In wisconsin, 22vote margin, and she got 31,000 votes. Those are states that decided the election. Thats why investigators are looking at jill stein. Its no surprise the reaction to the russian meddling is polarizing but it Doesnt Matter whether the investigation goes right or left. These leads need to be run down. So if the committees doing it, maybe thats a good thing. Thats our show. Hardball starts now. Bad santa. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington where it was a day of high drama at the capitol. At this hour, were awaiting a senate vote on the republican tax bill that could come at any time. The house voted this afternoon, passing the bill despite every democrat opposing it, along with 12 republicans. Late today there was a wrinkle. House republicans said they will slightly alter the bill and revote tomorrow to ensure it fits with senate rules that allow it to pass with a simple majority. The Senate Parliamentarian had rejected several provisions snuck into the bill that arent budget related. They included, catch this, something on Home Schooling from ted cruz. And a tax benefit for a college, guess where, in Mitch Mcconnells home state of kentucky, earmarked just for that college. It is expected to pass the senate tonight. The tax bill slashes Corporate Tax rates. It kits have you had tax rates though the wealthy will disproportionately benefit. Republicans celebrated in what amounts to the most sweeping tax overhaul in a generation. This is a day ive been looking forward to for a long time. We br to achieve some really big things. Things that the cynics have scoffed at for years, decades that that seems to be shrouded in the way that trumps people understand this so far . Yes, its bizarre in that almost every Talking Point that republicans have made about this legislation is false is. Its not going to primary benefit the mill class. Its not going to raise taxes on the rich. Its not going to pay for itself. Its not going to super charge growth. And so on. So the question becomes, if in fact this is such a great idea, why not sell it on the merits . Why not say, you know what . We think that rich people deserve to have fatter paychecks, deserve to be able to keep more of their investment earnings, their passive income, and just sell it on those measures alone . And instead theyre just trying to hoodwink america. I think for that i think because americans are following this bill more closely than they might have otherwise, they are learning that a lot of these Talking Points are false, possibly all of them are false, and thats part of the reason they dont like the legislation. The polls show the republican tax bill is extremely unpopular in the country. The brandnew nbc news Wall Street Journal poll out tonight shows 41 disapprove, only 24 , less than onequarter, like this bill. A Monmouth Poll shows an even bigger gap, 47 approve, 26 disapprove. I think thats wrong. I think the other ones wrong, the middle one. Those were opposed as well. Look at that, disapprove 47 , approve 26 . All three polls, michael, say that your partys tax bill is against their interests. Yeah, and thats a problem. And i dont know how you go out there the to Middle America and make the case remember, particularly with the last poll, 55 that includes republicans. Thats not just democrats and independents in that number. So clearly there are enough people out there to the senators point who have been paying attention to this and trying to decide whether or not this does exactly what the leadership says it does, for me. And their conclusion so far is, it does not. And i think thats going to be a problem when it comes to selling the bill. Heres a problem i have. I grew up with republican parents, modern republicans, they werent well off. They didnt benefit from this republican bounty for the rich. Why do regular republicans who are not rich, including the rural people who voted for trump, cheering for a tax cut which goes to people that will theyll never meet, maybe see in a movie or hear about on wall street, theyll never meet these people, why do they say, great work, donald trump, keep giving money to the top 1 of 1 , people i will never be invited to their hopes, never meet them on the street because theyre not on the street. Why did they vote this way . Explain. Im not sure i can explain that. I can tell you consistent with your polling, the republicans in colorado, a lot of them hate this bill. And theyre still going to vote for trump. Maybe not again. Because what hes saying is completely conflicts with what he said on the Campaign Trail. Let me give you one example i bet your mom and dad, it would have driven them crazy. In this bill, the top 572,000 households, people that make more than 1 million, theyre getting 37 billion. In this bill. Year after year after year. And were not paying for it, were borrowing that money. So your parents would look at that and say, wait a minute. Wheres the fiscal responsibility of the Republican Party . Right. Since i was born i heard the Republican Party looked out for debts, it wasnt crazy in spending the democrats were the ba guys, they didnt care about the deficit. I was on the Campaign Trail for almost 18 months in 200910 talking about that very point, finding a lot of people who wanted to come to congress on that very point, to cut the nations debt. To cut the nations deficit spending. Remember the language. We werent were going to come to washington, not spend one dollar more than we take in, were not going to put a further burden on the backs of our kids and grandkids. And yet this is what this bill does. They had this trigger in here, theyre staying in year 2025 when all these great tax cuts that middle class is getting goes away, that that future congress and president is going to no were going to make it permanent. Well, thats going to add further money to the nations debt. Billy bob thornton is in the white house, bad santa has taken over. I was going to say, remember you were asking about dont Republicans Care about deficit . This goes back over 30 years, the idea of the two santa clauss. Democrats were the santa claus for spending. Giving out goodies to their constituents through the spending side. And republicans were the santa claus of tax cuts. Both parties had their own form of giveaways to their own consit wents. Except for one modest difference. Democrats idea of a goody was health care for kids. Yes. They didnt its called c. H. I. P. , a program the republicans are trying to kill. If you add up 1. 