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season. Thunder was unreal. Lets get straight to politics, shall we. Mika. Last night donald trump easily won Washington State primary pulling him within 40 delegates, 40 of clinching the nomination. I can hear a pickup truck. Anyhow, that was overshadowed by violent night in albuquerque. Antitrump protests clashed outside the gop rally last night in new mexico. Some of the crowd waved mexican flags while others set fires and even more chanted obscenities marching throughout the streets. Things escalated when threw rocks at protesters and what and to be pepper spray to disperse the crowd. The Police Department said there were several injuries from getting hit with rocks and at least one person was arrested. Trump had reportedly left the area when the clash escalated on his way to los angeles where he will hold a mainly fundraiser. Inside Albuquerque Convention Center Protesters sporadically interrupted trumps event where 8,000 turned out to hear him speak. At the rally trump spent a lot of time can we talk about the protest. Does anybody question every time this happens, it just helps donald trump. His opponents just play right into his hands. Absolutely. I think it builds him up but how do you tell these people that really dont like trump to stay home. Thats a good way to do it. Talking about the disorder and chaos. Want to empathize with peoples lives who feel generally threatened by trumps
policies. It plays to the sent of lawlessness trump says he will restore. Restore law and order. 1968 thing order versus chaos, can i bring order versus chaos. Remember chicago the night he had to cancel the speech, walltowall coverage, it will be horrible for donald trump. Every network all night long, bigger than the rally. Perfect for trump. Spent time responding to attacks when she seized on his comments that he hoped the Housing Market would crash so he could go in and buy. Here is the web ad followed by clintons attacks on the trail and trumps response last night. This is an economy that cant find the bottom of bad news. Ten years of savings completely gone, vanished. The biggest crash of Household Wealth weve ever had in the United States. I kind of hope that happens
because then people like me would go in and buy. If there is a bubble burst as they call it, you know, you could make a lot of money. He actually said he was hoping for the crash that caused hardworking families across california and america to lose their homes all because he thought he could take advantage of it to make some money for himself. Now he says he wants to roll back the financial regulations that we have imposed on wall street to let them run wild again. Ill tell you what, you and i together, we are not going to let him bankrupt america. And he has experience in bankruptcy. I see this low life, she puts on an ad, did you know donald trump was rooting against housing because he wants housing to go down because he wanted to
buy and they have got some clip of me many years ago saying if it goes down im going to buy. Im a businessman. Thats when im supposed to do. Thats what im supposed to do. You see, if she did it, she would like to buy at the top. I want it if it goes down. I feel badly for everybody. What am i going to do . Im in business. She goes, donald trump is a terrible person. He wanted to buy housing when it was at a low point. Who the hell doesnt . Who doesnt . Just rolls off his back. Willie, steve . Our senior economics correspondent. You want to buy high . I wan to buy low. By wanting to buy low and rooting for it to go down so their houses will go in foreclosure is different. Any evidence he shorted the market or just reacted the bubble burst. Theres knopf evidence of anything. He was asked the question and he was im rooting for it to go down so i can buy some. We dont know what he did. We dont know if he bought some. Then Elizabeth Warren got bought act. Warren gave a blistering speech on the financial market. This is near and dear to her heart and platform. It was laden with insults and withering trumpstyle mockery. What kind of a man roots for people to get thrown out of their house . What kind of a man roots for people to get thrown out of their jobs, to root for people to lose their pinks. To root for two little girls in clark county, nevada, to end up living out of a van . What kind of a man does that . Ill tell you exactly what kind
of man does that. It is a man who care about no one but himself. A small, insecure money gruber who doesnt care who gets hurt so long as he makes a profit off of it. Donald trump is worried about helping poor little wall street. Let me find the worlds smallest violin to play a sad, sad song. Note to the Clinton Campaign, please give her what she wants. Shes better at this than most democratic senators. Headline may 22, 2015, because i heard this and we all heard this. So headline, Elizabeth Warren bought foreclosed homes to make
a profit. Before the crash she blamed on speculators, Elizabeth Warren made a bundle on houses. Did she say i really hope they foreclosed so i can buy them. Trump was making fairly decent business sense when he said that, it was just the inhumanity of rooting for peoples homes to be foreclosed on that was jarring. I dont think anyone said that but him. He wasnt in politics. The way he tried to walk it back the other night, it was what you said. When you go back to what he originally said in 05 or 06, that was really pretty ugly. The thing is they are just not going to turn donald trump into mitt romney. Thats what they are trying to do. I understand what they are trying to do it. They are in the going to do it. Hes a man without shame. Of course i said that. Of course i gave money to Hillary Clinton, republicans, he was in power. Of course i have appear elevator, an elevator, i need one. You have a problem with me making money . Youre a communist. Elizabeth warrens attack was searing. People who like Hillary Clinton. Youre Hillary Clinton. Im for Hillary Clinton but i think Hillary Clinton is going to be a great wing man for Hillary Clinton when we get into this campaign because she can stay this stuff Hillary Clinton cant, and i think it resonates. Just like ignatius it worked when marco rubio insulted donald trump. Totally different scenario. He didnt insult him over his housing investments, he insulted him over Something Else. It got personal. Mitt romney attacking donald trump, one is a guy who is a target, the entire organization became brittle when it happened, the other ran right to the attacks and started throwing the arrows back. I still think trump because he refused to release his targets is going to be a sitting targetable to chip away at. New revolution. Turned out he didnt pay taxes in the 70s. Well learn more about the structures of the companies that produced that result. More will come. You know donald trump will go, hey, im a great businessman. I use every law i can in my favor. I will be that shrewd for you when i get elected. Just as in this video clip he played, hell say i dont root for people to get ruined. Im a businessman. When the market go down, i buy. People take that away, a little head scratching. Well, i didnt pay any taxes, why should i another little head scratch. I think theres doing to be a continual the press is really out there looking at this stuff now, finally, i promise you. So were going to get many, many more of these. I cant imagine each of the dismissal will you know what Trump Supporters do best, ah, that motion you do, dismissals. Learn that from donald. Here is the answer Corey Lewandowski gave to the tax question. Hes going to pay the smallest amount possible which the American People understand. Every deduction possible, he fights for every dollar. Thats the mindset you want to bring to the government. His answer to any business question, of course i took the opportunity to do everything i had for my business and ill do the same for the country. If he can brush it off with this explanation, why doesnt he release them . From now to november, why doesnt he release them and say exactly what you think hell say because i think he pays no taxes. You need to stop making fun of me about Elizabeth Warren. Im not making fun. Shes not wasnt making fun of you. Let me just tell you. I would never do that. What we saw there in those two sound bites defending against or framing attacking. Donald trumps comments that were in the ad was Elizabeth Warren speaking from the heart, speaking with passion, speaking with something she feels deeply in her soul. Hillary clinton speaking correctly with a lot of help from her campaign and words she has come up with but they are not you can see the difference. They need her. I hope they give her whatever
she wants. In fairness to Hillary Clinton, Hillary Clinton has to do it one way as the presumptive nominee and Elizabeth Warren can do what she does. You and i can now agree Elizabeth Warren will play an important role. They have got her. Shes out making speeches, on twitter. Whether they have got her or not, shes out making speeches. I have too much respect for you to ever do that. Im curious, willie, do you think Elizabeth Warren is an effective is going to draw blood from donald trump. Yes, i do. I dont think shell i dont think its like a cult. You dont get it. Compare it to marco rubio. Here we go, now shes going to go you guys. Shes going to attack everybody. I think she is effective. I dont think they will make her a running mate. What shes doing now, poke at him we reported the other week
where Clinton Campaign was very much on notice for effectiveness and consideration for vp had risen. The problem is shes from a state run by republican governor. Lets not get carried away. Just giving you that. To your point, people in clintons orbit are very aware of how good she is and they want to utilize her. So its 41, i think. We all think shes good at this. She would be good at attacking other people. I dont think shell draw blood from donald trump. Thats not the way to draw blood. Its on because i totally disagree. She got a rise out of him, got him to send a bunch of hate tweets. Thats really hurt him in the past, hasnt it . Pretty much everybody at this table has that. Weve all gotten those. It will be different when he attacks back in this case because shes actually putting herself out there as opposed to
some of the republican candidates that tiptoed out there and said something bad and then got squashed. They really didnt mean it, didnt know what they were doing and they were bad at it. Still on morning joe, whats the u. S. Strategy against isis. David ignatius went to syria to find out. Well get firsthand reporting from the war sobe. Willie and i were thinking about going to syria to do that, too. You know what, we get all of our information from generals on tv and its a lot easier. We just eat popcorn. So much more to report on tom brokaw, Hallie Jackson, Jeremy Peters on republican push to completely overhaul the primary process. Plus its true, the democrats president ial primary in washington doesnt count. You know your awful friend who says he doesnt vote because he doesnt feel like his vote counts. If hes a washington democrat, voting in the primary, hes right. Hes still awful but he is
right. Hillary clinton wins the Washington State primary but Bernie Sanders win the caucus . Well unpack the race Hillary Clinton is still running, but first, bill karins, a dangerous day out west. We literally flipped the switch. Youll feel it this afternoon. Acs up in maine for the first time of the season. Lets take you to dodge city, kansas, Storm Chasers all over these tornadoes. We had a lot of big ones and a lot on the strong side. Thankfully rural areas, minor damage, no reports of serious injuries. Look at that one right there. You can see Storm Chasers on the road. Dangerously close. Impressive stuff. Not for the feint of heart. Take you this morning, oklahoma overnight storms continued to ride your way. Flash flooding through ft. Smith, now tulsa up to the north. Interstate 44 this morning not a fun drive. 17 million risk of severe
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if im running for office, what democracy means to me, ive got to convince each and every one of to you vote for for me. If you dont vote for me, i can live with that. Thats what democracy is all about. What i wont accept if somebody runs against me and buys the
