win, you will be their next target. that's why israel's victory will be your victory. but make no mistake, regardless of who stands with israel, israel will fight until this battle is won. israel will prevail. >> just part of a defiant speech yesterday from israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu, where he rejected calls for a cease-fire and his resignation. we'll have more of his comments and get a live report from the israel-gaza border straight ahead. meanwhile, aid for israel is a top priority on capitol hill, but the two chambers have very different plans for delivering it. we'll go through that potential funding fight. also ahead, an update on the expected testimony from donald trump and his three oldest children in his civil fraud trial. plus, why a tentative new deal for auto workers is a win for the union and president bide biden. and the continued support for actor matthew perry, with his friends, co-stars, releasing a statement following his passing. we'll read for you their emotional comments. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, october 31st. happy halloween. >> happy halloween. >> yeah. along with joe, willie, and me, we have the host of -- >> that's it? >> that's how we do it. >> where are you going as? the kids? >> no. >> willie, you have to do the "today" show thing. >> i can't tell you. >> don't tell anybody. >> you have to watch us at 10:00. watch the west coast feed of the "today" show. >> what are your kids doing? >> the youngest is going as shoeless joe jackson. >> wow. >> old school white house jersey. >> gambling on the game? >> he has the draftkings app on his phone. then the oldest is -- you know how you drive by a car wash or car dealership, they have the things. >> sure. >> hilarious. >> he has an inflatable thing. >> sounds great. >> not bad. >> two really good costumes. >> i'm going as a tired person. >> again this year? >> again. it's a staple for me. >> poor thing. >> rev, any? >> i've been telling my daughter i want to take my 4-year-old grandson trick-or-treating to trump tower. i want the donald trump costume. >> yeah. >> one of my daughters was polly pocket. cute. do you know what it is? >> i don't know what that is. >> anyhow, former chairman of the republican national committee, michael steele, is with us, as well. good to have you, michael. let's jump to the news. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is rejecting the growing international calls for a cease-fire in its war against hamas. instead, at a press conference yesterday, netanyahu asked other nations' support for israel's fight. >> just as the united states would not agree to a cease-fire after the bombing of pearl harbor or after the terrorist attack of 9/11, israel will not agree to a cease-fire with hamas after the horrific attacks on october 7th. calls for a cease-fire are calls for israel to surrender to hamas, to surrender to terrorism, to surrender to barbarism. that will not happen. this is a time for war. a war for our common future. today, we draw a line between the forces of civilization and the forces of barbarism. it is a time for everyone to decide where they stand. israel will stand against the forces of barbarism until victory. i hope and pray that civilized nations everywhere will back this fight, because israel's fight is your fight. >> netanyahu also defended his own actions surrounding the war. his political opponents have called for his resignation over his failure to prevent the october 7th attacks. some have also accused the prime minister of punishing innocent civilians by cutting off electricity, food, and other supplies to gaza. >> the only thing that i intend to have resign is hamas. we're going to resign them to the dustbin of history. that's my goal. that's my responsibility. that's what i'm leading the country to do. not a single civilian has to die. hamas merely has to let them go to the safe zone that we created in southeastern gaza strip. there's a safe zone there. not a single civilian has to die. but hamas is preventing them from leaving, keeping them in the areas of conflict. i think that you should direct your questions to hamas, but i can tell you one thing, we're going out of our way to prevent civilian casualties. >> willie, i think for many supporters of israel, right message in many ways, wrong messenger. certainly, him defending himself in the lead up to the attacks, that's not a message that the overwhelming majority of people in israel believe. there's no way they could believe that. he left israelis completely vulnerable to the most vicious attack since the holocaust. again, i think it's wildly inappropriate for him to -- but, of course, it's what he is going to do. but to somehow try to tangle, entangle israel's survival with his own. but, again, many things he said, true. we wouldn't have talked about a cease-fire on december 8th, 1941, or september 12th, 2001. also, very true that hamas has hidden behind civilians their entire career. we said this the day after the attacks. we said, when a jew dies, that's a victory for hamas. when a palestinian dies, that's a victory for hamas. they are just excited about palestinians dying, maybe even more than they are when jews die, because they consider that a victory. that's why they hide in hospitals. that's why they hide in apartment buildings. that's why they hide behind civilians. again, i think most supporters of israel would agree with benjamin netanyahu in many ways, except the benjamin netanyahu part. he was responsible for that. not just directly by israel sleeping and the defense forces sleeping and him obsessing over wars against the courts instead of war against hamas. also, because what he did for well over a decade, doing everything he could to avoid peace talks that would lead to a two-state solution. he was so obsessed with the west bank and so obsessed to allowing religious extremists to bulldoze down palestinian homes for political purposes, because he knew that would help him with the far right, the far right religiously politically, that he took his eyes off the terrorists who promised to kill jews. took his eyes completely off of it for political reasons. yeah, that speech last night, a little discordoned for a lot of people, and i'll say including myself, that are fierce defenders of israel. you can't be a fierce defender of israel and listen to what benjamin netanyahu said and go, "yeah, yeah, that sounds about right." 80% of people inside of israel think he is responsible. >> well, that's the thing. in this moment of national unity inside of israel, there is dissent about the man leading the country right now, big dissent. you hear it in the questions he's asked in the news briefings. he has built his reputation as a national security hawk, as the man who can protect israel from all the aggressors that surround it, every minute of every day. >> right. >> october 7th, that all fell to pieces. the fact that people could walk across the border, effectively, and murder a couple thousand civilians, that fell away for him. he is vulnerable to that. his argument now, joe, is there will be time to talk about who is responsible. there will be a time for that. right now, we have to crush hamas. >> well, jonathan, willie is exactly right. >> i wouldn't want to put off that conversation. >> why? you'd want the same people that allowed the attacks to happen on october 7th to lead this war? no. because he put clowns around him. i have friends in israel that told me for a year that he was taking out the pros and bringing in idiots and clowns. >> what does that sound like? >> yeah, what does that sound like? sounds like donald trump in the united states. again, they didn't tell me this on october 8th. they were telling me this in june and july. they were telling me it's a certain kind of show over there. and i had warnings time and time again, people saying time and again, "he's dividing the very people who protect our existence." willie is right, you know, he's built himself up as this hawk through the years. he will be remembered as the man who was responsible for the greatest slaughter of jews worldwide since the holocaust. i'm not saying that. israelis are saying that. the ones who were there. the ones who lost sons. the ones who lost daughters. the ones who lost kids, who lost parents, who lost grandparents. they're the ones saying it. that's why he can't go out and answer questions from israelis. that's why the cabinet ministers won't go out to the people. they know they're responsible. >> yeah, his legacy will be that he took his eye off the ball. the number one job for an israeli prime minister is to keep citizens safe. his focus was the battle of the courts, settlements, appeasing the far-right members of his coalition, and he lost the -- you know, he lost the ability to keep those israelis safe. he's facing a lot of questions now. there's real sense in the biden white house that his days politically are numbered. they suspect he'll keep his position through the first wave of the war, but polls suggest israelis want a new leader. >> let's go to the israel-gaza border. chief foreign correspondent richard engel is there. weigh in on this topic of prime minister netanyahu and also the latest on the israeli push inside gaza. >> reporter: so the prime minister's career is definitely in trouble. there is anger building against him. every time he speaks to local press or foreign press, he is facing questions, whether he should resign, whether he will accept responsibility for failing to anticipate the attacks of october 7th, and failing to respond in a timely manner. these attacks that took place on that day took place over the course of several hours, where hamas was able to go from community to community butchering people, taking hostages. now, some israelis are saying that he is doing this campaign to both attack hamas but also to try and save his own political career, potentially at the expense of the hostages. there are, every night in tel-aviv, vigils by the families of the hostages. they're trying to stay apolitical, trying not to criticize the government, butne. they say, "one day when this is over, we will express our opinions about the prime minister and what needs to be done." in a major development, the first hostage has been freed by israeli troops. israeli troops operating in gaza. a young israeli woman, she was taken by hamas from a guard tower in a kibbutz. 12 soldiers were killed in the attack and several others along with her remain as hostages. but inside gaza, one thing that cannot be mentioned -- is important to mention, he talked about a safe zone in southern gaza. our reporters in gaza say there is nothing like a safe zone. israeli strikes continue all across the gaza strick, including in the south. the idea that there is some safe haven where palestinians can go and not come under attack is simply -- >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel, thank you for your reporting, as always. good news, the 19-year-old soldier was released, but 14 remain, according to the israeli government. >> agony for the families. we'll be returning back to this story throughout the four hours of "morning joe." let's get to politics here at home. in his first major move since becoming speaker of the house, mike johnson has taken the bipartisan goodwill of providing aid for israel and is launching a fight with president biden over his signature achievement, while setting up a clision course with the senate. house rubcans released the details of their aid package for israel yesterday. it includes $14.3 billion in emergency fundin here's the catch, the bill rescinds that same amount of irs funding from the inflation reduction act. the act is the major climate health care and tax law that president biden signed into law last year. the gop bill also focuses solely on israel, despite president biden's request for aid to both israel and ukraine. the measure is set to be considered by the rules committee when the house returns tomorrow and a vote in the full chamber could happen later this week. speaker johnson spoke about the bill to fox news in an interview set to air later this afternoon. >> we understand what's at stake here, and i hope that everyone will put politics aside, get that bill over the line. we're going not just printing money and sending it overseas. the other concern we have overriding this is our own strength as a nation, which is tied to our fiscal stability. that's a big problem we have, as well. we have to keep it in mind as we try to help everyone else. >> if the bill passes, the republican controlled house, the irs provisions are all but guaranteed to be rejected by the democratic-led senate and the white house, setting up a clash over how to approve the aid to israel and, of course, leaving ukraine out of the conversation. >> leaving ukraine out. michael steele -- >> great start. >> -- it's remarkable, remarkable how tone deaf, how tone deaf my former party is. >> i know. >> they are actually putting billionaires between the protection of israel and the united states congress. they are slashing funding for the irs to go after billionaire tax cheats. let me say that again. they're taking the money that was passed, they're taking the money and they're gutting the irs' ability to go after rich pl billionaire tax cheats. they think this is the solution. i'd say, i have a solution. why don't we just have a billionaire tax? like, all the parts of the trump tax cuts that were giveaways to billionaires and multinational corporations, why don't we take that money from the multinational corporations that got massive windfalls and did the stock buybacks, take all of the billions that billionaires got from the trump tax cuts, why don't we take that money and help the israelis instead of having the republicans in the house try to help billionaire tax cheats? it's breathtaking, michael. it's breathtaking. >> at this point, it is beyond breathtaking. you just realize the crass political nature of it. you know, all of the soft tones and the, you know, new look of the speaker belies the fact that, at the end of the day, they're going to try to do the all set game. now, we're concerned about the cost of things. now, we're concerned because, oh, some people in the base are upset we're sending money overseas. those weren't concerns before. they spent $8 trillion under donald trump. to your point, go back and look at all of that money. go to that budget that you set up that really allow for the wealthiest of the country to benefit. if you're really that concerned, this idea of setting up a fight with the president right as the critical juncture of israel, ukraine, and just the general thrust of where the global setting is going, to me, is an unnecessary fight. but this is what it's all about, joe. this is not about the seriousness of budgeting, budget policy, the seriousness of economic and fiscal health of the country. it is about, okay, you want money for israel, then pay for it out of the program that we disagreed with but, oh, we voted for it in the first place. >> yeah. it's fascinating. we have this mike johnson guy who was part of a congress that spent more money and drove us deeper into debt over a four-year period than any congress in the history of the united states of america. in fact, mike johnson and donald trump, together, ran up debt more in four years than america did in its first 210 years of existence. that's how serious mike johnson was. oh, we have to pay for it. did anybody -- i'm sorry. i'm sorry. i don't follow the news. i don't have to with the job i'm in. did anybody ever hear mike johnson holding up a bill under donald trump because it wasn't paid for? in all of the $8 trillion, he just opened the door, "here, just drive the trucks through of debt." 1 billion, $2 billion, mike johnson, $3 billion, $5 billion, $7 billion, $8 billion. $8 billion mike johnson and donald trump gave america in debt, and suddenly, he won't even help jews protect themselves. it is so gross. and, making it even grosser, he says, this is what we're going to do. we'll protect the jews if you protect the billionaires. we want billionaire tax cheats to get away with stealing more money from the american people. we'll let you protect the jews, joe biden, but you have to let us protect our donors, our billionaire donors that are tax cheats. i've never, truly, heard of a dumber plan to start a speakership than to put jews' lives in danger so you could protect billionaire tax cheats. and he knows. he knows this is never going to pass. they're not going to let billionaires continue to cheat on their taxes. he knows this. yet, that's what he said. "we'll let you, joe biden, protect the jews, let democrats protect the jews, but you have to let us republicans protect billionaire tax cheats." it's just so grotesque. >> it is not only politically dumb and grotesque, this is a guy who professes to be this ardent, practicing, moral christian. so you're saying that we are not going to vote to protect not only israelis, we are still having 240 people hostage there while we have this debate, and the debate is we're going to take care of our billionaires, or we're not going to give the money you want for israel. and, by the way, democracy, we're not even going to discuss ukraine. take that off the table of dealing with fighting to protect democracy in terms of ukraine and russia. this is his opening act. >> i didn't even get to ukraine. he's basically said, let put putin have his way. >> that's right. >> let vladimir putin have his way. if hamas wants their way with the jews, if we can't protect our billionaires, let them have their way with the jews. he is lying through his teeth when he talks about, we have too big of a debt. he