Transcripts For MSNBCW Lockup San Quentin---Extended Stay 20190811

San quentin is home to more than 5,000 inmates ranging from the most violent offenders in california. Ill rob you in a minute. Dont get me wrong. I pulled a gun on this man and shot him six times in his chest. To the all too common parole violators flooding the system. I do drugs. Thats my violation. The overpopulated san quentin serves as the Reception Center for 17 counties in california. Theres 384 inmates in this gym. Right now i have six staff members. Its forced to house a dangerous mix of high and lowrisk inmates. You got the drugs, you got the inmates to manufacture alcohol, you got the gangs, the weapons. So it can be real dangerous at times. Ive been a pretty successful robber. Level 4 inmates, the worst in california, are housed at san quentin while awaiting Permanent Transfer to other facilities. I used to rob stores, you know, and that in itself is a rush that you cant explain. Its like whoa, i can i own the world. I can do whatever i want. I can better than any ceo in the world, i can instruct you to do whatever i want you to do with a pistol, you know . Its an adrenaline you can never get from anything else. Unfortunately theres a consequence to it. Because i got a strike my years has doubled, which is like up to 521 years. And i got 11 consecutive life terms. I know why im here, but i can see why most of you are here. Hella stupid. In our three months of taping, we never heard an inmate so willing to detail his own crime, especially with an appeal pending. Ive invaded many a home, not necessarily the ones i was convicted for. All right . Ive invaded other peoples homes, you know. People that play the same game i play, sell drugs, whatever. I go in this home. Howd you get in . Through the front door. How you get in . Door wasnt locked . Of course. Doors locked, you go through it. Break down the door. Alarm goes off. Each of us take a room. Got to cover everybody at one time. Because it could be dangerous, you can get killed just as well. I take a room, which happened to be a sons room, kick him, wake up. Wakes up, flashlight in his eyes. And black room, he dont know whats going on. Snatch him up, throw him down. Put his ankles together, zip him up. His hands together, got his bag, zip him up. Handsing to, got his bag, zip him up. It looked like he was somebody in high school. He had trophies, you know, little athletic sport guy, you know, played football you could tell, things like that. You know. So i could see him trying to be a hero or something for his family, you know . So that was my concern, okay . Maybe he might be a threat. Not that im really worried about it. It just means that i might have to do something i dont want to do such as shoot him or whatever, you know . Im not going to fight. Im not here to see who can win. Im here to win. At this time, hes calling out to his little sister which is right next door almost. You know, hey, thats my little sister, shes only 14, bro, leave her alone, this and that. All right. Thats fine. Im not worried about her, im worried about you right now. I guess the father came down from the stairs to turn the alarm off. At that time, he was greeted by other people, turned the alarm off. Once you got it under control, this is going to sound like a dirtbag, but im just keeping it real. You can actually sit down, drink one of their sodas, make one of them sandwiches. Hell, you can watch an hour of tv if you want. You can leave in their car when youre done. And that 14yearold girl . Okay. Put yourself in her shoes. Do you think youve changed anybodys life in that home . Most definitely. I mean, ive wrecked on my bicycle when i was a kid and i remember that, let alone Something Like this. You know, i mean, i didnt say i didnt have no remorse for them. You asked me the story. I told you. As one said, you live by the gun, you die by the gun. Theres so much truth to that. I mean, might not die physically but emotionally i might have died, you know . Thats why were here. You know, a lot of people are like, you got good spirits. How do you do it . I couldnt even imagine being in your situation. Im like, well, you know what . I think i deserve this. You know, i knew better when i was doing what i was doing. I knew the consequences. I knew the rules to the game. I played it, and i lost. Now to sit here and be miserable and make other people miserable because of my wrongdoings, its not the right way to be, you know . I know how to live comfortable in here. Coming up on lockup extended stay. Nearly 20 years on death row, now hes out. I wanted the Death Penalty, to be honest with you. groans hmph. food grunting menacingly when the food you love doesnt love you back, stay smooth and fight heartburn fast with tums smoothies. Tum tumtum tum tums with tums smoothies. 