election by putting billions of dollars into a campaign. Do you think that, mika . I dont know. What do you think . I think that was Bernie Sanders. I think he won. You just said, sam wants to know i dont want to know. Stop it now. Just stop. Explain to us what happened Washington State. What happened was Washington State had a contest, a caucus and bernie won, won big. So he won washington. Then they decided to vote again and hillary won. Im confused, who won washington. Bernie did. No actually hillary did. That was last night but they had one before. Why did they have it before. Bernie won the first one. Thats a good system. How do they do that . Oh, my gosh. Im serious, what happened . Who does this. You hear republicans go, you know what, were going to try to change our system to make it better. Thats what they did 40 years ago and they got donald trump. Every time they try to rig a system to get a result they want, this time it was jeb bush, it always blows up in their face and they got donald trump. More people voted in the primary, even though their vote didnt count at all. A lot of people voted in the primary. A lot of people confused. A lot of people smoke pot. That makes them stupid. I didnt say there was anything wrong with that other than it makes you stupid. It makes people offended when i say that, because they are stupid. Lets go to charts. Charts. Steve ratners charts. Whats the betting line look like when it comes to vice
president s. This so well. General election. When marco rubio was the favorite for six months. That was a long time ago. You want to go back and revisit that, ill bring you a chart. You dont want to revisit that. Everybody is wrong. Lets start with the republican side because the market that a stronger view. It has Newt Gingrich. Mika, no surprise to you. Youve been saying this since reagans funeral, Nancy Reagans funeral. Beginning rich would be the oldest Vice President in history at age 73, older than biden. Anybody know who so far the oldest Vice President in history was . Meacham, right . It wasnt cheney . No. Alvin barkley. My secondguess. My secondguess. All right. Any event beginning rich on top. A senator from iowa who has been mention add lot below and a whole bunch of alsos. We can get rid of martinez after trump insulted her. Shes off the list. The thing to remember at 30 thats a one in three chance. You have a pronlt it will be somebody else. Personally i find it hard to speculate about. What about the dems. Its more confusing because the market has a different view. Theres really four people clustered in this top tier. Again, relatively small percentages. You have castro, secretary of hud. Tim kaine, a senator from virginia, head of dnc. Smart pick, tim kaine. A good guy, lots of gravitas. Elizabeth warren. Not going to happen. Bernie sanders. Not going to happen. Should but wont. Why should . I think the party is so split that was only way to bring it together in a meaningful way is to bring it together with bernie as vp. If you look at data points, the party was more split in 2008 than today. Data points were polls showing 65 of democrats saying they were going to support Hillary Clinton. It was 60 in 2008. Three more names on the list . Yeah, theres tom perez, brown which would help bring in the liberal wing and cookie booker cory booker. His twin cousin cook one last chart interesting on the general election. Amidst all these polls that have tightened and so forth, the betting markets had a clear view about this going all the way back. Joe, if they are wrong, you can dismiss them forever but they have been consistent and they have been strong on the side of a democrat now obviously Hillary Clinton winning. Even after all the issues of the
last couple weeks in terms of tightened polls and so on, 65 still predict 65 prediction till that the democrat, ie, Hillary Clinton, will be elected. You can see as you look through the timing of all this how the republicans have fared. As donald trump became more likely and as an establishment candidate became less likely, the republicans chances declined until this most recent time when the polls have tightened so much. Underselling trump a little bit. The elections tend to be much closer than obviously 6535. This is not predicting who is going to win. Im saying there are institutional issues, demographic issues obviously. The Republican Party is coalescing around donald trump much faster than anyone predicted. What odds to bet on trump. If i had to bet on trump. 46, 47, Something Like that. Almost even money. Almost even money. Thats not really almost even money. 46 is probably its close to even money. Is it fair to say these numbers are wrong during the last year. I remember early trump numbers were nonexistent, projection models, not betting, well regarded betting markets are not perfect. They have predicted ultimate outcome very well. Early on they did not take trump seriously. They were dead wrong on the republican side. But in fairness, they flipped around to trump back at the time of the nevada primary and were pretty consistently trump after that. If you dont believe me ill bring that chart next week. Pretty nice point to flip. You won New Hampshire and south carolina. Oh, i got it. At that point you may as well be silver saying donald trump will never win and then try to explain why you werent as wrong as you were. No, everybody got it wrong. Upshot was horrible. Had marco up there. No reason why everybody should have said marco was going to win. You say you think its like 5545. What do you think . I think its 6535. Im a market guy. What do you think willie now. I think shes got an edge, 6040. I definitely think shes got an edge but i dont think you dont think 6040. 6535. Somebody asked me yesterday. I said given the way he has been reacting to things over the last week, 6545. 6535. If it had been the week after wisconsin when he started disciplining himself i would say close, even money. Hes actually becoming more reckless, more combative, looking more like hes a primary candidate as he needs to make the shift the window closes
soon. I dont care what polls say. People are looking at polls. You have disaffected democrats that are going to come home. I said it when nobody else said nobody will get behind trump, go back and look at tapes, this is what parties do, they say well never get behind him and they coalesce. It will happen on the democratic side, too. When it happens on the democratic side theres going to be a distancing between these two. Unless donald trump starts acting like a real general election candidate and not answering every twitter response, hes going to lose. Theres a question whether hes even capable of it. Trump is being trump. Hes being himself. He said it worked so far, why should i change. Theres two questions. Im serious. Theres a question of can he discipline himself. Right now hes answered that. No, he cant. Hes incapable of disciplining himself to be president of the
United States. Number two, does he want to win. That is the biger question rising in my head every day. At this point its about 50 50 that he actually wants to win. I think maybe he just wants to make a point. The way hes been operating the past week or so has been shameful. Hes disgraced himself, hes embarrassed himself. I dont even know if he wants to win. Well see. Coming up how to win friends and influence people. I put it at 6535. Donald trump style. He goes after republican governor of new mexico on her own home turf. Great example. Thats a great thing to do, donned, trying to win votes in the swing state. Top figures in Democratic Party even some clinton supporters acknowledge there may have to be a changing of the guard for the National Party if they want to keep the peace with Bernie Sanders and his supporters. New reporting on that in just a moment. Todays the day oh look creepy gloves for my feet. When i was a kid there was a handle. And a face. This is nice. Does it come in a california king . Getting roid rage. Hemorrhoid. These are the worst, right . Im gonna buy them. Boom. Ill take them. Impulse buy. Ommmmmmmmmmm. Presenting the American Express blue cash everyday card with cash back on purchases. Its all happening. And no annual fee. Here we go cash back on purchases. Backed by the service and security of American Express. 35 past the hour. At his rally in new mexico last night donald trump took on a prominent member of his own party. Thats a smart thing to do. Republican governor susana martinez. You know what, though. This is not a democratic he needs. He does not need Hispanic Women so that explains why you would attack a hispanic woman who is a governor of a swing state. This is a guy acting like he wants to win. Shes currently the chair of
the republican governors association. Shes not a powerful republican governor. And nations first female hispanic governor. Not a trail blazer. She held off endorsing trump and didnt attend the rally. She said she was really busy. Trump let the crowd know what he thinks of the governor last night. Since 2000 the number of people on food stamps in new mexico has tripled. We have to get your governor to get going. Shes got to do a better job. Okay . Your governor has got to do a better job. Shes not doing the job. Hey, maybe ill run for governor of new mexico. Shes not doing the job. Here is something youll love. Syrian refugees are relocated in large numbers to new mexico. If i was governor that wouldnt
be happening. Yeah, you will do well in mexico. A spokesman for martinez spoke last night. The governor will not be bullied into supporting a candidate until shes convinced they will fight for new mexicoans. Governor martinez doesnt care what donald trump says about her, she cares what he says hell do to help new mexicoans. She didnt hear anything about that today. David ignatius, does donald trump wan to win the presidency . I ask this in all seriousness. He loves being in front of tv screen every night. Hes not acting like somebody who deeply want to win the presidency. Theres still a mad max quality to the way he operates himself. Im like you, if you wanted to win it, you wouldnt have done what he just did. Attacking, mika, a hispanic woman who is a governor in a
swing state that republicans havent won in a while that need to win. Shes also the head of the republican governors association. Again, these may be things you do in intramural batteries in republican primaries. As we have said for the past month or so, hes got to make the turn. Autoes got to start actsing like general election candidate. Hes just not doing anything. Her acting on principle and responding in kind, tough. Then to see people flocking behind him with no reason for it, like Ari Fleischer or woody johnson, money guy for i dont understand where these people are getting you have people say hes bad for america. You look at the quotes from the primaries and say hes bad for america, dangerous, would ruin america. Ari fleischer, what happened. Then they do, we endorse donald. He might bring to american manufacturers. The Supreme Court seat, so important. Really, youre wearing these equally . I will say this to the discipline question, its true. He cant discipline himself. I thought the post interview where vince foster came up was perfectly indicative of this. He didnt bring it up, asked him about it, more disciplined politician side step it, not get into it, go down the road, he couldnt help himself, he had to jump on the law of conspiracy. I think from reading that article, a little confusing. Some people on twitter said he actually did bring it up. He may have property it up a week prior and the post was saying, okay they didnt just pull it up from 93. They said a comment from a week before. Two different points two different points he brought up. Thats a thing, we had haley
barbour on, a great example, got Great Respect for haley but haley was spinning for donald trump yesterday, a guy he loathed not too long ago. He said, well, they asked the question. If you ask Haley Barbour that question, hed go, thats ancient history and the feds looked into that. Im worried about getting people back to work. Its not hard. All these people coming around, no ringing endorsement with donald trump, they go to Hillary Clinton. He said we cant afford to have Hillary Clinton picking Supreme Court justices. Its not for donald trump but owe. Its about Supreme Court justices. People like woody johnson, not Supreme Court people, more broadly we dont want Hillary Clinton and donald trump is what weve got. Thats it. Its not that they love trump. I dont know anybody in my world that loves trump. You dont have to do an endorsement. The thing is they want if he wins, they want to have influence in the administration for whatever purpose they may have in mind. Power and influence. Thats it. Not about whats right. New report from the hill, mika. Says democrats are discussing whether Debbie Wasserman schultz should step down. What do you think about that, mika. As dnc chairwoman. Mika has been clear on that. Has she already talked about that. Should do it before the Party Convention in july. When pro Hillary Clinton democratic senator tells the hill, quote, there have been lots of meetings over the last 48 hours over what color plate. Debbie Wasserman Schultz. We have the author of the piece. David, its simple. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has to go for the sake of party unity. Well, given the ability of
the other party to survive turmoil, i hate to jump on debbie what is shuts, she has made a lot of enemies, a role to bring people together to make enemies is crucial. She may have gone past that Tipping Point in terms of that and in terms of issues that people say surround her. She florida is really important in this general election and she, i think, can be helpful to them in florida. They ought to weigh that when they make the decision. The author of the piece Senior Reporter for the hill. Tell us about these meetings. Are they serious, considering asking her to step down . And what in your reporting or information do you have about whether or not shes really been able to be sort of objective and father in this process . Because my contention all along has been shes been in the tank for hillary from the get go and
