This is good news, people. Wait wait wait. Did he wbr id wbr357 just wink . Lets see that again in wbr id wbr557 slow motion. b what . Wait, wait a second. Hold on a second. Didnt he just realize he lost a historic election . Both house by historic margins . Even his own party was deserting him. Doesnt obama know he wont get anything done these last two years . Oh he doesnt give a [ bleep ]. You know thats really okay. Pretty much it. No its not. Stop. I was sitting there with like 187degree temperature. I didnt know it could go that high. I didnt either. Ron forter had that great tweet. In the state of the union, he was really really good right this. Yes. Incredible performance. Yes. But its kind of like one of those hollywood stars who do an incredible performance and then walk on the street oh, wait a second they cant lift those huge hammers and get lightning from the sky. In the words of john lennon it was all showbiz. Im not being negative but he cant do anything. Thats the thing, the day after, hey, hey boy, this is a great barack obama. Literally he can do no more i mean thats whats liberating about it. No. All of this talk no its not. No, if you cant do anything thats not liberating. What you do is you say, okay lets make deals. What if you make the calculation that you can. What if you look back on the previous six years and look at the Republican Party the Democratic Party, im not going to say this publicly but theres no Common Ground are between the two of us. Thats not true. I think thats essentially the calculation that he made right after the election. That is a defeatist thinking that has surrounded this white house for oh, we cant do anything. Because republicans just we cant do anything. If he had said i stead, richard, maybe im crazy, hey, i tell you what we can debate that. I am crazy. If the president said, listen heres the deal i want to get people that work hard 10 an hour minimum wage you want a pipeline. Now, instead of just saying its a pipeline forget it. When, of course canada and everybody else says its really good deal and its going to create jobs and lots of money and stimulate growth for two or three years, its not bad. Republicans might go we wont give you 10 but well give you 9. Theres always a defeatist thinking. Its either black or white, yes or no, im right, youre wrong. This is the state of the union that should have been given a year from now. This is the january 2016 state of the union. Then you can do i was right, you were wrong. By then the window for governing would have closed. We all know this is the last year that window remains open. And whether its Corporate Tax reform infrastructure modernization, trade, there were things he could have put on the table very solid me had another year before he basically played 2016. I thought he missed that opportunity. You know what he did . He played to his ego, he played to his base he played to everybody in the white house that has told him a lot of them are friends those republicans are just bad. Mika, you really see the difference between a politician who spends his entire life surrounded by his own type whether its democrats around democrats, republicans versus a Ronald Reagan who had to deal with democrats in california or a bill clinton who had to deal with republicans and conservatives in arkansas. I dont know what state of the union you were watching, but i saw a very positive tone to it. I really did. And this was you know obviously the audience was for the first time, you know republican he had a tough audience. And i thought he put it out there in a positive way saying wbr id wbr3126 we can try and do this without being too confrontational about certain specific issues which you know they would just cease upon and the next day chatter about until everything is dead. The door is now open. If you watch John Boehners body language if you look at the lack of applause. Republicans really took it as a very confrontational state wbr id wbr3326 of the union. Listen heres fever was just about to break. I might have been delirious. You were hallucinating. Like right now im thinking that were going to have a straight down the middle conversation. Mika, the i think at the end of the day if you look at what the president said and you look at issue after issue after issue, it was democratic talking points. He was playing even democrats said, hey, he is setting up the b 2016 election. Thats all i heard that day yesterday, hey, hes setting up the 2016 you know what . We still have a year or two of governing to do. Then you can set up like richard said, the 2016 election. Think hopes for bipartisan ship willie, it seems to me deflated like a football. How about that segue . Good segue. But first, this has been their posture since the midterm elections. On Immigration Reform Community College, normalizing relations with cuba. Hes going to put out what he thinks is best. The other night on the tax code hes going to put out his ideal and force republicans to say, no, i dont think people should go to Community College for free. I dont think people should be deported. I dont think there should be a tax hike on the rich. Hes putting them the position of having to go against these things. Whether or not thats productive to make those things happen you can debate about but hes putting out his ideal at this point because i dont think he thinks over the next two years its going to happen. I think this is going to be good for him. Yeah. I think hes numbers are going to keep going up. If you look at what hes done on cuba, for instance the overwhelming majority of americans support what he did on cuba. If you look at what he did on the immigration, executive order, the majority of americans support that. Now, they dont support a pathway to citizenship if you look at the latest nbc poll but they support what hes doing and i think most americans will look at that and the people that swing back and forth, and i think his numbers will actually go up. Im just talking about getting big deals done. Oh rhine ohwell get that sound bite for you on the next discussion on this because we need to move on. Some republicans saw some things in the speech that they thought they could work with. Paul ryan was one of them. It made news because he heard, you know he didnt hear just a liberal agenda there. He heard something he could work with. I thought there were one or two things they could work with. Im just talking the overall picture. Again, im a lot more optimistic than most people after this election. I really thought a lot of things were going to get done the next two years. Maybe they will. That wasnt the speech that most people would have given. Im right, youre wrong. Ive been right, youve been wrong is not usually the pathway to compromise. One quick point on that also if you think of atmospherically what democrats would wanted from republicans, at least rhetorically theyve gotten since the election. Mcconnell boehner talking sensibly about areas where they might compromise. They know they have to govern. The moment they say, hey, were gilling ing willing to govern mika is that not a nice change, the republicans are actually, for the most part acting responsibly. I think so. I saw no one set their hair on fire. Did you watch every single republican response . Can you honestly say that . Well, i didnt see everyone. There were like 85. There were 85. I missed the ted nugent response. Okay. By the way, thats a good sign, that things are changing in the Republican Party. Ted nugent was not the guest of honor with guns strapped on him. Fantastic. Okay. Good songs. Lets go back to your deflated segue. Were not seeing ted nugent in the audience sort of left me with a deflated feel. There you go. I dont think we can show the cover of the New York Post. Decide while i read this. Let me decide. Joe, joe. Ill just read it real quick. I havent seen it. Lets read the story. No we shouldnt put that up. Still investigating claims game balls used sunday were underinflated by the team and whether or not it was intentional. Ron mott has the latest. Reporter espn citing Anonymous Sources reports that the nfl found 11 of 12 game balls used by the new England Patriots were underinflated which can make the balls easier to throw and catch, especially in the rain, as was the case in sundays victory. The controversy over deflate gate as its called on social Media Centers on whether the patriots tampered with their footballs after they were inspected by the referee. I think its possible that the curtain has been pulled back here on a whole series of things that go on behind the scenes that no one was really aware of. Reporter according to league rules two hours before the game 12 balls from each team are checked by officials, measured and weighed to meet league specs and marked with the refs signature. Ten minutes before the game they are given to ball runners on the sideline. How can it happen . Just a few seconds they the carry a small pump needle like this and release two or three pounds of pressure enough, some say, to gain an edge even if its barely noticeable. Nfl rule s do not govern access to footballs during games but stipulate, if any individual alters the footballs, they face discipline including fines. I believe the loss of draft picks might be in play. I believe a suspension for the head coach might be in play depending on what kind of proof they have and even what kind of chain of custody they have on these stupid footballs. Theyve come this far. Theyve played good football. Why would they want to jeopardize it. Theyre cheaters. They should be punished for it. Reporter the patriots and coach Bill Belichick were heavily fined for spygate in 2007. Videotaping an opponents signals during the game. The patriots push the boundaries of the rules constantly. Most of the team theyre within the realm of whats acceptable. This time it appears theyve gone outside it. Reporter while some colts players tweeted they would be happy to replace them in the super bowl duane allen said they could have played with soap and beat us. Thank you, duane allen. Seriously. No, im serious. No thats all class. It really is. The colts have i think most part been classy, you could have played with soap and beaten us. For people who dont really understand it. You know quarterback played in the north, i mean its ice. When its cold, those balls are like rocks. You deflate it you can actually grip it. Right. So the question is should there be some punishment leading up into the super bowl . Thats not going to happen. Theyre not going to suspend belichick. So theyre going to get a fine. They say of 25 grand, Something Like that, take awe way a draft pick. I would take away their first draft pick that will hurt. Mike, this is obviously playing huge up in boston. What do you think . What should happen here . Hey, mike do you love Bill Belichick as much as i love Bill Belichick . A lot of these coach rest paranoid to a certain level. If people knew the extent of their paranoia about football and about winning games and gaining an edge i think a lot of people would be shocked. The patriots have already lost. They have priors. In the publics mind and the Public Relations aspect of it the patriots already loses. Id like to find out what happened and i think well find out later today what happened. And i would assume that if the patriots are found culpable of deflating the balls in the first half of the game not the second half of the game when the balls are exposed, then theyll suffer a severe penalty because of their priors. 457 it was a 38point game. Obviously the balls didnt make the difference in the game. But cheating is cheating and youve got to punish it. Not only that willie if you check the stats of the game tom brady, the patriots quarterback, had a much better second half after they found out about the balls than he did the first half. Okay. Just why does each team provide their own footballs . Thats stupid. That is the stupid part of it. Opening the door to cheating. How about the nfl provides the footballs. It seemed to me in high school, when i played willie i thought the other team when we were in florida, i thought the other team actually provided the balls. There will be some kind of reform where these things will be held under custody, shall we say. Deflation. What . Yesterday, europeans here we go. Q and a speech. Hes not doing it. Hes really going to okay. We have a lot to talk about. You saw Hillary Clinton yesterday. She was in canada in winnipeg speaking at the chamber of commerce and she channeled her inner Vladimir Putin and did an imitation. Take a look. If for some reason you decided to be leader of the United States or actually run for that because there is process. There is a process. You got elected. People said, you know what you can imagine the conversation with putin. He was Prime Minister after president. Vladimir vladimir, do you think you would like to be president again . I think i would, actually. Why dont we just go announce it. Well tell dmitri he can be Prime Minister. Actually. Yes. We have a process, yes. Thats bill clinton. I think she needs to talk to a marriage counselor because she actually sees her husband as vladimir. That was the worst Vladimir Putin. There was the best bill clinton. A lot going on overseas. Lets go to this violent protest in yemen which has reportedly simmering at least for now. Shiite rebels struck a deal with the countrys president late yesterday after storming his residents and holding him captive there. The agreement ends with local officials have labeled an attempted coup. They will amend to yemens constitution and give the rebels more representation in parliament. Four months ago as the Washington Post points out, president obama was holding up yemen as a Success Story in the fight against terror. The president said quote, the strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one that we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years. And here we are. You haddon nald rumsfeld saying a few things he wish he could have gotten back about iraq. There is just chapter and verse of the the president has keeps providing these quotes that keeps suggesting he may either be out of touch with the war on terror or he may just wish it didnt exist. You dont want to make comments that are confident and predictions about any middle eastern state. Look, weve got four countries in the middle east essentially failed states. Three for sure. Syria, libya, yemen. Iraq arguably fourth. This