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San quentins condemned row houses californias most heinous criminals, such as the 1980s night stalker richard ramirez, the man who killed polly klaas, Richard Allen davis, whose crime led to californias three strikes law, and scott peterson, convicted of murdering his pregnant wife. The bottom line is, we dont allow filming in condemned row simply because its department policy. Though denied access to condemned row, our producers found an inmate who lived there for nearly 20 years. When i arrived on death row, it was in the winter of 91. I remember because it was real cold, there was icicles on the ground. My condition for the Death Penalty was the double felony, the murder then the robbery, but you know, if you move a person from one spot to another so many feet, its kidnapping. So they claimed it was kidnapping, threw another felony on there. During that time, i was young. I was wild. I was angry. The jury verdict was it wasnt something i didnt expect. So, you know, at that time, and point, i wanted the Death Penalty, to be honest with you. Because i wanted to come up here and, you know, hang out until i was executed. But then that changed as time went on. Death row was the worsest place on the planet. Youve been sentenced to die. Extinction, its over with. The finality. You stay in your cell for orientation for several days until you meet the committee. Then you go meet the committee. Thats when the process really starts. From that point forward, then thats when you start to realize youre really on death row. A lot of people cant deal with it so they commit suicide. Or they become introverts. And they start to go crazy. My case was overturned in 2003 for a violation. So i was sent back to the county jail to have a new trial. I lost the trial again and they hung on the Death Penalty. So they decided after about several months not to refile the Death Penalty. So they sent me back to san quentin. It feel good to get off death row, but it hasnt sunk in yet. You know, it will in time but it hasnt yet. They removed me from death row and put me in the Reception Center. The Reception Center is the most disgusting place in san quentin. I dont know how i ended up over there, but they removed my a1a status. Which is that mean i was programmed and i receive all the benefits of programming. Contact visits, packages, you know, yard. But they put me in Reception Center status which is zero status. You receive nothing. You sit in the cell for 24 hours a day. Seven days a week, two days out of a week you get yard for three hours and the rest of the time youre stuck in a cell, in a small cell with a celly. I havent had a cellie in 20 years, so its hard learning cell etiquette. I dont know cell etiquette. Im a fish out of water. He still hasnt learned yet. Hes kind of off. They should have gave him medical attention before they brought him in the cell. Mental attention. Mental attention. Yeah. Dude has issues still. Yeah, got issues. You spend 20 years on death row, youre going to have some issues. Yeah, he has big issues. I was lucky, i was very lucky and they put me in a cell with a older black gentleman whos been around, and hes you know, hes open to teaching me. So hes teaching me about cell etiquette and prison etiquette again because i dont know about prison et quit any no longer. I only know about death row etiquette which is different from main line etiquette. Heres what we do all day, me and joe joe. We sit here, he say the stupidest thing that pop in his mind and we play cards. That what we do all day every day. In case youre interested, if you see this woman right here anywhere, you tell her to write me. And i mean that. He mean that. And hes serious. With a full life now ahead of him, omars focus has turned to helping others. Now i want to live. I want to live and i want to accomplish things. I want to help the young brothers. I want to help my people. During my incarceration, ive learned math and a bunch of other things, history. And i would like to share some of this stuff with some of the younger brothers coming into prisons from the community i come from, who i know are going to come to prison, theyre going to have dates. When they leave prison, theyre going to leave prison with the same thing they came to prison with, nothing. And i want to get these brothers basic education, teach them basic mathematics, basic reading. I want to teach them this is not it. They dont want to come in and spend the rest of their life being told what to do. They want to be able to be free. Then maybe when they go home theyll feel good about themselves and take care of their families, take care of their children, you know, and help another brother, you know. Coming up on lockup extended stay. Inmates unleash their longsuppressed rage. Now frustrated and hated even more now that hatred is so bad that my heart is cold this was me six years ago. 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Its over. I came to prison and started into the same behavior. I was like for the first nine years, i was using whatever i could, drugs, prison alcohol. Just trying to do anything that i could to escape the reality of my situation and what i had done. You know. And that just selfmedicating, again, the same way i was on the street. All the pain, everything that came up for me, that was my solution, to selfmedicate. And thats what i did. In his struggle to conquer addiction, rusty discovered a passion for counseling others. Ive been in 12step programs for, oh, geez probably about 18 years now, 19 years. But the Current Program im in, its called a. R. C. Its Addiction Recovery counseling. Its a fourmonth program which is a stateoftheart Addiction Treatment program. Its the first one ever in the world as far as we know thats completely run and has counselors