It was an kprieting night by the donald followed by an Early Morning phone call about Foreign Policy to the gang of morning joe. Since we have dire Foreign Policy issues percolating around the world right now, who are you consulting with consistently so youre ready on day one. Im speaking with myself number one because i have a very good brain and ive said a lot of things. I know what im doing and i listen to a lot of people, i talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time ill tell you who the people are but i speak to a lot of people and my primary consultant is myself. [ laughter ] [ applause ] why do i get the idea when it comes time to pick a running mate, hes going to pick himself for that. Its very interesting. The second that happened we all looked at each other and said that could be the quote of the campaign. In. In realtime. Realtime. And he meant it. Good morning, its thursday march 17. Welcome to morning joe. We have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics, mark halperin, nbc news senior White House Correspondent Chris Jansing and in washington republican pollster and columnist in at the Washington Examiner Kristen Soltis anderson. Good to have you on board. The joke was that he talks to himself and as a punch line its very interesting what you were talking about yesterday morning, what you first reported on we all started to hear rumblings about. Theres a real outreach to republicans from trump. Hes starting to aggressively go after any and all republicans. He believes it is time to seek peace with the Republican Party. Hes doing the smart things that any outsider becoming the nominee of the party would do. Hes reaching out to the old bulls in the party, people like orrin hatch and others who he hasnt needed up until now. Formally to become the republican nominee youve been reaching out to these people for months but hes doing it now. Not all of them are going to be won over but a lot of them are saying, look, this guy is likely to be the nominee, lets make peace with this. As we all know, he can be charming. On those calls hes coming from a great position of strength, hes reaching out. As i understand it, a lot of them are being very
accommodating. Very willing to hear what he has to say. We had willie early the campaign when Hillary Clinton was pressed why did you go to his wedding . She was like hes a fun guy. Thats the thing. Weve known him for 10 years on and off and everybody, whether its Hillary Clinton or you or us or anybody in new york, one on one hes a charming guy. Life of the part yeenchy. Its very interesting, when hes in front of a microphone hell say im great, im great. But when hes in front of you at a party willie, you book, the greatest book ever written. And his first book was the greatest. But its one of the things where people say well, how could that guy get one on one with republicans and pull them over because when hes off camera
hes the opposite in many ways as when hes on camera, the charm comes on. He is charming. I just wonder if charm is enough to twin over as you call him the old bulls who have come out publicly and said hes a disgrace and this guy cant be the standard bearer for our party. Do they get in line with him because they think he would be a good president , do they get in line because theres no alternative. There was some feeling that now that john kasich was in there maybe the Old Washington group would get behind kasich and support his run. Any evidence of that . Some of them are. And i continue to believe hes an undervalued stock here. Hes the fourth most likely next president of the United States, john kasich. Youre talking about kasich . But the second most likely you said he was scattered. That looked like a scattered speech. It looked like you were being polite about trump or kasich . John kasich. He got a great reception in pennsylvania. A very crowded town hall but he didnt seize the moment. Now go back to trump, hes the
first or second most likely president of the United States and if youre a republican, even if you oppose him on some level, you have to acknowledge hes most likely to be your nominee. We can imagine what hes saying in these calls and its intoxicating. Its the first real conversation these people have ever had with donald trump, most likely their nom ghee. And you go back to your home state of florida, joe, antitrump forces spent five, six times what he spent there. Oh, my god. And look what it got them. Theres a reality check for a lot of republicans. And if youre rick scott, and this is what other people are going to start looking at, they dont like him in washington, d. C. , they loved marco in washington, d. C. But you go to a state like florida, the guy is winning by 20 points and florida politicians see he wins everything county except one, he wins 66 out of 67 counties in florida then theyre going wait,
that may not be a risky bet after all, do i want Mitch Mcconnell campaigning with me in barto, florida, or donald trump . Thats easy. And i think well start to see, mika, a remarkable amount of rationalization. I talked with alex burns of the New York Times yesterday, hell be coming on later today, i think well see a tremendous amount of rationalizing over the next two to three weeks because right now everybody will start getting in line. Because trump has no infrastructure. Theres nobody around him and so that presents opportunity for a washington consulting class thats never been shut out like this before. Its very complicated conversation. Even to hear several of you say he is charming. You just isolate that and you could literally launch an avalanche of criticism from people in the media, from
womens groups, from muslim organizations because he has said some horrible things and its not just but notice, mika, when we said charming off camera, charming away from the microphone. Its still a complicated conversation. Thats one of the great ironies. Thats not true. I think some of the things have been said in front of the microphone. Mika, thats what im saying. Give the man a microphone and camera and theres nothing charming about him. Okay. Have him go to events around new york like weve all gone to and suddenly its like Hillary Clinton said, hes charming, hes nice, hes likable. And hillary said in our interview she doesnt recognize the donald trump thats running for president right now. Its very complicated. It should be interesting. But i think the falling in line will be fascinating, too, because those private conversations, then these republicans are going to have to explain publicly and i think this is going to be very challenging for them. I think it will be hard. When it comes to the republican race for president , of course, if theres no donald trump, theres no debate. Next weeks Republican Debate in utah was officially called off yesterday after two of the three remaining candidates said they wouldnt be there. Fox news confirmed the cancellation in a statement writing in part obviously there needs to be more than one participant so the Salt Lake City is cancelled. Trump cited a prior commitment for not doing the debate. Hell be giving a big speech before the prominent Israel Lobby Group aipac on the same day. The Kasich Campaign followed up saying without trump the Ohio Governor wouldnt be there either. The only other republican still run, senator ted cruz, used the opportunity to attack trump calling him ducking donald on twitter. Just not going to work the same way. Lying ted just has more of a ring to it, doesnt it . Ducking donald. Cruz challenged trump to meet him in washington. You have to be careful, also, how you say that. His excuse is silliness and it reflects his assumption that he thinks the voters cant figure out hes not telling them the truth. Aipac would have allowed him to speak at any time, its a multiday conference. He chose to speak in the middle of the debate because hes scared to debate. He looks down on the voters. He thinks theyll believe whatever hes saying. So ill be in d. C. For aipac as well and since donald is running away from the debate im happy to debate him there. So chris we were trying to figure out why he went after megyn del kelly and we said mak pace, i guess he doesnt feel like he has to. If i were donald trump i dont know that id make a different decision. At this point theres not a lot of polling coming out of the upcoming states but arizona is one of the next ones on the docket where he has the endorsements of sheriff joe and former governor jan brewer. So if youre donald trump, you dont want to disturb the
equilibrium in the race that has you on best path to 1,237 delegates. And theres something hes been saying in interviews voters might agree which is how many times do you ask us the same questions . We saw the same exchange between tuesday and marco rubio over immigration over and over and over again. I think there are still really important questions that need to be asked of donald trump and i think fox news when theyve hosted these debates, whether it was Chris Wallace bringing up graphics to contradict things that trump was saying or the video clips megyn kelly introduced to hold cruz and rubios feet to the fire in a previous debate, fox has introduced new questions but generally i think trump will find a sympathetic audience when he says i dont know these that these debates are adding anything to the table, im done with them. Nobody will have a problem it with. There have been so many and it hasnt moved the meter for him. Why would he bother . Yesterday trump warned of requested bat things happened if he gets to on the convention with the most delegates and isnt nominated. If we didnt and if were 20 votes short or if were 100 short and were at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400, because were way ahead of everybody, i dont think you can say that we dont get it automatically. I think it would be i think youd have riots. I think youd have riots. I think bad things would happen, i really do. I wouldnt lead it but i think bad things would happen. Meanwhile, donald trump is once again training his attacks on Hillary Clinton suggesting she is not tough enough to face russian president vladimir putin. He made his point in a new video posted on instagram with the caption is this what we want for a president . [ barking ] [ laughing ] are you going to go scorched earth with Hillary Clinton . Are you going do all the personal stuff with her and her husband . Are you going to do that . I think id rather not say now. Its early. We had one run in about two months ago and i helped bernie a lot because her numbers came down very big after that, but that was my only real confrontation with her. Well see what happens. But whatever it is, it is. Ill do what i have to do. We were thinking he might rest when he got off the campaign trail. He had a very busy day yesterday cancelling debates, attacking Hillary Clinton, you name it. Talking about riots if hes not nominated. Once again driving the entire news day while, as mark said, he was lounging at home in his
barca lounger. NHillary Clinton in her speeh turned to look to donald trump, he had an Instagram Post that had her barking out of the context. Which in context was really funny and real. You mean what hillary did . Yeah. But to answer bill oreillys question, is donald trump going to go personal on Hillary Clinton . Yes, he is and he introduced it a month or so ago, he spent a week or doing it. It tied the Clinton Campaign in knots. Bill clinton had to just deflect questions on rope lines. It will be interesting to see how they handle that stuff. Lying ted. Little marco. Low energy jeb. And hes also, mark halperin, started and we can expect more of this the low energy attack on Hillary Clinton as well. But you were commenting yesterday on don rickles, what about don rickles. We always wanted to know what a
day off the campaign trail would look like for donald trump. It seems he consumed media by doing four very provocative things that if any other candidate had done one of those things it would have made headlines and filled up their basically news quota for the week. He got dressed to do the bill oreilly interview but Everything Else he did, the web video and the morning shows by phone, including this one, and on twitter, just another show of how he can dominate a day without leaving manhattan or leaving trump tower. Monday is going to be a very big day when he does that aipac speech hes doing instead of the debate because Hillary Clinton is speaking to the same group and while both of them are still in nomination fights, the it will be a side by side comparison for the first time in a forum that you wouldnt think would necessarily play to his strength and im pretty confident shes going try to give a speech to frame the general election not just on issues related to israel but on question of whos ready to be commanderinchief. Its going to be fascinating to see what kind of speech he gives head to head. I think that yeah. Im looking ahead to the speech to aipac but also how they respond, it can kris, to his speech. I havent ever heard him go incredibly deep on these issues. I dont know how he does a speech like that and kind of keeps it light and says believe me. I was talking to people on the campaign yesterday and they feel obviously pretty confident about this area at least of the competition. Where its more difficult is when you talk about this other stuff like the ad we just saw. If youre the Traditional Campaign and if youre us, people who have been through many campaigns and you can look ahead normally and you can say so what are going to be the areas of attack and you can preprepare for what you think the areas of attack will be. With donald trump its almost impossible to calculate where he might go because he goes to places where people have never gone before and so its almost inevitable that theyre going to find themselves back on their heels so aipac, i think, is a