one was not our doing unlike the other three. Youve got a country roughity the size of saudi arabia on the brink of failure, totally infiltrated by terrorist groups. Weve lost essentially any sort of a partner in the global effort against terrorism here. This is a serious piece of bad news. Jim republicans obviously bring this up Foreign Policy analysts as well. The president says isis is jv and then, well, you can put kobe bryant in a jv uniform but still jv player. All this while they are actually gaining ground in syria despite bombing runs. This president , does he just wish terrorism. Didnt exist . Is he trying to pish it away . Its certainly the fairest critique of that speech is how much he diminished the lingering threat, the idea that syria, the idea that yemen imly curious, why does he keep saying that . I mean democrats, independents republicans would say, thats just not connected with reality. Im serious here. Dangerous politics. What is the purpose of it . Why does he do that . I think, my guess is and i dont know definitively whats in his head but i think his reasoning would be hes trying to say that weve had lots of success in afghanistan and iraq and my overall approach to fight terrorism and dealing with the threats works by putting these things in manageable boxes. The problem with that is theres lots of evidence it doesnt work. Your point, dont ever declare, no president should ever declare any success in afghanistan, iraq syria, yemen, libya again. Willie, no mission accomplished. No more mission accomplished. Richard, how dangerous is yemen to the United States . How close is it or can it be to syria which is to say a place we thought we might be able to make partners to fight terrorism and now its not clear who that partner would be and we see people coming out of there and coming back to europe. The one you just suggested, as a base from which people would return. The other is a base against other middle eastern states. When sighsisis changed its name to islamic state, the goal was to reform the region. This is where they can go after saudi arabia which is ultimately the crown jewel. The question of why the president keeps doing this look at the beginning of the state of the union, what was his first foreign point . Troops coming home from afghanistan. Its what weve been able to stop doing and bring troops back home from iraq and afghanistan. I think the administration is putting too much emphasis on that and not enough on conditions in the region. Mike, you look at the last two president s and their ideology has just had disastrous impacts for u. S. Foreign policy. George w. Bush thinking he was going to export democracy to all four corners of the globe. Look what happened. It was just an absolute nightmare that we continue to pay for todayed. And then barack obama making Campaign Promises he was going to bring everybody home. Both of them continued down their path regardless of the realities that stared them squarely in the face. Were all paying for it. Troops, especially, are paying for it. The world is paying for it. Well, unless you get very little mention of terrorism in the state of the union speech the other evening, joe. There are no Success Stories here, no matter what they might parrot about our success in quotes in afghanistan, there are no Success Stories. There are no Success Stories in the middle east. Thus, why talk about it . Because you dont you cannot control the future. You dont even know what the future is in the middle east. By the future im mean next week, next month, theres no defining it. Still ahead on mnl, david will be here. Former Obama Campaign manager and white house adviser is now an executive for uber. Weve got questions for him. Were going to hear his strategy. Plus former governor, tim pawlenty and bill gates and christi noem will join us. Up next kevin hart has a surprise for 500 of his biggest fans. Well tell you what that is. Youre watching morning joe. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income. So i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. Transamerica. Health can change in a minute. So cvs health is changing healthcare. Making it more accessible and affordable with over 900 locations for walkin medical care. And more on the way. Minuteclinic. 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Fire was so large it was clearly visible on the west side of the new york city just across the hudson. It was contained but not until late last night. Nearby schools closed today after officials declared a local state of emergency. The cause of the inferno remains under investigation. I stepped out of my apartment this morning, all i could smell was that fire. Youre kidding . New york city. That was across the river in new jersey. Massive. Thats incredible. The Los Angeles Times in mexico, a drone carrying over six pounds of methamphetamine crashed into a supermarket parking lot. I told you, willie i couldnt control those things. We did the dry run and you blew it. When you put the actual meth there, meth responds differently to winds and dusts and the baking powder. Gets the jitters when you can get the real thing. A lot of money, controlling with the joy sticks. Boom, i know. Where is your drone . Its in a supermarket. No, its in a tree if your backyard still there. Using remote aircraft to smuggle drugs across the border is apparently not rare. Theyve even earned the nickname blind mules. They t. Latest incident is under investigation. Time magazine ak47 rifle soon will be manufactured in the United States. American gun company rwc will manufacturer the rifles domestically after u. S. Imposed sanctions against russia prevented the weapons from being imported. Ak47s have been manufactured by the russia company. They will open a new factory to produce the weapons. The telegaffe, king tuts golden burial mask was irreversibly damaged after a botched repair job at the Egyptian Museum in cairo. Thats not good. Oh, no. Museum employees say the beard snapped off. Oh, dude. During a cleaning attempt back in october in a rush to get the popular exhibit back on display. Epoxy was used to reattach the piece. The hasty epoxy job leaked into the face of the mask and dried, leaving a visible gap. Holy cow, who is this guy . Sounds like contractor you know. The mask was also scratched in an attempt to fix the mistake locating king tuts tomb in 1922 is considered one of historys greatest discoveryies. And they decide to let it get repaired by cheech and chong . What is going on here . Cant you see, drops it looks around. Gets out the gorilla glue and starts filling it in . Wow. Thats terrible. All right. The toledo blade. Kevin hart purchased 500 tickets for fans to see his new movie the wedding ringer for free. Fans and Movie Theaters and staff in ohio learned of the news when hart posted several messages on twitter. He said he bought them as a thank you for fans to buying tickets to his soldout standup performance there. He spent 5,000 on the promotion. This guy sells out stadium, 50,000, he is hes as big as hes huge. I think hes got 15 or 16 million twitter followers. As big a comedian as there is in the world now. Crazy. Coming up one of the countrys most interesting mayors. 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The United States is one of the few places where actually exceeding forecasts. What this tells you is the entire world is the biggest flet is not inflation, its deflation. This is going to have economic consequence. Also political consequences. The reason were seeing the rise of the right throughout places like europe is because the economies arent growing. So the debates were having here are nothing compared to the debates over there and the challenges they face. He could find a segue to everything. Seriously . I like the New York Post take on it. Joe, come on now. Lets get to our next guest. Thank you, richard, for that. Thank you. Joining us now the mayor of San Francisco, democrat ed lee who announced in november he will seek a second term in office. We have actually his spot that he put on thats really creating waves. We want to take a look at that together. Should we roll it now . Right now. Roll it. Okay. Wow. All right. Yeah. You went there. I mean you went you said, its hammer time and im going to get m. C. Hammer to do my reelection ad. Im just wondering, who came up with that like you guys were sitting around you said we can do it about light rail we can do it about bringing the kids together. Now, i got a better idea lets get m. C. Hammer. Whose idea was that mr. Mayor. Good morning, joe, mika willie. Thank you for having me here. You know it wasnt part of our official campaign. It was done by people who wanted to just boost me up and they did it on their own. But i was glad when i saw it i was just laughing and the kids all around the city were getting into the dance and it was very moving. Wow. Wow. I guess it worked for you, right . Well, it did. And i think the message worked. We are on our way to really get out of this recession and thats why im here in washington, d. C. Im joining the other mayors, hundreds of mayors across the country to compare notes, to get the best practices and San Francisco is hot these days both real estate business small businesses, and we got a lot of challenges but were at a good point and im very excited to be the mayor of San Francisco. Okay. Were going to get to some of our must read opinion pages in this segment. Well start with the New York Times. Nick crossoff has this piece called reagan obama, and inequality. Since the end of the 1970s something has gone profoundly wrong in america. Inequality has soared. Thats the context for obamas call, in his state of the Union Address, for greater economic fairness. But first, the caveats. His proposals are dead on ash rival in congress. Remember the 2014 state of the Union Address . Of course not. Of 18 proposals in it there were action on 2 according to pbs yet the bully pulpit can still shape the National Agenda and nag at the american conscience. I dont fully agree with obamas solutions but he is exactly right in the way he framed the inequality issue. Will we accept an economy where only a few of us do spectacularly well . The question is how to solve that. Mayor lee, i think this is a good question to put to you given what you just talked about in your city. Youre right, it has exploded in the last decade and a lot of people in that town have become very rich off the technologies, startups in silicon valley. A lot of people have been left behind. Real estate prices have skyrocketed. How do you make sure in a city like yours thats moving so quickly that everybody is swept up in the success of your town . Thats absolutely right. First of all, let me applaud president obama because i think middle class economics is the way it should be done. And the things that he talked about were strongly encouraging. Thats exactly what weve been doing. Weve been concentrating our now new found wealth in replowing that into our infrastructure. You will see transportation education investments at historic highs. This is why we have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. 4. 4 in San Francisco. And we worked very hard to make sure that we had a strong economic foundation. Now having said that it is expensive. I recognize that. Thats why housing a one of the most challenging things right now in San Francisco. And im aggressively looking at building 30,000 units of housing, middle income housing, lowincome housing, in San Francisco the next five years. We did so 4,000 units were built last year. That was double what we did the Previous Year and triple. So were on our way to using the wealth that were having and applying that right in to help people share in this prosperity. Mr. Mayor, congratulations. Hammer time in San Francisco. Richard, i want to read you a sentence or two from wall street journals editorial right this morning. Better politics or not. President obama ended the state of the Union Address for appeal for better pol sticks which we debate without demonizing each other. On the next day he only hours after activists disrupted the proceedings to protest. Oh please chief justice john roberts growled amid the commotion. This was also a reaction to mr. Obamas statement only hours after he side with the protesters. Were not among those who think that Supreme Court is above criticism, though president s usually have better manners when addressing a coequal branch of government. This president has been wait i dont know. I mean i guess since fdr, theres not been a president thats been as confrontational with the Supreme Court as this one. That is an edgy relationship or lack of one right now. I think its mutual, shall we say. Supreme court increasingly doesnt show up at the state of the i dont know i dont know. This spring though theres going to be massive issues that theyre going to be deciding that everything from day marriage to the relationship by the way, between the president and the congress and who controls the Foreign Policy power. We were just talking though about the state of the union. One thing he might have done at the beginning of the speech was the stuff he put in at the end, why didnt he begin with that . It would have been a very different approach if he had begun acknowledging the changes in the country being gracious and generous about it and saying, hey, i look forward to working with you and putting out a different tone. By beginning with the confront confrontational stuff it changed the color of the mood very much from the getgo. Liberals wouldnt like that. The progressive base wouldnt like that. Richard is talking about the realities that were facing the president. The realities are, he got hammered in 2010 and 2014. He won obviously in 8 and 12 but the most recent election given republicans the most seats in the house of representatives. Some say since 29. I think its more like since 49. And the question is why dont you face that reality headon . Why dont you face reality that your party has lost almost 1,000 legislate tive seats nationwide on the state level as well. Say, we are a 50 50 country. Just like i said in 2004. And theres not a red state america, theres not a blue state america. Theres one america. Lets move forward from there. Boy, that would have i think, might have been a better way forward. Im just saying im not a speech writer, but hey. Coming up fshs he was an architect of Barack Obamas 2008 president ial campaign. But will that playbook work at uber . David plouffe. Great to have you on the show. Weve got questions about uber. David plouffe joins us next on morning joe. They challenge us. 