didn't care when he and donald trump were running up the largest debt in american history. >> it's their debt. >> it's their debt. >> it's the debt they created. now, you want to deal with your debt that you and donald trump, who is clearly his hero, that you created by saying, "hostages, don't worry about it. i'm not worried about the safety of israelis. and i'm not going to even deal with democracy to ukraine. we have to protect our billionaires, and you take care of the israelis and hostages, and putin can have his way." this is his opening act as the speaker of the house. >> this is the new speaker, jonathan, saying, look, we're defunding the irs, just like we chanted and talked about. he is doing it as a condition of giving support to israel. we should point out to our viewers, this isn't how this works typically. >> yes. >> emergency funding or aid to an ally, you can negotiate the number up and down, that's reasonable and responsible, but to say, "hold on a second, you're not getting that unless i get what i want on a pet domestic issue on taking money away from the irs." it is a new thing for a new speaker. >> truly is. we're hearing pay fors and offsets. that's not what this is. this is another effort to undo the debt ceiling deal that president biden struck with kevin mccarthy earlier in the year. it is trying to undo part of the biden signature legislation from a year ago, which republicans opposed. it is also politically foolish, to joe's point, not just on national security issues, which is paramount, endangering israeli lives and ukrainian lives, but also in terms of the political side. if they simply said, vote on israel, then you put democrats there a box. are you going to oppose israeli funding because there's not ukraine attached? they didn't do that. instead, they connect it to this, the irs defending billionaires. it is political malpractice. also, it gives democrats an easy way out, oppose it no problem. the white house can say, this is not okay. we have to go back to the drawing board. >> that's what i don't understand, michael steele. they're so stupid that they would actually, again, they'd let the hostages just languish. they'd let joe biden be the champion of israel even more. joe biden wanting to get money to israel and them blocking it, basically telling israel and the jews to go to hell unless they get something. again, it is mind boggling. it's mind boggling! "no, joe biden, we're not going to help you help jews and help israel, unless you let billionaires cheat on their taxes. unless you gut the irs so much, your billionaire friends, republicans' billionaire friends can cheat on their taxes." it is such malpractice. they're basically saying to joe biden, "you side with israel. we'll side with tax cheats." i'm sorry, i'm not good at this politics thing, but i don't think that's going to poll well in wisconsin. >> it's not. but, again, joe, this is not geared towards your typical voter in wisconsin or in a michigan or anywhere else in the country. this is keyed toward a maga base that has been hyped up to believe one thing about ukraine and another about israel's funding, not so much the israeli story, the backstory about the hostages and the attacks. that, everyone is like, oh, my god, no. but when it comes to the funding, you've got this emerging narrative that, somehow, to the point of everyone at the table, what's in balance is support for israel versus support for the irs. i'm sitting here going, what? >> what in the world? >> how does that work? does israel have an irs we didn't know about? i don't understand. >> yeah. >> americans are going to sit there and scratch their heads over this, but they don't care. i mean, you know, to the rev's point, this is the opening conversation that the new speak speaker wantings wants to have with the president of the united states in the middle of a crisis. let's elevate our concerns about the irs and the 80,000 employees that were added to their ranks, for what purpose? oh, i don't know, collecting taxes from billionaires and everyone else who tries to cheat the system, to pay for all the stuff that they claim we need to pay for. so this is incongruent with everything we know from the past, joe, about how you negotiate this type of request from the president. >> right. >> as willie said, the numbers go up and down. we all know how that works. okay, you want $130 billion. i'll give you $120 billion. okay, have that conversation. then to say, well, you get the money only if you cut the irs, you just look stupid. >> yeah, they do. >> great start. >> and cold and harsh. >> yes. still ahead, we're going to tell you about the new steps being taken by the biden white house to combat the major uptick in anti-semitic incidents on college campuses since the hamas terror attacks. >> it is bad, willie. it is so awful on college campuses. >> every day, there's something new. >> for jewish kids, unbelievable. plus, what matthew perry's co-stars are saying about the loss of their beloved castmate. we're back in a moment. the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch. built with rotisserie-style chicken and double cheese. i love what i'm seeing here. that's some well-coached chicken. you done, peyton? the subway series just keeps gettin' better. hi, my name is damion clark. if you have both medicare and 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had been struggling for many, many years. he talked about -- >> he was a fighter. >> -- watching himself on "friends" and saying, i see a guy who is lost. i know what was happening in his life off the screen. >> yeah. >> we don't know why exactly he died the other day, but such a sad moment for one of the stars of the biggest shows in the history of tv. >> yeah. i do hope that he will be remembered for -- >> the work. >> -- fighting recovery and the work of trying to help other people. mike, i know when i was young and i saw somebody who had addiction problems, you looked at him, and we all did, as problematic and different. as you get older and you -- i mean, i have friends that struggled with addiction, some who didn't survive, you understand. every day they wake up is a battle. what really, really hit me and made sense to me -- it might not make sense to people who have never been around people that have had real addiction problems -- but when he said, "i'm saying this to help other people. i may not be able to help myself maybe i can't take this advice myself sometimes, but i'm trying, but i can help other people." it is a daily battle. some days you win. some days you lose. some days, unfortunately, there's tragedy, like the tragedy that visited him. >> you know, one of the untold stories in america, joe, is that what happened here, what we're talking about right now, is a universal in this country. nearly every family in this country either has been touched by addiction or knows a family member, cousin, whatever, who also has been touched by it. matthew perry's gift was he spoke to this. >> yes. >> strongly. >> exactly. >> consistently. a lot of people who have been addicted over the years want to hide it, run from it. >> avoid. >> they don't want any publicity about it. they're in recovery every six months or so, every other couple of years. it is a universal in america, a country addicted to addiction. matthew perry spoke to this. >> yes. >> gene, i'm sorry, we're about to talk to gene robinson. rev, it doesn't matter, really, what your background is, what your faith is, how much -- you know, this isn't like a question of, to you love jesus or do you love alcohol? are you a faithful christian or an observant jew? you know, it is often a battle, those two things existing together at the same time, and just a terrible battle. you've ministered to people throughout your adult life that have had trouble with addiction. >> and family members i've had to deal with. the thing that i most admired about matthew is he owned it. he said, "i have a problem." >> yes. >> because everyone that i've dealt with, whether they've been stars in entertainment or a cousin, they all justify it. it's because of this. it's not really bad, but it was caused by my environment. once you own it, then you can begin to heal. you can't -- you cannot be healed unless you first admit you're sick. matthew taught the world that. i'm sick. i'm dealing with it, but i'm sick. you can never heal people, even jesus couldn't heal people until they first said, "i have an infirmity." as long as you deny the infirmity, you'll never heal. >> he talked about it. i know there are people who are struggling with addiction right now going back, looking at those videos. his tragedy opening some doors now for people having problems. loved ones who have friends with problems or children with problems, i'm sure they're looking at what he said. it is going to resonate and is going to have an impact. i brought up gene. a guy we just love, a member of our family. we feel like he is our brother. we're so, so grieving for gene this morning. >> yes, we are. our hearts are broken for our dear friend and really member of the "morning joe" family. gene robinson and his family. on saturday, gene's wife of 45 years, avis collins robinson, passed away after a brave battle with cancer. an artist, she was known for her paintings and abstract quilts that explore america's tensions over 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>> 2001 rematch, yankees again. >> the fourth place, they weren't even sniffing the world series. our teams were -- >> you and my dad were the only two people -- >> i stand by it. >> -- in 2001. >> your dad, too? >> yeah. >> i said, seriously, dad? >> she was cheering for the diamondbacks. i said, i thought you loved lee greenwood. >> there is no justification for cheering for the diamondbacks. >> i loathe the yankees. i cheered for the yankees in 2001. >> i defended this on the show. in a time of national tumult, stay true to who you are. if i rooted for the yankees, the terrorists would have won. i rooted for the diamondbacks, and they won. >> i think you have it backwards. the lions won last night. >> they did. >> pretty good. >> beat the raiders by two touchdowns. >> lions are a great story. >> i love their coach. >> amazing. they're a great, dynamic team. last year, they were 1-5. we were going, how are they 1-5? this is a great team. sure enough, they've taken off. >> i remember when the lions were the pivotal team, the thanksgiving day football game. televised nationally, lions and bears every year. >> this year we'll want to see the lions on thanksgiving. >> yeah. >> not against the bears. >> they're running the division. vikings lost their quarterback, kirk cousins injury. there's jared goff throwing a touchdown pass to the rookie tight end. >> goff, man, has been underrated his entire nfl career. that guy is really coming through. >> yeah. he had trouble in the super bowl against the patriots defense. belichick played some mind games. he's bounced back with the lions. he is a good quarterback, and that is an explosive offense. >> happy for the city. you hope it keeps rolling for them. >> once they got the raise. >> it's true. >> i'll celebrate. >> what a crazy week in the nfl, though. the niners. i thought three weeks ago, the 49ers would be undefeated. >> yeah. brock is struggling right now. >> little bit. >> the chiefs had beaten the broncos 16 straight times. they were crushed. >> the chiefs, man, they've been -- even in their victories, they haven't looked sharp. they've been struggling. it is very strange. that's a team that can struggle and figure out how to win, end up in the super bowl again. but they've been struggling. >> they depend so much on the quarterback. he's much of their team. >> good guy to depend on if you have to. >> there is something wrong there physically, i think. >> taylor swift can't do it all. >> oh, my gosh. >> can't do it all. >> she wasn't there sunday. that's why they lost. >> exactly. >> willie, want to weigh in on the worst football game ever played? >> by the way, i'm not going to argue with you. i was embarrassed to watch the game. the fans and the rain, it was like, ah. how they handed the game to the jets, i'll never know. >> alex was reminding me. it is bad when they walk off the field and they confiscate the helmets and pads. burn them. burn them out in the parking lot. >> what do they call it? >> metlife stadium. >> is that what it is now? >> dreadful place. >> can i call it the meadowlands? >> yeah. >> why didn't they put the stadium in new york? i know we would have had a little traffic but i don't care. >> plop it down where hudson yard ended up being. still ahead, we'll get back to the big stories of the day. also ahead, a closer look at the rise in anti-semitism connected to the israel-hamas war. we'll be joined by a prosecutor in new york state who says the terrorist attack on israel was a big factor in her decision not to seek re-election. 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>> we believe in the right of peaceful protest. nobody wants to see peaceful protest turn violent or turn dangerous. >> reporter: in the u.s., the biden administration is announcing new steps to fight anti-semitism and islamophobia on college campuses, including federal agencies improving coordination between campus law enforcement and state and local counterparts. at columbia university. >> there are jewish students who do not feel physically safe on campus. >> reporter: at cornell, police are guarding the center for jewish living after the university says a series of horrendous anti-semitic messages threatening violence was found online. molly goldstein is the president. >> what is the fear on campus right now. >> all students are terrified. people don't know what to do with themselves and whether they should stay or leave campus. >> reporter: the antidefamation league reports since the war began, anti-semitic incidents in the u.s. are up nearly 400% from the same period last year. as the man accused of stabbing a 6-year-old palestinian-american boy to death near chicago pleaded not guilty, muslim leaders are reporting an uptick in islamophobia nationwide, with the council on american-islamic relations citing 800 complaints this month. incidents like this at american university, where a palestinian i.t. specialist says someone slid a note under his door, threatening, go back to where you came from. you might get lucky with a missile and meet your allah sooner. >> this whole eerie feeling took over. my heart sank. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez reporting. willie, we have been talking about it for some time, obviously talked about our concern for not only jewish students but muslim students. the uptick in anti-semitism worldwide, just off the charts, whether you're in russia, whether you're in london. you have jews in london afraid to show any signs of their faith because they're so targeted. and we talked about it before, on college campuses, it is outrageous, and i've heard from far too many people who have children on college campuses, that jewish kids have disappeared. a lot of them have disappeared, at times afraid to go out, because the anti-semitism on college campuses. this has always been a problem in america. it just has. especially in the elite universities. anti-semitism, we talked about it. i've talked about it for the last 30 years. anti-semitism on college campuses, especially elite campuses, campuses like columbia have been historically horrendous, and it is being exposed now. the leaders have got to step up and do something. >> they haven't, by and large. they've given merely mouth responses to most of what we're seeing on the campuses. you're right, it is not just the stuff we report. we hear it anecdotally. it's not the veiled anti-semitism we've become accustomed to and understand. it's become, kill the jews. just saying it out loud on college campuses. >> the justification all over, college campuses all over, the justification of shooting babies in cribs, beheading israelis, burning grandmothers, just the worst things in the world. on college campuses, we have people chanting at jews, thatco looks like. >> some professors, by the way. there's been a culture the last 10, 15 years of emotional safety for students. you're in a classroom, hear an opinion you disagree with, you feel unsafe, they put you in a room with coloring books to feel safe. >> they bubble wrap everybody, except jews, you can be okay with jews being slaughtered. suddenly, oh, we don't use bubble wrap at the campus, right? >> now, you have actual safety of jewish students across the country, and not nearly enough is being done to protect them. >> nothing. we really aren't. the stories firsthand that i'm hearing, rev, are outrageous. i want to commend you again. talked about your friendship and your relationship with jonathan greenblatt and the adl. man, you were making good trouble this weekend in tallahassee. you delivered a powerful sermon to some college students. tell us about it. >> we -- i was there because of governor desantis, what he is doing, what he's done against affirmative action. but then i met with students. i told them the blatant anti-semitic -- >> fam-u, right? >> we have a chapter of the national action network there. i was saying the blatant anti-semitism, anti-jewish statements and islamophobia i'm seeing in some campuses around the country. if they were saying this about us blacks, we'd be marching. why are we having laryngitis here? we challenge jews to stand with us with george floyd, whatever the case may be. you can't have a sliding morality. you're morally outraged, period, or you're not. which is why i stood up when the israeli attacks happened, and a lot of people said, wait a minute, let's see what happens. what do you mean? they killed 1,300 people, women, children beheaded. what am i waiting for? >> right. >> later, i can disagree with netanyahu, which i do disagree with. one has nothing to do with the other. you don't have the moral standing to stand for yourself if you don't stand for others. some of the -- this is not disagreeing with policy, to say kill the jews. this is not about whether you agree or not with what the settlements are, which all of us have different opinions. >> right. >> to say you're going after jews or to say muslims ought to see allah earlier. this is an outrage. people not jewish or muslim need to stand up. >> i don't want to speak for anybody else, but i believe we need to fiercely defend israel's right to defend itself. 