who are inmates, who are trained inmates. Its one thing to sit across the desk from somebody in a suit and tie whos not in recovery, whos never been there, that doesnt have know the first thing about getting busted, going to a county jail or going through a prison experience. Its a whole other thing when youve got a guy sitting across from them, right, thats been there. That can totally relate to what this guys saying. In addition to helping his fellow inmates, rusty hopes his efforts may influence his parole. I worked my points down through the years after coming into a level 2 facility, and ive been to the board 17 times. Ive received 17 oneyear denials. Ive been disciplinaryfree for 19 years, and in memory of the victim and theres nothing i can do to take back what ive caused, all i can do is change who i am and all i can do is serve, serve mankind, serve humanity, any way possible to make up for what i did. Lord i am tired of being lord i tell you one thing about san quentin, we got flavor here. We got flavor. Programs like the annual poetry slam provide inmates a creative release, helping them to avoid potential disciplinary writeups and longer sentences. Nobody scrap we rob to the high now i fall to my knees and raise my hands to the sky note i used to live by the scrap would rob to get high now i fall to my knees raise my hands to the sky its like im buried alive its like im buried alive alive alive alive alive alive alive alive [ cheers and applause ] this is the san quentin poetry slam here sponsored by Patton College university. And i believe this is the fifth. This is the first time i actually participated in it. Judges, let us see the scores for brother montgomery. We got a 10. A 10. A 10. A 9. 3, a 10. Were going to drop the 9. 3, drop the 10. He got a 30. Sporting baby foot twisting strands of baby brown hair around scarlet fingertips resting her palm on willow tree hips this ones entitled the funeral. Wait a minute, get in character. Scent of flowers assaults my nose, carnations, rose, the smell of green. I like a wedding. You can sit where you want. No usher hushing, bride or groom. Funny, all women look good in black. I think im going to do pretty good on the poetry. Im a little nervous and dont fully remember my poem. I think it will come. As soon as i get out there, it will just flow. Please excuse me if this is a little graphic. I will cut as much of the cussing i can out. [ laughter ] keep it real, home boy. I am. Get real. Ready . Who would have thought the penal law would send a 15yearold boy to Juvenile Hall give him 15 to life for taking another life but never consider the fact that he wasnt right a coldblooded murderer that only think of himself couldnt that be a sign, a cry for effing help dont know nothing else and all he seeing is death and killing so what the hell all he seeing was kicking my until one day i got so tired i stab my new dad my new father wasnt right he used to do the same thing beating her every night until the ultimatum down the hall knocking down every picture and mirror on the wall a bunch of bes and hos and out the door never saw him no more until i got older finally answered the phone there i was listening to his voice it wouldnt close now im frustrated and hated his ass even more now hatred is so bad my heart is cold i dont want to see you no more [ cheers and applause ] short people really got a lot of pentup anger, dont they . Dont make him mad. Judges we need the score for mighty mouse. Who just went. We have a 9. 5, a 10 plus a 9. 5, 9. 8, 9. 8, so the winner is whos first . Thats all i want to know. Montgomery. Please come up to the mic. I did very good, came in second place. That was good. Some people say i got cheated but it was no, that was very great. It was fun all the way around. Im very happy. This is my first time entering. Maybe next year ill come back and win it. Ill put together some more material, some better material, and try to take it all. Next on lockup extended stay. In for parole violation, this inmates behavior could earn him permanent residence. He keeps getting in trouble. He batters the officers. Hes resistant. He uses alcohol in custody. Dont matter. Soft oh, what am i into . Mostly progressives name your price tool. Helps people find Coverage Options based on their budget. Flo has it, i want it, its a whole thing, and shes right there. Yeah, shes my ride. This dates lame. 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Daddy when are you coming home we dont want to spend another christmas with you gone mama cries most every night shell always feeling blue daddy we dont want to spend another christmas without you san quentins hunit houses level one and two inmates, many of whom are parole violators serving short sentences. Down here is a little more laidback atmosphere with the inmates but at any time, they could turn on you. Before, i was working in donner section. When we first met c. O. Cavagnolo, he dealt with high level inmates in desegregation. Now he works in a dorm setting. I have 200 inmates and its only me. Its like going totally other side of the spectrum. Everything down here is observation, just watching, listening, getting the feel for the dorm and if youre always watching, you can tell when somethings starting to go bad, hopefully stop it before it gets bad, but things