really great opportunity for her because its an area where she feels incredibly competent, they feel they are way ahead of him by miles and miles and miles and they can sort of set the agenda. How many other times in this campaign have you seen anybody but donald trump set the agenda . I wonder, following up on what chris just said about never knowing where the attack went, were you guys as surprised as i was that David Plouffe yesterday repeated what he said several weeks before which was democrats who are underestimating the chaos that this man can cause for Hillary Clinton dont know what theyre talking about. Theres no doubt he fears David Plouffe, a guy who knows something about this donald trump a lot more than any of the other republicans in the race. Hes unpredictable in his attacks and unpredictable in the electoral college. He says he can compete for northeastern states, he might be able to. He can compete for demographic groups that other republicans
couldnt compete for theoretically. He could be blown out but he could scramble the map and make Hillary Clinton play a ton of defense. Lets get to other headlines. The Obama Administration is demanding the release of an American College student sentenced to 15 years of hard labor by north korea. 21yearold Otto Warmbier was found guilty of subversion after allegedly stealing a propaganda banner from his hotel. Former new mexico governor bill richardson, who has negotiated with north korea in the past, says he is working to get the student released. We will see what happens with that. In washington, d. C. This morning, the metro system resumed at 5 00 a. M. After an emergency one day shutdown for safety inspections. A top official with the metro tells the Washington Post the that the shutdown was necessary and this three of the problems discovered during the course of the day were show stoppers that required immediate repair. Sad news from the world of entertainment this morning, frank sinatra, jr. , has died,
son of the legendary crooner and nancy sinatra, frank, jr. , followed his fathers footsteps with his own musical career and worked as musical director for his dad. Sinatra died of cardiac arrest while on tour in florida. He was 72. Finally the Broadway Musical hamilton may have helped founding father Alexander Hamilton keep his face on the 10 bill. The Treasury Department has plans to revamp the bill to include a womans face. Many thought that meant that hamilton would get booted. Linmanuel miranda, the creator and star of the hit musical hamilton met with treasury secretary jack lew this week. He says lew told him youre going to be very happy. I knew that was going to happen. Did you . As popular as hamilton was, i knew if linmanuel get in a room with jack lew, it was over. 10 founding father. Just a little strange. Maybe theyll move him up and
take somebody off a 50. Or have multiple versions of the bill. Like different Sports Illustrated covers . Exactly. Put him on the 2. I think we need the 2 back. I want the twospot back. The star of a broadway show is negotiating with the Treasury Department . He wasnt negotiating. He was in washington to perform at the white house and he had a meeting with jack lew. But he said because . Because hamilton is you know what Michelle Obama said . Michelle obama said ham hamilt the greatest piece of art shes ever seen. I agree. Its the greatest thing ive ever seen. John podhoretz disagrees. He has to Say Something negative. Unfortunately you have to take a second mortgage on your house. I still dont get the meeting with the treasury secretary. John needs to smile more. So everybodys seen hamilton but us. You havent seen hamilton . Cultural illiterate. Its only the greatest piece of art ever. And take a pass. Wow. Its playing a couple blocks from it. You can see it in 2019 if you act now. For 4,000 a ticket. Oh, my god. Still ahead on morning joe, the president s chief of staff, Denis Mcdonough joins us for a live interview. How the white house plans to push through a Supreme Court nomination amid a bitter president ial election. Plus, two of the top legal experts on what the president s pick would bring to the bench. That discussion is straight ahead. But first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. Youre not going to believe which start. The sunday monday part. Just stop. Joe said he wanted one more good snowstorm and i said, you know, for joe i can probably deliver. I dont think i said that. No . What you got for us . Were calm today, guys, not much of a problem out there. The only horrible weather is we had a strong thunderstorm go through the fort worth area
south of downtown dallas. Severe thunderstorm with hail and right over the top of desoto waking up people early. St. Patricks day, boston should be great. 54 for the new york city parade. And no problems whatsoever in chicago, either, 55 degrees. A pretty nice day out there, Late Afternoon thunderstorms will be widespread, though, san antonio along the gulf coast. So lets talk about the sunday into monday piece. Our computers are in disagreement. The european model thinks we could have a significant snow event in new england, possibly even south of new york city even outside of d. C. Our american computer model thinks well have a storm but a little further off the coast so were still three and a half days out but the potential is there and there will be enough cold air that the potential for a late season snow, that would be for the first day of spring on monday. So well give you updates on that tomorrow and over the weekend here on msnbc. Youre watching morning joe. New york city parade starts at 11 15. Well be right back. Trolling for a gig with braindrone . Cant blame you. Its a drone you control with your brain, which controls your thumbs, which control this joystick. No, im actually over at the ge booth. Were creating the Operating System for industry. Its called predix. Its gonna change the way the world works. Ok, im telling my brain to tell the drone to get you a copy of my resume. Umm, maybe keep your hands on the controller. Look out ohhhhhhhhhh. You know what, im just gonna email it to you. Yeah thats probably safer. Ok, cool. Then smash it into a tree. Ch on a perfect car, your Insurance Company raises your rates. Maybe you shouldve done more research on them. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise your rates due to your first accident. Liberty mutual insurance. So yesterday on the
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saw, his rhetoric was typical john kasich. Thats what hes like. Thats his personality. I was surprised. Only guy with a Campaign Event yesterday, big battleground state, big moment and i wouldnt say necessarily seized the moment. But his speech after the ohio victory was also it seemed to be unfocused given the time and the moment. He still has time but i dont think he took full advantage of it yesterday. Kristen soltis, what for republicans that are looking for an establishment candidate, the concern of john kasich has always been that hes not quite as focused a politician as he should be, right . I think theres a couple of concerns about john kasich. One you have some folks who consider themselves very conservative who would prefer ted cruz over john kasich as the alternative to trump because they view things like his expansion of medicaid in the state of ohio as being anathema to conservatism and the fight to
stop obamacare. So there are folks that are conservative republicans who view john kasich as much of a nonstarter as they view donald trump. But at this point, off lot of folks saying, look, hes the governor of ohio, thats a big state, at least forcing democrats to play defense in ohio would really be powerful on the electoral map. And, frankly, when i hear him talk about issues, things like gay rights, etc. , he both has this kind of bluecollar vibe to him but also talks about these issues where i think republicans are struggling to adapt to the future in a way that i think could potentially be a path forward. So john kasich, its going to be fascinating to watch because hes got these two factions of the nontrump party that hes going to be trying to go for but i think the hard core conservatives may be lost to him. Are there enough of the Establishment Republicans who are never trump who are not sort of warming to donald trump or going through the accepted stage
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extremists in the party. When the whole animating of energy of the United States senate is in effect to try to deny the legitimacy of the president who was democratically elected, the legitimacy of whats called for in the constitution means they really have just gone the extremist route. And, lets face it, trump is the natural consequence of that. That was senator Elizabeth Warren last night speaking with msnbcs chris hayes. I couldnt agree with her more. Of course. Does anyone disagree . No. I think you would blame the Obama Administration and everyone blames everyone but trump but thats a big part of it. From the getgo the republicans saying no and you see in the the
Supreme Court nomination. I guess Mitch Mcconnell called him and said were not going to have a vote on you. Whats wrong with them . Im curious. Has nobody in washington, d. C. On the republican side ever heard of the slow roll . Let me check my calendar, ill call you back and we will get you before a Judiciary Committee some time this summer, sir. Rude. Instead of like, no. Why . Why . Are they so scared of their base that they cant at least play this out . Tell me one thing about this nominee that is offensive to the Republican Party . The key is going to be grassley. There are those who say chairman grassley will never have a hearing unless mcconnell goes for it. There will be a lot of pressure on him in iowa and he cares what iowans think about him. If grassley decides he wants to have a hearing, the whole thing changes but until grassley schedules a hearing obviously he cant be confirmed. And this nominee makes president obamas eightyear point for him which is that hes putting out somebody eminently qualified . Trying to be president. That many republicans have voted for the past and now he can say if they obstruct him, if they wont even talk to him theyre doing it to defy me. As they have time and time again. Isnt there an orrin hatch quote out there where orrin hatch said in an earlier nomination that if they had put him up there wouldnt be a fight. He said it about this one. Im saying when there was a fight in the past i think he said it about this vacancy. Alex, what do you have . This was in 2010 after elena kagan was nominated he said quoting the New York Times senator orrin hatch made clear to the president he considered judge garland a good choice. I can do you one better, orrin hatch last week said president obama could easily name Merrick Garland, who is a fine man, but he probably wont do that because this appointment
is about the election. Im pretty sure hell name someone the liberal Democratic Base wants. President obama yesterday nominated and the white house did one of these calls yesterday and the mood was i dont want to call it gleeful but they started going through his resume. He tutors third, fourth, and fifth graders. From his judicial expertise to the quotes republicans have said about him over the years, they feel like theyve got look, this was completely designed by the white house to give republicans agita, to repunctuate the point that washington is broken and its the republicans who have made it broken. So pull that ayotte quote and the one we have access to, alex. Joining us in washington, joans by cue pick and georgetown law professor jonathan turley. I guess, jonathan, if you look
at this nominee, what is offensive . What potentially could republicans have a problem with . Is there anything . No, i dont think there seriously is a problem in terms of his hes certainly a moderate. I dont think a democratic president could move any further to the right. There are a few issues, however, that would be a concern. One is that he voted to reconsider the case that became heller. And heller is the case where the Supreme Court said there is an individual right to bear arms under the second amendment. He heller is gospel for conservatives and hes viewed as a nonbeliever and thats a big ticket item for these members. The nra could score that vote. They could put pressure on both republicans and democrats and that is one wedge issue that could come up. But, of course, thats not going to come up if we dont have hearings. Its interesting, youd think that could be potentially a really important argument or debate or discussion to have so
im sure when Top Senate Republicans were asked about this, maybe they pointed to that. Alex, do we have some of the response from the republican side about this nomination . Can we roll this now . Heres kelly ayotte, im sure shell talk about it. Out of courtesy and respect i will be meeting with him if he wants to meet with me but i will clearly explain to him as well that i believe that the people should be weighing in on the november elections before a confirmation process goes forwar forward. John thnathan, give us a precedent. Has this happened before . No, there have been long delays for Supreme Court nominees. There certainly have been rejections. In 1875 you had Something Like this, but its relatively rare. I think that what you have to look at is first theres historical practice which favors the white house in having a hearing and a vote and then theres the constitutional standard and certainly the