15 million jews worldwide. there is not a safe jew in the world today. israel created because 6 million jews slaughtered during the holocaust. laryngitis is a great word. where is that happening right now, mike? i just got back from l.a. let me tell you, hollywood, if an acorn falls from a tree the wrong way, you know, actors will get out and speak about it, right? writers will get out and speak about it. suddenly, silence has fallen over hollywood. suddenly, people don't want to get political. they don't want to get political about babies being shot up in their cribs or burned in their cribs. or kids going to music festivals and facing just, seriously, killing squads reminiscent of the nazis in germany, going into other european countries. silence in hollywood. >> part of it, i think, is in the coverage. it begins on day one, two weeks ago, when 1,400 people were slaughtered. right outside the gaza strip by palestinians. they came to kill israelis. no, they didn't. they came to kill jews. that's why hamas is in business, to kill jews, not israelis. in atlanta, there's a center for communicable diseases, where the government spends a lot of money studying diseases. anti-semitism is the oldest disease we live with. we live with it each and every day. stunningly, in this day and age, it's grown explosively. on college campuses, everywhere, you wonder, how did they get into college? how did they, with these beliefs? >> because the presidents of the college can't even condemn it. did you see how long it took -- >> five tries at harvard. >> -- at harvard? five tries at harvard to say raping teenage girls and shooting kids at concerts and burning babies is terrorism and it's unacceptable. five tries. >> mike mentioned mimi. joining us, district attorney for westchester county, mimi rocah. you announced you will not run for re-election in 2024, and you cited the israel-hamas war as one of the reasons. you wrote in part this, as i approached the decision whether to run for a second term, my thoughts have been occupied in recent weeks by the terrorist attack on israel and the afrmath, which has profoundly and personally impacted me in ways i did not expect. can you tell us more about this decision and that factor in your decision? >> absolutely. you know, this was a very hard decision. it's a hard decision to step away from public servant. >> deeply personal. >> what happened on october 7th, that massacre, has brought up a feeling in me, and i know i speak for so many jewish people and non-jewish people who have been in shock, frankly, at the level of anti-semitism that i knew was there, but to see it rise up above the surface the way it has in this country. my father, not some distant relative, my father escaped the nazis in 1940, okay. i am here because he was one of the lucky ones. so many of us see what is happening now, and i understand now how the holocaust happened. what is different now is, first of allies. we have people who are willing to speak out for us. i thank you for that, rev. and to all of you shining a light on this. and we have people in government who are there to protect us. i need to find a way to be able to use my voice in this time in that way. i have been the kind of d.a. i wanted to be. i think i've made the change i wanted to make, lasting change, but also served with integrity. running for re-election while you're a sitting d.a., it wouldn't allow me to be the kind of prosecutor i know to be, which is to keep politics out of it. it is something we talk about on this show all the time. how do we keep outside influence and politics out of the criminal justice system, right? trump influencing doj. that's something we talk about all the time. i have managed to keep outside influence away from my decisions. that's how i know to be a prosecutor. so i feel really good about what i've done and what we have accomplished in the office. i think it is lasting change, exonerating an innocent man by dna, which is the longest standing wrongful conviction in american history. that is the kind of thing i feel proud of and i can leave feeling good about, but move on to something else. there are so many big, burning issues in this world. you know, i don't know exactly what's next. i didn't do this to go jump into something else, but i know that there's something pulling me in a different direction right now. >> you are right. there are so many burning issues out there. you've talked about one of them, which is the lead editorial in the "wall street journal." "the global war on the jews." let me say that again because it is so right. this is not a war against zionism. this is not a war against israel. anybody who tells you that are liars. this is a war on the jews. it's a war that the jews have been fighting for thousands and thousands of years, 6 million jews slaughtered in the holocaust. one jewish state and that state under attack. there are people, elites all over the world, saying that they shouldn't even have one state so it can happen never again. i'll read from this. the global war on jews clarified it for the west. decades after the civilizational catastrophe of the holocaust, vowing never again to allow itse to slide into barbarism. what we see now, the attacks on jews, is how that slide began. before there was chandler hitler in '53, there were rounds inflicting political and anti-semitic violence on the streets of germany. they too often went unchecked by police, prosecutors, and politicians who didn't understand the menace, sympathized with the offenders -- does that sound familiar on college campuses -- or merely felt overwhelmed by the scale of the danger. hitler gained power, in part, because the german state couldn't maintain a monopoly on violence in defense of democratic values. today's threats are different, but one lesson is the same and crystal clear. a western society that can't or won't muster the will to defend its jewish neighbors and fellow citizens won't be able to defend itself, willie. where does that start? it starts with where and what we teach our students. and i want to know, and i'm glad the biden administration is doing something about it, i want to know how people are allowed to lead the most elite universities in america and they are morally confused and baffled by what they call the raping of women and burning of babies. >> to most of us, this doesn't seem like a hard one, to make a call about morality, about what happened. the human reaction would be, my god, it's grotesque and among the worst things i've ever read or heard about in my entire life. not to go either, it's not so bad, or, yeah, and then here comes the second clause of the sentence, yes, but. to not be able to condemn what happened on october 7th unequivocally is a huge moral failing. we can also put this into context, like we've been talking about. the history of israel, all that stuff, benjamin netanyahu. we've been talking about him this morning. to not, especially as an academic leader, to not be able to say, guys, i hear your protests down there, but this is wrong. this is wrong. >> it hurts. >> you're allowed to protest, but you're not allowed to say, certainly on our campus, "kill the jews," and for some reason, it's not happening. i don't get it. >> dartmouth said, this is rad l radical. let's talk about it. they got three professors, rev. one, i believe, in arab studies. one who had a more pro-israeli position, and a third. they were all friends. they were personal friends. they had wildly divergent views on what was happening. what'd they do? got up before the students and said, we'll have respectful talk. we're going to teach you that people who disagree can disagree with respect. also, they didn't say this, but i can. two things can be true at the same time. this is terrorism. hamas must be destroyed. and, and the israeli government, after this is over, as ignatius and haass and everyone else is saying, as they destroy hamas, they have to be thinking about the day after. what the day after means is stop your illegal settlements in the west bank and move toward a two-state solution that not only keeps the palestinians safe, but here's the thing that is the lie of netanyahu, that it keeps the israelis safe. >> correct. >> he always suggested that a two-state solution put israelis in more danger. no, a two-state solution makes israelis safer. who are the people who believe that the most? the people who were slaughtered that day, many of them peace activists. >> that's right. >> trying to reach out to the palestinians, trying to live with the palestinians, believing, believing they could create a two-state solution. >> you know, i had one of the hostages' cousins on "politics nation" saturday night. he said, we were people to the left of center. my cousin, who is a hostage, was not a supporter of netanyahu. he's a hostage. they seem to have forgotten. the thing that really perplexes me, and i'm glad you talked about dartmouth, is we have this cancel culture going on. you can't say certain things even in an implying way about certain things. >> right. >> but you can say things about jews, about muslims? that's acceptable? you can say things in certain areas about blacks. until we start saying that we will not tolerate it against each other. the only thing i disagree with mimi about, i didn't speak up for jews. i spoke up for who i am. to be silent means i'm a hypocrite. when i'm standing up for blacks and want jews and others to stand up for me, i only want to use them and don't really believe in that. people need to ask themselves, who are you, that you can be silent in times like this? the other thing i'd say to mimi is, reverend richardson and others in westchester are planning a protest. >> all the people said, amen. >> mimi, final thoughts? >> i will find other ways to serve my community. you know, i just am -- i thank you for talking about this, especially on campuses. i joined a facebook group recently. you may have heard about it, mothers against anti-semitism on campuses. it group to 40,000 people in two days. this is an issue that goes across political lines. it crosses economic, you know, barriers. it is, how do we keep our kids safe? it's like gun violence. to have mothers who are getting texts from their kids that they're sheltering in their rooms because they're afraid of other students, i mean, we have to take this head on and call it out for what it is. this can't be america. it can't. >> that's happening every day. that will happen today for jewish students across america. >> it can't be happening. >> let me say also, of course, muslim students across america deserve the protection, to be able to go out and speak their mind with respect toward others, go to class, to and from class safety. it's up to the college presidents. there is not unfettered free speech on college campuses. my god, the speech codes of the last 30 years have shown that. so you're basically going to have speech codes on college campuses, and, like you said, rev, cancel people for saying things not really that offensive, yet you're letting anti-semitism will shouted at the top of people's lungs, anti-semitic posters plastered over the walls at the most elite universities. it's got to change. >> district attorney for new york's westchester county for 14 more months, thank you very much, mimi rocah, for coming on this morning. ahead on "morning joe," they brave hostile regimes and war zones to report on conflicts around the world. we'll welcome two recipients of the 2023 courage in journalism award from the international women's media foundation. plus, republican presidential candidate and former new jersey governor chris christie joins the table. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. my name is marie. i'm 49 years old and i'm a business owner. i own a lemonade and ice cream shop in florida, so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i'm still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i'm really, really happy with the results. it's still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch. built with rotisserie-style chicken and double cheese. i love what i'm seeing here. that's some well-coached chicken. you done, peyton? 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the response? crickets. but there is another option. th is, no labels makes good on its pledge to ensure trump is not elected by denying him victory in one or more of the key swing states. by putting a republican no labels candidate in th ballot, but only in the pivotal states, imagine a favorite son or daughter approach. in other words, backing a willing rublican who is particularly popular in a battleground state. mathematically, all you have to do is affect the outcome in a couple of these states to tilt the results in biden's favor. >> mark, this is what i haven't understood. >> that scares me. why does that scare me? >> i guess you want donald trump to win. >> no, i don't. i just -- >> so this is what i haven't understood about all the attacks no labels has been under. i've been hearing them for a year. you know, maybe we put paul ryan in wisconsin. maybe we put mitt romney, like you said before, in nevada. >> or utah. >> where he is popular. maybe we get tom ridge in pennsylvania. >> pat mccroy. doug ducey, arizona. >> by the way, you don't have to -- >> he's got this thought out. you need one or two states to take it away from trump. >> also, they don't have to get 20%. >> no. >> 3%. >> exactly. >> it's over. i mean, listen, republicans are trying to -- trump is trying to do this right now, was trying to do it with rfk jr., until he figured out that rfk jr. hurts him more than biden. >> listen, i supported joe biden in '20. i thought he was the right man for the moment. i disagree with the fact that he is running now. not because i don't think he's done a good job, he has. there's lots of good democrats who would be great candidates against donald trump. there is a great bench out there. i don't think he alone could do it. i wish he'd done the pelosi, preserve his legacy. but i've said to democrats all along, if we get to next may and donald trump is ahead by anything, much less double digits, what's the plan b? right now, in the last month, donald trump has lost 11 points of support among democrats. this is when he is doing, arguably -- >> biden. >> biden is losing 11 points among his own party at a time he's provided international leadership in israel. you can say the economy is doing pretty good, done a lot of great things. is it getting better next year when he is older? what is the plan b? >> isn't this where a lot of winning candidates have stood in the polls this far before an election? >> not at his years old. mika, it's a problem. i like him. there are younger people who could have stepped up but didn't. this is the point, if donald trump is ahead, what is the plan b? the no labels said clearly, despite people like third way and the lincoln project indicting their character and motives, they said, if we can't do the moonshot and win, we're not going to do it, right? it's improbable but it's not impossible. it's happened before. third parties won. lincoln won as a third party candidate. if they get to that point, and it looks like biden gets 35, trump, 35, they get 20, they pull it down. or they can do good on their pledge. joe lieberman said, we're going to ensure trump won't get re-elected. you take five states, three states, four, five states, and put up a no labels republican candidate in the states. >> favorite son or daughter. >> favorite daughter. >> it makes a lot of sense. >> trump loses the swing states, and biden wins. >> jonathan, let me ask you quickly about, i mean, the economy. come on. it's grown at over 4%. that's 1980s stuff. that's crazy. trump was bragging getting close to 3%, right? look at his international leadership. he's down 11 points in the democratic party. i'd ask what the white house is saying but the white house doesn't know because the numbers keep going south. >> they keep going south. they tried to take ownership of the economy with the bidenomics push in recent months. it didn't move the needle at all. in fact, the voters, poll after poll, suggest that voters are less content with the economy. they're more worried. the metrics, for the most part, are pretty good. there's some rumblings here, and no one is taking the dean phillips primary challenge seriously, but it is what he represents, there is an unhappiness among democratsdesp terrific record. mara, why is there a disconnect? the president has a stellar record. most democrats think he's done a good job. poll after poll suggest they don't want him to run again. is it just age? >> i think that malaise is very real. there can be, i think, experiences in people's everyday lives that are not reflected in the polls. i maintain, for example, the cost of housing, fears about sending children to school amid continuing gun violence, these things make us have a malaise about politics in general. then