its been quite obvious. Yeah, shes been in the tank for hillary. I think whats surprising about what i found out reporting last week and this week, this talk that she needs to step down isnt coming from sanders supporters, its coming from state your name pro hillary supporters. They see her as a drag on hillary because the problem that hillary has, in their view, theres an enthusiasm gap. People, democrats, especially young voters who are an important constituency arent very enthusiastic about clinton. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has become the face of the rigged system as Bernie Sanders sees it. They think its going to be tough for young voters to embrace hillary while Debbie Wasserman schultz is the face of the party. The other thing, a messy party, worried about 1968 convention. Though fears hit home after state convention in nevada where you had these violent outbursts, angry demonstrations and Debbie Wasserman schultz poured fuel on the fire criticizing Bernie Sanders hamply. I spoke to jeff merkley, the only senator who supports sanders, he says it was unbelievable. It was tone deaf. So i think shell really what these pro clinton democrats are worried about, not so much whether bernie will endorse hillary, that will happen but worried about getting supporters to embrace her enthusiastically. Debbie Wasserman Schultz has been on this show and defensive of the debate schedule, for example, defending the superdelegate system, defending the closed primaries. Do you believe in all your reporting that the dnc has been fair to Bernie Sanders in this process . I dont think so. From having follow the campaign. The scheduling of televised debates during times that arent likely to draw big audiences, freezing his access to key voter database before the iowa and New Hampshire caucus and primary, characterizing it as a theft of
data when really that isnt what happened. Those are things that set the tone early. Then joint fundraising between dnc and Clinton Campaign, thats something sanders saw as unfair and supporters. There are a number of data points sanders can point to quite convincingly. Thats what weaver said, Campaign Manager on msnbc. For personal reasons shes against Sanders Campaign and thats why shes become such a divisive figure in the party. Thats a problem when youre trying to unify people ahead of philadelphia. Thank you so much. We greatly appreciate you coming. Thanks for having me. When we come back David Ignatius back to the middle east. His new reporting in just a moment. Real is making new friends. Amazing is getting this close. Real is an animal rescue. Amazing is over twentyseven thousand of them. There is only one place where real and amazing live. Seaworld. Real. Amazing i drive to the hoop. I drive a racecar. I have a driver. His name is carl. But thats not what we all have in common. We talked to our doctors about treatment with xarelto®. Xarelto® is proven to treat and help reduce the risk of dvt and pe blood clots. Xarelto® is also proven to reduce the risk of stroke in people with afib, not caused by a heart valve problem. For people with afib currently well managed on warfarin, there is limited information on how xarelto® and warfarin compare in reducing the risk of stroke. You know, taking warfarin, i had to deal with that blood testing routine. I couldnt have a healthy salad whenever i wanted. I found another way. Yeah, treatment with xarelto®. Hey, safety first. Like all blood thinners, dont stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase your risk of a blood clot or stroke. While taking, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer for bleeding to stop. Xarelto® may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. Xarelto® can cause serious and in rare cases,
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syria. What can you say about what you say. We wonder about this Islamic State is going. I had a unique experience traveling with sent com commander, responsibility. The first time centcom commander took media with him spot war zone in six years by my count. An interesting opportunity. The most interesting part was going into syria itself. We did this under great secrecy. We were not allowed to disclose we were there until we were out and in ahman, jordyn. We were able to see First Military trainers and advisers on the ground living rough, living in these places with local tribesmen, male and female. Ive had a chance to say now that ive had a chance to eyeball this, america should understand we have some extraordinary young people in this fight who are living in
remote dangerous places doing really remarkable things. That was one big takeaway. Second big takeaway just how overwhelming our military power is now that weve finally begun to engage it. For months weve been talking on the who about the slow pace of the isis campaign, its now beginning to accelerate and see it in place. You see that in place your reporting suggests but also suggests sunni sheiks that decided to side with us after in charge of Anbar Province are now deciding to side with the United States again but you say possibly for cynical reason. I think it is. Its pragmatic. Sunni shaikhs, tribal politics is about the survival of your tribe. When isis blew into sunni areas of iraq and syria, tribal leaders in many cases made accommodations to keep people alive, sources of revenue alive. Thats how it works. Tribal leaders, i spoke to three in northern syria. I spoke to pane people working with tribes in iraq, the tribal leaders do see this opportunistic moment where they think isis is beginning to lose and there is a bandwagon effect. Up and down euphrates river, which was isis territory stone cold youre beginning to see tribes hedge their bets by coming over. Many of these tribes are split, half in isis, half out. So theres an interesting trend there. Specifically in the Training Camp i visited, i talked top three tribal shaikhs who said we have three members of our tribe in raqqah, islamic capital, they are sending us messages every day by cell phone text saying come get us. We want out. We were also told theres evidence that the Islamic State fighters themselves are sending their families out because they know the attacks are coming. When does the Islamic State collapse in that area . Thats a while off. Its a mistake, theres an arabic expression, slowly, slowly. Thats what i was saying. [ speaking Foreign Language ] i could hear you saying it. Its not imminent. But what you see is the gradual strangulation of these areas. The forces around them are getting tighter. Its tighter to resupply, harder to get fighters. The overall commander said our strategy is to push them in so many different places at once that they cant respond simultaneously to all those attacks. It will stress their resources. So final point, military side, i saw in this going pretty well. Political side were still building on political quicksand out there. The bake structures we need are not there. I dont want to leave viewers with the impression, gosh, this is all great. Political side has to get fixed for people to have confidence. David ignatius well be reading your reporting at washingtonpost. Com. Stay with us, david. Stay with us on morning joe when we return. Question, and be honest. Are my teeth yellow . Have you tried the tissue test . The what . Tissue test hold this up to your teeth. Ugh yellow. I dont get it. I use whitening toothpaste. What do you use . Crest whitestrips you should try them whitening toothpaste only works on the surface. But crest whitestrips safely work below the enamel surface. To whiten 25x better than a leading whitening toothpaste you used the whitestrips i passed the tissue test. Oh yeah. Would you pass the tissue test . See for yourself with the whitestrips. They are the way to whiten. Shoshow me more like this. E. Show me previously watched. Whats recommended for me. X1 makes it easy to find what you love. Call or go online and switch to x1. Only with xfinity. Coming up in 2012 too many debates. Now republicans are tinkering with revamped primary process and New Hampshire isnt going to like what they are proposing. New york times Jeremy Peters
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warren, shes going out, probably the senator doing about the least in the United States senate. Shes a total failure. She said she was an indian. She said because her cheek bones are high that she was an indian, that she was native american. We have these surrogates, people like her, total failures. Did she put that on the cheekbone thing . I heard. Did you write that in on harvard spaces. Cheek bones high, cheek bones low. Stop it, both of you. Were making fun, she didnt say her cheek bones were high. She did, later. Did she really . She said it was family lore she had 1 32 cherokee and talked about the high cheek bones. It was not like did she really say . No, no, no. This is a parity. In contexts its not the worst. During her campaign. Folklore. Im not going to tell you folklore about my family. Think about that. Wednesday may 25th. Welcome back to morning joe. Great to have you guys with us. Senior Political Editor and White House Correspondent for the Washington Post sam stein with us. Hi, sam. Now an msnbc political contributor rick tyler. In washington columnist and associate editor for Washington Post David Ignatius and New York Times Jeremy Peters with new reporting this morning. Good to have you all on board this morning. Add washington to the States Donald trump has won. Hes now in sight of clinching the nomination literally. Forty are we . That was overshadowed by a violent night in albuquerque. Antitrump protesters clashed with Police Outside gops rally last night in new mexico. Someone in the crowd waved
mexican flags while others set fires and chanted obscenities marching through the streets. Things escalated when protesters threw rocks at officers who used smoke canisters and what and to be pepper spray to disperse the crowds. The albuquerque Police Department said several officers treated for injuries hit by rocks and at least one person was arrested. Trump had reportedly left the area by the time clashes escalated on the way to los angeles where he will hold a major fundraiser. Inside the Albuquerque Convention center protester sporadically interrupted trumps event where 8,000 turned out to hear him speak. Rick tyler, at the end of the day, these protests, they just seemed to help trump. Going out and having violent protests, all youre doing is playing into his hands. I think so. If you have if trumps central message is about trade an immigration and people in the United States waving mexican
flags, i understand why they do that, but sort of reinforces everything trump is saying about were being overrun, our jobs taken away. Rigged. Donald trump and surrogates beginning an all out barrage or bill clintons history with women. They have gone after it hard. Really tough. Donald trump like the last couple of days brought up rape with sean hannity 20 years of a the fact. Vince foster. Vin foster which was just despicable bringing up vince foster. Hes always been that way. Some calling trump out for past scandals dismissing the president. In a 1998 interview with Chris Matthews trump said clinton should have taken the fifth on questions about his personal life and even attacked clinton accuser paula jones. Paula jones is a loser but the fact is she may be responsible for bringing down a president indirectly. Im not sure they shouldnt have
taken fifth amendment, i dont get along with this man star, hes a republican, this, that, and taken the fifth amendment. Its a terrible thing for the president to take the fifth amendment but he probably should have done it. Paula jones is a loser, a woman sexually harassed, a loser . In 2012 trump called linda tripp the woman who reported monica lewinsky, evil. That was in 2000. Certainly as we got closer in 2008 called clinton scandal something totally unimportant adding, and they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. Just 11 months ago in his first interview on our program as a president ial candidate trump took another shot at Clinton Accusers looks while calling him the best president of the last 25 years. Who is the best . Bush 41, clinton, bush 43 or obama, an why . I would really say clinton
probably. Had he not met monica, had he not met paula, had he not met various and sundry semibeautiful women, he would have had a much better deal going. He was destroyed by that. He was really hurt very badly by it. But hes teflon. Hes not consistent. Willie, i didnt enremember back in june of last year he called the man whose reputation he is trying to destroy now the greatest president of the last quarter century. Chose him over george h. W. Bush. Over obama. This whole everything mika laid out gets to the criticism of donald trump, which is hes saying things in the last 12 months to get himself elected to become nominee and now president that are completely inconsistent