republicans are correct. There is no requirement that they hold a hearing and a vote. I think they should. But theyre certainly correct that they can withhold their consent and they can even withhold a hearing. And this is a calculated move to be sure. I think part of the view of people like Mitch Mcconnell is that this is an issue that could very well bring republicans out. The republicans have far more skin in the game here. They have far more to lose. The fact is, even appointing a moderate on the court is likely to flip a lot of results, including issues like gun rights. Because whereof scalia was on the far right, any moderate will move that needle to the left. So, joan, wouldnt the republicans have something to gain by giving this guy a good clear look . I think if they want to be fair about this nominee they would do what usually happens is that you have a look and you meet with the man and initially
as you remember some senators said we wont even meet with him or do do the traditional courtesy calls but two things should be clear here about what the administration is doing with this appointment. In part it dates to when president obama had his first appointment in 2009. He looked at Merrick Garland when he ended up choosing Sonia Sotomayor and he deliberately held Merrick Garland in reserve for this moment. The white house officials thought if they ever had an opening in an Election Year and the senate had flipped to the republicans Merrick Garland would be perfect. And i think we saw that in the tableau yesterday. The Senate Republicans might hold firm, but the white house has chosen someone who looked very serious, very competent, very able in every way and nonconfrontational. Think of who had been on the short list, people who maybe might have made a bigger statement, played to the base. And what president obamas message was is, look, weve chosen a serious jurist here, you really do need to pay
attention in a way you might not have if, for example, he was putting on the first africanamerican woman who had been on the list or, you know, the first indian american, asian american. So i think this nominee was in some way ready made for this obama moment. Will it change things . I think we saw a little bit of an opening yesterday but just going back to whats been said before, the stakes are so high and Mitch Mcconnell really understands those stakes. Hes always been very interested in the federal judiciary and even a moderate like Merrick Garland will are change things. But jonathan, there was perhaps a little opening yesterday but mcconnell got on the phone with Merrick Garland yesterday and told him explic explicitly were not going to meet with you. Were not going to have a hearing. So look on the horizon of this hearing. Where does Merrick Garland end up . Does president obama go with somebody else . Does he get a nominee during his administration . Well, where garland ends up is a place no one wants to be. Hes really between the unmovable object and the Irresistible Force and thats not where you want to be. You know, theres a chance, a back end strategy that if Hillary Clinton were to twin election the republicans could say we prefer the moderate we know than the liberal we dont and they could at that point while obama is still in office move this nomination. But i dont think theres any way that theres going get this cat to walk backwards. The republicans have made very clear this is not about him, its not about person, its about the principle and they iron play that by bringing up president obamas position with alito and filibustering alito and also what they call the biden rule where biden took this position. So theyre pretty armor plated and im afraid judge garland is right in the middle. Thats why most people would want this cup to pass from their lips. This is not a great place to be. Chris jansing, isnt there a
sort of isnt this what the president is supposed to do with his authority . Well, this is the argument that the white house is making. But, joan, im curious about how donald trump plays into this. He plays into everything and the concerns that people have if he becomes the nominee and if it becomes less likely that a republican is the next president and then who would a Hillary Clinton or a Bernie Sanders nominate . Where is me ahe in all of this could it move the need toll see if we have hearings on garland . Thats a good question. We have a certain set of factors that are dictating everybody. We have a limited knowledge of whats happening judicially but think of how much could play out during the summer. Think of what could happen in the nominating conventions, any other changes relative to the court. So we just dont know what will happen in upcoming months, we also dont know for sure what the strategy is of the
administration. Im sure when they had Merrick Garland on the short list, they had 20 steps for why to get there. Im sure there will be more beyond big name endorsements and visiting the senate. Theyll look for cracks where states where republican senators are vulnerable. So i think that what were seeing now is the early picture of what could develop and as much as people have drawn lines in the sand, this is much different than in 2005, for example, when senator Patrick Lahey actually voted for john roberts. This time around, the opposite party people have said were not doing it at all. So theres much more saving of face that could be a factor here. They cant really back down even if they start to some of their colleagues get wobbly. But i do think that a lot more will evolve and i frankly,
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the appropriate time ill the el you who the people are. I speak to a lot of people but my primary consultant is myself and i have a good instinct for. That was donald trump yesterday responding to mikas question on morning joe. Lets sneak in on oped on that subject. The wall street Journal Editorial Board writes writes will donald trump, chris
jansing, have a good answer eventually to mikas question . Thats the 6 million question, isnt it . He has got to at some point. You brought up aipac. At some point theres going to be a very vivid comparison and world events happen, right . And people will see in realtime how these remains five candidates respond. And i think that could be a clarifying moment for a lot of people, when they find themselves really in the middle of something that they care about, particularly on the world stage and he is asked about it and well see what kind of depth he has and hes going to have to come up with that answer. If you want to see one person belief of how the Party Establishment is switching its posture towards trump, look at the same wall street journal editorial page today. Karl rove, rather than mocking trump, has ten pieces of advice for him about how he can do better and one of it is you need to bring in people. You need to use this time of the nominating process slowing down to bring in experts and
consultants. Trump gave a big speech on israel and Foreign Policy to the Republican Jewish Coalition a few weeks ago where he talked about how he won a lot of awards and his daughter is jewish. I think people are expecting he gave a lot of money. And they was grand marshall in the parade. Have you ever seen him read off of a teleprompter . Donald j. Trump billionaire . No. He has notes, usually they involve the latest polls. For a speech like aipac he needs to read off of a teleprompter and avoid id be stunned if he did. Avoid hummus moments. Ben carson. The great danger. Mr. Trump did not like when i pointed out that at the Republican Jewish Coalition speech people in the audience laughed at some of the things he said. Hes not used to that. This aipac speech is a big moment. He needs to read from a
prepared text. So far it hasnt mattered. The message is we need to be strong, we need to have a military so strong they wont mess with us. It matters now. He said to you two in charleston that he was basically neutral between didnt want to prejudge the issues between the palestinians and the israelis. Hes going to have to address that question in front of aipac where they dont like that position. If he wings it in front of aipac, it wont go well. It just wont go well. We can predict it right now. They will laugh at him. This is not an audience that doesnt know the depth of this issue. This is not going into an auditorium in Middle America where he can speak in generalities and people can respond to his celebrity and charisma. He said privately he knows this is a huge speech. The days of speaking in generalities, the days of winging it, the days of speaking off the top of his head are over
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is not nominated. I think we can win before the convention but if we didnt and were 20 votes short or if were 100 short and were at 1100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400 because were way ahead of everybody, i dont think you can say that we dont get it automatically. I think youd have riots. I think bad things would happen. I really. Do i wouldnt lead it, but i think bad things would happen. Steve schmidt, maybe not violent riots, but there certainly would be upheaval at the convention if they tried to take the nomination from a guy who had a large plurality of the delegates who won the most states and the most votes. What would that scene look like . Im not sure upheaval is the word for it. It would be chaos. He is an outside insurgent candidate. His voters, many of them firsttime voters in the process and those voters dont necessarily understand the two parties are the vehicles by which we advance democracy in
america but by themselves are not inherently small d democratic institutions. This is not a one man one vote process but i think ordinary people view it as such so if you go into the convention you have all the political machinations and it results in a it results in a nomination by someone who maybe didnt even run for president during this process or with the second or third place candidate and people will go nuts and you know certainly if its seen as being engineered by the quote unquote establishment and at the end of the day the Republican Party is fragile and Donald Trumps candidacy for the first time in a long time, even some republicans who say ill never be with trump hes picking up new voters, expanding the partys base. It would implode under those circumstances and have dire
consequences down ballot for the house and senate. The these historical analogies for people who say well, this has happened before, overlooks a couple things. First of all, it used to be primaries and caucuses were not as big a part of selecting the nominees. This process has become democratized and millions of people will have voted. The other thing is twitter and social media. It will be theyll have to change the rules to make this happen on once they start changing the rules it will look like a fixed inside game. There will be a huge pr effort to convince the public this is fine but it will be hard. You had a republican official who said yesterday i have news for the voters, you dont choose the nominee, we in the party choose the nominee, the delegates choose the nominee. Which begs the question of why voters go out and vote. Which goes a long way to explaining why jeb bush and marco rubio and every establishment candidate has gotten their political brains beaten in this political season because washington, d. C. Is disconnected. The Republican Party in
washington, d. C. Has been disconnected for 30 years. Steve, they have promised to deliver on balanced budgets. Theyve promised to deliver on smaller government, they have promised to deliver on a mortar restrained Foreign Policy and they have given voters, especially working class voters who voted for them time and time again just the opposite. Think about the nitwit kid in texas who was let off of his murderous drunk driving charges with the affluenza defense. The republican establishment in washington, d. C. Has a case of affluenza. You have six of the ten wealthiest counties in the country surround washington, d. C. You have a Real Estate Market that took a narrow downturn but rebounded very quickly. You have a city thats insulated from economic distress, its recessionproof to some degree. So this republican establishment, the consulting
class in washington, d. C. , these are not living wage jobs. And at the end of the day, i think they totally miss the psychic impact, the Economic Impact of the great recession, of the economic collapse. It was such a seismic event in the modern history of the country that even eight years later its the defining issue of the 2016 campaign as it was the defining issue of the 2008 fall campaign. And they just dont get it. Dont understand the impact for bluecollar wage voters and youre seeing them all play out in this general election and this republican establishment in washington, d. C. Until the middle of the fall, legitimately if you talk to people in washington they say, well, no, jeb bush will win, hes the republican frontrunner. Until very, very late in the process. And then they immediately
said marco rubio is going to win. Then it was marco rubio. And now its theres going to be a brokered convention and well upend the results of the actual voting and have paul ryan be the nominee. So all of this continues to play out almost on an hourly basis by a very disconnected and decapitated republican establishment in washington, d. C. So yesterday trump picked up the endorsement of Florida Governor rick scott. I mean, nobody saw that coming. He wrote in facebook in part if we spend another four months tearing each other apart, we will damage our ability to win in november. Its time for an end to the republican on republican violence. Its time for us to by again coming together. This while South Carolina governor nikki haley, who endorsed marco rubio with great fanfare sticking the political knife directly in jeb bushs back is now backing ted cruz. Okay. And it didnt quite work for