you have to look at who is in charge. most americans aren't as engaged as we are in the how and the why, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is going to translate when they go into the polling booth. when they see it, they see donald trump's name on the ticket. there's going to be a last-minute push by many democratic voters who are not engaged right now, not reading the news every day, who don't love joe biden. but it's a choice between joe biden and donald trump, a lot of people are going to be showing up. i guess one of the questions i had for you, mark, was, what is the evidence that a favorite son, for example, in a state like wisconsin, would draw votes from donald trump and not joe biden? >> yeah. >> if you're a republican, long-time republican voter, you don't want to vote for joe biden but you don't want to vote for donald trump. that's the voter. you need 1% or 2%, as joe said. >> by the way, i hear that so much from so many republicans. >> lots of republicans won't vote for biden but don't want to vote for trump, and they want to vote. >> my family that voted for trump in '16, in '20, though he called me a murderer 12 times, not that i'm counting, who in 2022 and 2023, completely exhausted. will not vote for him. will vote for any third party candidate. that's not showing up in the polls. mara, i take your point. so many times i thought in a voting booth i was going to vote for somebody, even with this job, i'll talk about something for a year and a half -- i'm talking like biden, swear to god, no lie. >> no hyperbole. >> what's that? >> no hyperbole. >> my daddy told me, joey. but i'll talk about an election for a year and a half, think i'll know exactly what i'm going to do, i'll walk into the voting booth and see the two names. i'll say, i can't vote for that person. >> i mean, this is -- >> people do that. that's the magic of democracy. isn't it? >> exactly. >> here's the other thing, you can get there, and it is a testable proposition. as lieberman said, if it is going to help trump, we're not doing it. how about a plan where you have another option, when trump is ahead of biden by ten points. >> it reminds me, the third term of michael bloomberg. people in new york, as they exited the polling puth, reporters were asking, who did you vote for and why? i voted for bloomberg. i'm a little depressed about it, but i did vote for him after all. he's doing a pretty good job. is that possible? >> i don't know. you don't like winning? you don't like legislation passed? you don't like a president who can navigate two world wars at the same time? honestly, i don't understand it. >> by the way, we can't even talk about this at home. >> going against a man indicted. it's not like he is running against a solid conservative republican. >> i think, also, wondering if people -- >> also, jonathan, there's a lot of things that provide data analysts inside the white house no comfort. that's another thing. donald trump is going to probably be tried in the washington case. i don't know how he's not found guilty. >> he's already been found to be a fraudster. >> there's going to be a fourth trial, and that judge is going to hold firm. there's going to be a trial. >> right. we don't know how that'll impact. again, a year out, nobody knows. >> that's the one trial that there is an expectation will occur between now and the election. now, we talked about this yesterday. some in trump world, they think he shows up in the case, decentizes the image, and next year, it won't be as shocking. maybe it'll turn off less voters. we don't know if that'll be effective, but that's the theory here. rev, to mara's point, joe said it, the sanctity of the ballot box, people see the biden choice. democrats tell me they're worried about getting their base to go to the ballot books that day, to have the ability to have the binary choice. even people who may not love joe biden, they'll see donald trump's name and go, can't do that again, and go biden. but their core members of the democratic base, young people, black voters, per polling, don't want to show up that day. >> i think what's going to drive a lot of them that, right now, are being polled saying they're not coming out, is the overreach of a donald trump and now johnson, the speaker, what his opening act just showed us who he is. it's going to give people a real clear view of what the choices are. going to mara's point, i think that when you look at -- you know, when i've talked to people on my radio show, i talk to them every day, and say, joe biden you think is too old, but he's done infrastructure, inflation reduction, all that. name me the democrat you think can do that. there is no name they can come up with. >> and he's beaten trump. >> you cannot replace somebody with nobody. i think that that is going to work. but i think the biggest weapon the white house has is donald trump and now the speaker. they couldn't have chose a better cast of characters to run against in terms of turnout. >> and maybe plan b for no labels. >> scarborough and lieberman. >> oh, god. thank you for being on. coming up, republican presidential candidate chris christie is live in studio. we'll discuss where his campaign is now headed, as the gop 2024 field shrinks. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. 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that's right. that is what it means, i won't protect you. viktor orban, anybody ever hear of him? probably one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world. he's the leader of turkey. very strong man, as you know, from hungary, and he is the boss. hungary fronts on both ukraine and russia. if you spill a drop of american blood, we will spill a gallon of yours. hezbollah is smart. hezbollah and hamas. anyone ever heard of hamas terrorists? i want a shield over our country. if you don't like our religion, then we won't want you in your country and you are not getting in. what happened yesterday was incredible. so many people killed. very big number, very, very big number. vicious, too, young children just slaughtered. it's terrible what is going on. >> some of donald trump's -- >> i mean, hamas? it's out of an ali g. skit. says, i like hamas. you put the dip in it, carrots with it, hummus. >> everything, is he that -- >> he's lost. some of donald trump's greatest hits on foreign policy, domestic policy. we didn't even show you who he thinks he is running against. >> or where he thinks he is. >> he got that wrong in iowa. >> he did. south dakota. >> come on, he is in the wrong state. >> had to tell him, sir. >> joining us now -- >> it's really tough. to keep up with that and keep up who you're running against. who you beat, who you lost to. thinks he is running against barack obama, but he's not. one of the people, maybe the reason he doesn't know because he won't debate him, former new jersey governor chris christie. what do you think? you've known donald a long time like us. do you think when he gets up there and freaks out, can't remember joe biden's name, because you see him struggling. by the way, biden does it, too. when you say this, people go, biden does, too. they're both old men and both doing it, but he keeps saying he's running against barack obama. you see him struggling up there, trying to remember what decade he is in. do you think it's the pressure of 91 counts? what do you think it is? >> i think it's the stress of what he knows is coming in his criminal problems, and i think this week, because a lot of that was from the last week. >> yeah. >> that's all post-mark meadows. everyone watching needs to understand, from somebody who did this work for seven years, you don't give mark meadows immunity unless the evidence he has is unimpeachable. >> yeah. >> i said this yesterday. i want republican voters to understand this. what's going to be happening in march, he'll be sitting in a courtroom in washington, d.c., with mark meadows 20 feet away from him, saying he committed crimes in front of me, on my watch. not some rogue prosecutor, joe. >> i'll stop you for a second. >> former prosecutor. >> i want to stop you right there and underline what i've said. we have democrats watching this show, but i'm sure you know, we have a lot of republicans that are watching this show. i just want to say to my republican friends that are watching, everybody that is happening against donald trump, they're not editorial writers for "the new york times" or primetime hosts at msnbc. they are all trumpers who stayed with trump till the very end. >> look, this is a guy who was velcroed to trump's hip for the entire 2020 campaign and all the post campaign nonsense. so this is deadly. it's done. he's going to be convicted. >> but -- >> it's over. >> -- can't he run for president and delay, delay, delay, and get out of it? >> i don't think he can delay it. i don't have the impression this district court judge in washington is amenable to delay. she seems pretty -- >> it's a march 4th trial right now. >> mm-hmm. >> what do you think, maybe, give or take, a month? you think the judge may -- >> maybe it starts in april, maybe not. she's not given much to this point to the defense claims for delay. that's why jack smith indicted this case with just trump. because you don't have multiple defendants. >> yes. >> this is it. he left six unindicted co-conspirators. he learned from the documents case. i think he made a mistake in the documents case. >> interesting. >> by the way, they can bring cases against those other six later on. >> sure. >> if they don't cooperate. >> as long as it is in the statute of limitations, they can. >> let me ask this question. let's say the trial is in mid-march. lasts a month. he's convicted by mid-april. at least evidence we know, it looks like it is an uphill battle for the defense. i know trump's people say, we'll appeal. it is a d.c. circuit judge, right? it's a judge. it'll go to the d.c. circuit and then the supreme court. they're going to expedite this, aren't they? this is not going to be a year. >> i think they would. remember, once you're convicted by a jury, you're convicted. >> right. >> he's going to have all kinds of new restrictions placed on him as now a convicted felon. his travel, his speech, all the things he can do. he's on bail right now, let's remember. >> right. >> once you're convicted, you have the right to remand him immediately if you wanted to. >> a former president, though? >> no, i don't think they will. the point is, when that is the extreme alternative, you can place all kinds of restrictions on him and say, you don't like those? we'll send you to jail. >> stay home. >> could be house arrest. >> ankle bracelet. >> different things could happen, where he is going to travel. he has to go to probation to get permission to travel. >> what is he convicted of? >> january 6th, obstructing congress. the actions he took was obstructing congress. that is the main and biggest charge he is going to wind up being convicted of. i think that meadows, from what we're reading and being told he is going to say, and it makes sense to me, knowing what was going on then in the white house, is that everyone with any credibility was telling him it wasn't stolen. you didn't win. you lost. that's everybody. that's meadows. that's pat cipollone. that's bill barr. that's bill stepien, his campaign manager. everybody has testified they were telling him, you lost. there is nothing here. add to it they filed 60 lawsuits to try to challenge the results and went 0 for 60. you have to get the state of mind. what was he thinking? well, it's not just subjective, him saying, well, i didn't think it so who cares? what is the objective evidence that was being presented to you? was it reasonable for you to have that state of mind? i think any jury would conclude, given all those people testifying, that it was a reasonable inference to know he lost. >> in the january 6th committee, we saw everybody around him telling him, you know, give up the ghost. call this off. as the governor said, not just the 60, 62 federal court decisions against him, the supreme court with alito and -- >> thomas. >> -- and thomas, writing a concurring opinion, saying, listen, there are not enough votes out there to change this election. we should hear it on the other grounds. you have the most conservative justices calling b.s. on donald trump, as well. >> and he kept going anyway. here we are. i've told joe and mika this before, governor. i grew up under a preacher, and i knew guys in the neighborhood getting in trouble. "rev, i need you to look out for me. i caught a case." i've never met anybody who said, "i caught four cases." but a broader question, we spend a lot of time on the show talking about israel, hamas, and what's going on. how do we look to the world when you have a former president facing four cases that will probably be convicted? what does this do to the imagre. how do you defend we came that close, when we have other countries who have these people heading them, does this not damage america's standing? >> if i pull up to the table as the new president, i think it fixes it, because in the end, they'll say, the american people considered this and made a choice to reject that type of person being behind the desk in the oval office. lots of people, myself included, made mistakes in supporting donald trump. so if you correct that mistake, then your country can move on. but if he is behind the desk in the oval office, you know, let's think about it. it was chaos from '17 to '21 with a lot of good people around him. a lot of really good people. none of those people or people like them are coming back if he won again. none of them. they see the way people get treated. saw his post yesterday about bill barr and the stuff he says about bill barr. as we know, no one defended him regarding the russia stuff more than bill barr. put his neck on the line for him on that. now, he calls him every name in the book because that's who he is and what he does. he wants nothing for that unless you yourself are not stew. >> governor, on the israeli conflict, we want to bring you in on where we opened the show. the new speaker of the house, republican like you, his proposal for israeli aid to be conducted to cutting funds from the inflation reduction act, irs agents, and suggesting strings are passed. it will not pass the senate or white house, therefore, slowing up aid to israel. what is your take on that? >> look, there is always going to be this negotiation when you have divided government. it's the way it is. everyone is going to try to use their leverage on everything. both parties do it. you know, what needs to happen is, the president needs to intervene and try to fashion a deal. you know, when i was governor of new jersey, i had a democratic legislature. they almost never agreed initially with what i proposed, nor me with them. if they're people of good faith, and on this issue, i think there will be because of how important aid to israel is, they'll negotiate some agreement. but that's the nature of divided government. the fact is -- >> they're going, it's got to be paid for. they say that after pissing through $8 trillion in four years. mike johnson doing it along with donald trump. jews' lives are on the line, and now they're going, "wait a second. wait a second. we thought about this, and maybe the $8 trillion wasn't a good idea." >> that's why very few people believe my party anymore when it comes to fiscal responsibility and conservatism. they watched them acquiesceto donald trump. >> what about ukraine? >> didn't include that. >> the house didn't include that. >> i'm appreciative of the fact that johnson says he supports it. i assume that means, at some juncture, he'll allow that bill for ukraine aid to be voted on. there will be, i think, at least half of the republican caucus that will vote yes on that, and most of the democratic caucus will vote yes on that. it'll pass. i think, though, that this stuff on israel that you asked about, the aid to israel, we lost, i think, our ability to roll out this negotiation too long when we took three weeks to pick a speaker. >> yeah. >> we used a lot of our good faith time during that circus. so i think this has got to be a very short window to try to negotiate whatever you want to negotiate. i think, ultimately, in our system, when there is divided government, the president has to come in and try to bring the parties together. i hope that's what president biden does. that's what any responsible president should do, is get between the parties and say, this is too important. now, i've said this. i think what president biden has done in the post october 7th period has been really good. i think what he has said has been really strong and important. i think his visit to israel was an important, symbolic step, to show how strongly our country feels about israel. and i equated it to after 9/11, tony blair coming here and sitting in the gallery of the house. that was incredibly important for america's most important ally to be there for us. joe biden did that, too. he deserves credit for it. now, he needs to get in there and finish the job. if you want the big job and you want to be in the oval finish t. if you want to be in the oval office, this is what it takes. you've got to get in some smaller personalities. >> republican presidential candidate kristen welker, thank you -- chris christie. nice to see you. >> happy to see you both. >> see you again soon. up next, we are digging into important aspect of the israel/hamas war. the reporting by journalists amid airstrikes and a ground invasion in gaza. this comes as israeli forces are warning they can't guarantee the safety of reporters in the territory. we will be joined by award-winning journalists who have reported from war zones to talk about that and before we go to break, we have another piece of sad news about our "morning joe" family. the father of our senior executive producer dan nor wick died yesterday. ken nor wick passed away as dan was working on the rundown for this morning's show. something ken enjoyed watching his son do so much. ken was so proud of dan's role on our program and loved viewing what his son produced every morning as dan described him, he was a good man. we'll be right back. se. put it in check with rinvoq, a once-daily pill. when i wanted to see results fast, rinvoq delivered rapid symptom relief and helped leave bathroom urgency behind. check. when uc tried to slow me 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personal risk. the importance of this dangerous work is recognized by the international women's media foundation every year. the organization honors women journalists who brave incredible odds to report the truth with the courage and journalism award. joining us two recipients of the award t photojournalist yelda, visiting the u.s. from iran for the first time, and siobhan for "the washington post." also alisa munoz, the executive director. international women's media foundation. i would be -- i have to mention anne, who chaired the event and the great anne, of course, married to mike as well. >> sadly for anne. >> thank you for going a part of this. alisa, this event, if it's possible, even more important this year with everything that's going on. tell us what you plan to accomplish every year by shining a light on these women. >> this year is a at 34th year we have held the courage journalism awards. 