4 trillion, the projected deficit here, thats a huge amount of money if you going to deficit spend that you could treat people for opioids, where were losing 50,000 americans a year. You could fully train the 1,100 pilots that the air force how about trains that go over 35 miles an hour. How about that. That would be a start. Blame the engineer but the trains ought to be able to go faster than 35 miles an hour. And the roads and bridges that your mom and dad and my parents built for us. Our pioneer parents. I dont know if i have any. Not that far back. Immigrants from ireland somewhere. Donald trump ran as a populist, promising to fight for the forgotten man. Lets watch. We are fighting for every american who believes government should serve the people, not the donors and not the special interests. I want to save the middle class. The middle class, the Hedge Fund Guys didnt build this country, these are guys that shift paper around and they get lucky. The Hedge Fund Guys are getting away with murder, making a tremendous amount of money, they have to pay taxes. I want to lower the rates for the middle class. I will never stop fighting for you against the washington establishment. Im an Outsider Fighting for you. Thats what im doing. The forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. Tax reform will broeprotect low income and middle income households, not the wealthy and well connected. They can call me all they want, its not going to help. Im doing the right thing. And its not good for me, believe me. Katherine, you write a column, you have to write the truth, how does a guy get away by telling the nottruth . Everything he said, im going after wall street, everythings about the top, reducing it from 39 to 37, huge amounts of money at the top. Bringing the corporate rate down from 35 to 21. Basically getting rid of the estate tax altogether. Getting rid of the tax that made Companies Pay at least something, at least 21 , and now everything he promised he lied about. I shouldnt say lied. He mispromised about. Its going the opposite direction. The people are still cheering him. The people that were promised what hes not doing are cheering that hes not doing it. Why are they cheering . Why are they cheering . I think its more of a performtive thing, expressive thing. They feel like his demeanor, his affect, is simpatico, right . With them. With his voters. It doesnt really matter what he does, it Doesnt Matter what his policy actually looks like. Its not only on taxes, if you want to talk about ways in which he has forsaken the forgotten man, he has forgotten the forgotten man. Its on kneecapping the Consumer Financial protection bureau. Its on rolling back protections for students who have been defrauded on student loans. Its rolling back protections for people who might get black lung, for crying out loud. Hes supposed to be looking out for coal miners. Even in that case hes deregulating. So there are so many Policy Frontiers on which he has let down his public. But you know what these policies are complicated. And beyond that, again, i think that they just feel like he gets them, he speaks for them, they dont really care what he actually does in office, so long as he makes liberals angry. He does not only make liberals angry, talking about me here. He also makes your crowd, michael, your crowd, you take this, right . Yeah. Why does every damn every darn republican in the senate say yes, sir . They have a different value system than trump. Because they look back at their states and see where the president is polling in their neighborhoods and theyve got to go to over the christmas break and next year and campaign. Right now despite Everything Else that we may think and feel about whats good, bad or ugly about this bill, those members know that that is polling 60 . 70 . Back in their states. Or in their districts it could be higher. So thats a political pressure thats been brought to bear for a lot of these members as well. Which makes this much harder for them. If the pressure back at home was a lot less, if the numbers at home reflected what the National Number is for trump at 30 , trust me this would not be the bill you would see. I dont trust it. Let me ask you, it seems youve got to trust me. The bill is to give money to the rich, who will give him back money to run tv, theyll pay for the ads to tell the regular people that hes on their side. In other words the money will come from the people who gave them a big tax cut, the money will be used to bamboozle the regular people. Seems like a perfect system that works for trump. And it has worked. For some reason, whenever hes out there telling his tales, like he was in missouri the other day, he gets away with it. The rest of us need to be explaining whats actually in this bill. And somebody asked me the other day, how could these guys vote against it . I think michael your explanations a very good one. Im looking forward to going back to counties in colorado where the president won 70 , 80 , and explaining why i voted against. Id like to say i voted twice against this bill because it is so inconsistent with the fundamental promises that they made during his campaign. I hope your lyon like schumer and pelosi get the word out that this is a bank robbery of the average person. Nuances are important here. This is the time for populist democrats to make their noise. Senator michael bennet, i dont have to teach you guys. Sometimes i think i do. Michael steele and katherine, beautiful, thank you. Whats going to happen when white House Attorneys who want the Russia Investigation wrapped and up quashed meet muellers prosecutors who look like theyve got a year or more so go . Muellers work is nowhere near done, we can tell that, thats going to enrage trump and his allies who have been bamboozled into thinking this is over. The former director of National Intelligence says putin is using trump as an intelligence asset, an asset of the russians. Thats ahead. Trump pushing back against a report he nearly pulled the nomination of snowstorm Justice Neil Gorsuch because gorsuch criticized the president for attacking federal judges. Not the first time weve seen trump test the loyalty of his nominees but it might be one of the most damning. The trump tower tax cut hands democrats a silver plate issue to run on next november. Can they do it . Can they win, can they capitalize on a bad santa tax cut . How can republicans defend a tax plan that helps the rich while hurting nearly everyone else . The hardball roundtable with three big scoops youll be talking about for a while. When you book