with what he said in the past not just bill clinton but trade, abortion, everything else. We were talking about libya and he said hillary made a horrible, horrible decision to go into libya and somebody emailed me a long video clip like five minutes later where he was i guess in 2011 when it launched. Saying weve got to go in there, go after gaddafi, finish him off. The man is a walking set of contradictions. I cant shake the idea the way he speaks off the cuff when pieces dont fit together. Its part of why people like him. A year ago would have said on the show goes to republicans and says he likes bill clinton best, that kind of comment because why people began to say, here is somebody different. He doesnt say preprogrammed answers. The question in the general election, all this video saying everything under the sun, how
does he keep that fresh, spontaneous, new person insurgent quality to his campaign . Im not sure he can. Rick . Hes right. He doesnt seem to be conflicted at all about what hes saying. Im not sure its going to hurt him. Look, hes running against a politician. He vanquished 14 politicians. People dont believe politicians anymore. They want an outsider. Hes the ultimate outsider. They like him and believe it. That question on the show, who would have answered that question. Here are four president s, who is the best. Nobody would answer that question. We were shocked when he said bill clinton. Thats right when he was starting his republican run. Reinforces hes not a politician. You ask him a question, hes going to answer it. Politicians dont do that. I think this is framing actually not necessarily an attack on bill clinton. I think hes probably going to
receive Collateral Damage as a result but ultimately framing his opponent. It is. Im not going to articulate it but im sure he will. How do you, if youre donald trump, attack Hillary Clinton for being an enabler when at the same time this is going on, youre calling paula jones a woman who said she was sexually harassed and bill clinton paid in a lawsuit, if im not mistaken. Youve got donald trump calling her a loser on National Television at the same time. How does trump connect those dots . How does he connect those dots and say bill clinton is the worst person ever when just 11 months ago he was saying bill clinton was the best president in 25 years. He does it by speaking loudly and confidently. It seems like thats his modus operandi here, ignore everything
i said in the past and the plat orman for the future. When you talk to people who work on his campaigns, its not a winning strategy. People have tried to blame hillary for her husbands indiscretions before. Usually what it does is ingenders people to Hillary Clinton. They feel sympathetic. They dont think its her fault over what bill d i dont necessarily think this is some grand strategic genius stroke from trump here. I think hes trying to wing it. Im not sure its going to work because it plays into her hands in some respects. We talked yesterday, plays well in republican primary a group of people predisposed to dislike clintons and what they went through in the anyone 90s. The cloud of smoke is do you really want to go back to the drama of clinton years, go back to the scandals and every day something happens. Thats what hes trying to get at. Reminding people on chaos and scandals, also relying they dont remember details. Who are these people . What did they do . That again. Also millennial voters that werent there following the news every second. Yeah, i think ill leave it there. What do you think . I think its going to get worse than this. Yu, thats uplifting. Jeremy peters you have a front page piece this morning talking about why republicans are considering changes to the primary structure next election cycle. After all the chaos this year, what are you reporting on and what states specifically could be impacted . I think what you have going on right now is this discussion inside both Political Parties. Really, they are trying to answer the most fundamental question a Political Party can ask itself, thats who do we want to participate in president ial primary process. On the republican side because of the success of donald trump, a man a lot of conservatives deeply, deeply mistrust, there is a call to close off the primaries, to make more of them closed, so you dont have the
opportunities trump had to pull in independent voters who are not registered republicans. On the other side, you have people who want to open up the process a little bit more and say that, look, all of this new voting going on is a good thing. It broadens the reach of the party. Beyond that, you have a discussion about early states, New Hampshire, nevada, seems like all the troubles in vote counting and long lines in nevada theres a consensus in the Republican Party that maybe nevada shouldnt be in the top four anymore. So ive heard its likely to get the boot. It will be replaced by another Western State first on the calendar. So i think this is all something thats going to come to a head and start getting debated. Were talking about more close primaries. A lot of republicans, especially supporters of ted cruz want to see. Rick could probably speak to this. I think theres a deeply held
conviction among republicans that true loyal republicans should determine the nominee not independents who dont have loyalty to the parties. I think thats one of the stupidest things ive heard in my life. After 2012 they did all these things to prevent Something Like this from happening and, of course, it happened. Fighting the last battle. It didnt work. They were basically trying to get this system set up so it didnt drag on so long. They thought they were going to have jeb bush. Instead their rules got them donald trump. History has other plans. Every election cycle we go through this, right . They try to fix something from the last cycle and create new problems and you have the factor of donald trump coming in. It sort of magnifies all the things they went the other direction. Its ironic. They compressed the cycle but this the longest cycle ever. Its gone on forever. And, look, there are a lot of
people that remember donald trump won washington last night but ted cruz will send more delegates to cleveland than out of washington of thats been consistent in a lot of states. They are going to want to protect his ability to run in 2020 if he chooses to do so. And i think there is a lot to be said. You may disagree wit. But people are free to join the Republican Party and shape it the way they want. Its not as if when you say a closed primary doesnt mean you cant participate, just means have you to enroll and register as a republican, because the party should be based on beliefs, ideology. Candidates that can actually draw independents to the party, so you not only win a primary, youve got a guy that can win a general election. I dont think the middle is there anymore store number 44 they have in common. We dont shop at the same restaurants go, to the same movies, the same people, watch the same television shows, morning shows, read the same
newspapers. The middle used to be like this and now its like this, left and right. Except, of course, for morning joe. Terry mcauliffe spent yesterday taking on reports that hes being investigated by fbi. He said his initial reaction was shock but insisted everything has been strictly aboveboard and the donner in question fully vetted. Can you guarantee fbi will find no wrongdoing on your part . Absolutely. No wrongdoing allegations. If you read the story yesterday they have some questions about a donner. My legal team fully vetted this individual. Hes been a green card holder since 2007 so were very comfortable. This has nothing to do with the clinton foundation. This was an allegation of a gentleman who gave a check to my campaign. I didnt bring the donner in, i didnt bring him bought clinton foundation. Im not sure if ive ever met the person. The New York Times said the donner in question, a chinese politician and Terry Mcauliffe met in 2012 at a dinner before
west coast all i have ran for governor. Maybe he did meet them. Basically comes down to whether this guy, this chinese politician was a legal u. S. Citizen or had legality. If it turns out hes a Foreign National and its illegal then mcauliffe is in trouble. Quick answer. Seems pretty quick. I dont know. Maybe they are going to investigate how he got the green card, maybe its a forgery, i dont know whats going on. This doesnt seem that complex to me. All right. Jeremy peters and rick tyler, thank you both. Still ahead on morning joe, chuck todd and tom brokaw join the table. Tom back from france where he received that countrys highest honor. Talk about toms nonstop work on behalf of veterans and the greatest generation. Plus when the v. A. Secretary compared the lines at his agency
to lines at an amusement park, we were dumbfounded. This is not disney land or wonderland for that matter. Veterans have died waiting in line for their care. Does he need to resign . I dont know if he should resign. He should clarify comments and show empathy for veterans hes supposed to serve. Members of congress are not happy with the Veterans Affairs secretarys comments comparing lines at clinics to lines at disney land. So he apologized, right . I dont know if it was an apology. Thats next on morning joe. Are those made with allbeef, karen . Yeah, theyre hebrew national. But unlike yours, theyre also kosher. Only certain cuts of kosher beef meet their strict standards. Theyre all ruined. Help yourself oh no, we couldn. Okay thanks, hebrew national. A hot dog you can trust. With usaa is awesome. Homeowners insurance Life Insurance automobile insurance i spent 20 years active duty they still refer to me as Gunnery Sergeant when i call being a usaa member because of my service in the military to pass that on to my kids something that makes me happy my name is roger zapata and im a usaa member for life. Usaa. We know what it means to serve. Get an insurance quote and see why 92 of our members
plan to stay for life. Shoshow me more like this. E. Show me previously watched. Whats recommended for me. X1 makes it easy to find what you love. Call or go online and switch to x1. Only with xfinity. Clarify comments, comparing clinic wait times to lines at disney theme parks. Here are original comments followed by remarks nbc Andrea Mitchell yesterday. Should be measuring is veterans satisfaction. I mean, what really counts is how does the veteran feel about their encounter with the v. A. When you go to disney, do they
measure the number of hours you wait in line . Whats important . Whats your important is whats your satisfaction with the experience. What i would like to move to eventually is that kind of measure. Are you sorry you said what you said . Im here to improve veterans experience, here to get more veterans in for care, reduce disability backlog. Wait times are important but they are not the only measure of veteran experience. Thats what veterans are telling us. Weve talked to a lot of veterans. Its important. If i was misunderstood, i said the wrong thing, im glad i have downtown correct it. All right. Joining us now nbc news special correspondent and as of last friday one of the latest recipients of frances highest of honor, the legion of honor bestowed for all the tireless
work tom has done on fwaf of world war ii vet rabs. Congratulations. Thank you very much. I just want to start humming the national anthem. Chuck todd. The other recipient was tom hanks and nick mueller from world war ii museum. Who gets top billing . Tom does. Before we talk about toms extraordinary honor, lets talk about the v. A. Secretary there. What he said was clumsy but it didnt strike as fireball offense. We know how washington works. You get fired for a gaffe if somebody is looking to fire you. They are not going to fire this guy. People trying to drum this up into a phony controversy are looking desperately to find an issue or something. Wrap themselves veterans groups arent calling for him if we chase this guy out over misspeak, this is a guy who came from the private sector, everything we say we want. An untrained politician. It showed. If we drum this guy out, good luck getting anybody from the private sector. You said you wanted to talk about Donald Trumps comments about bob gates, seeing it from france was frightening and unsettling. What struck me about it, i dont think theres been a more highly regarded Public Servant in the last 15 or 20 years than bob gates. Hes a guy with a lot of experience across party lines. People like him a lot. He tells it as he sees it. I would think that if donald trump were looking to try to get help from the Republican Party establishment from the people who served on the hill, going after gates is not the wisest