34 years they have been risking it all to get us the news. this year seems especially heavy and difficult with all of the deaths that we're hearing about daily, ukraine, gaza and israel, and we think it's just critically important to recognize that these journalists are out there every day to get us the most important stories of our day. and with them we would have no information about what's going on. so we just think it's critically important to have the bravest journalists in the world recognized and honored for all that they risk and all of their sacrifices for us. >> and you have been in ukraine all over ukraine. >> that's right. >> from the beginning of the -- the beginning of the war. talk about the importance of getting that story to the rest of the world. >> absolutely. i think our team's commitment to covering the story has not wavered since the early hours of february 24, 2022. our team is constantly on the ground always both in kyiv and the front lines in east and south, and we are completely committed to documentk the civilian toll of the conflict. i was covering the horrific missile struk on a funeral that killed 50 civilians and i spent a long time in the morgue after looking at the bodies to confirm and i saw only one in military uniform. the rest were absolutely certainly civilians and documenting that kind of potential war crime is really our mission. >> we see the photos, the gripping photos, just the heartbreaking photos, read the stories, but tell us about the impact that you have seen, the human toll on ukrainians that are enduring one strike on civilian target after another strike, and have for over a year and a half. >> absolutely. it never gets easier. just watching the resilience of ukrainians is astounding. they shouldn't have to be resilient like anyone else in a war zone. they are rising it the occasion, but it's an occasion no one should ever have to experience, and it never gets easier to watch a mother, a father grieving over the body of their child or to see fellow journalists killed on the front line to bring the truth. it's so important that organizations like this continue to provide support to someone like me a staff journalist for a major newspaper but the freelance and local journalists risking their lives to bring us the truth. >> to that point about risking your lives to bring people the story and it's difficult, incredibly difficult to maintain safety in a war zone. female or male. but the critical component is access to the story. could you talk about that? >> you mean in the war zones or always -- >> in your case, just in general. >> yeah, because, you know, i'm always -- i'm working in a country like iran and the middle east. working as a journalist is always hard there because you are facing different kinds of problems. but as a woman, when you are a woman there, you know you are facing some other problems that may stop you to work. double. >> and let's point out what just recently you have been through because you received the 2023 justice for women journalism award. in september of 2022, you were arrested by security agents of the morality police in downtown tehran, surrounding the protests after the death of mahsa amini. you sustained injuries in a prison facility. what drivers you? why do you still continue? >> you know, i think i have to be the voice of my people. i was trying to be in this 23 years i worked for the journalist, but i was trying -- i always trying to -- i mean, be honest and show the truth. and i think it was the reason they put me in jail, because, yeah, i tried my best always to show the realities because, you know, the system wants to censor everything. >> photojournalist yalda, "the washington post" chief ukraine correspondent shibuno grady, and economic tough director of iwmf elise munoz, thank you all for coming on the show this morning. thank you for what you do. >> thank you. >> and our third hour of "morning joe" continues right now. i hope and pray that civilized nations everywhere will back this fight because israel's fight is your fight, because if hamas and iran's axis of evil win, you will be their next target. that's why israel's victory will be your victory. make no mistake. regardless of who stands with israel, israel will fight until this battle is won. and israel will prevail. >> just part of a defiant speech yesterday from israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu where he rejected calls for a ceasefire and his resignation. we will have more of his comments and get a live report from the israel/gaza border straight ahead. meanwhile, aid for israel is a top priority on capitol hill, but the two chambers have very different plans for delivering it. we will go through that potential funding fight. also ahead, an update on the expected testimony from donald trump and his three oldest children in his civil fraud trial. plus, why a tentative deal for auto work esters is a win and president biden and the continued support for actor matthew perry with his "friends" co-stars releasing a statement following his passing. we'll read for you their emotional comments. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is tuesday, october 31. >> happy halloween. >> yeah. along with joe, willie and -- >> is that it? >> ask everybody where you going? >> willie, you have to do the "today" show thing. >> can't tell anybody. >> you got to watch us. >> i'm waiting. >> watch the west coast feed. >> what are the kids doing? >> the youngest has old-school white sox jersey. >> yeah. got the draft kinks app on his phone. and then the oldest is -- you know how you drive by a car wash or dealership, they have those things? he has an inflatable thing. >> great. love that. >> two really good costumes. >> i am going as a tired person. >> a staple for me. >> poor thing. >> well, any -- >> i have been telling my daughter i want to take my 4-year-old grandson trick-or-treating at trump towers. i want to wear the donald trump costume. >> my daughter -- [ laughter ] >> one my daughters is polly pocket. cute. you know what that is? >> no. >> anyhow. former chairman. republican national committee michael steele is with us as well. good to have you, michael. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is rejecting the growing international calls for a ceasefire in its war against hamas. yesterday netanyahu asked other nations support for israel's fight. >> just as the united states would not agree to a ceasefire after the bombing of pearl harbor, or after the terrorist attack of 9/11, israel will not agree to a cessation with hamas after the horrific attacks of october 7th. calls for a ceasefire are calls for israel to surrender to hamas, to surrender to terrorism, to surrender to barbarism. that will not happen. this is a time for war. a war for our common future. today we draw a line between the forces of suflization and the forces of barbarism. it is a time for everyone to decide where they stand. israel will stand against the forces of barbarism until victory. i hope and pray that civilized nations everywhere will back this fight because israel's fight is your fight. >> netanyahu defended his own actions surrounding the war. his political opponents called for his resignation over his failure to prevent the october 7th attacks and some accused the prime minister of punishing innocent civilians by cutting off electricity, food and other supplies to gaza. >> the only thing that i intend to have resign is hamas. we are going to resign them to the dust bin of history. that's my goal. that's my responsibility. that's what i'm leading the country to do. not a single civilian has to die. hamas merely has to let them go to the safe zone we created in southeastern gaza strip. there is a safe zone there. not a single civilian has to die. but hamas is preventing them from leaving, keeping them in the areas of conflict. so i think that you should direct your questions to hamas. but i can tell you one thing. we are going out of our way to prevent civilian casualties. >> so, willie, i think for many supporters of israel the right message in many ways. wrong messenger. him defending himself in the lead-up to the attacks, that's not a message that the overwhelming majority of people in israel believe. there is no way they could believe that. he left israelis completely vulnerable to the most vicious attacks. so, again, i think it wildly is inappropriate for him to -- but of course it's what he's going to do, but to somehow try to tangle, entangle israel's survival with his own. >> again, many things he said, true. we wouldn't have talked about a ceasefire on december 8th, 1941 or september 12th, 2001. also, very true that hamas has hidden behind civilians their entire career. we said this the day after the attacks. we said when a jew dies, that's a victory for hamas. when a palestinian dies, that's a victory for hamas. they are excited about palestinians dying, maybe even more, than they are when jews die because they consider that a victory. that's why they hide in hospitals. that's why they hide in apartment buildings. that's why they hide behind civilians. so, again, i think most supporters of israel would agree with benjamin netanyahu in many ways, except the benjamin netanyahu part. he was responsibility for that. not just directly, by israel sleeping and the defense forces sleeping and him obsessing over wars against the courts instead of war against hamas. and also because what he did for well over a decade, doing everything he could to avoid peace talks that would lead to a two-state solution. he was so obsessed with the west bank and obsessed to allow religious extremists to bulldoze down palestinian homes for political purposes because he knew that would help him with the far right. the far-right religiously politically he took his eyes off the terrorists who promised to kill jews. took his eyes completely off of it for political conditions. so, yeah, that speech last night alis discordant for a lot of people, including myself, that are fierce defenders of israel. you can't be a fierce defender of israel and listen to what benjamin netanyahu said and go, yeah, yeah, that sounds about right, because 80% of people inside of israel think he is responsible. >> that's the thing. in this moment of national unity inside of israel, there is dissent about the man leading the country. and you hear it in the questions he is asked in those news briefings. he is a man who has built his reputation as a national security hawk. as the man who can protect israel from all the aggressors that surround it every minute of every day. october 7th, that all fell to pieces. the fact that people could walk across the border effectively and murder a couple thousand civilians, that fell away for him. so he is vulnerable to that. his argument now, joe, is there will be a time to talk about who is responsible. there will be a time for that. right now, we have to crush hamas. >> well, jonathan -- >> put off that conversation. >> why? you don't want the same people that allowed the attacks to happen on october 7th to lead this war? no. he put clowns around him. i have friends in israel told me for a year he was taking out the pros and bringing in idiots and clowns -- >> what does that sound like? >> it sounds like donald trump. in the united states. and again they didn't tell me this on october 8th. they were telling me this in june and july. they were telling me it's a certain kind of show over there. and i had warnings time and time again. people saying time and again, he is dividing the very people who protect our existence. and so now he is going, willie's right. he has built himself up as this hawk through the years. he will be remembered as the man who was responsible for the greatest slaughter of jews worldwide since the holocaust. i am not saying that. israelis are saying that. the ones who are there. the ones who lost sons. the ones who lost daughters. the ones who lost kids, paurnts, grandparents. they're the ones saying it. that's why he can't answer questions from israelis. that's why the cabinet ministers won't go out to the people because they know they are responsible. >> his legacy -- he took his eye off the ball. the number one job for israeli prime minister is to keep civilians safe. his focus was appeasing the far right members of the coalition and he lost the -- you know, he lost the ability to keep those israelis safe and he is facing a lot of questions now. there is a sense that the biden white house his days are numbered. he will keep his position through the first wave of the war. polls suggest israelis want a new leader. >> nbc news chief correspondent richard engle is there. you can weigh this on this topic and the latest and the push inside gaza. >> reporter: so the prime minister's career is definitely in trouble. there is anger building against him every time he speaks through local press or foreign press. he is facing questions whether he should resign, whether he will accept responsibility for failing to anticipate the attacks of october 7th, and failing to respond in a timely manner because these attacks that took place on that day took place over the course of several hours where hamas was able to go from community to community, butchering people, taking hostages, and now some israelis are sawing that he is doing this campaign to both attack hamas, but also to try to save his own political career. potentially at the expense of the hostages. and there are every night in tel aviv vigils by the families of the hostages. they are trying to stay apolitical, trying not to criticize the government, but they are angry with northeastern and they say we when this is over will express our opinions about the prime minister and what needs to be done. but in a major development, the hostage has been freed by israeli troops. israelis troops operating in gaza. a young israeli woman, she was taken by hamas from a guard tower in a kibbutz 12 soldiers were killed in that attack and several others along with her remain hostages. but inside gaza one thing that cannot be mentioned, is important to mention, you talk about a safe zone in southern gaza. our reporters in gaza say there is nothing like a safe zone, that israeli strikes continue all across the gaza strip, including in south. the idea there is a safe haven where palestinians can go and not come under attack is simply -- >> nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engle. thank you. good news that the 19-year-old soldier was released. a hostage. but 240 remain, according to the israeli government. >> it's just such agony for the families. let's get to politics here at home. in his first major move since becoming speaker of the house, mike johnson is taking the bipartisan goodwill of providing aid for israel and launching a fight with president biden over his signature achievement while setting up a collision course with the senate. house republicans released the details of their aid package for israel yesterday. it includes $14.3 billion in emergency funding. here's the catch. the bill rescinds that same amount of irs funding from the inflation reduction act. the act is the major climate health care and tax law that president biden signed into law last year. the gop bill also focuses solely on israel despite president biden's request for aid to both israel and ukraine. the measure is set to be considered by the rules committee when the house returns tomorrow and a vote in the full chamber could happen later this week. speaker johnson spoke about the bill to fox news in an interview set to air later this afternoon. >> we understand what's at stake here and i hope that everyone will put politics aside, get that bill over the line. we will have pay forces in it. we are not just printing money and sending it overseas because the concern overriding this is our strength as a nation which is tied to our fiscal stability and that's a big problem that we have as well. we have to keep in mind as we try to help everyone else. >> if the bill passes the republican-controlled house, the irs