nikki haley and marco rubio in that state. Another rubio supporter, senator jim inhofe of nebraska endorsed john kasich yesterday. Thats john kasichs second endorsement from a sitting senator. Oklahoma. What did i say in. The prompter said nebraska and you beautifully read it. Oklahoma, never been to spain but ive been to oklahoma. Giving him the most of the republican candidates. Ted cruz thinks he can beat cruz if its one. I think theres some data to suggest he could. Why is ted cruz getting weaker . Why did he have such a bad night. He didnt win a single state. Whats happening . Well, he was targeting congressional districts to win delegates more than to win states. He dropped off with some of the groups hed done better with before. I think hes not my sense is
hes lost because trump is such a powerful force. He did not do well with voters who care about the economy. He has a tax plan but they havent been part of his national profile. He needs toe do that. The republican frontrunner is once again training his attacks on Hillary Clinton, suggesting she is not tough enough to face russian president vladimir putin. He made his point in a new video posted to instagram with the caption is this what we want for a president. Is [ barking [ laughter ] are you going go scorched earth on snHillary Clinton . Are you going to get into the personal stuff with her and her
husband . I think id rather not say. Its early, i want to get it first and we had one run in about two months ago and i helped bernie a lot because frankly her numbers came down very big after that but that was my only real confrontation with her. Well see what happens but whatever it is, it is. Ill do what i have to do. Kristen, this is a guy who doesnt buy advertising and he doesnt have to because he puts up Something Like that on instagram, a 15second clip or whatever that was. It goetets picked up all over t place. An effective message . Is that a good way to go after Hillary Clinton . It will be interesting because this contrast between strength and weakness is something donald trump has used to destroy all of his opponents thus far in the republican primary and he wants to take that to a general election. But the question of whether or not Hillary Clinton is tough,
voters may think shes trunot trustworthy or too liberal, her unfavorables are low but they dont think shes weak or a pushover so it will be interesting to see if hes able to make the case against her hes been making against the marco rubios and jeb bushs of the world. Steve schmidt, i dont know that thats a place to go Hillary Clinton has been far her 30 to 40 years in Public Office one of the tough eest political figures on the scene. Shes endured more in one decade than politically most endure their entire life. No doubt. But if we go back and survey the political field over the course of this campaign, for sure the craziest answer anyones given to any question was jeb bush. Knowing then what we know now, would we have done iraq again . And jeb bush says yes. What is Hillary Clinton say when that question is out if her with regard to libya . And so talk about National Security, we talk about foreign
policy. What are the successes from a National Security perspective of this administration . Where is america stronger in the world. Where are we more respected in the world . Where are her successes as secretary of state . There has not been a secretary of state who had a more incompetent performance than Hillary Clinton in the modern era. This is going to be exploited in this general Election Campaign and i believe hes setting that setting the stage. Why do you say that . This was an administration that began by sending to the United Kingdom back the Winston Churchill statue that was in the oval office. The atlantic this month, an american president taking the special relationship outside of the privacy of it and attacking a british Prime Minister publicly on a range of issues. Outside of iran, outside of cuba
where is the United States stronger and more respected internationally and globally than we were before january 20 of 2009 . The world is in chaos, the country is unmoored from a global strategy and i think she was the architect over the first four years of the administration. Huge vulnerabilities. As a matter of political strategies, donald trump and karl rove share one view. Dont shy away from your opponents perceived strength, go after it. George bush went after john mccain for being corrupt when mccains reputation was being honest and not corrupt. They went after john kerry on his war record when it was thought because kerry served that might be an advantage. I believe donald trump looks at not just the factual record as steve has outlined it on the
administrations Foreign Policy but he looks at Hillary Clintons perceived strength on that and says im not going to yield that, im going to go right at her strength and try to demolish it by saying shes not an effective leader. She supported regime change in iraq and afghanistan. He will ask the question of steve doubled down in afghanistan. If hes the nominee, hell have a version of what steve said. Name countries in the world where the United States has better relationships now than before barack obama and Hillary Clinton took office and hell say the correct answers are cuba and iran. And that answer will not play particularly well in certain parts of the country. Hmm. Well, i think this has been argue t argument all along but he has got to get a team and hes got to get some names standing by his side that make people feel more confident than i talk to myself. And i have a great brain. I mean, this is incredibly dire
situation around the globe that call for very specific language. No doubt its time to start bringing people around him. Again, as mark reported yesterday and were hearing, hes starting to reach out and call a lot of people. Well see if that continues. Kristen, the question is from what you have heard and people you know in washington, d. C. , republicans, do you get a sense that at some point the republican establishment and rankandfile republicans are going to line up behind donald trump if he is their only chance to beat Hillary Clinton . I think were still way too far off from knowing because i think at this point the math has it that if donald trump was going to get enough delegates to walk into a convention with that 1,237 locked up it wouldnt even happen at this point until june most likely. So weve got a long way to go
for people to decide if they want to accept trump as their new overlord or if they hold out hope something will happen at a convention where trump comes in with less than that majority and therefore in subsequent rounds of balloting you wind up with a situation where you have a cruz kasich ticket. I think as long as there is still as long as people are saying youre still saying theres a chance. Youll see a lot of republicans hesitant to jump on the trump train unless they are somebody like say a Chris Christie where theres no political down side to doing so or a rick scott where theres really no political down side to him for doing so. For folks that i think have a longer career left in republican politics, who want to perhaps one for things in the future, who view trump as potentially very risky train to get on board with and are worried about potentially damaging their own reputation over the long term, im talking like decades that they view themselves as being in politics, they may choose to stay never trump, try to sit
this out and wait as long as possible before deciding if theyre in or theyre out. Kristen soltisanderson, thank you. Still ahead on morning joe, president obama has drawn battle lines after putting forth Merrick Garland as his nominee for the next Supreme Court justice. Up next, white house chief of staff Denis Mcdonough joins us to explain how well get time through a lessthanenthusiastic senate. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. We got another one. I have an orcogram for an owen. Thats me. You should hire stacy drew. She wants to change the world with you. She can program jet engines to talk and such. Her biggest weakness is she cares too much. Thank you. My friend really wants a job at ge. Mine too. Im a wise elf from a far off shire. And sanjay patel is who you should hire. Thank you. Seriously though, stacy went to a great school and shes really loyal. You should give her a shot. Sanjays a team player and uh. When it comes to the fithings you love,. You want more. Love romance . Get lost in every embrace. Into sports . Follow every pitch, every play and every win. Change the way you experience tv with x1 from xfinity. Thank you, the mr. President. This is the greatest honor of my life other than lynn agreeing to marry me 28 years ago. As my parents taught me by both words and deeds, a life of Public Service is as much a gift to the person who serves as it is to those his serving. Out of courtesy and respect i will be meeting with him if he wants to meet with me but i will clearly explain to him that i believe that the people should
be weighing in on the november election before a confirmation process goes forward. Wow, interesting to see those two soundbites back to back. This morning, reaction is pouring in from both sides of the aisle following president obamas nomination of judge Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. A handful of republicans, many of whom up for reelection like kelly ayotte say they are open to considering or at least meeting with garland. Others, like senator roy blunt said i can barely schedule a call with my sons math teacher so probably no. Oh, my god. Really . Joining us now from the wuss, president oba the white house, president obamas chief of staff, Denis Mcdonough. Have you been able to schedule calls with your childrens math teachers . Have you had time to do this . We always make time for our kids teachers. I know you guys have such challenges with these issues. But you can also somehow manage to do your constitutional duty, right . So whats the strategy given that republicans seem to be digging in even on a candidate or nominee that has been chosen thats really i think there have been leading republicans who have named this nominee as a good idea. Is it to just humiliate them by letting them be themselves . Thanks for the opportunity to be with you, happy st. Patricks day. Our play book for this one is the constitution. When theres a vacancy on the Supreme Court, the president has the responsibility to nominate someone to fill that vacancy and then the senate has the responsibility to confirm that nomin
nominee. The president has nominated someone with years of experience, somebody who led the federal response to the terrorism in Oklahoma City so we think that this is the right judge for that assignment and we think the senate should meet with them and vote on them because thats what the senate has done for more than 225 years so we hope they do that this time as well. Have you been actively speaking to chairman grassley and do you believe that he may, in fact, schedule hearings . We have been talking to senators throughout the course of the last month since the sad and obviously unexpected death of justice scalia. So we have been working with and talking to senators. I wont characterize where they
are. We were gratified to see more than a handful of republican senators changing their position agreeing to meet with justice garland which is, frankly, not surprising given the unquestioned excellence and remarkable experience of this amazing judge. So well see how this develops over the next several weeks and months but the play book is the constitution. Denis, i want to ask you a purely political question. If chairman grassley decides changes and decides he wants to hold a hearing and senator mcconnell is against it, do you think hell be able to overcome senator mcconnells resistance . Well, you know, i think theres several conditionals, if in that sentence. So heres what i will say. Every Judiciary Committee chairman over the course of the last several decades has give an hearing in a vote to Supreme Court nominees. We think thats what this chairman should do and what this
senate should do. Its a similple question of fairness on top of their constitutional responsibility. We think they should be fair as the president said yesterday and we think at the end of the day they will be. Steve schmidt . Chief, good morning. How many calls did you make to republican senators . Did the Vice President make to republican senators . Did the white House Counsel make to republican senators seeking their advice about the confirmation, about the nomination of the judge over the period of time between Justice Scalias death and yesterday. Steve, thanks. I couldnt add them up right now. We made a lot of them. On this and other issues and obviously talked about this at length with our friends. I think whats important to point out here, though, is that going back to 2009 when we were confronted with the first vacancy on the Supreme Court uniformly at that time through