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David, thank you for being with us. We need to ask you about the president s state of the Union Address. You heard us talking about it. How do you think he did . Im retired as politics but its a casual observer, i thought it was a very strong speech. I think the economy is turning around. I think the president laid out a lot of ideas, whether its on strid, whether its on infra infrastructure, whether its technology, education. Hopefully things that washington will Work Together on. I think it will be good for both baert parties to put down the swords and try and find Common Ground. Sounds great. David, i think youre the only person youre not a casual observer. A president in washington you see has been in the frying pan. You know what im going to do . What . Im going the jump directly into the pan. Youve got your hands full. Why didnt you go work for Major League Baseball or the nfl like these places that have no controversy. Willie has a question. Good morning. You are the Senior Vice President and policy for uber. I use uber all the time. Its a great innovation. Its changed the way we move around in the city and others. Youve also had your challenges and theres a reason they brought you on to confront some of these things. Price gounling is one and safety of passengers is another. Weve seen some isolated incidents where there have been sexual assaults, things like that. How do you respond to people who say youve grown so fast its a little bit out of control and you need to figure some of these out . I think you obviously constantly need to innovate. I think on safety from every ride being tracked so that when there are incidents, we are able to cooperate with the police to make sure those people are held accountable. To the Rating System every ride is rated. To background checks best in class, you know, zero tolerance on dui, insurance on every ride. You know cutting down on dui and distracted driving. We have a study coming out today, an economic study, first real look at the drivers. Its important, too, willie we glad you use uber thank you. Its not just how people are moving around cities. Its becoming one of the biggest economic engines in cities. Ed lee was just on from San Francisco. We have over 10,000 driver partners there. Almost 20 now in chicago. 11,000 here in washington. So its a fascinating look at who these drivers are. And they desire flexibility, they desire income opportunity. David . Whats interesting is willie uses uber. Hes come to the right show. Willie uses uber and your butler and your driver uses uber as well. Right . For willie to use it i think it makes perfect sense. I think there are some issues of safety. Im not sure i would want my daughters using uber. And i want you to tell me why im wrong. But it just seems like unless i dont have the process down. It seems like you text the people. They come to you. They have your number. Whats the background checks on them . What makes this better than hailing a cab . Its a lot better than hailing a cab. Thats one of the reasons the business is growing so much and rider pace is growing so up ask people do feel safe using it. Every riders sevenyear background check, federal, county, state. Zero tolerance on dui and Motor Vehicle violations. By the way, we reject every day people who want to drive on uber platform. Many who might have sdrif ven for taxi for instance. Every ride the gps tracked. Youre able to write your driver. Tinge scale of the business speaks for itself. People feel comfortable using this. This is something where we do think its the safest way to get around the city. Weve got a lot of bright people in the engineering product part of our company wh who are going to spend more time thinking about additional innovations because we want to do everything we can to make sure it is the safest ride. I think the fact that every ride is tracked, every driver is background checked, every ride has insurance. I think theres been a lot of misinformation out there. We now have 22 municipalities or states in the u. S. Who pass ride sharing regulations and they en enshrine these things in the law. I think thats going to raise the whole industry. David can you dissect the problem that youre on the show to help solve, which is it does seem like a huge pr problem for uber and its now having economic consequences with the reaction in europe and other places. Why . Why do you think your company has a bigger pr issue than the other Tech Companies that are hot and given these huge valuations and doing big innovations . First of all, jim, the business is growing spectacularly well. The driver partner base in december alone, 40,000 new driver partners here in the u. S. Huge numbers. Over the next coming years uber will become one of the chief drivers in economies in these cities. People are attracted to the platform. We had some stumbles. You have to learn from those. What we need to do is basically do a good job of talking about the good were bringing to cities. Definitely safer. Were reducing duis. Creating a lot of great income opportunities. We are serving underserved areas who had a hard time getting taxi service historically. Were bringing a lot of people to small businesses. Theres a lot of good thats coming in these cities. Particularly as we look at a product like uber pool a carpooling service we have now in San Francisco, new york and in paris, thats going to be remarkable because it means were going to get cars off the road and reduce imemissions. I want to speak to two things. One is an issue that jim just raised group find in city after city boston and new york you have all of these cab drivers. They pay a lot for their medallions and uber presents a real threat to them. Now, i would prefer uber. I have the app on my phone because its a far preferable than stepping into the back of a barn. Some of the cabs snell smell like the back of the barn. The point that mika raised mika, i would tell you that uber is a lifesaver for young people. Really . Its safe. You can track you can track where theyre picked up. They can track where the car is going. Is plouffe paying him . If you have a young kid, not young kid, young adults friday saturday night, go out drinking. Call uber. You know theyre going to get home safely. David, thank you for allowing me to take care of your job. Appreciate that. Im embarrassed. My god. Its real. I thought you were better than this david. Well, no mike just captured what i was talking about. I think a lot of cities no in a lot of cities you hail a cab, get into it, anonymous. Every ride is tracked here. I think thats important. Thats why i think so many young people young women, feel safe using it. I think, mike, to your point about taxi drivers. An economic Study Released today done by alan krueger, he is now at princeton, looks at that phenomenon. You have a lot of taxi drivers we partner with taxis in some cities. They may drive taxi for seven or eight hours and get on the uber platform. Thats whats remarkable. People are in absolute control of their engagement with the ub irplatform. They turn on their car turn on the app, they decide how long to drive, how much money they want to make that day. Theyve got no boss telling them when to work how long to work. Its all up to them. I think a lot of taxi drivers find that completely different than the system theyve been in previously. David plouffe, thank you. Senior Vice President product and strategy and manager of Uber David Plouffe and chief communications officer, mike barnicle. How much do you think barnicle got paid to do that . A lot. Talk about pay to play. Coming up a plan to turn sewage into drinkable water. Youre talking about my old home in mississippi. 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Boom, boom, boom, rapid fire. We have a panel of experts here on yemen, on iran on Chris Christie, more news on Chris Christie. Oh, yes. And jeb and mitt are they meeting . Whats that . A secret meeting. What . And then you know you got bb coming to the United States. Paul ryan agreeing with the president . Not to see the president. Were asking around the table, how much does he hate barack obama . Like this is the worst relationship. On a scale of . And then weve got this willie, about the pats flat balls. Were going to talk about that. Weve got a lot coming up in just a couple of minutes. Well be right back. What are you saying . Push your enterprise and you can move the world. But to get from the old way to the new youll need the right it infrastructure. From a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. Hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. And stay ready for everything that is still to come. Ive been called a control freak. 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I was just telling you, you know, cut from what you said an hour ago, there are some republicans who found it were inspiring and even saw some good ideas in his speech and are willing to work with the president in light of his state of the union. Paul ryan, thank you. Paul ryan man, talk about digging digging down in the manure to look for the pony. Thats exactly what he was doing there. Reminds me of what . Ronald reagan story. Theres a pony in there somewhere. Yeah. Theres a pony in there somewhere. Well get to that. Sister margaret told me in. Ninth grade. Two prisoners look out beyond bars. One saw mud, the other stars. Welcome back to morning joe. Willie quickly, i want to do some rapid fire stuff because youve got Chris Christie, hes going to be headlining an event in iowa this weekend. Both jeb and mitt are not going to because its host steve king. Toxic by the republican establishment. But in Chris Christie is the iowa congressman getting a candidate who is a political equivalent of what bruce willis was like the sixth sense, a man who is dead but doesnt know it yet . What . Harsh, but is this guy jim, thats what this show is about. I dont think thats the case. But you talk to people in the Republican Party and they say Chris Christie is already politically dead. That this is for his ego or this is for some other reason. Or he Still Believes it. Since everybody is say this off camera lets talk about it on camera. I dont believe it. But thats what the establishment types are saying. Is that fair . I think it is. At best hes a live man stumbling. If you look at the finances of his state, if you look at his poll numbers, if you look at the donors who used to be attracted to him i think they find jeb bush more attractive right now. Its hard to see where his opening is. The steve king crowd is not going to love Chris Christie. Hes too moderate for him. For moderates, they will prefer jeb bush who looks like hes definitely . Credit downgrades hes upsidedown in new jersey and latest quinn by estst quinnipiac poll that came out yesterday. Richard, hes proclaiming the country thats been the model success for his antiterror campaign has been yemen, just four months after that pronouncement, does yemen once again expose Barack Obamas dangerously out of touch with the realities on the ground in the war against terror . Yemen is a failed state. Its a state thats as large as saudi arabia. 25 30 million people. A threat to its. Its a threat to us and europe. Its a threat to its neighbors. The president should stop making predictions about the tra jethtory of any state in the middle east. Its a failed state. This is the 30 years war. This part of the world is going to be in turmoil not just for the rest of this presidency but for presidencies to come. Hey, while were talking about Foreign Policy. Israel coming to speak again. This if im not mistaken, this guy is going to have talked in in the well of the house more than i did special orders speaking to hes got a little humor. This is a remarkable story. The white house did not know about this invitation from john boehner, the speaker of the house, to b. B. Netanyahu. The white house is reportedly furious about this. And it says john boehner doesnt have a lot of respect for the president doing this. But what about netanyahu willing to go along with this without consulting the west wing . B. B. Has an election in mid march. This is part of the runup to that. Second of all he has an america strategy, congress not the white house. He has written off cooperation with this administration. He is basically decided to forge and run with the congress. Mike, quickly, obviously also something that were covering today, the pats. Patriots the pats flat balls as Abraham Lincoln called it when this controversy was brewing in the 19th century. Richard nixon, he knows hes going to beat mcgovern. He wins 49 states. Why break into the watergate . Weve got the same thing here with belichick. As the colts said man, they could have beaten us with soap. Why did bill cheg doelichick do it . A lot of nfl coach rest paranoid about the game they are involved in. They disappear from july through the end of january with their teams. Families never see them. They watch film all day long. They look for any edge if we that they can get. Belichick has been notorious for doing that. Hes a hall of fame coach. There was no need if it is proven did deflate balls. There was no need to do that. They could have beaten the colts by playing with golf balls. They were going to beat the colts. Just so unnecessary. Theyve already lost in the court of public opinion. It was proven they were inflates . The nfl is still looking into it. The balls were inflated but how they got deflated they dont know. Since each team controls the footballs that go out on the field for them which seems really stupid given the fact that this is obviously a franchise that turns hundreds of billions of dollars through it over the course of decades, how in the world that is just stupid. Playing with the same balls. They have different balls for the kickers. Thats crazy. Willie is the nfl going to do what the japanese authorities did to Paul Mccartney when he got busted for pot . We got to figure out a way dude broke the law. Yeah. His fans are going to tear down the jail. Weve got to figure out how to get him out. Japanese authorities said the second we found the half pound of pot in his suitcase, hitt hidden in his jacket which by the way, paul thats not where you hide pot when you go into