provisions are all but guaranteed to be rejected by the democratic-led senate and white house setting up a clash how to approve the aid to israel and leaving ukraine out of the conversation. >> of course, leaving ukraine out. i mean, it's -- >> great start. >> remarkable. remarkable how tone deaf, how tone deaf my former party is. they are actually -- they are actually putting billionaires between the protection of israel and the united states congress. they are slashing funding for the irs to go after billionaire tax cheats. let me say that again. they are taking the money that was passed. they're taking the money and they're gutting the irs' ability to go after rich billionaire tax cheats. and they think this is the solution. i would say i have got a solution. why don't we just have the billonian air tax? like all the parts of the trump tax cuts that were giveaways to billionaires and multinational corporations, why don't we take that money from the multinational corporations that get as massive windfalls and did all those stock buybacks and take the billions that billionaires got from the trump tax cuts? why don't we take that money and help the israelis instead of having to the republicans in the house try to help billionaire tax cheats? it's breathtaking, michael. it's breathtaking. >> you know, at this point it is actually beyond breathtaking because you just realize just the crass political nature of it. all of the soft tones and, you know, the new look of the speaker belies the fact that at the end of the day, that they are going to try to do the offset game. now we are concerned about pay forces. now we are concerned about the cost of things. concerned because some people in the base are upset we are sending money overseas. they spent $8 trillion under donald trump. to your point, go back and look at all of that money and to that budget that you set up that really allowed for the wealthiest of the country to benefit to say, okay, we need some of that back. if you are really that concerned, this idea of setting up a fight with the president right as the critical juncture of israel, ukraine, and just the general thrust of where the global setting is going, to me is an unnecessary fight. but this is what it's all about, joe. this is not about the seriousness of budgeting, budget policy. the seriousness of economic and fuss cal health of the country. it is about, okay, you want money for israel? then pay for it out of the program that we disagree with, but, oh, we voted for it in the first place. >> yeah. i mean, fascinating, rev. we got this mike johnson guy who was part of a congress that spent more money and drove us deeper into debt over a four-year period than any congress in the history of the united states of america. in fact, mike johnson and donald trump together ran up debt more in four years than america did in its first 210 years of existence. that's how serious mike johnson was. oh, we got to pay -- did anybody -- i'm sorry. i don't follow the news. i don't have to in the job i'm in. did anybody ever hear mike johnson holding up a bill under donald trump because it wasn't paid for? in all of the $8 trillion, he just opened the door. he said, here, here. just drive the trucks through of debt, 1 billion, 2 billion, mike johnson, 3 billion, 5 billion, 4 billion, $8 billion mike johnson and donald trump gave america in debt. suddenly, he won't even help jews protect themselves. it is so gross. and making it even grocer, he says we will protect the jews if you protect the billionaires. we want billionaire tax cheats to get away with stealing more money from the american people. so we'll let you protect the jews, joe biden. but you have to let us protect our donors, our billionaire donors that are tax cheats. i never truly heard of a dumber plan to start a speakership than to put jews' lives in danger. so you can protect billionaire tax cheats. and he knows. he knows. this is never going to pass. because they are not going to let billionaire continue to cheat on their taxes. he knows this. yet, that's that he said. well, we'll let you, joe biden, protect the jews, democrats protect the jews. but you've got to let us republicans protect billionaire tax cheats. it's just so grotesque. >> it is. not only politically dumb and grotesque, this is a guy who professes to be this ardent practicing moral christian. so you are saying we are not going to vote to protect not israelis, we are still having 240 people hostage there while we have this debate and the debate is we are going to take care of our billionaires or we are going to not give the money that you want for israel. and, by the way, democracy, we are not even going to discuss ukraine. take that off the table of dealing with fighting to protect democracy in terms of ukraine and russia. this is his opening act -- >> i mean, i didn't even get to ukraine. he is basically saying let vladimir putin have his way. >> that's right. >> let vladimir putin have his way. if hammonds wants to have its way with the jews, if we can't protect our billionaires, let hamas have their way with the jews, let the ukrainians have their way because we know he is lying through his teeth when he talks about, like, we have too big of a debt. because he doesn't care when he and donald trump were running up the largest debt in american history. >> it's a debt that they created. so now you want to deal with your debt that you and donald trump are -- who is clearly his hero, that you created by saying hostages, don't worry about it, i'm in the worried about the safety of israelis, and i'm not going to even deal with democracy in the ukraine. we've got to protect our billionaires and you take care of the israelis and the hostages and putin can have his way. this is his opening act as a speaker of the house. >> this is the new speaker saying we are defunding the irs like we chanted and talked about, but he is doing it as a condition of giving support to israel. we should point out to the viewers this isn't how this works typically. emergency funding or aid to an ally, yo c number up and down, that's reasonable and responsible. say, hold on a second, you are not getting what i want on a pet domestic issue of taking money away from the irs, it's a new thing for a new speaker. >> we are hearing pay-for and offsets. it's one thing to undo the deal president biden struck with tom mckibbin, it's also plully foolish. not just on national security issues, which of course is that 30 paramount, endangering israeli and ukrainian lives. we know republicans are supporting israel. a lot have had questions about ukraine. make them separate. if they said, hey, vote on israel, then you put democrats in the box. are you going to oppose israeli funding? they didn't do that. they connected to this and the irs defending billionaires. it is a political malpractice and certainly it also -- white house gives democrats an easy way out. they oppose it, no problem. the white house says this is not okay, go back to the drawing board. >> i don't understand that they are so stupid that they would actually again they would let the hostages just languish? they would let joe biden be the champion of israel even more? joe biden wanting to get money to israel and them blocking it? basically, telling israel and the jews to go to hell unless they get -- again, it's mind boggling. it's mind boggling. no, joe biden, we are not going to help you help jews and help israel unless you let billionaires cheat on their taxes, unless you have got the irs so much that your billionaire friends like -- that republicans billionaire friends can cheat on their taxes. it's such malpractice. they are basically saying to joe biden, you side with israel, we'll side with tax cheats. i'm sorry. i'm not good at this politics thing. but i don't think that's gonna poll well in wisconsin. >> it's not. but, again, joe, this is not geared towards your typical voter in wisconsin or in michigan or anywhere else in the country. this is keyed towards a maga base that has been hyped up to believe one thing about ukraine and another about israel funding. not so much that israeli story about hostages and the attacks. that everyone is, like, oh, my god, no. but when it comes to the funding rg you have this emerging narrative that somehow, to the point of everyone at the table, that what is in balance is support for israel versus support for the irs. i am sitting here going, what? >> what in the world? >> how does that work? does israel have an irs we didn't know about? i mean, i don't understand. so americans sit there and scratch their heads over this, but they don't care. i mean, you know? to the refs point, this is the conversation he wants to have with the president of the united states in the middle of a crisis, is let's elevate our concerns about the irs and the 80,000 employees that were added to their ranks for what purpose? oh, i don't know. collecting taxes. from billionaires and everyone else who tries to cheat the system, to pay for all the stuff that they claim we need to pay for. so this is incongruent with everything we know from the past, joe, about how you negotiate this type of request from the president. as willie said, the numbers go up and down. we all know how that works. okay, you want 130 billion? i will give you 120. okay. have that conversation. but then to say, well, you get the money only if you cut the irs, you just look stupid. >> coming up, president biden issues a first-of-its-kind executive order on safeguards surrounding artificial intelligence. we'll be joined by an mit researcher who says her mission is to protect what is human in a world of machines. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ack. what did we do before viasat satellite internet? well... we borrowed. we borrowed the internet. but that was before viasat came out with all their new plans. yup. lots of internet now. plenty for everyone. learn more about our plans at viasat.com the best thing about me, bar none, is if somebody comes up to me and said, i can't stop drunking, can you help me? i can say yes and follow up and do it. when i die, i don't want "friends" to be the first thing that's mentioned. i want that to be the first thing mentioned. >> the late actor matthew perry last year detailing how he wanted to be remembered beyond the hit show "friends," instead for helping people struggling with addiction. yesterday the five surviving cast members of "friends" paid tribute writing in part, we are all so utterly devastated by the loss of matthew. we were more than just castmates. we are a family. there is so much to say. right now we are going to take a moment to grieve and process this unfathomable loss. in time we will say more as and whether we are able. the 54-year-old played chandler bing on the hit '90s sitcom. the actor was open about his struggles with drug and alcohol addiction. in 2013, he received the champion of recovery award from the white house. so far, the los angeles county medical examiner says perry's autopsy report is inconclusive. the agency is waiting on toxicology results that could take three to four months. meanwhile, in manhattan the building where they shot the exterior of the apartment for "friends" has become a memorial for the hollywood star with fans leaving flowers outside. such a sad story. we knew he had been struggling many, many years. he talked about watching himself on "friends" and saying, i just see a guy who is lost because i know what was happening in his life off the screen. we don't know why exactly he died the other day. a sad moment for one of the stars in the biggest shows in the history of tv. >> yeah, i hope he will be remembered for fighting recovery, the work in fighting recovery and the work of trying to help other people. mike, i know when i was young and i saw somebody who was -- had addiction problems, you know, you looked at them. we all looked at them as problematic and different. as you get older and you -- i mean, i have friends that struggled with addiction, some who didn't survive. you understand it. every day they wake up, really, really hit me and made sense to me. may not make sense to people that have never been around people with real addiction problems. but when he said i'm saying this to help other people, i may not be able to help myself, maybe i can't take this, maybe i can't take this advice myself sometimes, but i'm trying. but i can help other people. it is. it is a daily battle. some days you win. some days you lose. and some days, unfortunately, there is tragedy, like the tragedy that visited him. >> you know, one of the untold stories in america, joe, what happened here, we are talking about right now, is a universal in this country. nearly every family in this country has been touched by addiction or knows a family member, cousin, whatever, who also has been touched by it. matthew perry's gift was he spoke to this. >> yes. >> strongly. >> exactly. >> consistently. a lot much people who have been addicted over the years think they want to hide it, run from it. >> avoid. >> they don't want the publicity about it, they are in recovery every six months ago, a couple of years. it's universal in america, a country addicted to addiction. matthew perry spoke to this. >> and i am sorry. we are about to talk about jean robson. it doesn't matter really, does it, what your background is, what your faith is, how much -- you know, this isn't like a question of, do you love jesus or do you love alcohol? are you a faithful christian or an observant jew? do you -- it is often d -- it is a battle. those two things existing together at the same time. and just a terrible, terrible -- i know you have ministered to people throughout your adult life that have had trouble with addiction. >> and family members i have had to deal with. and the thing that i most admired about matthew is he owned it and said i have a problem. because everyone i dealt with, whether they have been stars in entertainment or a cousin, they all justify it. it's because of this. it's not really bad, but i was -- caused by -- once you own it, then you can begin to heal. you can't -- you cannot be healed unless you first admit that you're sick. matthew taught the world that. i'm dealing with it, but i am sick. you can never heal people, even jesus couldn't heal people until they said i have an infirmity. and as long as you deny the infirmity, you will never heal. >> he talked about it. i know that there are people struggling with addiction right now that are going back, looking at those videos. his tragedy, opening some doors right now for people who are having problems, loved ones who have friends who have problems or children who have problems. i am sure they are looking at what he said and it's going to resonate and have an impact. i brought up jean. a guy we love. a member of our family we feel like he is our brother. was so grieving for gene this morning. >> yes, we are. our hearts are broken for our dear friend and really member of the "morning joe" family, gene robinson, and his family. on saturday, gene's wife of 45 years, avis collins robinson, passed away after a brauf battle with cancer. a talented visual artist, she was known for her paintings and abstract quilts that explore america's tensions of a race, gender, oppression and history. avis captured famous faces a as well from former president barack obama to guitar legend jimi hendrix. avis' portrait of abraham lincoln has been on display in ford's theater, the lobby, since 2009. avis collins robinson grew up in montgomery county, maryland, where she graduated from the university of maryland. they earned her master's degree in economics and finance from harvard and golden gate university, and in 1979 when gene got his first job at "the washington post," the couple moved to arlington where avis would serve as the deputy director of the office of atmospheric programs at the ea. in 2003, she shifted her focus to philanthropy, creating the washington metropolitan scholars program which pairs academically gifted african american students with elite universities. it has provided millions of dollars in scholarships. on social media, gene called avis the love of his life, writing, she was an extraordinary woman and my profound grief is tempered by gratitude that she allowed me to share her extraordinary life. avis collins robinson was 70 years old. struggling with the highs and lows of bipolar 1? ask about vraylar. because you are greater than your bipolar 1, and you can help take control of your symptoms - with vraylar. some medicines only treat the lows or highs. vraylar treats depressive, acute manic, and mixed episodes of bipolar 1 in adults. proven, 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that is putting himself in a position to hold up funding to protect jews and to protect israel and to hold up that funding unless biden caves and stops going after billionaire tax cheats. it's one of the craziest first moves in politics on the national stage i've ever seen where you're just basically telling the world, yeah, i don't really care about israel. i care about billionaires. especially because his bogus claim, oh we've got to pay for it, mike johnson and donald trump -- 8 trillion over four years, the largest deficits and national debt in american history. >> yeah. this is the new speaker's opening act, as opposed to any sort of bipartisan effort in a time of crisis, not just the war in the middle east, but what was happening in ukraine. the decision is to try to undo legislation that was passed more than a year ago to play up this irs agents talking point they have used for so long and holding hostage money that could be going to israel. he knows it will be defeated. it's a political stunt. he's doing a