2010 and up to today republicans and democrats have said to us the judge garland is the kind of nominee they would like to see on the Supreme Court. So while the president ran an exhaustive process here to come up with a judge of excellence we came back to somebody that has been referenced to us by republicans and democrats is going back to 2009 when we first got here. As you did into the judges record, you see his temperament as you just showed. You see why we dime that conclusion. All right, denis, thank you so much for being with us, Denis Mcdonough, we appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Lets bring in the moderator of meet the press and host of mtp daily chuck todd. Chuck, how do you think republicans are handling this . I think they put themselves in a box by drawing this line in the sand because if mcdonnel somehow caves i think the base
will go bonkers. I think it only would feed the notion that donald trump has been exploiting which is the leaders in washington dont fight, theyre out of touch, all of that. At the same time, this has put kelly ayotte, pat toomey, mark kirk, rob portman, all of these swing state republican senators running for reelection in an awkward spot because they have to sit here and, look, you have to give the white house credit. I think a lot of people didnt think they would do garland because garland isnt fighting up the Democratic Base. Garland isnt an identity politics pick that will galvanize a specific group or be used as a way to get out the vote or Something Like that. He went purely for the pick that would make republicans most uncomfortable. Im just wondering how limited they are in their thinking, these republicans that you listed, chuck. Because their options are to look at someone that on paper they could be open to. Or to wait it out and to force president obama going against the constitution which ive heard they like, to wait it out and see who Hillary Clinton or donald trump picks. I mean, im sorry, it defies logic. Did you see what pat toomey said yesterday . It seems like the word stupid could be used here with respect. Theyre not being smart. Did you see what pat toomey said . What did he say . He would probably consider and possibly vote to confirm judge garland next year. Oh, okay. Cool. So it seems to me Mitch Mcconnell coming out of this quickly as they did. Steve schmidt calling them up saying we wont provide hearings, he has actually boxed them into a position where three months from now if kelly ayotte,
rob portman, pat toomey, other ron johnson, other people in swing states are saying im getting killed back at home. Even if we vote him down, we have to have hearings. It seems that escape route was cut off and i havent understood the logic of the Republican Party from day one. From the instant scalia died to immediately go oh, were not going to why dont they slow roll it. Why dont they let the process play out and have the vote even if they vote him down . Good question. Mitch mcconnells kneejerk response after Justice Scalias death is a Public Relations debacle for the Republican Party and as chuck pointed out, you look about these republican senators in contested races and democratic states and marginal seats, Mitch Mcconnell has put them in a more difficult position by orders of magnitude than anything that donald trump has done. This is a real issue in all of these states and there are four ways to derail a Supreme Court justice nomination you can do it ideologically, you can do it through an ethics prism, you can do it through a qualifications aspect but you can do it through process that there are violations of process on the senates role to advise and consent. There are many, many opportunities to say, hey, well give all due consideration to the judge and to derail it slowly over time to do in the bad faith, thats the nature of politics. Theres really no person in american politics who has more politicized the Supreme Court in the confirmation process than joe biden has over the last 20 years so, you know, theres not a lot of sympathy on the hard ball politics side of this but Mitch Mcconnell put republicans in extremely tough position with regard to this confirmation. Chuck, lets talk about more about Chuck Grassley, the chairman of the judiciary who remains the key to this. I agree. Tonight on with all due respect well have patti judge, the former Lieutenant Governor of the state who will run as a democrat against grassley. What will it take for her, the Des Moines Register and other voices in the state to pressure grassley to change his mind which i think, again, is the key to the whole thing. Apoll that shows grassley under 50 against patti judge. Weve seen Chuck Grassley is somebody that listens to his constituents. In 2009, Chuck Grassley and orrin hatch were working with the white house, were talking about health care, were he was part of that working group with max baucus of a bunch of republicans that were working in good faith on a health care bill. Then grassley saw what was going to happen to him at home, experienced the town halls, saw that hed probably get primaried and lose, saw where republican primary voters were. He was up in 10, he listened to his constituents and he backed away from health care. The point is that i think he is he will listen to iowa constituents before Mitch Mcconnell every day of the week, thats the Chuck Grassley way. So you show if theres a poll that shows Chuck Grassley in trouble because of this, hes going to hold hearings. All right, chuck todd, thank you very much. Just ahead, if Hillary Clinton wants to beat donald trump in november, does she need to stop acting like a politician . Well talk about joe kleins provocative new Time Magazine column ahead. Which allergy . Eees. Bees . Eese. Trees . Eese. Xerox helps hospitals use Electronic Health records so doctors provide more personalized care. Cheese . Cheese patient care can work better. With xerox. Thats it. How was your commute . Good. Yours . Good. Xerox real time analytics make transit systems run more smoothly. And morning chitchat. Less interesting. Transportation can work better. With xerox. dog mmm, beneful healthy weand lowcalorie. Keeps me looking good. 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ourselves that didnt exist ten years ago. So are they saying if we create a back door to this terrorist cell phone and if information in there, were also creating a back door for hackers to get into your bank accounts, get into your personal information, to know where you and your family are moving . You cant create a back door that only the good guys can use. Once it exists, it exists and it will be out in the wild essentially and so people are trying to hack apple all the time and people like Michael Hayden who knows the Cyber Security threat as well as anyone comes down in favor of apple on this which is very surprising. Even people like Lindsey Graham who started out thinking apple was wrong, the more looking into this comes to the other side. Its a more complex issue with higher stakes and so cooks main point is having a single judge and a single court looking at a single case, setting a precedent that has such high stakes is not how Something Like this should be decided. This should be Something Congress actually passes a law
about. Steve . Is there a more narrow scope and ability to look at this particular terrorist phone to see if there are other operating cells in the United States without opening the door writ large that were worried about that youre discussing today . Is there no proportionality that can be brought to this case . Thats a good question and the fbi is saying this is just about one phone, one case. What apple is saying this is not a matter of we have a key to this phone, we hand over, you unlock it, you give it back, were done. They have to write a new Operating System that would allow the fbi to get into this phone. Thats a very different thing. Everything that is available and accessible, apple has already turned over to the fbi about this phone. To create a new Operating System that would allow the fbi to get into it, there are other you know, the d. A. In new york has 175 phones from other cases that he is just waiting to have apple have to unlock as well. So there are understandably if your job is law enforcement, if youre jim comey or anyone else you want to be able to get into these phones. The question is, is it in everyone elses interest to weaken the security of these devices. And thats its not a privacy versus security so much as it is law enforcements needs to try to solve a crime versus the security of people who are trying to prevent bad things from happening. Mark halperin. Tim cook is a patriots and businessman and has a responsibility to his share holers. Is he doing this because his shareholders want it . Is he doing it to protect his business . Is he doing it because he believes in a higher principle . Does it have to be one of those . It can be both. Theres no question apple has been very successful, that secrecy is apples product. Its very much part of what theyre identified with and they have enormous stakes outside of the u. S. , too. 25 of apples iphones are sold in china. So theres no question that there are huge commercial
implications to this. But every other Major Tech Company pretty much from facebook and twitter and microsoft all have weighed in on apples side so its not and they are including apples competitors. Do you think he thinks it would hurt his bottom line if he gave in . He talks, at least, like a man with a mission and this is not to say that he is not also protecting his shareholders but what was so interesting talking to him is to hear where he was most passionate and clearly most invested and i think he feels like this is not a soundbite conversation. These are the stakes of this conversation are enormously high because of the power of these devices and so we have to be having a more sophisticated nuanced conversation than you can have when its one quick soundbite. So, joe klein wrote a provocative piece in time and says to take out donald trump, Hillary Clinton must first stop acting like a politician and he
writes this of stopping donald trump. Clinton seems particularly ill equipped for the task. Worse, shes the human embodiment of the establishment that trump has been running against. Hiss he makes an interesting point that its okay to lie, you cant temperize. When Hillary Clinton changes a position about the Keystone Pipeline or tpp it plays into the notion that you dont know what she believes, that politicians will say anything to get elected, all of the arguments about inauthenticity and temp heerizing 245 this election season is putting a high price. So his lying is authentic and hers isnt . I think people and you have explored this a great deal whether its Bernie Sanders or donald trump, the candidates who are not talking in the way politicians traditionally have. Who are saying things that you quote unquote cant say and survive and yet they are is
changing the nature of the political dialogue so completely. I dont know whether four years from now or eight years from now any of what were seeing and learning now will apply, but right now in this atmosphere the way Hillary Clinton talks does not work in her favor when voters are looking for something that sounds very, very different. To somebody not bought. Ish the new issue of time is out right now. Still ahead, louis keeps austin weird. Very weird. His dispatch from south by southwest. Stay with us. Scale up. Microsoft cloud changes our world dramatically. It wasnt too long ago it would take two weeks to sequence and analyze a genome. Now, we can do a hundred per day. With the microsoft cloud we dont have to build server rooms. We have instant scale. The microsoft cloud is helping us to rebuild
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work with our young people all over the world, not as president , i will not run for president. No. No. Not going to do it. Hey, and here is one of the reasons that was first lady Michelle Obama speaking at south by southwest yesterday, the festival is in full swing in austin, texas, its been 30 years since it began and lewisburg do remember of is keeping it weird. In 1987 south by southwest Music Festival was founded right here in austin, texas, 30 years later the International Festival showcases the biggest names in film, tech and of course music. We came here to see what its
all about. We thought wouldnt it be great to invite those people to aus be and the business and maybe 300 will show up and we will have some bands play and we will see what happens. This is our first time so lots of things are bound to go wrong, but you are there with us learning as we go along. Over the next decade south by southwest took on a life of its own. Capturing the attention of the Music Industry on a global scale. Tonight in nigeria Flash Forward to 1994, perhaps the most pivotal year in the festivals history. Johnny cash uses south to relaunch his career. I wanted first to do some songs from my new album. To be free in addition to the man in black that same year the film and interactive portions of the festival were born. One of the early pioneers richard linklater. 23 years ago nick barbaroe got up on a stool and read off a crinkled piece of paper the Award Winners in a lobby of the theater. It was so like first year festival. Every year it just gets bigger and bigger and cooler and cooler. I used to think i was doing rick a favor coming here and now its like im lucky to get in. Great thing about austin is this dynamic cultural mash up of hugely talented people, whether its art or food or government or high tech. Its one of those Great American cities that feels like a town and a city at the same time. Yeah, i love this town. Its just got a good vibe. Women making media that matters, we are so about that. I think this is a really good city to showcase the talent