possible thing. What gates had to say was absolutely correct. If youre president of the United States you dont jump the gun on downing of an airliner and say it was obviously a terrorist attack and trump turns around and says, look, 15 years weve been having troubles in the country, guys like gates were in power. He seems never to pay any penalty for that. Thats whats interesting to me. David ignatius, the comment from donald was jarring to mika and me. I think most of washington would consider bob gates to be we always complain theres no longer any giants roaming the earth in washington, d. C. , any wise men or wise women. Bob gates is one of those. Thats indisputable. If you dont like what bush and obama has done, just imagine how much worse it would have been without bob gates at their side. The bob gates affair, if you will reminds me of the damage that trump is really seeking to do. Bob gates is a symbol of the small remaining central ground on which we build Foreign Policy. Bob gates worked for george w. Bush. He was kept on by obama in a very sensible move to have some continuity at the Defense Department in a time of wars. In attacking him, trump is really attacking i think the foundations of how American Foreign policy works. Not particular policies but just the idea that youd have continuity and a person like gates who served what is it 40, 45 years in various agencies. Its an attack on that idea as much as the man. Mika, he served with your father, when your father ran National Security and was an extraordinary servant even then at a young age. We were recently at an event at the center for strategic and International Studies and bob gates received the first award there under my fathers name, my dad, gates, great minds in Foreign Policy. Senator warner. You looked across the room, where are we going to get this is it right here. Gates represents, i think, a time gone by. Were roughly the same generation and washington was destination if you were a Political Science major as i was and my friends were, you wanted to go to washington and get a good job at the Defense Department or one of the National Security agencies and serve there. Thats been by and large i interviewed him recently and he said vast majority of our federal employees are 60 and older. Were in the getting the young people coming prison ill tell you stats worse than you think, 7 of the federal workforce is under 75. Seven. Can you imagine any company with that little millennials involved. They dont like it in the world. Bob gates gets that and recognizes it. Youre not going into washington and with a sweep of your hand and change it. This conversation the last five minutes ago sounds like were the elites. It smacks i get everything were saying. Anybody who spent time here we all know the average trump supporter is out there thinking these great Foreign Policy minds, where have they gotten us . My kid has been on six deployments. What brilliance has come about their managing of the middle east. So you want to know why trump is not paying the price . Thats why hes not paying the price. Then you dig into what bob gates has done, he has been the one when he first sat down with george w. Bush and bush wanted him to be a secretary of
defense. One of the things he said was, you know what, weve done bait and switch on national guard. We owe them better. We owe them more. When he left, he broke down and cried over the very issues that you are talking about. He was a fierce defender of the men and women in uniform, constantly telling politicians day in and day out they deserve better than they are getting. Without bob gates there, again, if you didnt like george w. Bushs Foreign Policy, i promise you it would have been much worse. If you didnt like Barack Obamas Foreign Policy, i promise you it would have been much worse because he was a leveling wind. He has been a leveling wind. Hes worked for democrats, hes worked for republicans, hes worked for democrats. You have to know about him. By the way, donald trump knows nothing about that. He knows nothing about his history. He just shoots off at his mouth
about bob gates. If he did, if he read books, he wouldnt have said what he said about robert gates. But on the other hand, chuck is quite right. His followers so devoted to him, whether fact really wrong, perception, they are with him. Gates told me a remarkable story about relationship with Obama Administration. He went over to afghanistan in the bunker with special forces and saw a telephone and said whats that . The white house put that in, a direct line to the white house. He said white house not your boss, i am. Take it out. Im going to stand here right now and watch you take it out. Then went back and lit things up in the nsc circles in washington of thats the kind of strength he had. He knew what the rules were for reporting up and down the line. This is one of the things Neither Campaign has talked about, i dont think trump thought about it. The biggest problem with Foreign Policy, david would agree, you have both bush and obama they
think they can run the world from nsc and they dont need the pentagon. They dont need state. They cut them out. You know why clinton and gates were close . Because they bonded over getting cut out of the loop too many times by nsc. We saw it in the bush administration. That at some point frustrated folks over at pentagon and state, too, the same thing. Are we going to have another trumps presidency looks like he wants to run it out of the oval. David ignatius, i talked to so many people that run Foreign Policy, high up in the Obama Administration, weve all talked to them, the extraordinary frustration of just how closely held Foreign Policy is now, there arent checks and balances, there are one, two, three people in the white house that determine Foreign Policy. Nsc meetings used to happen where you would sit down and the president would say, what have you got . Now nsc meetings began with the
statement this is what the president wants to do. Lets do it. I think it is a more controlling, centralized top down system than ive ever seen. Theres a phrase you hear from military officers about the 5,000 mile screwdriver that somebody in the white house is trying to turn to micromanage a piece of policy. A good visual. That said, they are beginning to roll out more of a Campaign Plan now that delegates authority they have got, centcom commander and general mcfarland three star in baghdad, very strong. These are generals in the classic mode of good u. S. Military leadership. Just on the point of bob gates, what donald trump i think probably has no idea of is that in the years when American Service people were getting horribly maimed and killed in
inadequately armored vehicles, bob gates threw a tantrum. He went nuts. I was with him in kuwait. He said why cant we build something safer. Why are these kids getting killed . Sir, we can get this down six to eight months. Thats not going to happen. Youre going to get it done now. He made a nuisance of himself, fired people until he got it done. People talk about washington as if its a smooth place where nothing happens. It actually is people like bob gates who are committed to their mission and just, you know, will persist until they get done things that help the troops that they are trying to support. Talk is cheap. Everybody can talk about helping veterans, men and women in uniform. Actually bob gates. You know what, he actually did it. It wasnt a punch line for crappy, rambling stream of conscious speech. It was a way of life for him, to fight for our veterans, fight
for men and women in uniform, protect them, do his job to get they will home to their families. You know what happened, i was in france when donald trump immediately made a judgment about what happened to flight 804, terrorism and a reflection of where we are in the world. France, where the flight originat originated, they were taking a much more measured view, we have to find out, get the facts in order. Its a very complex world were living, the wore on terrorism is extraordinarily complex and cant be solved with campaign slogans. I think right now, by the way, and this table is a reflection of that every day, were in what i call the presuper bowl speculation about whats going to happen. Then the ball is kicked off and everything changes. I dont know whether hell have a different attitude by the time he gets to the convention or by the time he gets to the fall. Theres a lot of this as well on the democratic side. You know chuck todd, weve got to go to break but weve been saying for three weeks,
four weeks, he doesnt have that much time to make the turn. I dont think he will make the turn. But by the way, the reason im checking my watch, 48 hours Libertarian Party will name its nominee. If bob gates wants to travel to orlando and solve a lot of problems for a lot of people in washington, go hijack the Libertarian Party nomination. I like you have an alert on your watch. Absolutely. You joke, i do believe the big hand is i do believe, though, with gary johnson and bill they will be a factor in this. The 8 to 12 , combination, none of the above, whatever you want to call it is going to mess around with the map. We shall see. Tom brokaw congratulations again receiving legion of honor. Do you know the french
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great Society Welfare state will answer our every concern. And republicans talk as though were always 1981 and a repetition of the rig revolution is the cure for what is a us. It is hardly surprising that the public finds the resulting political debates frustrating. One of the reasons weve been suggesting great honor to have you here. Thank you very much. Very excited. Weve sat around this table for some time that we thought the rise of trump would happen Republican Party, my conservative movement kept talking like it was 1980 and didnt realize the world changed an never really developed economic policies that spoke to the working class americans who, in effect, were our base. Yeah. I think thats absolutely right. Thats key to the problem republicans have had. There have been some people in the conservative movement who have tried for a while to remind people that the 21st century is here. Republican politicians have talked to voters as if all they need to hear is that they are going to rerun the reagan revolution without thinking about what the reagan revolution was, which was a response to the challenges of the late 1970s and 1980s, rooted in conservative principles. A response to 21st century problems would look different. The Republican Party has not done the work of figuring out exactly what that is or at least showing voters they have done that. Weve talked about it a lot. I was actually in a conference with you in 2012, everybody has talked about it but at the end of the day it seems everybody pushes a button and goes back to reset. Yeah, i think some of the people who think about policy on the right have tried to do that work and some people who talked about politics on the right have tried to but the politicians have always thought the way to get to voters hearts was to remind them of the good old days. By the way, this happens in both parties. Democrats are very nostalgic. If you listen to how Hillary Clinton talks its not all that
different ultimately. Its about going back, bringing america back to its heyday in the eyes of baby boomer politicians. Voters are not as persuaded its possible to go backward. Some have created circumstances. Trump does it, too. Goes to pittsburgh and says hes going to bring steel back. Pittsburgh isnt even looking to bring steel back anymore. Thats not how things work. All of this speaking to a sense in the country that things are not going well and america is not what it used to be. The way to get us to where we need to be is not to pretend we can turn back the clock. Thats not an option. Talk about humility. You say conservatives need to show more humility. I think its absolutely essential. Ultimately conservatism is grounded in kind of humility about whats achievable. Thats what it is to be a conservative, have a limited view of what applications of power can do. I dont think thats the image conservatives have given the country. Unfortunately its certainly not the image donald trump has given