round of fox news interviews. no conversations with the west wing about this. >> mike, they've already blown three weeks with their incompetence and not being able to elect a speaker. so they play games with israel's defense after the october 7th attacks, from october 7th to the end of october. now they're playing games to protect billionaire tax cheats. so they know it's never going to pass. joe biden's not going to go, oh yeah, we're going to protect billionaire tax cheats. he's not going to let them gunk up a bill to protect israel. >> there's a larger point here. the world is on fire. the middle east is on the verge of a multiple-country war. taiwan is at risk. russia is on the march. they've gobbled up ukraine. they want more. there's only one way to answer that. that's for the united states of america to stand up and open up these tax loopholes that have been closed so more billionaires can write more stuff off and get more money. >> not just that. i mean, they're trying to gut the funding of the irs to be able to go after billionaire tax cheats. it's that simple. in a time when israel is in crisis, the new speaker is worried about protecting billionaire tax cheats. in a political sense, it's holding hostage aid for israel that republicans have already held up for almost a month because they don't know how to run the house. >> this is how he chooses to introduce himself to the american public. i'm the new speaker in the middle of what's going on in the middle east, in the middle of israel having to deal with these attacks and over 200 hostages still there, in the middle of what's going on in gaza that needs emergency aid in that bill, and i'm not even going to talk about ukraine. ukraine is not even on the table yet. they've already taken that out. i'm going to say unless you take care of these billionaires, you can't deal with israel or the emergency aid and ukraine is off the table. this is the opening act of this speaker. >> that is a grim, bleak opening act. >> we're going to get a live report from jake sherman on capitol hill in just a moment. first, the latest from israel this morning. israeli defense forces are expanding their operation inside of northern gaza, officials say. troops are attacking the terrorist group on the ground and in the air, adding they will ramp up humanitarian aid in the coming days. this comes as the united nations has been calling for a humanitarian cease fire, saying the need for aid in gaza is a matter of life or death. joining us now from southern israel, nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. >> reporter: we're seeing this campaign getting more intense. it all goes back to this phase of the war. on friday we saw an intensified air campaign. that was to allow israeli ground troops to move into gaza. over the weekend, israeli forces entered gaza from multiple locations, mostly in the northern tip of the gaza strip. the gaza strip is long and narrow, mostly surrounded by israel with egypt at the southern extreme in the south. those troops that entered gaza primarily in the north are edging their way to gaza city. now, gaza city is the biggest city in the gaza strip. it had a population of about 800,000 people. what we've seen until today is that israeli troops have been fighting just north of gaza city and around it. there's been tremendous destruction, tremendous damage with israeli air strikes, tanks, artillery, bulldozers, heavy casualties. now they have reached right to the doorstep of gaza city, a massive city. there are already reports from inside gaza and from israeli sources that there are already heavy clashes. this morning, israeli troops are pushing deeper into gaza in a war the israeli government describes as a fight for survival. last night the families of israeli hostages gathered in tel aviv to pressure the government not to forget their loved ones amid the fury to destroy hamas. they received word that a hostage had been freed, the first one. the private was captured from a watch tower and freed by israeli troops in gaza sunday night. israeli says she's doing well medically and has met with her family. but hamas has 240 more hostages by this morning's count, including dozens of children. and hamas is taunting israel with them, releasing a video of three israeli captives speaking under duress. the woman on the right is speaking for them. everyone in the family was killed or kidnapped by hamas. how do you watch this war and watch all those explosions and think they might be underground under one of those bombs? >> i think about it. the thought that she is alive now and we want her back now. i don't know what's going to happen in gaza. if she's alive now and other families members are also, we want them back. >> reporter: benjamin netanyahu under fire for not taking responsibility for being unprepared for hamas' surprise attack. he says there will be no cease fire, that israel must retaliate for the killing of 1400 israelis. >> this is a time for war. >> reporter: israel says it's created a safe zone for palestinian civilians in southern gaza, but israel is continuing air strikes in the south too. we filmed inside the hospital right after an israeli strike on the home. this is southern gaza, and there's nothing safe about it. many of the injured are children. one girl appears lifeless, but comes around. another girl with an oxygen mask at least has her father nearby. don't be scared, daddy is with you, he tells her. palestinian civilians are suffering and dying in a war they didn't start and with gaza completely sealed off, they can't escape. >> richard, how are the family of hostages and the israeli public in general balancing the desire to destroy hamas and the people who perpetrated these unspeakable evil deeds with the protection of the hostages? that's something we as americans didn't have to worry about on september 12th. i'm curious when you talk to these families and also israelis in general, how are they balancing those two conflicting desires? >> reporter: so everyone, i think, on the israeli side wants to see hamas destroyed and wants it to be removed from power. but the hostage families are concerned when they watch all of these air strikes, they watch the troops rolling in. they know that the hostages are likely kept in tunnels, tunnels being targeted right now. they think israel should take a slower approach, that it should definitely pursue negotiations. several of the family members told me they would like to see a prisoner swap now, give the palestinian prisoners who are held in israeli jails up and get all of the hostages out. there's some debate among the hostage families. some think women and children should go first, but most of them believe it should be all done at once so they don't go into this long, protracted negotiation. others will go even further and say that going in, smashing the gaza strip is not necessarily productive, that if israel is talking about hamas like isis, that it should do a longer campaign, the same way that the israeli intelligence forces hunted down the people who carried out the terrorist attacks at the munich olympic games. don't go in with a hammer. israel is using this line that hamas is isis and that it must be destroyed like isis. well, the united states didn't send in massive brigades to fight isis as well. it was generally done by special forces. it took a long time. it was generally done in lots of smaller operation that is the world often didn't hear about in places like iraq and syria. >> richard, tell us about the level of anger that you're sensing towards benjamin netanyahu. he gave a speech yesterday defiantly talking about the time for war being now, but also somehow connected his political survival with the survival of israel. i'm sure that certainly didn't make a lot of friends with netanyahu there. how are they reacting, the israeli people? >> reporter: so if you remember, right before this current war began, right before hamas launched its surprise attack and perhaps because or at least a reason why hamas launched its surprise attack then is israel was deeply divided. there were protests on the streets, hundreds of thousands of people demanding that netanyahu step down, saying he formed a coalition in order to protect himself, to protect his legal status because he's facing numerous charges including corruption, that he formed a coalition with an extremist government, including some very right-wing, pro-settler movements. there were people out on the streets already. in the midst of this divided country and this campaign against netanyahu, there was this surprise attack that shocked the nation. it pulled people together briefly because there was so much horror and people didn't know where loved ones were and there's still an unknown number of people killed and taken hostage. every day we're still updaing these numbers. but the shock is starting to become anger and frustration. people are looking at netanyahu and saying is he responsible? why isn't he taking responsibility? he keeps saying, my focus now is only to win the war. he's been meeting with troops and walking around the front lines wearing flak jackets. the people who were angry with him before are even more angry. there are starting to be real questions about his political leadership. but the hostage families, because they're in such a delicate situation, you sense they're almost biting their lips. they don't want to criticize the government. they don't want to be drawn into a political debate. one of the fathers of a young woman being held hostage actually bit his lip when he was talking to me and said we'll talk about netanyahu when we're done with this. >> you also have new reporting on attacks on u.s. bases in the middle east. what can you tell us? >> reporter: so this has been ongoing, but it does not seem to be going away. if anything, it is intensifying. the united states has multiple small bases across the middle east. that's why the u.s. is much more vulnerable in this conflict than it is in ukraine or other conflict around the world. in ukraine, there's the russian forces on one side, there's the ukrainians fighting and the u.s. is very, very far away. if the that were to escalate, it would become a war with nato. it would have to become a nuclear war, so the chances of the u.s. getting involved would be quite small. here, there are areas already in close proximity to iranian backed militias. there are u.s. warships in the area. we've seen low-level attacks on u.s. outposts. some of those were set up specifically to fight isis which was how that group's caliphate was wiped off the face of the earth with a long targeted campaign by u.s. bases spread across the region. in the last 24 hours there have been multiple attacks on those bases. no reports of casualties. the u.s. has responded before in a public announcement about that a few days ago, but it seems the iranian-backed militias are not backing down and are continuing to push the americans, see how far they can go. that is extraordinarily dangerous because of what is happening here. if this war escalated, it could escalate on many fronts. later this hour, secretary of state antony blinken and defense secretary lloyd austin are scheduled to testify before the senate appropriations committee about president biden's request for aid to israel, ukraine and other key areas regarding national security. that comes with the house republicans setting up a false choice with its own funding bill. joining us now is jake sherman live from capitol hill. tell us about this proposal that doesn't include ukraine, but definitely includes billionaires getting some breaks. >> reporter: i can tell you there's a divide in house republican leadership over the way this has been handled by speaker mike johnson, who is new in his first full week on the job. republicans have decided to slash $14.3 billion from irs funding that was in the inflation rucon act to pay for this israe fundin number one, emergency aid like this is usually not paid for, whether that's good or bad other people could decide but it's usually not paid for. number two, it's very difficult to argue this is urgent aid when you put an offset into the bill that has no chance of passing the senate. the senate democrats are not going to go for this. this is a nonstarter. the ukraine issue, republicans have argued for a while that it should be separate. johnson, to his credit ukraine supporters say, has opened the door to more ukraine aid. he has been much more bullish on passing ukraine aid than previously thought. i don't understand this play. i think a lot of people think it's pretty silly. it will just delay aid to israel. i'm not sure they could pass it in the house, but if they could, it will go to the senate. the senate will change it, and then we'll have more delay on critical aid to israel. >> you just mentioned how this has no chance of passing the senate even if it can get through the house. talk about this emerging divide between speaker johnson and minority leader mcconnell, republicans on very different sides of this issue. >> reporter: mitch mcconnell has made very clear he wants ukraine aid and aid to israel to ride together. it's the smoothest way to passage and it would pass the senate quite easily, i would think. republicans have made the argument for months now that ukraine aid should get a separate vote. if you want ukraine aid, you're going to have to be okay with it in a separate vote in the house because i don't think it would pass on the floor if it were together. this move on offsetting the israel money really, really complicated everything across the board. it complicates israel aid, ukraine aid and the entire mess of funding in the next several months. i haven't been able to figure out who is clamoring for this israel aid to be offset. it would have to be an incredibly small pocket of the house republican conference if it exists at all. thomas see, chip roy, marjorie taylor greene will be critical of spending more money. mtg and tom massy v said they will vote no on ukraine aid. >> jake sherman, thank you very much. joining us now is dana millbank. his book "the destructionist, the 25-year crackup of the republican party" is out in paper back today. good timing. >> good timing especially when you have the new house speaker deciding that instead of protecting israel with funding that's been held up by three weeks of republican chaos in the house, they're only going to do that if joe biden agrees to gut protections to stop billionaires from cheating on their taxes. so a perfect lead-in to your book. >> yeah, it is pretty extraordinary, joe. i have to wonder if, well, three weeks of them doing absolutely nothing, so we finally got a speaker after five tries and now what are we going to do? well, we're going to have votes on george santos, on rashida tlaib, on marjorie taylor greene and now we're going to have a show vote on aid to israel. even though they're technically functioning, the house doesn't seem to be functioning at all. you remember those days of newt gingrich in the beginnings of the shutdowns in the house, in the beginning of this constant daily warfare and this is built over a period of time. now you've got a critical mass of people in the house who are all about creating this warfare. there's no logic to trying to offset the israel aid. it's simply to throw some red meat to the fox crowd, if they even care about it. it's simply to gum up the works just for the sake of it. >> these are the same people, mike johnson and donald trump and every other republican are the same people that sat there and allowed the united states government to spend more money than ever before. these people that are now saying, oh, we want this emergency funding offset, are the same people that added more debt to america's budget in eight years than america did its first 215 years in existence. >> and the mike johnsons were the ones that supported the aiding and abetting of donald trump in doing this. to now in the middle of a crisis -- i mean we're not just talking about regular aid to the middle east. we're going to avoid even dealing with that. we're not even going to address ukraine that is in the middle of war. let me ask you. you've been dealing in washington for a while as a "washington post" columnist and author. what are we showing the world when we see 1400 people killed on a saturday just for being in israel. they had nothing to do pro or con with netanyahu. many of us who are outraged are not supportive of netanyahu and are now seeing people killed in gaza who are not members of hamas. the speaker says i'm not dealing with any of that unless you give me a tax cut or cut the irs, nor am i going to deal with ukraine. what message are we sending? i don't know of any speaker in history before this in the middle of these combind crises that would have just said i'm not dealing with this. >> it is essentially a tax cut, because they're not offsetting the israel aid. what they're doing is, by giving tax breaks to the tax cheats, they're actually blowing up the deficit even more. it's not even a fiscally responsible play. you've heard people like mike rogers, the sensible republican chairman of the foreign affairs committee, saying we are showing the world that we are dysfunctional. this is good for chairman xi and our enemies. we're seeing it in so many ways with the three speakerless weeks and the fighting over the most basic functions of government. unfortunately, we've seen a great deal of division from the anti-semitic crowd on the far left to absolute paralysis on the far right. it's been kind of quiet in the middle, the sensible ones. i find myself these days saying thank god for mitch mcconnell. what's it come to that he is now the voice of reason trying to get israel and ukraine aid through the house and trying to say to mike johnson, please, man, just be sensible? >> the title of your book is so appropriate, "the deconstructionist." my family are from the south, lifelong democrats, became republicans when people were trying to levitate the pentagon and burning draft cards and attacking all of these institutions. the deconstructionist reminds me of a quote i love of edmund burke. burke, the founder of modern conservatism, said institutions that took centuries to be built up can be torn down in a day. you look at the attacks from the far-right on the, quote, woke pentagon. you look at the attacks from the far-right on the fbi, on the department of justice. they are going after the institutions, the american institutions and trying to tear them down. >> yeah. i think that's exactly right. and then having gone after the pentagon, after the fbi, after doj, after the irs, they are also bringing down the very institution in which they're serving by bringing the house of representatives to its knees. unfortunately it's a perfectly logical thing for the chip roys and matt gaetzes of the world to be doing. the only risk for them is getting bumped out in a primary, so there's no downside to being the most obnoxious person you can be on the right wing so nobody can outflank you. >> that's putting it mildly. the book is out today in paper back. thank you very much for being on this morning. coming up, the united autoworkers union and general motors reached a tentative deal, likely bringing an end to the longstanding strife. we'll talk to andrew ross sorkin about that agreement and which industry might be next to have workers walk off the job. plus, the israel/hamas war has sparked a rising tide of anti-semitism in the u.s. our next guest is curating a list of all the companies that have spoken out to condemn the hamas terrorist attack and denounce anti-semitism. 