on international elections. After the break im joined by two men, both of whom risked their lives working alongside mccain on these very issues. 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That appears to be the flag at half staff at the white house, but im not sure i can see as clearly from here as i should. Is that what were looking at . As you know theres been a whole lot of controversy about that flag. It was lowered for a day and then it was raised while at congress it is at half staff for john mccain. It does appear to me that the flag is at half staff. Ill just make sure that we confirm that for you. Reporters have repeatedly asked President Trump, wont you say anything about john mccain . The president has today repeatedly ignored those questions and he has yet to praise the late senator, even though theres plenty he could say. Let me just help him out with this. Senator mccain is a Third Generation military man who graduated from the Naval Academy in 1958. While flying his 23rd mission in the vietnam war, mccains bomber jet was shot down. He ejected from the plane but broke both arms and a leg. He landed in a lake wearing 50 pounds of gear. He was able to escape drowning by using his teeth to pull an inflatable life preserver. He was pulled out of the lake by a group of people who beat, kicked and stabbed him multiple times. He was thrown into a vietnamese prison without medical attention for days. He was offered Early Release but turned it down because he refused to leave before the american prisoners captured before him were released. After that he was beaten every two or three hours for days. He didnt see his wife or kids for six years. The government awarded mccain the silver star, the purple heart, the bronze medal, the Navy Combat Action ribbon, the Prisoner Of War Medal and many, many, many more. He went on to serve 31 years as a congressman and then as a senator. So let me recap for the president. Senator john mccain survived being blown out of the sky, sinking to the bottom of a lake, five and a half years of torture and since then he has walked with a limp and couldnt raise his arms above his shoulders. Now, recently john mccain was one of the loudest voices warning of russias growing influence and its attacks on american elections. My next two guests are prominent figures who worked directly with mccain on these issues. Joining me now is bill browder, the man responsible for the Magnitsky Act. You might recognize that last name from last months Helsinki Summit when putin singled out bill browder during his joint Press Conference with President Trump. Also russian dissent, Vice Chairman of the Pro Democracy Group open russia. This is not a topic the three of us Noernlally Tarmally talk abo think its important to understand a new angle to john mccain. Bill, when you were looking to get the Magnitsky Act first passed, you gravitated to john mccain because you thought his history, having been tortured, as was Sergei Magnitsky, might make him a natural ally. In order to get a law passed in washington, you need a democrat and you need a republican. Senator benjamin cardin, democrat, agreed to cosponsor the bill and he said find me a republican. So i looked down the list of republicans and john mccains name just jumped off the list. He had spent five years being tortured in a vietnamese prison camp. I thought if theres one person who would sympathize with Sergei Magnitsky being tortured for 358 days in a russian prison, it would be john mccain. Sure enough, when i sat down with john mccain and i took him through the story, i had 15 minutes with mccain. As i started the story and his secretary knocked on the door, he put his hand up and said, no, i want to hear more. Another 15 minutes, he put his hand up. People were piling up outside the room. I spent an hour with john mccain and at the end of the meeting he said i will sponsor your legislation. What else can we do to get justice for Sergei Magnitsky. From that moment on he became our biggest advocate fighting for justice for Sergei Magnitsky. And you had overwhelming support because of your two cosponsors. These two cosponsors. Senator john card en and mccain, people followed them because of their natural leadership. Its a story we hear from a lot of people and different things. John mccain came to Social Justice very naturally. Some can say it was because he was tortured, in prison and shot down. In fact, it may be bill and i were talking about this, that may be deeper than that. He fundamentally felt injustice personally. I think thats right, and he was just somebody who fundamentally believed and supported such principles as civil rights, human dignity. You know, and the right to every individual to every human being to live in peace and freedom. I can tell you there was no bigger and stronger supporter of a free and democratic russia and of the russian freedoms of russian citizens on capitol hill than john mccain. Its one of the biggest lies propagated by russian state media that john mccain was an enemy of russia. Thats what they called him both in life and in death. If you look at the headlines the past couple of days, pro Kremlin Russian state media, headlines contain epithets, nothing could be further from the truth. He was certainly an enemy, he made no secret of that, of the crooks, criminals and those who usurp power in russia who have been robbing the russian people of our future, our hopes and our wealth. He called them what they deserve to be called. Murderers thieves and liars. He was never an enemy of the russian people. I can tell you the doors of his office in the Senate Russell building were always open for russian democrats, Russian Civil Society leaders and journalists. As bill broader just mentioned, john mccain was a leading force behind the Magnitsky Act against putin regime officials who were engaged in corruption and the rights of russian citizens. The Opposition Leader a friend of john mccain publicly called the Magnitsky Act the most prorussian law ever passed. We in the media use russia as an adversary. You always point out, russia is not the adversary, the russian people are not adversaries. This is a government issue. Bill, the Magnitsky Act, for instance, spoke to the idea that youre not targeting russian people. These are targeted to the types of people who are supporting the putin regime, administration. So, the Magnitsky Act which was the child of john mccain and benjamin card en told the whole concept of sanctions on its head. Instead of sanctioning the russian people and hurting them. , the victims of this terrible regime, you single out the top guys. The actual perpetrators. Who did the torturing, ordered the murdering, you sanction them and take away their ability to travel, their ability to use u. S. Banks, freeze their assets. And guess what . They really hate that. And that suits a guy like john mccain because john mccain had no beef with the russian people. He had no argument with the russian people at all. In fact, he felt for the injustice they suffered. He felt for the russian people but he hated injustice. He found a tool which addressed this injustice. And we all found this tool which putin hates. And the more putin hates, the more we know we found the right tool. He wasnt shy about running roughshod over whatever the political ideas were at the time and john mccain, he was able to he was more concerned about what was right than what was politically correct. This is an interesting point, vladimir. We have an interesting tweet you sent out. Tell me if i translate it wrong. John mccain was not a politician in the classical sense. He was alien to the politique, he was an honest man. ] and integrity is not something associated with politics in the modern age. John mccain was a rarity. He was somebody who stood up for principles, who spoke the truth regardless of, you know, party or political advantage. And i think it would be unfair to describe him as a politician. He was a states man, never a politician. And he really believed in the ideals and the principles and in the values. That was his reason for being in politics. And, you know, ill always consider it among the greatest privileges and the greatest blessings of my life to have known him and to have worked with him on so many issues, you know, over the time period spanning the decade. It was the Magnitsky Act. It was his public advocacy for russian political prisoners. It was his public support for the Rights And Freedoms of the russian people. And most recently in what was one of his last legislative accomplishments, was the law that designated the street in front of the Russian Embassy here in washington, d. C. Where i am now as boris nimsov plaza, in leader of t honor of the late leader. He will was too ill to attend the ceremony in february. He issued the Public Statement on that day. And again, i just want to reiterate that unlike many, too many unfortunately political leaders in the west, john mccain never confused, never equated russia as a nation, russia as a country and the crooked regime of putin and the kremlin. Went out of his way to make sure he advocated for the Rights And Freedoms of russian citizens while targeting, individually targeting those crooks and autocrats who are infringing on their rights. Few years ago john mccain actually issued a public state, open letter addressed to the citizens of Russia Refuting that Propaganda Myth put out by the kremlin media that he was somehow an enemy or opponent of the russian people. And this message said that, you know, the russian people deserve much better than having a corrupt and authoritarian government. Well leave it there. Were out of time. The day russian citizens are able to freely and democratically choose their own i have to leave it there unfortunately. Im out of time, vladimir. 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