around the world. Our country, the way things are going right now, people need more elements like this in their life. It started from just a little bitty gig to to the president giving a speech here. South by southwest brings together people who are at the cutting edge. Hes kind of i think really showing us its as much a tech fest as it is a film fest or a music fest. And whenever the new thing that will happen in our society is going to be its going to be here first. This years festival is larger than ever with thousands of musical acts and hundreds of films, but despite its evolution its essence remains the same. This town has always been a place of art is first. Austin is a place where you can be as weird as you want and no one cares. Everywhere else there is total chaos and austin seems to be a city of love, man. Austin is like a love of weirdoes, walk down south congress you will see it. Its great. Keep it weird. Whatever your weird may be, nobody is judging you for it, man. No matter what youre about, come here and be passionate about it and be authentic and austin will embrace you. Party town, man. Isnt that a crazy town . Youre head there had and you know you are. It is a great town. We will talk more about that later, but you are going to austin even weirder this weekend. Austin, what a town. Incredible place. And they have they have great music, great food, great people, pretty much great everything. Even the airport is good. Wow. Such an eclectic mix, too, Steve Schmidt, everything combined in one. Hands down one of the great cities in the country, great university, as mark said the food is great, the music is great, its an awesome place. Still ahead on morning joe, which donald trump will we see today . The one reaching out to Party Leaders to prevent a nasty break up or the one who predicts riots if he loses the nomination at a contested convention . We will try to figure that out
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after any and all republicans. He believes it is time to seek peace with the Republican Party. Hes doing the smart things that any outsider becoming the nominee of the party would do. Hes reaching out to the old bulls in the party, people like orrin hatch and others who he hasnt needed up until now. I mean, normally you try to become the republican nominee, you would be reaching out to these people for months, but hes doing it now. Not all of them are going to be won over but a lot of them are saying, look, this guy is likely to be his nominee, lets make peace with this. As we all know he can be charming. On those calls now hes coming from a great position of strength, hes reaching out and as i understand it a lot of them are being, you know, very accommodating, very willing to hear what he has to say. And we had willie early in the campaign when Hillary Clinton was pressed, why did you go to his wedding . She was like, hes a fun guy. Thats the thing. You know, weve known him for ten years on and off and
everybody, whether its Hillary Clinton or you or us or anybody in new york, he is a oneonone he is a charming guy. The life of the party. Yeah. Always at the center and always telling you that youre great. Its very interesting. When he is in front of a microphone he will say immigrate, but when he is a party, willie, your book, the greatest book ever written. And people dont it was the greatest. His first book was the greatest book. I was waiting for that part. It was. No. It is one of the things where people say, well, how could that guy get oneonone with republicans and pull them over . Because when hes off camera hes just the opposite in many ways as when hes on camera, the charm comes on. He is charming, i just wonder if charm is enough to win over as you call them some of the old bulls who have come out publicly and said that hes a disgrace and that this guy cannot be the standard bearer for our party. Do they get in line with him
because they think he would be a good president or do they get in line with him to the extent they are because there there is no alternative to him. I think the feeling was now that john kasich was in that they would get behind kasich and support his run. I continue to be he is an undervalued stock here. Look, he is at fourth most likely next president of the United States right now, john kasich. Kasich. But the second most likely you said he was scattered, though. That looked like a scattered speech. It looked like you were being polite. Trump or kasich . John kasich. He got a great reception yesterday in pennsylvania, very crowded town hall but he didnt really seize the moment. Going back to trump he is the first or second most likely president of the United States and if you are a republican, even if you oppose him on some level you have to acknowledge he is most likely to be your nominee. I mean, we all can imagine exactly what hes saying in these calls and its intoxicating for a lot of these
people. Its the first real conversation most of them have ever had with donald trump, most likely their nominee. You go back to your home state of florida, joe, right. Right. Antitrump forces spent five, six times what he spent there. Oh, my god. Look what it got them. 20 million. There is a reality check for a lot of republicans. If you are rick scott and this is what a lot of other people are starting to look at, they dont like him in washington, d. C. , they loved marco in washington, d. C. , but you go to a state like florida, the guy is winning by 20 points and florida politicians see that he wins every every county except one, he wins 66 out of 67 counties in florida, then suddenly theyre going, wait, that may not be a risky bet after all. Do i want Mitch Mcconnell campaigning with me in bar toe, florida, or do i want donald trump . Thats easy. And i think were going to start to see, mika, a remarkable amount of rationalization. I talked to alex burns with the New York Times yesterday, hes going to be coming later on today, but i think were going to see a tremendous amount of rationalizing over the next two to three weeks because right now everybody is going to start getting in line because trump has no infrastructure. Theres nobody around him. And so that presents opportunity for a washington consulting class thats never been shut out like this before. Its a very complicated conversation. I mean, even to hear several of you say he is charming, you put that you just isolate that and you could literally launch an avalanche of criticism from people in the media, from womens groups, from muslim organizations because he has said some horrible things. But notice, mika, we said charming off camera. Charming away from the microphone and that is its still a complicated conversation. That is one of the really great ironies. Thats not true. Whats to true . I think some of the things have been said in front of the microphone. No, mika, thats what im saying, give the man a microphone and camera and theres nothing charming about him. Okay. Okay. Have him go to events around new york like we have all gone to and suddenly its like Hillary Clinton said, hes charming, hes nice, hes likeable and hillary said in our interview she doesnt recognize the donald trump thats running for president right now. Right. Its very complicated. It should be interesting, but i think the falling in line will be fascinating, too, because those private conversations then these republicans are going to have to explain publicly and i think this is going to be very challenging for them. I think its going to be hard. When it comes to the republican race for president of course if theres no donald trump there is no debate. Next weeks Republican Debate in utah was officially called off yesterday after two of the three remaining candidates said they wouldnt be there. Fox news confirmed the
cancellation in a statement writing in part, quote, obviously there needs to be more than one participant so the Salt Lake City debate is canceled. Trump cited a prior commitment for not doing the debate, he will be doing a big speech before the Israel Lobby Group apac on the same day. The Kasich Campaign said without trump they wouldnt be there, either. Senator ted cruz used the opportunity to attack trump, calling him ducking donalded on twitter. Its just not going to work the same way. No. Lying ted has more of a read to it, just kind of flows. Cruz challenged trump to meet him in washington. You have to be careful, also how you say that. His excuse is silliness and it reflects his assumption that he thinks the voters cant figure out that hes not telling them the truth. Listen, apac would have allowed him to speak at any time, its a multiday conference. He chose to speak right in the
middle of the sedate because hes scared to sedate. He looks down on the voters, thinks theyre gullible and will believe whatever hes saying. I will be in d. C. For apac as well, im happy to debate him there. So cruz said at this point actually we were trying to figure out why he went after megyn kelly. You have to make peace. I guess he doesnt feel like he has to make peace with megyn kelly or fox, that hes just not go to debate again. If i were donald trump i dont know that i would make a different decision. At this point there is not a lot of polling coming out of the upcoming states, but you have arizona is one of the next ones op docket where he has the endorsements of sheriff joe and former governor jan brewer. If you are donald trump you dont want to disturb the equilibrium in the race that has you on the best path right now to 1,237 delegates. And theres something he has been saying in interviews recently that i think a lot of voters might agree with which is how many times are you going to ask us all the same questions. One of the problems is that a lot of these debates are not illuminated a lot of new things. We saw the same exchange between ted cruz and marco rubio over immigration over and over again. I think there are really important questions that need to be asked of donald trump and i think fox news when theyve hosted these debates whether it was Chris Wallace bringing up graphics to contradict things that trump was saying or those video clips that megyn kelly introduced to hold rubio and cruzs feet to the fire, i think fox has introduced new questions but generally i think trump will find a sympathetic audience when he says i dont know that these debates are adding anything to the table, im done with them. There have been so many and it just hasnt really moved the meter for him. Why would he bother . Yesterday trump warned of potentially bad things happening if he gets to the convention with the most delegates and is not nominated. I think well win before getting to the convention, but i can tell you if we didnt and if were 20 votes short or if were if were, you know, 100
short and were at 1,100 and somebody else is at 500 or 400, because were way ahead of everybody, i dont think you can say that we dont get it automatically. I think it would be i think you would have riots. I think youd have riots. I think bad things would happen. I really do. I believe it. I wouldnt lead it, but i think bad things would happen. Meanwhile donald trump is once again training his attacks on Hillary Clinton. Suggesting she is not tough enough to face russian president vladimir putin. He made his point in a new video posted to instagram with the caption, is this what we want for a president . [ barking ] [ laughter ] are you going to go scorched earth on Hillary Clinton . Are you going to get into all the personal stuff with her and her husband and the scandals . Are you going to do all that . I think id rather not say now, its a little bit early, i want to get it first. We had one little run in about two months ago and i helped bernie a lot because frankly her numbers came down very big after that, but that was my only real confrontation with her. Were going to see what happens, but whatever it is, it is, i will do what i have to do. So, you know, we were thinking that he might rest when he got off the campaign trail. He had a very busy day yesterday. Canceling debates, attacking Hillary Clinton, you name it. Talking about riots if hes not nominated. Once again driving the entire news day while, as mark said, he was lounging at home in his barcolounger. Hillary clinton in her speech tuesday night turned to look to donald trump, his was that Instagram Post that had her out barking. Which in context was really funny and real and
you mean what hillary did. Yeah. To answer bill oreillys request he is donald trump going to go personal on Hillary Clinton . Yes. Yes, he is and he introduce it had a month or so ago, he spent a week or so doing it, it tied the Clinton Campaign in knots, they didnt know how to answer, bill clinton had to deflect questions on rope lines. It will be interesting to see how they handle that stuff. Lying ted, little marco, low energy jeb and hes also, mark halperin, started we can expect a lot more of this, the low energy attack on Hillary Clinton as well. But you were commenting yesterday on don rickles, what about don rickles, you said we always wanted to know what a day off the campaign trail would look like for donald trump. It seemed he consumed media by doing four very provocative things that if any other candidate had done one of those provocative things it would have made headlines and filled up their basically news quota for