japan. And have a guy who carries it for you. In these day, paul theyre drones. You can use drones. They dont work very well. Blind mules. If you have him flying it, has some free time. This is the tamiflu talking. The second we found the pot in there we suspended his visa so they sent him back to england. They have to punish him because its cheating but its not going to have any consequence. Youre not going to suspend him for the super bowl. The big game is coming. Paul mccartney concert is coming so youve got to figure out a way to let belichick off the hook. The investigation wont be done by then. What . Theyre not going to suspend him for the super bowl. What . They have two weeks to chatter about this and write about this. Right. Thats the big problem. They will give them a big fine, lunch money for bob kraft which they dont care about and take eye way probably a first round draft pick. When you say lunch money for bob kraft, i think youre underestimating bob krafts net worth. Who cares . They had an edge that they shouldnt have had. Right . Hey its called due process. They cheated. Maybe in the south of france due process doesnt matter. Talking and talking and talking. They they were deflated. We dont know that. Yes. They were deflated but we dont know who deflated them. They might have been set up. Since the patriots are responsible for their balls, then they deflated them. Okay . I think they pen it on the ball boy. Fire the ball boy. Is anyone else responsible for the team . Deeply saddened this ball boy would do this against their will. The ball boys trust fund. Were deeply saddened. Go to news now with are you did you move to monaco . Did you forget my name . No i was going i was going to say with the south of france Mika Brzezinski but did you take your tamiflu . Are you off kilter . Didnt she move to monaco . Because shes royal. President obama is on the road gaen with his state of the union to deep red states trying to gain traction for the bold of politically unlikely proposals. First stop, boise, idaho, only trip to the state during his presidency on the campus of boise state university. The president compared his agenda to the teams legendary lastminute 2007 fiesta bowl victory over oklahoma. Places like idaho, the only blue turf is on your field. I may be in the Fourth Quarter of my presidency but here at the home of the team with the most famous statue of liberty play in history history, i dont i dont need to remind you that big things happen late in the Fourth Quarter. Gloi t to say willie hes going back to 2007. Good politics though. That is good. Most famous play in the history of that state. The New York Times details the president s mindset going into the peachspeech describing a striking change from his, quote, president ial funk following the midterm elections. The president felt constrained from pushing his agenda and taking more executive actions at the risk of being toxic to his partys vulnerable senators. Many of whom ended up losing anyway. The times reports the president s inner circle considered changing the speechs venue outside the halls of Congress Perhaps in a town hall ultimately it was the improved economic numbers that gave him the confidence to push his agenda without fretting about the republican response. But a new survey by a pughew research poll. When people were asked to use a word to describe the president most said good followed by incompetent. It mirrors the results from two years ago but shows a departure from 2009 in the months when he first took office. See how its changes . 2009 he was a socialist. Yeah. Right . Like 20 people said he was a socialist. Now hes moved from socialist to imp incompetent among his critics. Good, good intelligence. I would like socialist over incompetent. Im not sure i agree with the incompetent word but i will tell you one of the sort of issues for 2016 or things that people will be looking for is competence. Still think the government doesnt work. Mikial dukakis used this is an election about competence. There you go. I mean for the republicans. Dont you think that given the way the president has been received by republicans for six years now that the Biggest Party of him that we saw the other evening in the state of the Union Address was just him deciding to stand up there and say, in shorthand, im president and youre not . I think so. I think thats been his instinct though in the first day he was in office. Famous meeting, jim with jon kyl on the second day that he was in the white house where they were sitting there talking about how tax reform how budget reform was going to take place, how the stimulus was going to be shape and barack obama looked at jon kyl and said i won. You lost. And that has strangely been the white houses attitude from the first day they walked into the office. They never after the 2010 election after the 2014 they never got humbled the way bill clinton got humbled. They never got humbled the way other president s get humbled when they get pounded by the realities of the white house. I think this is just a president unme thered. Hes always thought it, now hes saying it. For sure. You think about the joke at the state of the union where he said, listen and i won those two elections and everyone chuckled. I think it goes to show that he looks at his own election victories but doesnt look at what happened with republicans. As Richard Haass was talk about earlier. They won in historic ways. You would think you would have to reckon with that reality because when he talks about theres no red america, theres no blue america, he doesnt even believe that. He knows that blue america dominates in the president ial elections but in off years its red america that owns america. Its the reason you have the House Majority as big as it is and probably almost unwinnable for democrats in coming elections. I think that, willie, again, what the president did may not be great for bringing the two parties together and getting things done but its probably really good for his political brand. Absolutely. Hes shooting high now. He doesnt have to run for reelection again. Hes putting out the things that he wants, whether its reelection, Community College, cuba tax reform. I love the message toward the end of his state of the union talking about the cynicism in the country and what we out to do to fix that. Now weve got the find policies to match that rhetoric. It comes from him and republicans. Richard, you say he should have put the last first . I would have begun with that because i would have sent the message i recognize theres a new reality, were here to govern. For the next year i would focus on that. That i think would have been a consistency between the politics and the pros. That was not evident in the speech. All right. Okay. Lets move now to capitol hill. Yesterday republican senator john mccain held his first Senate Arms Services Committee Hearing since taking over as chairman. And two former National Security advisers testified really . Yes. We might know one or two of them. Testified on the top threats nacing the world today, including dr. To prevent another invaugs by russia. In europe putin is playing with fire, financing and arming a local rebellion. Occasionally even intervening directly by force. The only credible yet peaceful way to reenforce regional stability is to deploy now in the Baltic States some trip wire nato continence including also from the u. S. Such deployments would not be threatening to russia because of their limited scale, but they would reduce its temptation to recklessly replay the scenario that transpired recently if crimea. I agree completely by the way and ive been saying for some time we need to send the more he moves in the ukraine, the more troops we need to send to poland. But its so fascinating that george w. Bushs ideology that i was telling you ability earlier turned to dr. Brzezinski from a hawk to a dove. Barack obamas policy seems to have turned him back from a dove into a hawk. What goes beyond his contrary yeah nature which his daughter can talk about, i think the jennifer exception there weve gone from a when i say dr. Brzezinski. This isnt about dr. Brzezinski. This is 80 of the people you, the wise men. The realist that weve gone i think the take is weve gone from a president who tried to do too much to a president who has tried to do too little. Both risky for the United States and for our position in the world and what youre seeing people like brent and brzezinski who represents the waterman of our era to try to find that golden mean. What he was talking about its not simply providing lethal aid to ukraine but nato right now, theres an amazing gap between our commitments and our capacity. Weve got to close that gap. We have got to jim, in closing, there are political mp my indications for whats happened, too. Just like george w. Bushs overreach had real political implications. Barack obamas lets just say passiveness, lack of action is actually shaking things back up in the Republican Party. A guy like rand paul is not going to be away to get away with on the campaign trail like he did two years ago about bringing america, bringing troops home fortress america. Yeah. And i think that it sets the stage for what i think its very important me bait well have in 2016 which i do think Richard Haass is right. We had too much of george bush too little from barack obama. How do you deal with this new arl aity . The new reality were going to live forever under the threat of being killed by terrorists, here and abroad. We dont have lieus oral lie answers that allow the United States to attack both of those in an efficient way that deal with the new reality. I think thats a great debate to have in 16. Still ahead on mnlmorning joe, the incredible rags to riches story. The man who founded Paul Mitchell hair cut products and patron me keel la. Former nfl wide receiver heinz ward with his take on the deflated footballs controversy. Also former governor tim pawlenty joins the conversation. Sheila you see this ball control . You see this right . Its 80 confidence and 64 knee brace. Thats more. Shh. I know thats more than 100 . But thats what winners give. Now bicycle kick your old 401 k into an ira. I know, i know. Listen, just get td ameritrades rollover consultants on the horn. Theyll guide you through the whole process. Its simple. Even she could do it. Whatever, janet. For all the confidence you need. Td ameritrade. You got this. We come by almost every day to deliver your mail so if you have any packages you want to return you should just give them to us i mean, were going to be there anyway why dont you just leave it for us to pick up . Or you could always get in your car and take it back yourself yeah, us picking it up is probably your easiest option its kind of a no brainer ok, well, good talk you know im not sure anything will come of it honestly. If its true or if its not true. You know i mean it didnt have much affect on the game if any. If it did, then whatever. If its against the rule its against the rules. But you see, its not going to have any affect on this game. You know nobody is going to get suspended. Nothing is going to happen there. Theyre going to play this game. Whatever they did, the risk reward was greater. I love it. When you have athletes talking about the risk reward. Cost to benefit analysis. Joining us no you, nbc sports analyst, heinz ward and the former republican governor of minnesota, ceo of Financial Services roundtable, tim pawlenty. Interesting, tim pawlenty few people know this. He was backup quarterback for fran tarking from 1978. Thats right. Crazy legs. He had the legs but pawlenty you dont get a lot of snaps behind tarkington. Remember joe . Yes. Canadian. Heinz, lets talk about this thing. As a guy who played so well in the nfl and worked with Ben Roethlisberger and a bunch of other quarterbacks. Is this something that goes on in the league that the air is taken in or let out depending on the preference of a quarterback . Thats a common practice especially for quarterbacks. You know, you get the new game balls. They have a little slickness to them so you want to scuff them up a little bit just to get that first layer. Its all about a grip for the quarterbacks. Its about having a proper grip. When you deal with bad weather conditions like rain it makes it harder to grip the football. You see a lot of quarterbacks wearing gloves. But then you see quarterbacks who are just using their bare hands. But the advantage that you gain from that is quarterbacks with smaller hands tend to let the air out of the football to have the better grip on the ball. You werent shocked . No i wasnt shocked. This is not uncommon. The patriots are just stupid enough to get caught. Exactly. You said that. Yeah. But you know clearly, if it was if you didnt gain advantage, then why do it. So thats where the patriots are. Obviously you played football and pretty nasty climates. It does make a huge difference doesnt it . If that thing is inflated if its new and if its cold out, theres ice on the field, its like catching a rock, isnt it . It is. But for a quarterback, to be able to throw the football its all about having the proper grip. So when you have quarterbacks who wear gloves thats the reason they wear gloves to have better grip. Quarterbacks who dont prefer to wear gloves and playing in the rain taking a little air out of the football now feels like a nerf football. You feel like you can throw it a mile. What i dont understand is why are the teams involved in supplying and coordinating the footballs . The refs are supposed to inspect them, each Team Provides 12 balls and it goes back to the teams to handle thele bas. That seems like a recipe for this kind of manipulation in some instances. Normally when you have the football you have to turn them in on friday. By the time friday and sunday comes around theres a lot of exchanging of the footballs. Why doesnt the league just provide the balls . Why are the teams involved in that . You want to have still, when you get these new footballs they have a type of film on them that makes them slick. You see a lot of ball boys scuffing it to take that first layer, that first coat off the new football just to have a better grip. Its all about the quarterbacks. Because they touch the ball majority of the time and you want your quarterback to have a Comfort Level with all the new football. Dont you think theyre going to, you know change the rules now, is there going to be a guy