the country so that problem is not addressed either. When you talk electoraly and democratic challenges in president ial elections, go back to mitt romney, women, minorities, latino voters, donald trump is having those same challenges this time and even worse in some of those categories. How do you change that dynamic in the country for Republican Party . It seems to me that the way to break out of that problem, we can only speak to this one group of voters by the way, that group of voters is older white men also somewhat nostalgic for the heyday of their youth. The way to break out is to talk about present, contemporary problems. Conservatives are if we can get problems we have now in a good position to talk to the language of the 21st century. We dont think you solve problems the way the Old Industrial did 100 years ago. You solve from the bottom up in a decentralized way by letting people make choices. Thats what conservatives think. If youre just an average voter listening to republicans i dont think you have any idea thats the case. Worry about the messenger more than than the message. A little too old for the country, too backward looking for the country but the message, republicans have to realize they have more to offer than what they are putting before voters. Can you see it in the republican primary, ted cruz would go state to state telling voters, the problem with donald trump, donald trump is not a conservative. Voters would listen and say, okay, hes not a conservative. What else have you got . Thats not actually saying something. You need to talk about how to solve problems. You need to show you understand what the problems are. Ultimately i think that does allow you to break out of those demographic categories. I think we know what some of the problems are. What would you have republicans say. Whats number one, two, and three on your list of policy prescriptions. I think whats really crucial to understand and the reason its called the fractured republic the way the country
has changed and the country nostalgic for, a fractured society in the 21st century is now a fragmented society. Thats good and bad. Were more dynamic, more diverse. It also meant things are less stable, less secure. The way to respond to that is decentralize the way we think about Public Policy. A country not as consolidated shouldnt be governed in the way that much more centralized American Life of the 1960s was governed. Republicans do have solutions has work this way. If you think how republicans think about welfare, education, health care, its about giving people choices rather about telling people how to solve this own problems. The trouble is thats not whats communicated to voters. David ignatius has a question. David. I want to ask whether you think this problem of politics of nostalgia really can change before millennials themselves become dominant in the two Political Parties and whether you see any sign of interesting
new millennial personalities emerging in either party who could speak in a different voice, not nostalgic but looking forward. Its a great question. There is a generation of people between baby boomers and millennials, were always forgotten but im one of those people. In the Republican Party there is a generation of politicians who are in that range, people now in their 40s, maybe 50s who, you know, neither 70 nor 30 but comfortable in the 21st century, paul ryan, ben sasse, marco rubio. I think those people have a lot to offer the country at this point, because they are at home in the 21st century. Their response to looking around this country is not to say i dont recognize my country. They are in a place where they understand how American Life functions now. I do think that generation, that rising generation is actually reasonably strong on the right. Theres less of it on the left because democrats have been in power for the last eight years. They have all been taken up in the administration. I think youll see that in both
parties. So even before the millennials quite rise to the level of being political leaders, theres some hope on this front. Thats a good note to end on, a hopeful one front. Hopeful note to end on. The book is the fractured republic. Thank you very much. And still ahead on morning joe people say to me, you are going after trump. I say you bet i am because i dont want what he is saying to go unanswered. Honestly. Here is a person running for president who calls in to shows and just basically says whatever the thought of the day might be. Clinton opens a new line of attack against donald trump and gets some help from senator Elizabeth Warren to just drive it home just a bit. Stay with morning joe. We are back. With my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. Thinking about what to avoid, where to go. And how to deal with my uc. To me, that was normal. Until i talked to my doctor. She told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications havent worked well enough. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. Before treatment, get tested for tb. Tell your doctor if youve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if youve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Raise your expectations. Ask your gastroenterologist about humira. With humira, control is possible. Listerine® kills 99 of bad breath germs. This is 100 useful for a 100 fresh mouth. Whats it like to not feel 100 fresh . We dont know. We swish listerine®. As do listerine® users. The very people we studied in the study of bold. People who are statistically more likely to stand up to a bully. Do a yoga handstand. And be in a magicians act. Listerine® kills 99 of bad breath germs so you can feel 100 in life. Bring out the bold™. Mountains, and racetracks. Ve conquered highways, and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the new audi a4. With one notable difference. The allnew audi a4, with available traffic jam assist. Up next, demonstrations turn violent outside a donald trump trally in new mexico. Do scenes like this hurt or help the Presumptive Republican nominee . Hallie jackson was at that rally and joins us from the campaign
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Washington Post david ignaceous. A lot of stories. Where to begin . Bill cosby going to be facing trial. If you have flown over the past couple of months especially in chicago youll see that the tsa is shaking things up. People missing flights. I was at ohare two weeks ago and i thought they had evacuated the terminal it was so crowded. It was the security line. Anything else . The warriors lost last night. They are one loss away from being eliminated. Last night donald trump
easily won the Washington State primary pulling him within 40 delegates of clinching the nomination. I can hear a pickup truck. That was overshadowed by a violent night in albuquerque. Antidonald trump protesters clashed with Police Outside the presumptive nominees rally last night in new mexico. Some of the crowd waved mexican flags while others set fires and more chanted obscenities. Things escalated when protesters threw rocks at officers who used smoke canisters and what appeared to be pepper spray. The Police Department says several officers were treated for injuries. Trump had reportedly left the area by the time the clashes escalated on his way to los angeles where he will hold a major fundraiser. Inside the Convention Center protesters interrupted the event where 8,000 turned out to hear him speak. At the rally trump spent a lot of time does anybody question if this just helps donald trump . His opponents play right into his hands. Absolutely. Its a good way to do it because he is talking about the disorder and these are the type of people. It plays to the sense of lawlessness that trump will say he has restored. Its the 1968 thing. Order versus chaos. Remember chicago with the cancelled speech and wall to wall coverage. He was on every network all night long. At the rally trump spent a lot of time responding to Hillary Clintons attack from earlier in the day where she seized from comments in 2006 where he says he hopes the Housing Market would crash so he could take advantage and buy. Here is the web ad. Trumps response. This is an economy that cant find the bottom of bad news. Ten years saving gone. Biggest crash that you have had in the United States. I sort of hope that happens because then people like me would go in and buy. If there is a bubble burst you can make a lot of money. He actually said he was hoping for the crash that caused hard working families in california and across america to lose their homes because he thought he could take advantage of it to make some money for himself. And now he says he wants to roll back the financial regulations that we have imposed on wall street to let them run wild again. You and i together, we are not going to let him bankrupt america. And he has experience in bankruptcy. I see this low life puts on an ad, did you know that donald trump was rooting against housing because he wants housing to go down because he wanted to buy and got some clip where im saying if it goes down im going
to buy. Im a businessman. Thats what im supposed to do. If she did it she would want to buy at the top. I feel badly for everybody. What am i going to do . Im in business. She goes and donald trump is a terrible person. And he wanted to buy housing when it was at a low point. Who the hell doesnt . Who doesnt . Rolls off his back. As our senior economic correspondent. I want to buy low. Wanting to buy low and rooting for it all to go down so people lose houses are slightly different things. In the clip there, through any onus that donald trump shorted the market . No evidence he did anything actually. In his unplugged life before running for anything he was
asked a question and he said i am rooting for it to go down. We dont know if he bought. Then Elizabeth Warren got into the act giving a blistering critique of Donald Trumps position on the housing and financial markets. This, of course, is an issue near and dear to her heart and her platform. It was laden with insults and withering trump style mockery. What kind of a man roots for people to get thrown out of their house . What kind of man roots for people to get thrown out of their jobs, to root for people to lose their pensions, to root for two little girls in clark county to end up living out of a van . What kind of a man does that . Ill tell you what kind of a man does that. It is a man who cares about no one but himself, a small,
insecure money grubber who doesnt care who gets hurt so long as he makes a profit off it. Donald trump is worried about helping poor little wall street. Let me find the worlds smallest violin to play a sad, sad song. Note to Clinton Campaign, please give her what she wants. She is better at this than most come on now. Headline from National Review may 27, 2015. I heard this and so headline Elizabeth Warren bought foreclosed homes to make a quick profit. May 27 before the crash she blamed on speculators she made a bundle. Did she hope i hope that they foreclose . I think that is the bigger i think the problem here, trump was making fairly decent sense but inhume anity for rooting for it that is jarring. I dont think anybody has said that in politics. The way he tried to walk it back the other night was what you said. I think when you go back to what he said in 05 and 06 that was ugly. The thing is they are not going to turn donald trump into mitt romney. Thats what they are trying to do. I understand why they are trying to do it. They are not going to do it because he is a man without shame. Of course i gave money to Hillary Clinton. Republicans, she was in power. Of course, i have a car
elevate e elevator. I need one. Elizabeth warrens attack was searing. People who like Elizabeth Warren you like Hillary Clinton. You are for Hillary Clinton. I think Elizabeth Warren will be a great wingman for Hillary Clinton when we get into this campaign because she can say the stuff that Hillary Clinton really cant. I think it resonates. Its just like when marco rubio insulted donald trump. Totally different scenario. Lets just look didnt insult over housing investments. It was over Something Else. It did get personal. Lets look at attacking mitt romney versus attacking donald trump. One is a guy who is a target, the entire organization became brittle when it happened. The other ran right to the attacks and started throwing arrows back. I still think that trump because he has refused to release his taxes is going to be a sitting target that people would be able to chip away at. Every week a new small revelation. Turns out he didnt pay taxes in the 70s. We are learning more. What impact do you think that will have . Donald trump will go im a great businessman. I use every law i can in my favor. Just as in this video clip he will say i dont root for people to get ruined but im a businessman. When the market goes down i buy. People take that way. I didnt pay taxes because i watched that. I just think this is going to be
a continual drum beat as reporting that the press is out there looking at this stuff right now. I promise you. We are going to get many more of these. I cant imagine that the dismissals will you know what Trump Supporters do best . We learn that from donald. He is going to pay the smallest amount possible which the American People understand. Every deduction possible he fights for every dollar. That is the mindset he wanted to bring. His answer to any business question of course i took advantage to do better for my business. If joe is right and he can brush this off with this explanation then why doesnt he release them . Why not just release and say exactly what you said he would
say . I think you are going to find out he pays no taxes. I dont this can he pays. A lot more to get to. You need to stop making fun of me about Elizabeth Warren. Hold on. Let me say it. You want me to say stop bringing her name up. What we saw there in those sound bytes framing attacking Donald Trumps comments in the ad is Elizabeth Warren speaking from the heart, speaking with passion, speaking on something that she feels deeply within her soul. Hillary clinton speaking correctly with a lot of help from her campaign and words that she came up with. They need her. I hope they give her whatever she wants. In fairness to Hillary Clinton she has to do it one way as presumptive nominee and Elizabeth Warren can do what she