the week. He got dressed to do the bill oreilly video, but Everything Else he did, the video and morning shows by phone and twitter, just another show of how he can dominate a day without leaving manhattan or leaving trump tower. Monday will be a big day when he does that apac speech that hes doing instead of the debate because Hillary Clinton is speaking to the same group. While both of them are in nomination fights it will be a sidebyside comparison in a forum that you wouldnt think would necessarily play to his strength and im pretty can have it dent shes going to try to give a speech to frame the general election not just on issues related to israel but on the question of who is ready to be commander in chief. Its going to be fascinating to see what kind of speech he gives head to head. Yeah. Im looking ahead to the speech to apac but also how they respond, chris, to his speech. I havent ever heard him go incredibly deep on these issues. I dont know how he does a speech like that and kind of keeps it light and says believe me. I was talking to people in the campaign yesterday and they feel obviously pretty confident about this area at least of the competition where its more difficult is when you talk about this other stuff like the ad we just saw. If you are the Traditional Campaign and if you are us, people who have been through many campaigns and you can look ahead normally and you you can say, so what are going to be the areas of attack and you can pre prepare for what you think the areas of attack are going to be, with donald trump its almost impossible to calculate where he might go because he goes to places where people have never gone before and so its almost inevitable that they are going to find themselves back on their heels. So apac i think is a great opportunity for her because its an area where she feels incredibly competent, they feel that they are way ahead of him by miles and miles and miles, and they can sort of set the agenda. How many other times in this campaign have you seen anybody
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at villanova university. A chance to demand the stage after his dramatic win. Its a lot of fun, he covers a lot of ground and he lived up to that. Maybe i should tell you a little story. March madness. This wall street thing. Gangs. I dont mean this is some political gibberish here. The mailman and the mailmans wife. We went from the smaller tie ran sour russ rex to the big one, did you read the story about this . Student debt. Steelers tickets. Dont you like the protest . I love it. Thats where superman changed his clothes. Some dig god darn institution thats headquartered in new york. Ben and jerrys free for one whole year. I said, sir, youve lived here your whole light life. He said not yet. President nixon. Daddy, can you give us more snow days . I said why are you asking me . Because youre the governor,
john, dad. Life is simple when you keep it simple. Sincerely, john kasich. My colleague matt negrin put that together. Your bigger point was, though, and John Heilemann also said the same thing, he had a great opportunity yesterday out on the road by himself to make big headlines, grab Media Attention, but you suggested that the speech was unfocused and he didnt take his opportunity and he doesnt have a whole lot of chances to take that opportunity. The crowd loved him. I was surprised he didnt try to make a big point about the election to say im the governor of ohio, theres five candidates left in this race, i am the one who is ready to be president. He said it, but again, as you saw, a lot of his rhetoric was typical john kasich. Thats what hes like, thats his personality, but i was surprised. Only guy with a Campaign Event yesterday, big Battle Ground state, big moment and i wouldnt say necessarily he seized the moment. His speech after the ohio victory was also
a little rambling. It seemed to be unfocused given the time and the moment. He still has time but im not sure he took full advantage of it yesterday. Kristen soltis, for republicans that are looking for an establishment candidate the concern of john kasich has always been that hes not quite as focused a politician as he should be, right . I think theres a couple of concerns about john kasich. One, you have some folks who consider themselves very conservative who would prefer ted cruz over john kasich as the alternative to trump because he view things like his expansion of medicaid in the state of ohio as being an athema to obamacare. There are a lot of folks who view john kasich as as much of a nonstarter as they view donald trump. You have a lot of folks who are saying, look, he is the governor of ohio, thats a big state, at least forcing democrats to play defense in ohio would really be
powerful on the electoral map and frankly when i hear him talk about issues, things like gay rights, et cetera, i mean, he both has this kind of blue collar vibe to him, but also talks about some of these issues where i think republicans are, you know, struggling to adapt to the future in a way that i think could potentially be a path forward. So, you know, john kasich its going to be fascinating to watch because hes got these two factions of the nontrump party that hes going to be trying to go for, but i think the hard core conservatives may be lost to him. Are there enough of the Establishment Republicans who are never trump, who are not sort of warming to donald trump or going through the acceptance stage of grief at this point that he can piece together enough delegates to play in a contested convention. Coming up on morning joe its full speed ahead for Bernie Sanders, but after a surprisingly bad string of elections are there signs his campaign is losing steam . Well ask that question straight ahead on morning joe. I know how it is. Youre all set to book a flight using your Airline Credit card miles. And surprise those seats sometimes cost a ridiculous number of miles, making it really hard to book the flight you want. Luckily, theres a better way. With the capital one venture card. With venture, youll earn unlimited double miles on every purchase, every day. And when youre ready to travel, just book the flight you want, on any airline, then use your miles to cover the cost. Now youre getting somewhere. Whats in your wallet . Hey kevin. Hey, fancy seeing you here. Uh, i live right over there actually. Youve been to my place. No, i wasnt. Oh look, you dropped something. Its your resume with a 20 dollar bill taped to it. Thats weird. You want to work for ge too. Hahaha, what . Well were always looking for developers who are up for big world changing challenges like making planes, trains and hospitals run better. Why dont you check your new watch and tell me what time i should be there. Oh, i dont hire people. Im a developer. Im gonna need monday off. Again, not my call. And an Early Morning mode. Ode. And a partly sunny mode. And an outside. To clear inside mode. Transitions signature adaptive lenses now have chromea7 technology. Making them more responsive than ever to changing light. So life can look more vivid vibrant. Why settle for a lens with just one mode . Experience life well lit®. Upgrade your lenses to transitions® signature™. Visit your local visionwo and start living a life well lit with transitions® lenses. [alarm beeps] the intelligent, allnew audi a4 is here. Aint got time to make no apologies. Of course republicans dont like calling it a brokered convention, they have a much nicer name. From an rnc perspective we are going to prepare for all contingencies calling an open convention. I think its an open convention. We could have an open convention. Not brokered just like open, just like, honey, we dont have a broken marriage we have an
open marriage and i know we never discussed it, but it will spice things up to bring in an outsider and i think we will end up trusting each other even more. Oh, wow. Lets bring into the conversation author columnist and political analyst jeff greenfield, the New York Times political reporter alex burns and Steve Schmidt is back if us as well. All right. Alex, weve been talking about what the Republican Party is going to do. Based on your reporting obviously everybody is sort of dancing around each other now trying to figure out what the next move it. What are they hearing . They are caught between i dont want to say a rock and a hard place but this race has eluded a final definition and they are in this tricky middle zone where trump has not fully locked down the nomination, he hasnt totally put to rest about his concerns or anything close, but at the same time he is not so weak that its clear he could be stopped. We are in a week of hand ringing where folks are trying to
determine keg blocked from that 1,237 mark or is it worth doing if he gets close enough. Is it remarkable how as a republican establishingment, they just havent gotten trump from the beginning. Last week theyre sitting around saying were going to spin but nothing is ever coordinated, nothing seems to be organized and it seems like they have been keystone cops shooting at each other. He clearly it clearly bothers trump that he has been laughed at and dismissed and played down but in a way it has been the biggest gift to his campaign that he was not taken serious for months. If there had been an organized effort starting last july to drive a stake in this campaign it could have been a lot more difficult for him. But at this point after he has been indulged and validated its a little tough he has become part of the momentum. Jeff greenfield, it seems like that might have been the biggest offense in the stop Trump Movement is those who did not get where the people were and
his potential from the beginning. I think its two things. I think the second point is very valid, the idea that he was a joke, remember what jon stewart called him which we cant say on this air that he was a figure of fun and the fact that he was tapping into something that kind of people knew when the abstract was out there, this anger, this discontent, but the second thing is to some extent its a little like john mccains position in 08, there were so many people fighting for that other piece of the pie that mccain was able to win, what, South Carolina and florida and then the winner take all states with plurality, wrapped up the nomination. So i think its two things. I think its the bigger issue that he was speaking for a constituency that had no voice and the fact that, you know, the rest of them spent all their waking moments fighting each other. Steve schmidt, no republican, no conservative is going to want donald trump to be compared to Ronald Reagan, but alex hit on it, as did jeff, the one thing
they both have in common their greatest gift perhaps politically, the ability to be underrated, the ability to be mocked, the ability to be writ ku ridiculed, i remember 20 years ago reading an article about pat brown laughing at Ronald Reagan in 1966 all the way through the campaign and the last scene was iconic, pat brown goes up to the microphone after reagan whipped his ass and one of the most successful governors in california history, they said he just mumbled into the microphone and just stepped off the front of the stage and just stumbled through the crowd and walked out into the night. And that happened because reagan was seen as a joke, trump has snuck up on everybody because they played him as a joke. Presuming that donald trump is the republican nominee incredibly this will all start again. We will go back to square one where everybody will say donald trump has no capacity, no
ability, no chance to beat Hillary Clinton. David pluf actually you saw david pluf. I did. Saying that hes nervous. David is brilliant and i think he is an outlier here, but the conventional wisdom will be that he has no chance against Hillary Clinton, but go through this exercise, what state does ted cruz win that mitt romney and john mccain lost . There is not one. Not one. What state does john kasich win that mitt romney or john mccain lost. Ohio. Probably ohio. And marco rubio you might have been able to make the argument for florida, but of course he was resoundingly defeated by donald trump there. Donald trump puts michigan into play, puts ohio into play, puts pennsylvania into play, puts wisconsin into play. He puts all these states through the industrial midwest into play, he has the capacity to pick up democratic voters. Right. Union voters and he also has the capacity, i think, to attract africanamerican votes. I said this on the show not long
ago. People went nuts over it on twitter and then tavis smiley came out and said i think donald trump could do very well with africanamerican voters. I was surprised when al sharpton said the same thing, not well but do better. Of course, when you are only getting 5 of the africanamerican vote doing 10 to 15 is a game changer. So do you guys agree that trump changes the electoral map at least in industrial midwest. Absolutely. Of course he does. The point is its the unpredictability. Right. You can also see him bleeding suburban pennsylvanians outside of philly. Its just the fact that i think ive said it yesterday, im seeing billboards all over pennsylvania and ohio with Hillary Clintons quote were going to put a lot of coal miners out of work. And the point that you have raised and i raised yesterday do we think trump is going to let himself be called a mess oj nis without turning to Hillary Clinton and saying can we review that record i think. I think he changes the map in a lot of ways, maybe he brings in these states where hes
motivating the blue cal lar vote, puts in play states like georgia or minnesota where he is going to lose those upper income or middle income suburban white voters who have not voted for him at all in these primaries. Georgia is one of those states, we think of it as the deep south, but georgia is tipping closer and closer, the hispanic population is going up, the black population obviously pretty high for a southern state. Georgia does come into play. Arizona does come into play, states like new mexico and nevada that republicans would like to pick up. Those states come into play on the other side of it. And georgia the closest state in the 2012 election that was not heavily contested by either party was a single digit race even though we think of it as sort of in that same category as not quite alabama but certainly South Carolina where democrats, you know, give me a break. So on the democratic side Bernie Sanders is vowing to stay in the race for the democratic nomination despite Hillary Clintons clean sweep on tuesday. On a call with reporters yesterday sanders top