controlling all the footballs now . I think the hardest thing for a ref, you look at it 11 out of 12 balls were found with air out of the football. The first ball was the normal size. So a ref is really not paying attention to squeezing the ball and checking the air pressure of the football. Thats something that you wouldnt even think about if youre a referee to keep squeezing every ball you have on the field. Like charmin. Do you think when you put this together with spy gate the patriots go on and win the super bowl, is there an asterisk next to everything the pateriots have done . Its tainted. They are dominant. People are saying well, they havent won a super bowl since spyless the gate and now if they go on to win the super bowl, now you talk about deflated balls because with tom brady, the problem that the question that you have you dont know how long this has been going on. You know, this has been going on his whole career and he got exposed by the other teams ball boy. So i mean shocking news and its the patriots because they have theyve had so many so much success over the years. And thats the reason why its big news. Tom brady laughed this off when he was asked on monday. I guess ive heard it all now. Thats ridiculous. Is there any way he didnt know the balls were deflated . Doesnt that kind of request come from the quarterback . Correct. He had to have known. Hes sit there with the ball boy and they over the balls. Scuff it up a little bit, take a little air out of it. Knowing that in that particular game, the rain was coming. Dont you think he looks guilty in that picture right there there . He still looks good. You know people its like you know speed limit is 55. You go 56. Its minor but its still cheating. That would be like a pitcher not knowing his baseball was its cheating. Its cheating. Millions and millions of dollars. It is cheating but but . But what . Everybody does it. No. You know they all do it. He just said everybody does it. I dont know if everybody lets the air out of the football but i know they all get an advantage. You have to because if it didnt get an advantage then why do it . The legal squeeze the ball boy and turn legal. No no. Our game is about protecting the integrity of the football game. Thats what it boils down to. What do you think is going to happen hines . Theyre not going to suspend belichick belichick. The calculation if youre the patriots. Cash, which they have mountains of. Fine ill take that deal. Correct, they dont want a first round draft pick anyway because they dont want to play guys. To fine somebody is nothing. You have to make a harsh stance because they cess precedent in the league as far as being Top Notch Team for so many years. It starts at the top. You look at the scanned with the new orleans saints. Suspending sean payton for a whole year. Youve got to take that type of stance to let it be known across the league that you know what you cant cheat. Before we leave this segment, lets talk about the game itself. Deflated balls, notwithstanding. The patriots and the seahawks look like one of the best matchups that weve had in the super bowl in a really long time. You cant ask for a better matchup. You have tom brady who has been there before explosive offense. Then you have the defending champions who dominated by their defense. Russell wilson improvising, making some plays. You couldnt ask for a better matchup. As a fan, analyst, im happy to see these two teams go at it. What a shame is were all talking about the game that was a blowout. Nobody is talking about one of the most incredible finishes in the history of nfl playoffs. I mean, what Russell Wilson i will say i had to laugh at russell, oh, we knew all along. No russell, you had the worst game i have ever seen a quarterback of your caliber have on that level, other than of course every game that Peyton Manning ever plays in postseason. But he had a horrible game. But, man, they i actually turned it off with 4 30 left going, im going to go out and try to walk. You think of the arc of what could be Russell Wilsons full career and they look back on this stumbled for three fourths of the game and came back with that finish. I like joe, hes still at a point in his career, in the human condition, he was so genuinely touched by the honor to play and so grateful for the outcome, its nice to see that in a pro athlete. Incredible ending. It was incredible. Youre watching the game. Youre saying heres the point spread. Heres the time left. Crunching the numbers. I dont see how they do it without an onside kick to get the ball back. They got the onside kick and went down the field. Defense played great. It shows. You can everything the for 3 1 2 quarters but if you can be that good on defense you stay competitive and get a chance to win. Hines ward is so nice to have you on the show. Loved having you. Appreciate it. Im glad about what you said because here they were saying its cheating but youre just saying its cheating. Its cheating. Its cheating. Thank you. All right. Tim pawlenty, can you stay . Of course. Were going to talk some politics with the former governor next on morning joe. Discover card. How can i help you . Oh, youre real . You know im real at discover, were always here to talk. Good, cause i dont have time for machines. Some Companies Just dont appreciate the power of conversation you know, i like you i like you too at discover, we treat you like youd treat you. Get the it card and talk to a real person. Theyre still after me. Get to the terminal across town. Are all the green lights you . No. Its called grid iq. The 4 51 is leaving at 4 51. They cut the power. Itll fix itself. 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Start investing with as little as fifty dollars. I remember when tim pawlenty filled in for joe. He was so good we decided to turn the tables around here. This works. How do we look . Tim, look. Not bad. Right . Its okay. Im from minnesota. I want to see how you do reading prompter and interviewing our guest, joe scarborough. What camera do i look . Youre good. Just sit there and look pretty. Okay . No, this tim, barnicle you be quiet. You read prompter and then go to joe. How are we doing here . Joining us now former congressman from florida, new york times bestselling actor and host of the most influential morning show on television he is always 100 correct. Sell it. Thats b. S. On every issue. He should honestly run for president of his local soccer club and hes the only man whose hair im jealous of. Joe scarborough, welcome to the show. Thank you. Tom brady has nothing on you. Except for deflated no. That was welldone. Joe and tom brady. My hair. Im glad that you did that to a magazine because i think the New York Post just went a bridge too far. No. They went too far. Joe, welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for having me again. I love your set. Were glad youre here. Its always good to see you. Its a lot bigger. Its a lot bigger in here than when im sitting at home. What did you think of the state of the state, joe . Dont start him. You know mike knows this. Yes, i do. Im uncomfortable talking about what i think, what my opinion is. Our job is to draw you out. You know what . I feel more comfortable hearing what other people think. Oh, god. What do you think governor . Youre nice to ask. Thanks, joe. I love minnesota nice. I thought the president was relaxed, confident, comfortable, i think that has a lot to do with his improving numbers and improving economy. The substance of his speeches is something the republicans are going to buy for the most part. But theres areas of compromise. They are compromise and get together on trade. They can compromise and get together on parts of tax reform. They can compromise and get together on advancing Cyber Security policy and Cyber Security defenses and more. Theres enough for them to come to the and get some stuff done. Gosh you keep interrupting me. Go ahead, joe. Do you think it will happen . Are you optimist, because i am more optimistic at every stage i think than other people despite the fact that my job is to be to analyze whats going on and be critical. Im always more optimistic than the facts offen the ground suggests i should be. And i keep thinking theyre going to turn the corner and figure out how to Work Together. Is that possible the last two years . Well, like that old country song goes, you know some things dont mix like you hope like watered down whiskey and coke. Theres basic things here that are not going to come together. At least on the things that i mentioned and a few others the president is going to want some things, too, yeah they can get some stuff done. Dont the republicans, isnt there biggest priority they have no now prove they can govern they can get something done . Well, not necessarily, mike, because we just had the most nonProductive Congress and they won. And that was primarily over opposing the president and opposing harry reid as a proxy for the president. They need to get stuff done. They should get stuff done. I think the country is looking for that. The correlation between winning elections and getting stuff done recently isnt high. Isnt that remarkable . Youre exactly right. The least Productive Congress ever. If you took all of the scathing things that were spoken about the last congress, you know you could fill, you know a book that would go from here to california and back. Everybody predicted doom and yet they were rewarded and it was a historic victory. They now have more siteseats. Silver put his finger on something a year ago, very profound, joe, this ch is this. 95 of the congressional districts in the United States congress are demographically politically prebaked. Most of these members of congress are not worried about losing a general election. They are worried about getting outflanked further to the left or further to the right in a primary and this has resulted in the bulkinization. Who is going to win the super bowl . Seahawks. I think you might be right. One final tough question for you. P patriots. How happy were you to see your rival, the green bay packers, have their hearts broken . Well, when the vikings cant be in it we root for the packers because its the closest thing. Do you . Yes. Good for you. Because theyre so nice in minnesota. This is minnesota nice. That aint how it works in the south. You did good reading the prompter. You sold it. I did. 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Shes sophisticated and demure and perfect. Perfect. Foxy legs. Im just saying. Thank you, mika. Lets take the steady cam off her legs. We do it to barnicle when he wears tube socks. You can get away from this when you come on the show for one important reason. No one else is up in the house. You look great. I love the cover. Cheap gas, how long will it last, how long will it go . We also have Brian Sullivan from cnbc with us. Mika brzezinski said before you came on said so good to see you. So, lets talk about the good the bad, the ugly the implications. Whats the good of cheap gas . It feels pretty good. Anyone who has filled their car up in the last month or so gas is down to National Average of 2. 05. Under 2 in a lot of places. This puts money back in the consumers hands. 750 tax break for every American Household is amazing. Mike, you put it another way. Yeah. Its really the first significant pay raise the average American Workers have received in 10 or 12 years. You can see it happening at the pump when they look in shock only paying 30 to fill the tank instead of 55 or 60. Whats the bad news about cheap gas . So there are various levels of bad news. Its bad news in texas where you know texas has been having basically an oil boo m because of fracking but fracking becomes economically not viable once oil becomes below 70 a barrel. Its now at about 50. Not showing any signs of going up in the near future. So this means that in texas, things are starting to look a little more like the rest of the country in terms of employment and expenses. You talk about blackmarkets are the big losers breadlines. Venezuela, Falling Oil Prices is a reckoning for socialist revolution. I love theres a map here talking about the countries that are the winners and the countries that are the losers and why the winners, United States, saudi arabia india because cheaper prices and china. Losers venezuela, iraq iran and russia. Russia obviously depends on oil exports. When the price goes down its bad for russia. Can lead to instability. Venezuela, much more severe situation even. But, yeah for big economies like india and china, cheaper fuel is obviously a good driver of revenue. So should the United States export oil . Thats a tough question. You know in the last explain why we have not in the past. Why havent they should we now . Theres been rules against it. We do export Refined Products gasoline and sort of havent seen you guys in a while because the last four weeks ive been in texas, north dakota. How bad is it out there . To radhikas point, closed down 74 oil rigs in one week shut down. Those are jobs lost. About 100 Jobs Associated with every oil rig indirectly. So you can kind of do the math. Canada its worse because their cost to production is higher. I agree with your point its a big boon for consumers but lets not over underestimate the negative impact on u. S. Economy. Any jobs created in texas and knot north dakota and one of the few places we have seen wage gains in the oil and energy space. Laying off people. 16,000 people last two days. Lose jobs there but doesnt that also mean the cost of manufacturing goes down cost of doing business goes down. We transition our economy. Thats true. Because so much of the electricity we use for manufacturing and even in our houses is fired by natural gas. Natural gas prices have also come down. We talk about gasoline but Natural Gas Prices have come down as well too, so theres another tax break in the lower heating costs for most of america. All right. What impact if any do you think it would have on the Keystone Pipeline the construction of . Oh, i dont know. I just sat down with the ceo of keystone last week in calgary. They said theyre Going Forward with it. That was his point. They want to export the gasoline we pipe through. We sat down together. In Time Magazine halftime is going to be a hit. We are going. We are going to the super bowl. Isnt this funny . Were doing a prime time show. We have to know everything about it. Ive been studying. I know everything there is to know about Time Magazine talks about halftime is a hit. Whats the story . Obviously you think about super bowl you think of watching football. The truth is the halftime show is now the biggest king maker in pop music. 