does. Elizabeth warren is great at that. She is out making speeches like that and on twitter. She is on board. She is going after trump. Do you think first of l i would never make if fun of you, i have too much respect for you. Do you think Elizabeth Warren is an effective is going to draw blood from donald trump . I dont think shell its like a cult. She is going to attack everybody. I dont think they will make her a running mate. I think she can do what she is doing right now. We did a report where the Clinton Campaign was on notice about her effectiveness in consideration had risen. She is from state run by republican governor. If she were Vice President you get republican replacement in the senate. Lets not get carried away. To your point, people in the clintons orbit are aware of how good she is. Still ahead on show, Hallie Jackson takes a trip back to the 90s. Who would want to do that . And the Donald Trump Campaign for her it would be a new thing. Bernie sanders hangs tough rallies thousands and thousands in california. Despite his popularity why he nor Elizabeth Warren are likely to be Hillary Clintons running mate. Bill karens after a violent night in kansas. They danced around dodge city population of 30,000. There were big ones. We had 33 reports of tornadoes. Some called Elephant Trunk or cone tornadoes. Sometimes we had two at one time. Storm chasers were out there. No trees in western kansas so you get excellent visibility. That one did take out a barn. You can see the debris flying around. We did hear about one rogue tornado in oklahoma last night that did take one life. We will bring you those pictures when we get them in. It was isolated. The worst weather is in arkansas. Little rock thunderstorm heading your way. Tulsa big thunderstorm to your north. Interstate 44 is not fun. We had overnight flooding in oklahoma. Careful on the roads. Today 17 Million People at risk of severe storms. Isolated tornadoes from minneapolis to kansas to st. Louis to springfield. The other weather story, summer has arrived. It has pushed into the mid atlantic and northeast for the first time this spring. 90 in new york city. It is going to stay with us. Thursday d. C. 88 degrees. Cool weather is in the west where you had a warm spring now flip the script and you are on the cool side right through memorial day weekend. New york city ready for the first 90 degree day of early summer season. Youre watching morning joe. Cancer. We dont want to think about it. But i had to. Because, you see i was traveling, i was enjoying life, i was working. It was too long since my last pap. When i was finally tested, we thought i might have cervical cancer. After worrying no cancer. I was lucky. Women. Please get a pap test to check for cervical cancer. And get the inside knowledge about gynecologic cancers. For you and the people who care about you. With usaa is awesome. Homeowners insurance Life Insurance automobile insurance
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while im running for office what democracy means to me is i have to convince you to vote for me. If some of you dont vote for me i can live with it. What i will not accept is if
somebody runs against me and buys the election by putting billions of dollars into a campaign. So explain to us what happened. What happened was so Washington State they had a contest and bernie won. Won big. So he won washington. But then they decided to vote again and hillary won. Wait. Im confused. So who won washington . Bernie won washington. Hillary did but that was last night. They had one before. Bernie won the first one. Thats a good system. What happened . You hear the republicans going we are going to try to change our system to make it better. Thats what they did four years
ago and gave them donald trump. Every time they try to rig a system to get a result they want. This time to help jeb bush. Im so impressed by the fact that the votes are placed, delegates are awarded and more people voted in the primary even though the vote didnt count at all. More people voted in the primary. A lot of people smoke pot in Washington State. I didnt say there was anything wrong with that other than it makes you dumb. It makes people offended when i say that. So lets go to charts. What is the betting line look like as it comes to Vice President s . We will talk about Vice President s. The general election. You want torevisit that i will bring you a chart next
time. Everybody is wrong. Lets start with the republican side because the market has a stronger view of this and much to my surprise it has Newt Gingrich at 31 chance. You have been saying this since reagans funeral. Gingrich would be the oldest Vice President in history at the age of 73, older than biden. Anybody know who the oldest Vice President in history was . It wasnt cheney . So we have gingrich on top and then the senator from iowa who has been mentioned a lot. And then a bunch of martinez. She is off the list. And look the one thing to remember about all of this is at 31 that is a one in three chance so you have probability that it is somebody else. I find these things hard to speculate about. Dems is more confusing because market has a different view. So there are four people who are clustered in this top tier. At relatively small percentages. You have the secretary of hud. Tim cane from virginia. Elizabeth warren. Not going to happen. Bernie sanders not going to happen. So there you go. I think the party is so split that the only way to bring it together in a meaningful way is Bernie Sanders as vp. If you look at any data
points party was more split in 2008 than today. The data points i looked at were showing 65 of democrats saying they were going to support Hillary Clinton. So there were three more names in the list . Cory booker. Lets do one last chart on the general election. The betting markets have had a clear view about this all the way back. So if they are wrong you can dismiss them forever but they have been consistent and strong on the side of the democrat winning. Even after all the issues of the last couple of weeks in terms of polls and so on 65 still predict that democratic will be
elected. You can see as you look through the timing how the republicans have faired which is as donald trump became more likely as an establishment candidate and less likely the republicans chances declined until the most recent time when the polls have tightened. The elections tend to be much closer than 65 35. I understand that but im saying there are institutional issues, demographic issues. Republican parties coalescing around trump faster. It does seem like we are had what odds on trump . If i can bet on trump 46, 47, Something Like that. Almost even money. Thats not really almost. I think 46 is probably close to even. Is it fair to say that these numbers have been wrong over the last year . I remember early trump numbers were almost nonexistent and projection models. The betting markets are not perfect. They have predicted the ultimate outcome very well. Early on they did not take trump seriously. Dead wrong on the republican side. In fairness they flipped around back about the time of the nevada primary and were consistently trump after that. Still to come, the taliban under pressure. The inside story of how the u. S. Tracked and killed second top leader in less than a year and why pakistan and the u. S. Are at odds over whether this helps or hurts the peace process. 7 it takes a lot of work. To run this business. But i really love it. Im on the move all day long. And sometimes, i just dont eat the way i should. So i drink boost® to get the nutrition that im missing. Boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle. All with a great taste. I dont plan on slowing down any time soon. Stay strong. Stay active with boost®. How are you doing today . Thats how i am. American express presents the blue cash everyday card with cash back on purchases. My only concern is that this is where we put food. A dogs foot is cleaner than a humans mouth. Thats what they say. Is it . Cleaner than my mouth. Get cash back with American Express. This clean was like pow. Everything well . It felt like i had just gone to the dentist. My teeth are glowing. They are so white. 6x cleaning , 6x whiteninga in the certain spots that i get very sensitive. I really notice a difference. And at two weeks superior sensitivity relief to sensodyne i actually really like the two steps step 1 cleans and relieves sensitivity, step 2 whitens. Its the whole package. No ones done this. Crest healthy, beautiful smiles for life. No, youre not yogonna watch it tch it we cant let you download on the goooooo youll just have to miss it yeah, youll just have to miss it we cant let you download. Uh, no thanks. I have x1 from xfinity so. Dont fall for directv. Xfinity lets you download your shows from anywhere. I used to like that song. Coming up on morning joe, donald trump goes down the conspiracy road again fraum fringe to front page news when Hallie Jackson joins us live. What body aches . What knee pain . What sore elbow . Advil liquigels make pain a distant memory nothing works faster stronger or longer what pain . Advil. Does your makeup remover every kissproof,ff . Cryproof, stayproof look . Neutrogena® makeup remover does. It erases 99 of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. Need any more proof than that . Neutrogena. Since 2000 the number of people on food stamps in new mexico has tripled. We have to get your governor to get going. She has to do a better job. Your governor has got to do a better job. She is not doing the job. Maybe ill run for governor of new mexico. Ill get this place going. Shes not doing the job. Here is a beauty you can all love. Syrian refugees are being relocated in large numbers to new mexico. If i was governor that wouldnt be happening. That is such a thats donald trump attacking the female hispanic governor from a swing state the republicans should win if they at least she is a weak powerless governor. Wait a second, she is the chair person for the republican governors association. Joining us now. All the people you want to attack if you dont want to be president of the United States. Hallie jackson, you were at the trump rally. Set the scene for us. Reporter the Governor Martinez attacks were new for
him. You hit the nail on the head. She is somebody whose name has been mentioned by at least one Campaign Source as possibly somebody who they might be interested in as a Vice President ial candidate. That looks like it is not going to happen given trumps comments but clear that they understand where they need to fill gaps with perceived vulnerability. Many members of the Latino Community coming out to protest Donald Trumps rally last night. It started off really peaceful. The demonstrations happening outside what we have seen before at trump events. Protests at all of this. What was unusual was what happened. There was a bottleneck of Trump Supporters trying to get out. Police were blocking the doors of the Convention Center because demonstrators were trying to storm their way in throwing rocks. Apparently deploying pellet guns. You saw protesters throwing rocks, throwing bottles at
officers on horse back. Officers using pepper spray. A lot happening last night in what you saw as escalation of the protests. It was not at the level of chicago or Southern California. We can tell you at least one person has been arrested according to officers and several personnel had to be treated for injuries after being hit by rocks. All of this comes as donald trump has gone after Hillary Clinton. He did so last night at that rally and did so in the Washington Post when asked about that theory involving the death of clinton aid vince foster. We took a look now because that is not the first time donald trump brought up discressed theory or responded to one. Here is a look at his history with conspiracy theories. Look at this crowd. Reporter Donald Trumps latest forainto the fringe questioning the death of vince foster. Trump now calling widely debunked theories of foul play
very serious telling the Washington Post it is very fishy. You think stuff i said about her is bad. Fosters death ruled suicide by independent investigation. This far from the first time trump has dabbled in the discrediting. It is a logical continuation of things donald trump has been talking about. Remember birther claims against president obama . Trump led the movement that prompted the president to release his long form birth certificate and unleash on trump flmpt and we can get back to focussing on the issues that matter like did we fake the moon landing . The problem for donald trump is that now he needs to win over a broader swath of the electorate and this is simply speaking to the converted. As candidate trump he has only turned up the volume making