happen down here all the time. You have a lot of drugs down here. Partner found two hypodermic needles in this dorm about three days ago. So you got the drugs, you got the inmatemanufactured alcohol, you got the gangs, you got the weapons. So it can be real dangerous at times. I got to do three searches a day. So we just pick them randomly. This guy i havent did yet since i been down here so its his lucky day. Im going to get this guy, get him to unlock his locker. Okay, you guys got me in trouble. Go ahead and unlock your locker, man. Lock it . Unlock it. My lockers unlocked. Thats yours right there . No. Is he around . No. Can i move something out of mine real quick . Come on, come on. [ bleep ]. This is the first time i think i got like nine days left. Though parole violations bring these inmates to prison, internal violations could keep them here indefinitely. Looking for weapons, drugs, any type of contraband, stuff like this. Hes got this, probably make an illegal stinger out of it to heat up food, whatever. Stuff like that they cant have. Could blow out the power back here. How long have you been in prison, on and off . A long time. Ive had this number since 1992. Im not catching terms or anything like that. Im having a hard time with parole right now. Why . I do drugs. Thats my violation right there. Theres my lighter. 58919. Its a salt water lighter. Alls it is, you put a paper clips through here and there, youve got a hot one going from here to there, same thing there. You run a wire from one to the other. Fill this full of water and put two salts in it. It wont blow a circuit that way. Its a lighter. You plug it in and this gets red hot. For what . To light cigarettes. Not that i smoke. I dont smoke. I was holding it for a friend. Yeah. You know were taking this stuff. Yeah. Lets take a walk up front real quick. Straight up to the podium. This writeup may be minor, but enough violations could earn an inmate a cell in administrative segregation. My case right now is from receiving stolen property in 2001. Im on parole right now, been on parole for the last three years. So im just getting violations. I havent caught a new case, just getting violations. I came to prison for a dui. They gave me 90 days for that, and sixmonth drug program. Im in ad seg because i left from the hole last time like a year and a half ago, they gave me assault on staff. Since i was in the shoe when i left, they brought me back in the hole, thats how they do it. Now im waiting to go to icc to find out when theyre going to let me get out. Matthew usually returns to prison for petty crimes. He has a history of committing more serious offenses behind bars. Hes capable of a lot of violence in custody in the prison system. And in fact, he hasnt been in a general population setting since i think maybe 2003. And thats because he keeps getting in trouble. He batters the officers. Hes resistant, uses alcohol in custody. Whoops. That didnt work. Good, how are you . Good. This is institution Classification Committee. This is for administrative segregation inmates and this is a due process issue where we bring them in, review why theyre in ad seg and, you know, go over the issues of why theyre locked up in ad seg and what they can expect from here. Name and cdc number, sir. Matthew national, 245854. Todays Classification Committee is warden ayres. You were at corcoran state prison, referred to our csr for transfer, csr approved and you were retained. You have done your shoe related time. Therefore, the recommendation is to release you to the rcgp. Okay. Do you have any problems with being released . Yes, i got a problem to gp because im not a gp. I dropped out. You in a gang . Yes, i am affiliated with a gang, yes. Youre a dropout of what . Out of the woods. But right now, im just concerned about my housing, where im going to be housed. Thats all im worried about right now. By releasing him today we can make him a1 status and that will give him the opportunity to parole today. So it doesnt matter where youre going to be housed. We can go ahead and release you and keep you here pending your parole. Understand that, nasholm . Yes. Okay. So if we grant you a onetime for the time youve been in ad seg, then they take this up and run it through Records Office and you parole today. You understand that . Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead and release you today. Officially release you today. Have a nice day. Youll be staying in your cell till they come get to you take to you r and r, okay. Okay, thank you. All right. You have a right to appeal. A miracle happened or something. They said i was going to get released today, and when i come back to prison, i wont come back to the hole. Matthews transition to freedom proves to be more complicated than he anticipated. Whats going on, boss . Come on in, lets do it. All right. In the chair. How you doing . How you doing . All right. We thought you were going home too, but you know how before you go home the analyst takes a look at your case, sees if anybodys interested in you and the Sonoma County Sheriffs Office is interested in you. Looks like you had a Little Health and safety code violation and contempt of court. You know why . Because they said i have to i had to be there i had to i was in custody. They said i had to go to their their dui