10 or 12 minutes. But it is i think everyone talks about how fractured Television Audiences are now. You can count on the super bowl, its about the one thing in the year you can count on for everybody to watch. All right. Radhika jones, Deputy Managing Editor of time and foxy. Brian, stay with us. Still ahead, a possible link between a certain type of birth control and brain cancer. Well tell you who researchers say are most at risk. Were back in just a moment. Ameriprise asked people a simple question can you keep your lifestyle in retirement . I dont want to think about the alternative. I dont even know how to answer that. I mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. I try not to worry but you worry. What happens when your paychecks stop . Because everyone has retirement questions. Ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. To get the real answers you need. Start building your confident retirement today. I agree with every word he said in the speech with respect to trade and asia and getting in there and helping write the rules instead of china writing the rules and the president s in the middle of writing a trade agreement with asian nations representing 40 of gdp means more jobs for america, more exports for us. Something we have to get on top of and i agree with him on that. Oh my gosh. You were right. Paul was nice. He was adorable as always. No. A positive thing. I think hes an openminded person and sticks to his conservative ideals. You guys have a special chemistry. No we dont. That was congressman paul ryan yesterday on morning joe in a rare moment of agreement with the president on the issue of free trade. From capitol hill republican congressman christine nom of south dakota and Corporate Affairs at caterpillar, Kathryn Carroll and mention part of our sustainable series. Great to have you. Congressman, begin with you. Paul ryan said there are a few area where is republicans and democrats can agree on free trade, possibly on infrastructure. Lets be positive for a moment here. What are the opportunities . I think we have real opportunities on trade coming up in this next session. Were currently working on the Transpacific Partnership agreement negotiated with 11 Asian Countries and what congress will have to do soon is address trade Promotion Authority which is giving the administration the authority to move ahead on those negotiations. Infrastructure is always a priority and weve got funding issues we have to come up with a solution here in the next several months as well. I was going to say, congresswoman, i was talking how i have always been a conservative libertarian, but even i am beginning to understand that our infrastructure is getting older. We need to figure out a better way to fund it and most republicans on the hill believe that, too, now, right . That we really are going to have to figure out a better way forward on infrastructure . We need to fund it complete big projects here in this country and recognize its one of the major responsibilities of the federal government, to keep that infrastructure in place to have commerce happen across our country. Its not just our roads. Its also our rails, its our pipelines. Keeping things up to date is very important. I thought it absolutely fascinating, and you know that people are starting to notice. Getting out of a plane in l. A. A couple years ago, mika and i said blank dont work. He was so mad. The infrastructure, frefrg getting everything from nothing worked. When you see in the abc news wall street journal poll katherine, the number four issue Americans Care about, funding infrastructure. Its starting to happen and americans are starting to see it. You told me an ain credible thing, though about our ports. Tell everybody what you told me offair. Cartterpillar relies on this. Over 50 of caterpillar equipment in the United States leaves the United States for other nations as part of our exports. Right. And we need ports that are capable of handling heavy machinery. 12 billion pounds of engine parts, machines has to leave our ports, and oftentimes our ports cant handle this kind of equipment, and as we testified before Congress Last year we have to use canada to export our equipment. Thats incredible. Unbelievable. Yeah. We need to build these ports so they can handle it. Where do e go . Vancouver . Instead of long beach. Instead of long beach. Even turbines. If youve ever seen thez they look like the bottom of a rocket ship. Very happy. We truck our turbines to houston, texas. Here we are in san diego where we manufacture them and we need to move them to texas on trucks. So it is a problem. 70 of americans realize its a problem, and its something that we actually share the president s optimism in getting republicans and democrats together moving forward. This tpp, without getting wonky on trade deals. Sounds like youre about to get really woinknky. Whos down with tpp . The republicans and president in rare alignment. Democrats coming out of labor is afraid it will steal jobs communications of america, against it. Negotiated in secret. Nobody knows the details. Is ill call the tpp in a rough way a nafta including parts of asia chile and peru. Is it negative for u. S. Jobs . We have opportunities to get input into this and as we move trade authority through congress well have the chance to lay out parameters to follow as these fall in place. Soon as the administration completes negotiations this agreement comes back to us for an up or down vote. Congress has a lot of say in what the final agreement looks like, but we have to recognize that the population growth is not happening in america. Its happening a lot in asia and we have a huge market over there we want to be a part of supplying their needs. Their food their supplies their technology. We have great opportunities in front of us with this agreement. Katherine, you agree . Absolutely. In fact, id just like to add a few points. One out of every four manufacturing jobs is supported by exports and we need these exports. Caterpillar exports, about 84 billion in products over the last five years, and we want to see those exports grow. For every billion dollars of exports it creates 5,000 new jobs manufacturing job, in the United States. And these jobs are 13 to 18 higher paid jobs. So you want these higher wage jobs. We need to grow exports, and it helps american companies, and the suppliers of american companies. So we have over 14,000 u. S. Suppliers that benefit from trade as well. All right. First of all, katherine carroll, great to you have. Thank you. Nice to see you. Thanks for having caterpillar. Brian sullivan thank you. Welcome. Christine nome thank you very much. And what officials are saying about a massive fire that forced hundreds people from their homes. And playing putin . Hillary clinton impersonates russias president. But it sounded sounded like her husband . I think this is a marriage counselor issue. Im confused. No. Its a power thing. Well be right back. Velocity of change in the world increases new players in new markets face a choice do it fast and cheap. Or do it right. 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Go go go hes challenging the very fabric of society. In a post cannonball world was it Grilled Cheese . Guilty the aquatic delinquency is a larger issue to this you did it again, didnt you . Yup. This is good news, people. Wait wait wait. Did you just wink . Lets see that again in slow motion. What . Wait wait a second. Hold on a second. Doesnt he just realized he just lost an historic election . I mean both house bice historic margins . Even his own party was deserting him. Doesnt obama know he wont be able to get anything done in his last two years. Oh oh oh he doesnt give a [ bleep ] you know thats really okay. Pretty much it. No its not. Yesterday, one of the funny thing, sitting there, with like 187degree temperature, i didnt know it could go that high. I didnt either. Had that great tweet. Funny. Breaking news. And this is what i kept thinking when i saw the state of the union. He was really, really good. Right . Yeah. I mean, it was an incredible performance. Yes. But its kind of like one of those hollywood stars that do incredible performances then they walk on the street you go oh, wait a second. Theyre not really they lift those huge hammers and get lightning from the sky. In the words of john lennon is was all showbiz. Im not being negative but he cant do anything. Right. Literally. He can do no more. I mean thats whats liberating about it though . Right . All of this talk about him hes liberated. No, thats not no. But if you after the election he cant do anything thats not liberating. What do you, you say, okay. Lets make deals. I think thats what he was saying. Look back on the previous six years and look at the Republican Party, the Democratic Party and say im not going to say this publicly but theres no Common Ground between the two of them. Thats not true. No capacity to find the middle. Thats especially the calculation made right after the election thamplts is a defeatist thinking that has surrounded this white house. Oh, we cant do anything. Because republicans we cant do anything. If he had said instead, richard, plab im crazy, said hey we could debate that. I am crazy but if the president said listen, heres the deal. I want to get people that work hard 10 an hour minimum wage. You want a pipeline. Pick your pipeline. Instead of just saying its just a pipeline forget it. When, of course canada and everybody else says its a really good deal and its going to create jobs and lots of money and stimulate growth at least for two or three years and that aint bad. Republicans might go wont give you 10, but we might give you 9. Theres always this defeatist thinking. Either black or right, yes or no, im right youre wrong. This is actually a state of the union that should have been given a year from now. This is the january 2016 state of the union. Then you can do the i was right you were wrong. And the state of the union. By then the window for governing would have closed. We know this is the last year it remains open. Tax reform there are things he could have put on the table very, very solid. He had another year before he basically played 2016. I thought he missed that opportunity. What he did he played to his ego. He played to his base. He played to everybody in the white house that told him a lot of them are friends, those republicans are just bad, and mika, you really see the difference between a politician who spends his entire life around his own type. Whether its democrats around democrats and republicans around republicans versus a Ronald Reagan or a bill clinton, deal with republicans and conservatives in arkansas. I dont know what state of the union you were watching, but i saw a very positive tone to it. I really did. And obviously, the audience was, for the first time you know republicancontrolled he had a tough audience, and i thought he put it out there in a positive way saying we can try and do this without being to confrontational about certain specific issues which you know they would just seize upon and the next day, chatter about, until everything is dead. The doors now open. For sure watch john boehner the body language, look at the lack of a plays. Pplause. The republicans took it as a negative state of the union. Your fever was just about to break. I might have been delirious. Like right now hallucinating, thinking well have a straight down the middle conversation, but mika, the i i think at the end of the day, if you look at what the president said. Uhhuh. And you look at issue after issue, it was democratic talking points he was playing, and even democrats said hey, hes societying up the 2016 election. Thats all i heard that day. Yesterday, hey setting up the 2016 you know what . We still have a year or two of governing to do and then can you set up like richard said the 2016 election. Any hope any hopes for bipartisanship, willie seems to me deflated like a football. Ah i love that segue. A good segue. First, this has been their posture, though since the midterm elections. On Immigration Reform Community College, normalizing relations with cuba hes putting out what he thinks is best and the other night on the tax code hell put out his ordeal and force republicans to say no i dont think people should go to Community College for free. People deported. No relationsry cuba. Not a tax hike on the rich. Hes putting them in the position of having to go against these things. Whether or not thats productive to make those things happen you can debate about, but hes putting out his ideal at this point, because i dont think he thinks over the next two years theyre actually going to its going to actually be good for him. His numbers will keep going up. Look what hes done on cuba for instance. The overwhelming of americans support what he did on cuba. Look what he did on on the immigration executive order, the majority of americans support that. Now, they dont support a pathway to citizenship. If you look at the latest nbc poll, but they support what hes doing and i think most americans will look at that, and the people that swing back and forth, and i think his numbers will actually go up. Im just talking about getting big deals done. Getting tax reform done. Doing Immigration Reform done mika. Well get that sound bite for you for the next discussion on this, because i know we need to move on, but there are republicans who saw things in the speech they thought they could work with. The trade thing. Paul ryan is one of them on the air on nightly last night, it made news because he didnt just hear a liberal agenda heard something he could work with. One or two things to work with. Im talking overall picture. Again, ill a lot more optimistic than most people after this election. I really thought a lot of things where going to get done in the next two years and maybe they will. That wasnt the speech that most people would have given. Im right, you were wrong. Ive been right. Youve been wrong. Its not usually the pathway to compromise. And one quick point on that, and also if you think of atmospherically what democrats always wanted from republicans rhetorically, theyve got innocence the election. Mcconnell, boehner, a lot more