mainstream theories other politicians dont touch. When ted cruz was in the race trump speculated about a rumor linking cruzs father to jfks assassination. The fact that he didnt deny the picture. I ask what was that about . Typical for trump, raising the question, letting it hang for someone else to answer. This is nuts. My dad killed jfk. He is secretly elvis. This campaign when asked about the death of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia trump repeated another rumor. They say they found a pillow on his face which is unusual place to find a pillow. Officials say scalia died of natural causes. The conspiracy theories can dominate for days like when trump said this about the
reaction of Muslim Americans to 9 11. I watch in jersey city new jersey where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Independent Fact Checkers say that is just not true but just not stopping trump. Trump now coming under fire from democratic opponents for talking about some of these conspiracy theories. He said he is simply responding to questions posed by others and doesnt bring it up on the campaign trail. Hallie jackson, thank you. That kind of sums it all up. Joining us now for political round table is author and New York Times columnist let him say it. And Brian Sullivan is with us, too. Easy. The piece entitled trump taps into anxiety of american white males talk about that and brian will take a look at the economic motions coming out of that. It is clear now that these coalitions that are forming, donald trump can only win if he continues to do well with white men and some others, maybe people the white men know. And Hillary Clinton is building a coalition of groups that have seen their freedoms and resources, women minorities, immigrants. And for donald trump to be as high as he is he may not be as bad a strategy as we all assume. We all assumed since mitt romney lost that unless you get 35 of hispanic votes and at least double digits with black americans you are going to lose. Donald trump is doubling down on white males. Not a great long term
strategy but may be good enough for right now. I think the question it raises is these white men who need to make a decision about being part of a coalition of resentment need to make a decision about whether they feel in the next america that is coming they are being joined on stage by women and minorities or whether they feel they are being replaced. If you dig into poll numbers there is a lot of emotion around feeling replaced rather than joy and feel they are losing the country. America is becoming too feminine. The government worries too much about black people. There is feeling of being shoved aside. I think the election will turn on whether that group of people feel joined or replaced. You feel too feminine. I think there is bigger problems here for Republican Party long term. I will ignore that. It is not just that he will rely
on white men, he is not investing in the data operations of the Republican Party and voter contact operations. He will give big speeches. One of the most confounding things. This might and could work. There is a chance but if you are thinking long term for the Republican Party everything he is doing could be crippling in cycles to come. Maybe the most short termest human being. In 2004 he was the god father of this microtarget s. He did it using 2004 techniques but he did it because it was a base election. He knew we are not going to win in the middle. We are going to get our people to come out. This is the type of election you have to microtarget more than any other. Trump is not doing it. Interesting that we talk
about this now because trends from Economic Perspective have been happening for 30 years. Men in the work force have been declining since 1972. The peak year of u. S. Manufacturing was 1979. We go back to this nostalgic. This is just the culmination of years. What happened after the financial crisis i think we realized this, companies laid off thousands and millions of workers and realized that they didnt need them anymore. There is a professor at the university of Southern California who is exper nmting building homes with a giant 3 d printer. Construction has been a destination job for the Young American male. What happens when machines and robots i think american men are terrified they are going to be replaced by a robot and all of these trends are someone has to build
now software is thinking. I think we have 30 something percent not working. You go out to Silicon Valley. It was 3 in the 50s. You go to Silicon Valley and talk about what is the world you are building. Very smart people are thinking about a world in which 70, 80 of people wont have work on a permanent basis. Its terrifying and you are right. Im sure some of you saw this last night. For the first time in American History the majority of men age 18 to 34 are living with their parents and not a significant other. Im just saying that really shows you tell your mom we say hi. She is watching. They are fully operational models of Retail Stores that
involve no human beings. Restaurants are going fully automated. This is not like the past where the blacksmith went on to be an Assembly Line worker. This time i think there is a real fear. Incomes are coming down because software is a lot cheaper. That said, there are opportunities. There is an opportunity actually entrepreneurial opportunity to be able to do so much from your garage. There is also an opportunity where somebody can make a really good living. Our educational system is not set that way. We have this factor that says get great grades and go to a Great College or dont go to college at all. And there is a middle ground with Community Colleges and votech training where you can
make really good money. I will leave you with this stat. Yesterday snap chat valued at 20 billion. You know how many employees they have . Under 30 and they are all under 30. On that note. I think part of what is happening is the shifts are so big and the election is so mean spirited and a spit contest that we are not thinking about the really, really big historical shift that would put 80 of people out of work. We cant have that conversation in the High School Bar fight that we are in the middle of right now. Thank you very much. Good to see you again. Been a long time. Still ahead on morning joe, one year, two top taliban leaders killed. Inside the High Tech Campaign and the fight against the spring offensive. Keep it right here on morning joe. Its not something you do now and then. Or when its convenient. Its using stateoftheart simulators to better prepare for any situation. Its giving offshore teams onshore support. And its empowering anyone to stop a job if something doesnt seem right. At bp, safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. At bp, safety is never being satisfied. Prge a manufacturer. Well thats why i dug this out for you. Its your grandpappys hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. It meant a lot to him. Yes, ge makes powerful machines. But ill be writing the code that will allow those machines to share information with each other. Ill be changing the way the world works. interrupting you cant pick it up, can you . Go ahead. He cant lift the hammer. Its okay though youre going to change the world. Sir, this alien life form at an alarming rate. Growing fast, you say . We cant contain it any long. Oh you know, that reminds me of how geicos been the fastestgrowing auto insurer for over 10 years straight. Over ten years . Mhm, geicos the company your friends and neighbors trust. And deservedly so. Indeed. Geico. Expect great savings and a whole lot more. The taliban has appointed a successor to replace a top former leader killed in a u. S. Drone strike. Mansour was slain and one deputy will take over his old role. He kind of seems nervous. The wall street journal reports he was tracked using communications while he met with
his family. While traveling back through Pakistan Armed drones took out his white toyota corolla. Confirmed killed less than a year ago his successor. The white house is hailing it as a major step in bringing peace. The interior minister says u. S. Has sabotaged the peace process. The director of center on National Security karen greenberg, the author of the new book rogue justice, the making of the Security State which explores how law and policy were reshaped to serve the war on terror. Thank you for being on board with us this morning. Something that we have grappled with since 9 05 a. M. September 11. How are we doing 11 years later, 15 years later . The balancing of security and Constitutional Rights . We are not doing as well as we should be. In the very beginning so many rights were taken away which would have been understandable and fine for a given period of time. Reconstituting them has proved almost intractable. Ill give you an example. 9 11 happened 14 years ago, 15 years ago. We still havent tried anybody for that crime. We have them in custody. We havent tried them. That is a broken legal system. That is a broken. You think they should be tried in the Southern District of manhattan . If they can be tried at guantanamo fine. It is taking forever. I dont care what court they are tried in my guest is Eastern District of virginia but it doesnt matter to me. I think it matters to the American People. One thing that happened we
focussed on the balance and liberty versus security. What we missed was security versus justice. Justice has taken a deep dive and that is one of many examples. Torture. Torture is another example. It is still on the balance of donald trump and others. What have we not learned from numerous reports that says that torture doesnt work. Not only doesnt it work, if you think you have torture in your back pocket do you think compromises you doing on the ground intelligence work you need to do . One confounding thing of the Obama Administration is that they have been reluctant to look at where we misstep. They say lets move the conversation forward. Let me ask you, had we had a better fuller accounting would we be in a different position today . Yes. How so . For one thing torture and
surveillance. The Obama Administration has tried to do it behind the scenes. They released report after report that we may or may not know about what went wrong with surveillance. How many laws are broken . How many constitutional principles were broken . There is a reason it is not out. There is a reason why democrats love to point at republicans and say what they did nancy pelosi, they were all in that room and they were all saying what can you do . Of course, habeas corpus, the intournament of japanese americans in 1942 forward. It is something that we do. It is something that we do except when you have a war that ends, when you have a war that ends like the civil war this is a war that is not going to end. Its not going to end. We have to manage it. The idea that we have not held
people accountable is extremely important. I believe more important Going Forward as we go into a new presidency. As we go into a war with isis. It is going to be complicated and challenging. I want to ask you a question about a potential president trump. A few months ago i rang up a bunch of top legal scholars and asked how much are you afraid of an author tar yn personality becoming presidency. Everybody said in the Way Foundation of the rule of law you described could be leveraged in a dangerous way in a new direction by president trump. Can you talk about how the foundation you described could be exploited . If you want to look at our Founding Fathers and think about what they were protecting against, a certain kind of tyranny and lack of respect for liberties, now we have a general
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medina ridge the chosin reservoir these are places history will never forget but more important are the faces we will always remember. Welcome back. Time to talk about what we learned today. What did you learn . Its a fashion trend that you started about nine years ago against the will of management and now it is like you have a Perfect Match right over there. Just go and stop interrupting. Look at this. We did not coordinate. I wear this every day. Look at this right here. What did we learn . Im going to wait for the camera to get back on me. I learn we will be replaced by robots in a matter of years. What did you learn . That this is the time to invest in Conspiracy Theory company stock. What are we going to learn today . I learned nine years ago i have to thank you for being able to dress this way. It is comfortable. Im going to pajamas next. Next time Steve Kornacki just sprinkle cookies. Just let it fall on your sweater and you have a Perfect Match. Steve kornacki picks up the coverage right now. Good morning. Im Steve Kornacki. The count down continues. 167 days until the election. Topping our agenda chaos in new mexico. Violent protests create a frightening scene outside a donald trump rally last night in albuquerque some activists throwing rocks at police and then used whatpp
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