class 21 days after my after my release from the court date. And i never got released because i got four days time served and then i got a violation here. So i was never out to make it over there. I figured they would take care of it. You know but i guess apparently they didnt. It looks like its going to be a ride home. Its 20,000 bail. Theyre misdemeanors. Youre not going to get any more prison time for them. But we are making some pickup arrangements for you. So Sonoma Countys going to drive down and pick you up the next couple of days. We never tell you exactly when its going to happen. Do you have any questions . No, i guess thats plain as day. You know what im saying . All right. We didnt know. We thought you were out the door, too. You know how things pop up at the last minute. Yeah. Okay. All right, mr. Nasholm, take care. Matthew will leave san quentin, but instead of going home, hes headed straight to county jail. Were finished with him for now. If he violates his parole, if he commits another felony, we might see him again. Next on lockup extended stay, no bars, no locks, no room for error. Breaking all my rights. Ith. Not this john smith or this john smith. Or any of the other hundreds of john smiths that are humana Medicare Advantage members. No, its this john smith, who met with humana to create a Personalized Care plan. At humana, we have more ways to care for your health, and we find one that works just for you. No matter what your name is. The first person to survive alzis out there. 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Another day on the job. Almost all the individuals down here are parole violators, theyve been out on parole, couldnt hack it. Got picked up for something, they sent them back in here. They generally do six months, under a year, something of that nature. They go mainline to another institution and do the rest of their time or theyre released back out on parole. Prison systems severely overcrowded. Beds are at a premium. This is the rc overflow. We house 384 individuals. The gym being its an open dorm. We have tvs, considered pretty much the luxury suites of the Reception Center. I have three sets of showers broken down by race in the gym. They selfsegregate. We do not tell them where to go. The shower closest to the left is all whites. The middle shower will be only your blacks. The far right shower is your hispanics and others. The tables along the day room right here are broken up into races. This is the others. The table for others. Others, others. Were not gang members. Other than black, other than white. This guys an American Indian right here, a native american. Were all from different counties and different cities. But this brings us all together as one. Its a show of unity. Everybody eats. We dont have to eat, but thats how you show love. Its anyones table. Were just playing a game here. But i mean, theres just certain races that you can play games with right here. And for white people its what it is, ami, American Indians. Thats pretty much about it, aint it . Theres three different types of mexicans. Surenos, nortenos and pices. And we can sit with serenos and we can sit with pices. Dont ask me why. But we cant play with the black folks. I would get beat up. Youd get in a fight over it. Thats just the way it is. Theres more racism here than there is in, you know, in civilization for sure. If you dont come in prejudiced, you might leave prejudiced. Anything we take for granted on the outside is worth money. Books go for a premium in here. Food is worth money. Soups are 20 cents apiece in prison money. Inmates will use virtually anything for bartering. Many items not issued by the prison can be purchased in the canteen. These are the treasured ice creams. They love these ice creams. We carry a full variety, at least four or five flavors. Cdc number . You want a spoon with that . Yes, please. When the guy comes up to get his order filled, we have our workers fill the order by what he puts on this list right here. And if theyve got enough money, well fill it. Well fill it up to the point that they run out of money. So if ice cream is on the end of the list and they run out of money, they dont get the ice cream. Thank you. We have different categories of guys. If you have what you call a1a status, which is the highest status, kind of like a credit rating, highest status you can have, the credit group, you can spend up to 180 at the canteen. And it goes down according to whatever your status is. You may have gotten in trouble, you may be in the lockup unit so you can only spend 70, some guys can only spend 90, so that limits your purchasing power. There you go. All right. Okay, this is just some of the things that we handle. They got the chili cheese chips and potato chips. As you can see, theres all types of sodas. Were loaded on coffee. Candy bars, of course. The cookies are big and the ramen, the noodles are probably about the biggest seller. They buy those cases at a time. Thats the staple of what they make. See, now i just spent all my money. These are some of the things we have to take off. Containers of milk. Things you take for granted in your home. This could be made into a slashing device. We have to remove these for the condemned especially. Give me that bag. Oh thats another thing you got to worry about. Next on lockup extended stay. Inmates show atrisk kids realities of prison. Lets be real. What you going to do . What am i going to do . 