republicans talking sensibly about areas where they might compromise. They know they actually have to govern. The moment they finally say, hey, were willing to govern, president obama, were not going to govern. The republicans are actually a nice change for the most part acting responsibly. I think so. I saw no one set their hair on fire. Did you watch every single republican response . Can you honestly say that . Well i didnt see there were 85. I missed the ted nugent response. Ah. Okay. By the way, thats a good sign, that things are changing in the Republican Party. Ted nugent was not the guest of honor with guns strapped on him. Fantastic. Okay. Good back to your deflated segue. That was a great transition. Had we not seen ted nugent in the audience sort of left me with a deflated there you go. Well done. I dont think we can show the cover of the post. Ill leapt you decide. Dont show it to joe. I havent seen it. Read it quick. I havent seen it. Okay. Just read the story. The nfl is still investigating claims that game balls used by the patriots on sunday were under inflated by the team and whether or not it was intentional. Ron mott has the latest. Reporter espn citing a Anonymous Sources reports that the nfl found 11 of 12 game balls used by the new England Patriots were under inflated which can make the balls easier to throw and catch, especially in the rain as was the case in sundays victory. The controversy over deflate gate as it called is social Media Centers whether they tampered with footballs after being inspected by the referee. Its possible the curt han been pulled back here on a series of things that go on behind the scenes that no one was really aware of. Reporter according to league rules two hours before the game 12 balls are checked by officials by each team measured to meet specs and marked with the refs signature. Ten minutes before the game given to ball runners on both sides where the balls remain. How could it happen . Carrying a pump needle like this insert it in the ball and release two or three pounds of pressure. Enough, some say, to gain an edge even if barely notable. Nfl rule do not have access to balls during the game but stip lates if anyone alters the balls face fines. I believe a suspension for the head coach might be in play depending on what kind of proof they have and even what kind of chain of custody they have on these stupid footballs. Theyve come this far. Theyve played good football. Why would they want to jeopardize it . Theyre xheet erscheaters and should be punished. Reporter heavily fined for spygate in 2007. Videotaping opponents during the game. Push the boundaries con distantly. This time it appears theyve gone outside it. Reporter while some colts players joked they would be happy to replace the patriots in the super bowl player dwayne allen said new england could have played with soap and beat us. Exactly. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Thank you, dwayne allen. Seriously. No, im serious. Thats all class. It really is. The colts have for the most part been classy. Could have played with soap and willie . For people that dont understand it you know quarterback, played in the north. I mean its ice. When its cold those balls are like rocks. You deflate it you can actually grip it. Right. So the question is should there be some punishment leading up to the super bowl . Thats not gawk to happen. Not going to suspend belichick. A fine 25 grand Something Like that, take away a draft pick. Take away their first draft pick. That will hurt. Mike barnicle this is playing huge up in bostons what do you think . What should happen here . Hey mike do you love Bill Belichick as much as i love bell bilchik . All of these coaches are paranoid to a if people knew paranoia an Football Games and winning, people would be shocked. On this one, the patriots have already lost. They have priors. So in the publics mind and Public Relations paect ofaspect of it the patriots are already losers. Id like to find out what happened, and i think well find out later today what happened and i assume if the patriots are found culpable of deflating 11 out of 12 balms in the first half of the game not in the second half of the game, when they were exposed, when the ball was exposed, then theyll suffer a severe penalty, because of their pryers. 457. A 38point game. Obviously the ball dns make a difference in the game, but cheating is cheating. You got to punish in. Not only that willie check the stats of the game. Tom brady, the patriots quarterback had a much better second half after they found out about the balls than he did the first half. Okay. Just why it make as difference. Why did each team provide their own football . How stupid is that . That is the stupid part of it. Opening the door to cheating. Thats what you do. I mean, it seemed to me in high school when i played what a conversation. The other team in florida, i thought the other team actually provided still some kind of reform where these things will be held under custody, shall we say. Is that the Foreign Policy over the story . No. Deflation. Yesterday. Europeans here we go. A q a speech in the chamber of commerce. Hes not doing that. So we got a lot to talk about. You saw Hillary Clinton yesterday. She was in canada and in winnipeg speaking at the chamber of commerce, you just said and she channeled her inner Vladimir Putin, and did an imitation. You wanted to how was she . Take a look. If for some reason you decided to be leader of the United States, or actually run for that because there is a process. There is a process. And you got elected and people said you know what imagine the conversation with putin . Prime minister after president and one day says vladimir you think youd like to be president again . I think i would, actually. Why dont we just go announce it well tell dmitri he could be Prime Minister. Excellent, excellent idea. Yes. We have a process. Yes. I think thats not Vladimir Putin. Thats bill clinton. She needs to talk to a marriage counselor. She actually sees her husband at Vladimir Putin. The worst Vladimir Putin ive ever heard. That was bill clinton. A lot going on overseas. Get to it. Violent protest in yemen which is reportedly simmering at least for now. Shiite rebels shuck a deal with the countrys president Late Wednesday after storms his residence and holding him captive there. The agreement ends with local officials labeled an attempted coup. The deal promises to amend yemens constitution and give the rebels more representation in its parliament. Just four months ago, as thethe Washington Post points out, president obama was holding up yemen as a Success Story in the fight against terror. The president said the strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years. Boy tell you what Donald Rumsfeld saying a few things. He wished he could have gotten the about iraq. Chapter and verse that the president has keeps forebiding these quotes that keep suggesting he may either be out of touch with the war on terror or may just wish it didnt exist. You dont want to make comments that are confident in predictions about any middle eastern state. Now look four countries in the middle east essentially famed states. Three for sure. Syria, libya and yemen. Iraq arguably a fourth. This one wasnt our doing, unlike the other three, but the fact is you got a country roughly the size of saudi arabia that is on the drinkbrink of failure. Totally infiltrated by terrorist groups and lost essentially any part in the global effort against terrorism here. This is a serious piece of bad news. Still ahead on morning joe, hes the founder of Paul Mitchell hair Care Products. I use the gel growing up. Like glue. What . Spit in my hair nap will knock it down. Pensacola gel. What you call it. The luxury tequila petrone. Well heavy how he went from homeless to a 3 billion fortune and is now giving back. He joins us with his incredible story. Thats at 8 30. Im homeless right now. The findings of a new study and potential impacts of a very popular form of Birth Control. Information all women will want to hear. Doesnt work. That form of Birth Control does not works ladies. But first, heres bill karins. I dont care what he tells you, it doesnt work. It works. A cute little boy you have. Heres the forecast with bill, bill . The noreaster, impacting the northeast on saturday. The storm now is in texas. Amarillo, by far the worst weather in the country the last 24 hours. 11 inches of snow. More snow than weve had this winter in chicago and new york combined. Take that storm and then track it across the southeast today. A lot of heavy rain. No snow for you down there, and then by saturday, its going to come off the midatlantic coast. Notice i wrote cool. Not cold. Very borderline temperatures with this storm. We could get a lot of areas with the heavy, wet snow and some areas just with rain and sleet. So theres the storm located on sunday up there near nova scotia on the back side cold and windy. I think well have a narrow band on the back side of this. Somewhere in this vicinity where we could get the heavier snows. Otherwise, i dont think its going to be a widespread big snow. Heres kind of how i think it will play out saturday into saturday night. Areas in the white, best chance of getting enough snow to shovel or plow. Its a very narrow band. This does not go back to pittsburgh. Buffalo, albany syracuse. Look to get almost nothing out of this. This is mostly a coastal event and eastern new england. So again that storm today is in texas. Then well take it on saturday up the northeast coast. This is not going to be a crippling noreaster, it will be a pretty localized event, and it wouldnt even surprise me if this storm disappoints more than anything else. Disappointing for the kids that want to play in it that is. Not for those that have to drive in it. Washington, d. C. , snow yesterday. Fun. Looking cloudy right now and i heard the roads are pretty slick. Youre watching plch ging morning joe. Well be right back. Ive had a lot of hondas. We went around the country talking to people who made the switch to ford. I loved the look of the fusion. We test drove it. I was like this is my car. Allwheel drive is amazing. I felt so secure. You can do it, emmie ecoboost is when you can take a four cylinder and make it feel like a six cylinder. I was really surprised. I drove the fusion. And i never went back. Make the switch to americas favorite brand. Check out special offers on ford fusion at ford. Com or see your local ford dealer. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ alex ] transamerica helped provide a lifetime of retirement income. So i can focus on what matters most. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. Transamerica. 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Can we do the morning papers . Joe, sit down. Im calling security toy take care of this. You need to come sit down joe. Its warm in here. All right. Lets do the morning papers. Start in jersey. Willie this is right across the river. Watched it out of my bedroom last night. Unbelievable. New jersey star ledger, hundreds of residents homeless after a massive fivealarm fire in edge water, new jersey, destroyed and apartment complex. More than 300 people evacuated from the Apartment Building with 175 units after it broke out around 4 30 in the afternoon. Fire was so large, it was clearly visible on the west side of the new york city just across the hudson. It was contained, but not until late last night. Nearby schools closed today after officials declared a local state of emergency. The cause of the inferno remains under investigation. I stepped out of my apartment this morning. All i could smell was that fire. Youre kidding . In new york city. That was across the river in new jersey. Massive. Incredible. The Los Angeles Times in mexico, a drone carrying over six pounds of methamphetamine crashed into a supermarket parking lot. Told you, willie. I couldnt control those things i tried. We did the dry run i. Know. You blew it. When you actually put the actual meth there, i found meth aero aerodynamically responds differently to winds and gusts and the baking powder get the jitters when its the real thing. A lot of. Youre controlling with a joy stick. I know. Boom. Where is your drone . Just well in a supermarket. Actually its in a tree in your backyard. Still there. Using remote aircraft to smuggle drugs across the border is apparently not rare and earned the nickname blind mules. Latest incident is under investigation. Time magazine. Ak47 rifle soon manufactured in the United States. American gun company rwc in manufacture them domestically an u. S. Impoegszed sanctions against russia prevented the weapons from being imported. Historically manufactured by the Russian Company kalishnikov, the official u. S. Importer and distributor of ak47s will open a new factory to produce the weapons. The telegraph, king tuts gold be burial mask irreversibly damaged after a botched repair job. Hate to be that dude. At an Egyptian Museum in cairo. Not good. Oh no. Museum employees say the beard snapped off. Oh dude during a cleaning attempt back in october and a rush to get the popular exhibit back on display. No. Epoxy was used to reattach the piece. The hasty epoxy job leaked into the face of the mask and dried, leaving a visible holy cow who is this guy . Sounds like a contractor you know. The mask was also scratched in an attempt to fix the mistake. Holy cow locating king tuts tomb in 1922 is considered one of historys greatest discoveries. And they decide to let it get repaired by cheech and chong . I mean what is going on here . Cant you see he drops it looks around. Gets out the gorilla glue and starts thats terrible. The toledo blade. Comedian kevin hart purchased 500 tickets for fans to see his new movie the wedding ringer for free. Fans and Movie Theater staff in toledo, ohio learns of the news when hart posted several messages on twitter explaining he bought the tickets as a thank you to fans for buying tickets to his sold out standup performance there. In all, hart spent 5,000 on the promotion. This guys huge. You were telling me this guy sells out stadiums. 50,000. As big as hes huge. I think 15 million or 16 million twitter followers. As big a comedian as in the world now. Thats what josh gad taught up. Up next, are millions of women all around the world putting themselves at risk by using oral contraceptives like the pill . Findings of potentially a very important new study. Well talk about it. Boy once upon a time, there was a nice house that lived with a family. One day, it started to rain. 