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[dog barks] no it's just a bunny! only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ the leaders of the automobile companies agree for all the workers on strike can go back to work immediately even before the vote is taken. i've always believed that the middle class built america and that unions built the middle class. that's especially the case for united autoworkers. >> 33 past the hour, president biden speaking yesterday on the tentative deal between general motors and the united autoworkers. let's bring in andrew ross sorkin for more. this is good news for president biden. >> it's very good news for president biden and very good news for the autoworkers. on average, they're going to get about a 25% raise over the period of the four-year term of this deal, plus in some cases a $5,000 bonus. that puts the average autoworker at about $80,000 before overtime pay and the like. now, on the other side since we always like to talk about all the sides, the truth is that the price of a car is likely to go up. so given the new costs that are going to be added into this, the average car should cost about $800 to $900 more than it did yesterday. of course there will be questions and debates about that and inflation and the like given all the transitions in the auto industry. >> autoworkers on strike, actors on strike, now it looks like pharmacy workers may be going on strike. >> this is called phmageddon. it's a very real thing, whether it's cvs, walgreens. there are employees in these stores walking out, really trying to bring attention to the fact that so many of these companies have slashed their costs by slashing the number of employees, ramped up the amount of work they're all going. what they're really doing is trying to highlight not just the worker conditions, but the problems that can create for consumers, which is to say that when you go get a prescription, you want folks who are focused, paying attention. it's very important they put the right drugs in the right amounts in those bottles for you. if anybody's been to a cvs lately, it's a mess for everybody. if you go back and look at the number of prescriptions these folks were working on even a decade ago compared to now, it's like half of the number of people who are doing the same job before. now there's even more prescriptions to fill. it's a real issue. the question, of course, is what are these companies going to do. cvs makes $2 billion a quarter, maybe more now. it's not that these companies are poverty stricken, but there's a real push to clamp down on cost. some of these companies recently tried to reduce some of their costs in the wake of the pandemic. >> it's really outrageous. let's talk about oil. >> this is a day of news. >> i know. with this war going on, if it expands out, some reports said oil can reach 150. >> $157. that's the worst case scenario. this is the world bank, which tries to predict where oil prices are going to go. let me be very careful in what i say. their worst case scenario is that oil, which is by the way in the low 80s right now, would go to about $157 a barrel in the worst case. their base case scenario is that oil is going to go up to about $90 from where it is now and come back down again. we'll see where all of that lies. if this war were to escalate in a meaningful way, that's bringing us back to 1973 in terms of what was going on with oil at that time and what it did to roil the entire global economy. >> it does remind us how foreign policy is often so impacted by oil. you go back to 2018, donald trump giving a waiver to the iranians to sell oil to china, to sell oil to india, to sell oil to other nations. thank you so much. we continue to follow the rise in anti-semitism on college campuses. the white house is stepping in with a new plan to counter the surge. stephanie gosk has the latest. >> reporter: on college campuses nationwide, jewish and muslim students worry the war overseas is fuelling hate here at home. >> i do not feel safe. it's not just me. it's most of the jews on our college campus. >> reporter: earlier this month at columbia university, an israeli student was assaulted while posting images of israeli hostages. these jewish students say it's one of many anti-semitic incidents on campus. they're calling on school leaders to do more to protect them. >> reporter: have you felt a change in tone on campus? >> absolutely. people are being spit on. >> reporter: muslim students are worried too. a group said they had safety concerns about doing an interview, adding muslim student students have had hijabs ripped off. the biden administration unveiled new steps to combat strife on campuses, including making it easier to file a discrimination complaint. >> president biden has been clear. we can't stand silent in the face of hate. >> reporter: the kind of hate cornell university is facing after anti-semitic messages threatening violence were posted online. campus police now protecting the center for jewish living, but students are rattled. it's not just students, the conflict on campuses affecting faculty and staff too. the dean of uc berkeley law school. >> i've never seen anything like the last three weeks. >> reporter: he supports freedom of speech, however hateful, but says the key is how schools respond. >> we've got to speak out on hate when it occurs. >> it's absolutely staggering, the levels of anti-semitism especially on college campuses. jewish kids especially feel threatened. many just stopped going to classes because they feel under threat. you know, we've talked about anti-semitism on campuses for a very long time. i tell you what. how sick and perverse that a terror attack against jews leads to what the "wall street journal" rightly calls in their lead editorial today a global war on jews. and there is, whether you look at russia, whether you look at germany, london, elite college campuses, there is a global war on jews. the question is, what are administration officials at colleges across america going to do to protect jews on college campuses and, yes, muslims as well. what are they going to do? they've been very slow these first three weeks, very slow. disturbing. >> our next guest has created a tracker of all the companies that have spoken out to condemn hamas and express solidarity with israel and in a way pointing out the companies that have not. professor jeffrey sonnenfeld serves as an advisor for the 2020 abraham accords. >> i want to talk to you about oil and what andrew was talking about later. let's talk about your list first. let me ask you, i think it's great that it's positive. you're talking about the companies that are doing something. i have to start by asking you whether we're talking about college campuses or hollywood. there are a lot of jews in hollywood that are absolutely shocked that nobody's come to their defense. silence. they don't want to offend fans and speak out against jews being raped, shot, burned, held hostage. why? >> good to be back, but tough set of questions we're wrestling with here. it makes halloween seem pretty easy. my colleague tim snider, the great political historian, talks about how when major institutional voices in civil society don't speak out, that's when we see society break down. it was said what was really valuable in looking at our legal system wasn't the tightness of the laws, it was the looseness with them. it was because people in civil society speak out and tell us what's truth and tell us what we can believe in. he called this fundamentally a good will that was -- >> you can say the same thing about the presidency. whether you look at the constitution or laws surrounding the presidency have always relied on the good will of the president of the united states. that's why the tragedy of trump exposed the weaknesses and showed that we rely too much on the good faith of who's in that office. >> which was why we're so glad that the ceos spoke out and modeled that social capital. the elections in 2020 were on tuesday, the 3rd. on the 5th is when, of course, trump went on national television, declared powers he had and said he won. who spoke out first? it was the ceos. they've done that again now as they did with ukraine. we had 1200 companies pull out. people are saying where are the ceos? they've been there. i want to know where everybody else is in civil society. >> when you talk about the good will of a president, don't forget when charlottesville happened and they were marching talking about we will not be replaced, they were talking about jews. donald trump said there are good people on both sides. so this gives us in our my opinion an important reason for ceos to stand up. i saw some ceos stand up during george floyd that later disappeared. are they doing something in their companies to monitor anti-semitism and islamophobia. >> companies are sending money. companies are putting in policies. i think companies are showing great leadership. as every other sector in society, academia, the clergy, public officials have fallen in public trust, while ceos are ascending. we have babies with heads cut off. where was save the children? where was amnesty international? oxfam is out there condemning the victims. >> it's grotesque. it shows a built-in anti-semitism in all these groups. look at all the condemnations of israel through the years and then hamas, how many condemnations of hamas through the years. >> that gets to what do we know about the past, about history, about the history of jews in the world, not just the united states. my question to you would be, what role does a seemingly combination of political, cultural and educational amnesia have to do with all of this, things taught in high school, in grade school and things not taught. we live in a country now where it's easier to ban books than it is to ban assault rifles that kill children in these classrooms. >> you're exactly right. we don't teach the holocaust. in high schools we just rely on these few remaining very elderly survivors to talk to us about it, which is shameful. your brother would tell us, mika, that half of what is today's ukraine was part of poland for many centuries. the soviets took it over. then of course after the soviet union melted down, it became accepted as part of ukraine. who's the biggest defender of the current ukraine? it's poland. they're not trying to reclaim that land today. they accept the boundaries drawn. 19 million people were displaced between india and pakistan in 1947. but they're not doing this kind of stuff to each other. this is a problem that jews and arabs have much of the same genetic composition, virtually indistinguishable. there was no ancient ownership of this land. jews have been there continuously for 5,000 years, but for 2,000 years we've had jews as victims that get blamed for their victimhood. i'm glad you mentioned charlottesville. it was a ceo who said i can't speak for merck, but i can't live with this. he happened to be one of only five black ceos at the time. the first time in american history that the commander in chief said follow me and the business community said no we're not. >> you talk about oil. you heard andrew's reporting there. you're an expert on the subject. where do you see it going? >> i don't have anywhere near the same tragic view that andrew has. you could take those alarmist views and every major analyst said we were going to have oil close to $400 a barrel after the ukrainian war. we never got anywhere near that. right now we're in the low 80s. that's great. a year ago we were talking about what's going on with saudi arabia. they need to put a cap on iranian finally tightened the screws. >> do they need to be tightened again? >> they took it down to a couple hundred thousand barrels a day. >> that oil revenue funds hamas, funds hezbollah -- >> exactly. >> funds the huti rebels. funds the terrorism across the globe. >> how do you replace it? give us back the saudi -- during the trump years. they didn't like trump. they cut back one-third of the production. that third of production is just 4 million barrels. everything that it's a swap for the iranian oil. no problems in the markets. and china can buy from saudi arabia instead of iran. >> senior associate dean at the school of management, jeffrey seinfelt. a landmark executive order issued by president biden, establishes new standards of safety surrounding artificial intelligence. we'll talk about that with a pioneering a.i. researcher from m.i.t. back in two minutes. gold to us. start your free trial today. whenever you're hungry, there's a deal on the subway app. buy one footlong, get one 50% off in the subway app today. now that's a deal worth celebrating. man, what are you doing?! get it before it's gone on the subway app. ♪♪ president biden signed an executive order on artificial intelligence yesterday, that will attempt to put in place new checks and balances on the emerging technology. the order requires a.i. companies to share safety st results with the federal government, that includes risks that their systems could aid adversaries in hurting the u.s. joining us now, groundbreaking m.i.t. researcher, the founder of the algorhymic justice league. her new book is entitled, "unmasking a.i.: my mission to protect what is human in a world of machines." what humanity is left. really. thank you for joining us. talk about the unintended consequences of a.i. that you are addressing in this book? >> think about an ism and it's going with a.i. if you have a.i. tools that systematically take out the resumes if it has a woman's college listed on it. you might get a boost if your name is jared or you played lacrosse. think about in health care, where people's insurance is getting cut off short. they don't get all of the medical treatment they need and it's higher costs hater on. you have schools adopting systems meant to catch cheating and so forth. black and brown students are more likely to be flagged as cheating and english has a second language. >> interesting and worrisome. can the same technology be used to avoid this? and make it a more equitable playing field? >> i think it's important that we don't just look at technical systems but social-technical systems. that's why it's so important. trying to fht a.i. with a.i., having safety teams in place. at ajl we have a n type of role. an a.i. harm's analyst. people can send in reports of what's going on sometimes before companies know there's a problem. i think we don't want to look at it as a tech against tech situation. >> i'm afraid to ask you a question. the founder of the -- i can't even say it. >> i'm shaking. before asking you this question. the question is -- why are so many people afraid of a.i.? >> i think part of it is being caught between fear and fascination. is a.i. going to replace me? it's not just, can i write the essay for the kid in school? can i write the newscast. you have deep fakes. >> this is like technology gone wild. i don't know how you can put controls on it. >> that's what the executive order attempts to do. i think it's a good starting ground. it's happening across the pond in the u.k. the safety summit is going to look at what governance of a.i. looks like. >> the fear that a.i. could be used around elections. disinformation has been raised. is that unfounded? and if there is not, how do we make sure that we are not seeing misinformation used because of a.i. >> that fear is grounded. we've seen deep fakes of head of states saying what they never said. >> it happened in slovakia. it swung the election in slovakia. >> this is a real concern. we have synthetic media. and a.i. systems that you're not sure is real or fake, it creates a liars' dividend. now, we have questioning everything we see. >> we need to have you back. 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