strategist said they still believe they can make up the delegate gap and pointed to upcoming contests where they believe they can start to do so. Meanwhile Campaign Manager jeff weaver also suggested that a sanders exit could actually hurt Hillary Clinton. He said if sanders were to drop out clinton could expect months and months and months of immediate and vicious and very personal attacks from trump. Hes going to get those anyway. Yeah. So, alex, Bernie Sanders finds himself in a position that say a guy like marco rubio didnt find himself. Marco had to win states, jeb had to win states to keep the money coming in. Bernie doesnt need to do that. Its a pretty extraordinary position for a protest candidate to be in that we can say at this point that hes going to be basically unlimited resources, i dont know that he shields Hillary Clinton from attacks from donald trump. What he does do is present her an opportunity if she chooses to take it to use him as a foil that makes herself look a little more moderate than she is. I agree completely. Joining us from now from sedona, arizona, kasie hunt. Kasie, you were on that call we mentioned. Whats the sanders strategy Going Forward . Hey, mika. Well, you guys touched on it right there, they think that the back half of this map favors them. They are not wrong in that all these western states, we are in arizona, youve got hide hoe, utah, Washington State late next week all voting and those are places where people are really excited by Bernie Sanders. They also feel like eventually were going to get to the point where theres basically one contest every week so the next big one like that is wisconsin. So thats a place where they feel like they can basically park Bernie Sanders, he can hang out there for, you know, full seven days if you listen to what they said about what happened on this past tuesday, its that, well, we didnt if we had given Bernie Sanders himself a little more time in missouri, a little more time in illinois we would have been able to push those over the edge, but, youre
right that the money is whats enabling this and as long as people are continuing to give him small amounts of money theres no telling, you know, when he might get out of this race. Really it comes down to the candidate himself, Bernie Sanders resents the idea that he should be pushed out of the race and the more the clinton people push those buttons i think thats why youre seeing them tread so carefully around him. Kasie hunt, thank you so much. I agree. If im Hillary Clinton, i love bernie to be the race just to try ang late. Listen, we love all of those things that bernie is talking about, thats fantastic, but then strike a more general election tone. She didnt get out of the race in 2008 until the end so she cant do anything credibly to push him out of the race. I think its good for america, it means more larry david on saturday night live for at least another couple another couple months here, but he has no chance to be the democratic nominee. Fanciful that his campaign would go out and say theres a route
to acquire the requisite number of delegates to be nominated at the convention. He is a protest candidate but hes shaping the direction of the Democratic Party in some fundamental ways and he keeps her pinned to the ideological left, hes moved her out of the center to the left over the course of the primary and i think in a way that will have consequences in the general election. I guess also financially Hillary Clinton would like to stop spending money right now and start repairing for the fall. Yeah, but i think thats probably true, but what im wondering is whether or not this is an opportunity that i think so far she hasnt taken. That is if shes in a formally contested battle for the nomination it gives her a chance between now and the convention to define herself in a way that maybe doesnt trap her into the ideological left. One thing that im curious about, with very few exceptions she hasnt drawn that sharp distinction. One of the few times she did is
when she wrapped Bernie Sanders about his naivety about castro. She was saying im not being careful here, you are just off base on this. When she says to him these proposals of yours cannot happen. Weve got to learn how to govern again for the sake of the people youre talking to, thats an argument thats easier to make if you have an opponent. Whether shell do it, i dont know. Especially if the two people that are surrounding her are Bernie Sanders on the left, donald trump on the whatever donald trump is, she can actually sound like the established responsible Foreign Policy and economic leader. The trick is established but not establishment. Right. If you look in those exit polls from these primaries on tuesday you do see that argument breaking through even in the states that were closest a considerably larger share of voters said that her ideas were realistic, havent said that about Bernie Sanders. Established but not establishment. I think somebody ought to take that credit. Alex burns, jeff greenfield, thank you very much. Still ahead a sea change for
sea world, ending their orca program. Plus a space age design from nike. Sara eisen joins us on set for business before the bell next. Jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive
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meeting yesterday. No change in policy, but is somewhat of a surprise on the note of caution that fed chair janet yellen sounded about the economy. It seems like the fed is really spooked by the Market Action that we saw in january, worst start to a year ever for the u. S. Stock market. She mentioned two big risks facing the u. S. Economy, the financial volatility, whats going on with stocks and bonds, and also the international developments. And this is sort of New Territory for the fed. Usually the fed just looks at the jobs picture in the u. S. And inflation, how fast Consumer Prices are rising and we have been seeing progress on both of those fronts, but they are worried about whats happening overseas and whats happening in the markets and as a result the fed is forecasting two interest race increases, which is the policy change that some investors are worried about, what that would do to the economy, back in december they were forecasting four. So cautionary and the markets celebrated yesterday, stocks went up because they like easy
money, they like the fed to be cautious, unclear in thats going to continue, it looks like theres some pressure on stocks this morning. Also in the headlines sea world making big changes. That i think god we had Steve Schmidt here. An orca expert. First the head line. Under political pressure and financial pressure sea world has announced today that it is no longer going to be breeding orcas. Of course, this is very controversial, it was really brought to public attention from black fish the documentary that happened in 2013. Weve also seen the financial pain, though, for sea world, its fortunes have been hit, the stock is down about 50 over the last two years. The public pressure is growing and today they made that announcement. Theyre going to phase out the entire theatrical show of orcas. Thats sort of their brand. Which the ceo writing in an l. A. Times op ed said the only reason there is so much Public Awareness is because of sea world and because they have attracted so many people to look at these orcas. Steve, you are a born again
tree hugger on this issue. Free willie. These arent just intelligent an shals theyre magnificent creatures and should not be held in captivity. This is a good thing that sea world has done today, they should not be bred into captivity. This is a good thing today. Thats what i was saying. What about nike, any is there any sea world or orca connection to the into nike story . Big tech story with nike finally unveiling these back to the future selflacing shoes which will be available to the masses later this year, we dont know the price, but there are two buttons i got to try them on yesterday, there is a plus sign and minus sign and it hugs your foot around it with the laces. Was it comfortable. It was comfortable although i was a size 5 1 2 womens and they were mens so it was big on me, but they are making a big
leap here in terms of technology. Is it going to be a game changer for nike like fly net was which has been essential to their process and product. We are not going to have had to do anything for ourselves ever. Americans get lazier and lazier. We are waiting for the selfeating pot pie. How does that work . Dont make me laugh. I dont know. We shall see. Sara, thank you so much. Up next, march madness gets under way today which means you just have a few hours to finish your bracket, but does the massive popularity of a College Sports mask a very dark side to the ncaa . We will dig into that when morning joe comes right back. Is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student . Is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the Natural World . Whatever your definition of success is,
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mike krzyzewski. The chief of staff to the head coach at clemson has a 250,000 salary. Theres so much money in the system that the schools and these athletic programs dont know what to do with it and what they ought to do with it is give it to the players. Joe, how does this institution, the ncaa which is so powerful, continue to pros p err prosper . A culture got established by a guy named walter beyers. He did change his mind after he left. Its a culture thats rules bound, lacks compassion and lacks common sense and nobody has been able to change that culture, nobody has even really tried. So they will have you know, the kansas kid this year, he is ineligible for how long, nobody knows why and then suddenly one
day hes eligible because theres heat. Theres no rhyme or reason to what they do and for how it operates. And how much money do they make . We talked about the 13 billion, ive seen this before, kid comes to alabama, he plays, he is a hero for three years, his shirt sells, they make millions and millions of dollars off of him, millions, then the senior season his leg snaps in half and hes pumping gas or working at bagging groceries at the pigly wiggly for the rest of his wife. Tell you a guy from alabama by the time of tyrone prothrow. I was at the game when his leg snapped in half. A couple weeks before he had made this incredible touchdown catch it was voted the pontiac game changer so pontiac gave money to the school. Great. For this great play. Tyrone doesnt get any of this money. After he graduates, after he breaks his leg, decides to write a book and he goes to the
university of alabama and says can i have some photos to use in my book and they said, sure, ten bucks each. Are you kidding me . Where is that pontiac life changing moment . 10 bucks each and not only that he has had seven, eight, nine, ten leg surgeries and at this point alabama has said we are not going to pay for another one. And the pontiac game changer performance is the idea that players make money on individual plays for their school. So the dichotomy between, you know, an individual player earning money for his play, you know, directly for his play versus what he cant do for himself is sort of staggering. And that money of course goes to the school, they dont get any of it. Let me ask the both of you, why havent more coaches spoken up about the outrages and the excesses and the hypocrisy of the ncaa . The reason is that theyre part of the system. That is. Nobody has had the nerve until
bill self at kansas this year to stand up and say, this is wrong. They are afraid, historically they have been terrified of the ncaa. List or kplee the ncaa has been a very vengeful organization that will go after people that criticize it. They did with jerry tar cane yan back in the day that led to a Supreme Court case. Plus a lot of these coaches they want the kids in the dummy classes because they want them to remain eligible and the dummy classes are often held at the time when there is no practice. Shane battie the fine Basketball Player he told me once he was a religion major because religion was the only serious subject he could major in that didnt interfere with practice. With schedule. With practice. You ask about coaches, there is a basketball coach at lsu in the 80s and 90s, perhaps more than anybody he tried to speak out dale brown. Dale brown is his name. Speak out against some of these injustices that he saw. There was a kid on his team who was dying of cancer and there were a couple of players that wanted to go to a fundraiser for his family. The ncaa said no. So he brings them into his office, he shuts the blinds and gives them an envelope full of cash so they can go and visit their dying teammate and dale brown because he discussed some of the things that are wrong with the ncaa was investigated for 15 years of his career. At every turn the ncaa asked his players what is dale doing, how is he breaking the rules . So thats what happens when you sort of cross the system. The book indentured the inside story of the rebellion against the ncaa is out now. Great book, guys. Thank you so much. Thank you guys. These are the hands that build the machines, the machines that sort, stack and seal. These are the hands
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