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Did i tell you during that interview this was going to end well . Im thrilled. Did you believe me . Of course. I believe everything you say, mika. I think she was i think she didnt but does now. Dr. Azhar youre here were going to talk about Birth Control, the pill and new research. Always research about the pill that seems so confusing. Uhhuh. Because people take it for a lot of different reasons. Yes, they do millions of women around the world obviously use the pill and other oral contraceptives and now were hearing about a potential connection with brain cancer. A scary headline. It is. Diffuse it or tell us why we need to be worried . Probably more diffusing than anything else and its important to put this particular study into context. Were talking about brain tumors, which are obviously very scary, but not common tumors. Okay . Roughly five out of 100,000 people. Numbers are quite small. Why in the headline . Its a headline . Why . Because we all use Birth Control. Its probably one of the most u bic ewe ubiquitous things. Not that it causes cancer. It was trying to show is there an association between the usa of hormonal use and its a statistical point but a clinically meaningful one and they found for william who ever used hormonal contraception the risk was slightly high. When they used it more recently within five years of the diagnosis of the brain tumor the correlation was a bit higher. Longer use, the longer you use it. Longer use . Higher. Then a subgroup analysis suggested that progesterone only. Not combination estrogen pro 1ye69er roan progesterone only had the highest correlation. Let me ask you this, because it seems to me that you take the pill not just as contraceptive, but a lot of women take to do prevent other thing. All of these different things. Irregularity. Dealing with testosterone leveling. Endometriosis. Take it too long and tear telling you what do we tell our daughters as they grow up . Is it good or is it bad . The overwhelming evidence over the years has suggested that its a relatively safe thing. Though, of course, there are people who arent supposed to be on estrogen at all, they have clotting problems, high Blood Pressure migraine, risk of stroke. Were not talking about those. The average woman using it for those conditions plus Birth Control, hormonal contraception reduces risk of ovarian and end dough meet treeal cancer. I think as a woman, riskreduction sounds good to me. It for me always in medicine no free lunch, you weigh the risks and benefits. The benefits of taking it at the end of the day, when this is fully analyzed is going to outweigh that potential risk. I get it. The numbers are so small. Doctor, is there a move away from oral contraceptives to other methods . There has been an increase in things like the iud, which started, very bad p. R. Rap and my doctor recommended that. What do you recommend to women in your practice . Basically first of all, i usually i dont always defer the discussion, but i usually defer the discussion to the patients ob gyn. They have the most knowledge in this. Right . There are nonhormonal alternatives for people thats the iud and it did get a lot of bad press, people thought this that and the other thing. At the end of the day, most women are good candidates for hormonal contraception. Theyre vastly different than decades ago. The concentration now of the estrogen and progesterone is so low, low enough to be effective but not to cause all the potential side effects. This conversation, we have to have again, because theres different different segments we can do on the pill. Including the fact women used to have a lot more kids and as a result that made their cycle happen less and now you theres so many reasons to take it and so many reasons to be worried about how long you take it. Were going to continue that conversation, and this half hour segment, but maggie turn to your story. So excited. I take full responsibility for your success. Its all mikas magic. No. You know what . I interviewed you for the book i have coming outing in the spring. Grow your valley value. I wanted to talk to you because of your outstanding career and you were just like ah, well, im leaving. Well what happened was parade was successfully sold to a media group. It happens. That moved it happened to me. Moved the entire team to nash gilles. Ville. You were so sweet. One of the first who calmed. The First Priority getting a lot of people who worked at parade a new job. Almost everyone has one. Fantastic. Thats what i love about maggie. Transition is difficult, its what you know was going away. I went through the same thing and we talked about that but the first thing maggie said to me is im worried about the people who work with me. Ive got to get them all jobs and you have worked on that but something came your way and i asked you in the interview to define your brand, and all that stuff will look for in the book but your brand matches what youre doing now. Tell us about it. Well im working at a brand called cafe. Com, which is going to sort of own lifestyle for people in the messy middle. People who are, have had their kids. Are building different kind of office and family relationships. And were really going to try to tackle lifestyle and stories everyday things in a fun, factual way. Its a great place for writers, and were looking for writers. Dr. Azhar, you and i are in the messy middle. We should contribute. You have a 9yearold . I felt she was talking to me. Life crunch. The thing is reality, you learned when you know you lost your job and as i did. Fired. I was fired. Thats why i love you, mika. Blunt. So fired. On my butt. What you do is life offers you these transitions and youre constantly now in transition. 40 isnt the 40 our parents had. Were in very very different places. And were very proud of the things. Proud of our kids. We sat down talking about our kids, but also proufd our work and work life. Its interesting mouch your work life defines you as woman. We talk oh yeah. The kids wanted me out of the house. In my book i talk how your home life and work life should have synergy and all define your brand. I love it. So much on that coming up. Messy middle. You look like you have it together. I know you dont. Its okay. Dr. Azhar, its okay. Thank you so much for being on. Maggie murphy always great to see you. Coming back . I am coming back. Were doing segments. Still ahead, google is into a lot of things from the selfdriving car to those hightech glasses that never really caught on. Will the internet giant now have better luck in the phone business . Sarah eisen has that story, next. 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We dont know a lot about it like when or how much it will cost, but its very interesting that reports are indicating google signed deals with tmobile and sprint to resell their Services Already googles a big player in the phone business. Obviously, powers more than half of u. S. Smartphones in the United States with its android software, but this is a completely different game of actually selling directly to consumers Wireless Service. Its also interesting, because its google. Theyve been a disruptive force. See if it means lower prices for the consumer. Of course that could be a good side effect. Back to you. Sara eisen, thanks so much. Im told were going to break now. I think. No, no, no no no. Were not going to break. This is big news here mika. Whats going on . We have thomas roberts. Hes at the greatest golf course. What . On the planet. Doral. The greatest golf course ever. Come on. The greatest golf course greatest owner and in the greatest states greatest everything, getting ready to talk about the greatest pageant ever. I cant imitate donald trump, but youre down there, thomas. Tell us whats got on . I am. Just got here moments ago, after getting in last night, and it is the countdown to the 63rd Miss Universe held here at doral. It is a beautiful morning. Mika i know youre very excited for me and 88 contestants kpeeflted in the prelim competition last night. The jumps, prelim jumps, whittled it down to 15. All of the ladies are showcased sunday evening 8 00 p. M. On nbc but then the competition between the 15 but i have a very interesting offer, joe. Paula shugert, president of Miss Universe, talk to joer and see if hed like to be an official judge, fly down and theyll throw in a round of gulf. I have to tell you i care about the youth of america. Sand oh im going to take it under advisement. Mika has it may be all right for her to denigrate young women trying to make a difference in this world and care about world peace, but i will not. So thomas, im going to try to do it. Ive got events going this weekend. But, of course i get sick every three days. Well see. But thomas how great is it down there . How great is this pageant . Gorgeous. How great is donald trump . Ah well, donald trump, you know i love dont you scowl, mika. Its great to be here in florida. This is much better than moscow. You guys know i ventured to moscow to cohost his pageant in 2013. This is a much better venue but i want to let you know about the entertainment, because we have gavin degraw. Exclusive to you. Hasnt been announced yet. Prince royce and my buddy nick jonas, dont be jealous, but nick jonas is performing, and he is going to be one of the big entertainers. Dont be jealous, mika. Dont be jealous. What i do know. Youll do a great job. I just saw patrick in a picture. Thomas, thank you. Thank you so much. The 63rd. Patricks on the way down now. Joe, jump on a plane. Come on down here. I need to. You make this show a cluster mika you need to go down and be a judge as well. A stop judge . Dont be a hater. Trying to convince paula needs to get mika in too, but we were afraid of mika being here as judge. Shes a little negative. Really . Scroll up the tease. Thank you. Coming up our next guest went from sleeping in broken down automobiles to owning a luxury train car. The incredible story of the man behind both Paul Mitchell hair Care Products and petrone tequila. Bring the tequila in here. Thats next. Ring ring . Progresso its ok that your soup tastes like my homemade. Its our slow simmered vegetables and tender white meat chicken. Apology accepted. Im watching you soup people. Make it progresso or make it yourself you just got a big bump in miles. So this is a great opportunity for an upgrade. Sound good . Great. Because youre not you youre a whole airline. 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So hes ready for the real possibilities ahead. If you dont think top of my game when you think aarp then you dont know aarp. Find more surprisng possibilities and get to know us at aarp. Org possibilities. Really . Now youre really worried about he says that pictures a little old, because as you can see, louis uses a lot of gel. A lot of gel in his hair. I happen to use Paul Mitchell. And see look at that. Synergy. Synergy with the show today. Its that hair. Paul mitchell in your hair. That stuff is thank you. Amazing. I used Paul Mitchell gel in eighth grade. Joining us now john paul diorio founder of Paul Mitchell hair care and petrone tequila. That stuff is amazing. Like glue. People throw around rags to riches stories but his is a true rags to riches story. Incredible actually. To think about where you are now and where you were could you describe for us what rock bottom was like for you . You betcha. First thing, people have to know america still works. Free enterprise still works. We were all set in start in 1980. Had a backer with half a Million Dollars. I left everything i did to start this company. Of course, theres half a Million Dollars coming in. Changed his mind at the last moment. That same day. Nothing came in. He said inflation in the United States is 12. 5 . Unemployment 10. 5 . Interest rates if you could get a loan was 18 , and you had to wait in line for gasoline. Your hostages are still in iran. Havent been released yet. This makes no sense. Pulled out. There we were. No money. Had a whos we . My partner a hairdresser, and myself, and between us we came up with 700. He was on his last money. And i said okay. Lets just do this. I was too proud to ask my mom, who lived not far away. Mom, can i have my old room back . I was too proud. Im going to make it one way or another. I ended up sleeping in my car, and figuring out how to last off a few hundred dollars for a couple of weeks, and at the same time sell enough so within 30 days i could start paying some of the bills. It was tough. It was rainying too. When you hit rock bottom and nowhere to go, in your case like nothing weve experienced. Exactly. Usually depression takes over and you cant think positively. You cant make it to that next step to get on the road to success again. What was it . When was that moment when you, living in your car, actually knew you were going to get out of this . I knew that if enough people used our new Paul Mitchell products that were hairdresser, they would like it so much. Youre thinking about this living in your car . Oh yes. Thats the reason i made the decision not pounding on doors to go to work with somebody we knew if enough people ordered it they would reorder. Ill make it somehow. When you look up and ants are crawling over you, figure of speech, right . All you can do is up. Right . Its going to happen. Im going to make it. Its going to be tough and it was tough. We should have gone bankrupt every day for two years. I still cant believe from your car you had that outlook. Dr. Azhar, jump in. Next question . No. Next question what are your secrets to your success . Well i wouldnt say necessarily secrets. Its just that people should be prepared for a lot of rejection. I was living in the car. So if youre prepared for a lot of rejection, same thing when i was knocking door to door selling envike chloe pedias syasell ing encyclopedias. You have to be just as enthusiastic on door 51 as on the first door. You believe that what you have is so good if you tell enough people youre going to make it and be prepared for a lot of rejection and look at the bright side. I mean, its hard to do. Successful people do the things that unsuccessful people dont want to do. Especially keep yourself motivateded. But you have to believe in your initial idea. 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