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You have an opportunity to leave out of this place and never come back. We try to show them this is what could happen if you keep doing what youre doing. All right, you guys. Where you guys is at right now, you guys is in r and r, which is receiving and release. When you decide you guys wants to commit crimes and the judge sentences you to a certain amount of time, this is the first place youre going to go when you get off of that bus. For you guys who like to wear your nice shoes, who like to wear fubu, nike, Michael Jordan, all of that good clothes, polo, when you come here, all of thats gone. This is your polo. These are your nikes. These are your filas and your reeboks. Thats your fubu. This is your Michael Jordan gear. This is your polo. This is your nice 501 jeans, you guys. This is what you guys sell yourself for. Who speaks spanish here . Can you read that . [ speaking spanish ] what does that mean . Something about Sexual Assault. Sexual assault. They warning you about Sexual Assault in prison, how to protect yourself against it. The inmates are in essence the deterrent that will guide these youth back to a life of contributing to society. This is the building we live in, north block. And this building they have little small cells that are 9 x 4, nine feet tall, four feet wide. Thats smaller than a walkin closet, you guys, but yet two men live in those cells in that building. Look where you at, man, you in a cage like an animal. Have you ever been to a zoo . Yeah. The cages for the monkeys are bigger than this, right . Okay then, so what does that tell you about yourself . Tell you about herself. They got more freedom than this. The animals get more freedom than us, right . So you need to really be thinking. Theyre treating me lower than animals, lesser than animals. But you cant blame it on them. I said this is because of the consequences of your actions. When you do something wrong, when you do something wrong, this is where you can end up. These are the possible solutions to you committing crime is putting you in a cage. In addition to showing them the realities of prison, the inmates challenge these youths assumptions of that i recall their lives on the street. This is why i connect with you. I love the same thing you love. It was fun to put hands on somebody and show my home boy im the man. And you dont want nothing either. Respect, right . Whats your name. Marco. What do they say in the hood . Marco throw down. Dont mess with marco, right . Thats what they tell you. Thats what they told me because they knew i was willing to fight for nothing. On site, lets go. You think you can whip me, then lets whip. This is why i tell you this. That fighting, eventually it got tiring. Because i was literally fighting every day, every single day of my life i was fighting. The homies already knew, romeo, he throw down. I thought let me start carrying this knife. Let me start carrying this pistol. And it took one day and all of about three or four seconds for me to pull my pistol out on somebody that could have easily just fought, whooped them and been done with it, and i pulled a gun on this man and shot him six times in his chest because he liked the color blue. Youre 15, right . Yeah. Do you want to come to jail at 15 years old . Do you want to come to prison and have to be in the yard, sand up, let me see how tall you are. This is me. This was me when i came to prison. This was me right here. How tall are you, about 51 how much you weigh, 100 some. This was me when i came to prison. Stand up, rhino. Come on, now, man, what am i going to do . Lets be real. What you going to do . What you going to do to him . You going to hurt him . I probably wont hurt him. What you going to do to him . Honestly. Because this is the same thing i had to ask myself. What am i going to really do up in here, as good as i can fight, what am i really going to do. Inmates also challenge the youths to see all of the potential consequences of their actions. When i am going to Juvenile Court and theyre telling me im not going to be tried as a juvenile, theyre going to sentence me to life in prison, when the man told me that, he said are you a coldblooded murderer and we want you to rot in prison. Im sentencing to you life in prison and he slammed down his little hammer and my mom screamed. How would your mom feel . This is what it took to get them to us. It took me to come to prison. It took shahib to realize theres more value in society and life than committing crime. With the knowledge they may never leave san quentin, the squires hope to never see these boys restrained by a security level. Its like i dont want to come over here. Not a good place to be. Overall, today was really, really good. I felt like i made a difference today. Americas prisons, dangerous, often deadly. There are 2 Million People doing time. Every day is a battle to survive. And to maintain order. Down on your feet down among the nations most notorious institutions, san quentin state prison. Our cameras spent months documenting life on the inside where gangs, drugs and sheer boredom make up a violent mix. This is lockup san quentin, extended stay