a flight then add a hotel you can save. Three waves later, i think it was the other way around. Davidiancy by one vote. It proves your votes matter. A threejudge panel must certify the results, thats questioned for tomorrow. This is moving with this victory democrats have flipped 16 seats in the Virginia House of delegates. Two districts are awaiting recounts. I feel like fire the 2018 cadillac xt5. Worship me beauty, greater than the sum of its parts. Come in for our seasons best offers and drive out with the perfect 2018 cadillac xt5. Get a lowmileage lease on this cadillac xt5 from around 379 per month. They expect to be working through much of 2018 at a minimum. Thats how i see it. This meeting comes after dozens of conservative lawmakers and Tv Personalities have escalated their attacks on the mueller probe. New reporting shows their strategy of discrediting the Special Counsel appears to have the blessing of trump himself. A white house adviser said the president has enjoyed the attacks on mueller, in recent weeks he has spoken to a number of fox news hosts, republican lawmakers and others who have cast gated muellers team. Im joined by coauthor of that report in the post, carol lennig, joyce transa forge federal prosecutor, Malcolm Nance is msnbc terrorism and National Security analyst. Thank you all. Carol, thank you for joining us. When this is going to happen . First of all, tell us how you put together this story. A little bit about trade craft. How do we know is trump being told, dont worry, be happy, youll be through this by christmas, theyre folding their tents . Are they telling this to keep him calm . Do they really believe it . Is this strategic . So that the country will feel, especially the trump folks, that, oh, theyre just overdoing it, theyre on a fishing expedition, how do you see the whole situation here . So without revealing too much tradecraft, ill just say that weve talked to people who have spoken with the president very recently. And he has, in their mind, described himself as very sure that he will be exonerated. As you know from your own coverage and ours, he has said for the last several months there was no collusion, i had no participation with russia, i did no business with russia, i dont know what this probe is about, its a terrible shadow over my presidency. And indeed, very, very recently within the last few days, people who are with him were surprised that even now, after one of his most senior advisers has pled guilty and is cooperating with muellers probe, even now the president has said he has no worries, his lawyers have told him hes in the clear, and he should learn of some confirmation of that soon. We obviously have different reporting that suggests, as is natural with a very large criminal probe, that this is going to go on for a long while. Let me go to joyce on that. Seems to me, im not a prosecutor or attorney, but seems to me theyve got their star witness, michael flynn, beginning to put him under the microscope of testimony, public testimony. If theyre going to do that. In terms of indictments of top people, theyve really not gotten near the president yet. I dont know why anyone would honestly believe this things coming to a head right now. I dont know why anyone would think that either, chris. This Investigation Looks like its still fairly early. Prosecutors have only just finished their first round of interviews of key white house players. Witnesses like hope hicks whose interviews will probably lead to a lot more questions, a lot more lines of investigation. Weve learned this week prosecutors have this Treasure Trove of documents from gsa, Transition Team emails, we know they have financial records. Thats the lengthy core part of any investigation. It takes awhile to follow that paper trail. And then as you say theres the witnesses, either to testify or defendants who will go to trial. A lot more work comes in that stage. And finally, key witnesses at the top of the food chain. People like Attorney General Jeff Sessions and Vice President pence yet to be interviewed. The president himself, its unlikely that this investigation closes without an interview of him. So these same lawyers who have been saying, it will be over by thanksgiving, it will be over by christmas, i think its equally likely theyre wrong when they say it will be over end of the year. This will go for at least an additional year. Malcolm, seems like weve got a baghdad bob situation, people saying were winning, its over, the fyings over. Saddam husseins not going to fall. Why are they saying something that churchill said, dont Say Something thats going to be disproven later or youre going to lose all your credibility. The question is what they actually believe. They live in sort of a hermetically sealed bubble. In which they actually believe this information. I mean, the president doesnt consume information that is negative to him. He only consumes information which comes from trusted sources that he believes. And if his lawyers are telling him that this is going to be secured by the end of the year, its possible hes waiting for the House Intelligence Committee to do some cursory wrapup and call it all a victory. I dont think the Mueller Investigation is going to finish, certainly not within a year. But some of the biggest hits of what could come potentially out of the Mueller Investigation are going to come in the middle of next year, and its going to if thats going to blind side the president , then hes in very serious trouble. Carol, thats a great question. Looks to me like if the president truly believes theyve exhausted all evidence, that theyre basically done, then he gets the word, oh by the way, muellers on this for another year, hes only begun to fight, is that going to intensify the chance he tries to dump muler . Theres been a drumbeat of concern, the idea of a Saturday Night Massacre or in this case a Christmas Eve massacre. Theres been some significant uptick in the furor of criticism of muellers team, more importantly, of the fbi agent that is were involved. The fbi honestly had a very bad week recently, revelations about internal emails, affairs, prohillary, antitrump commentary in teches. And you see all of these Opinion Naters coming out in the conservative world saying that this is just terrible, were going to have to get rid of this team because this whole process is tainted. It may be this is just a way to soften the ground for that moment. If mueller doesnt give the president the answer and his legal team the answer he wants, look, were going to wrap this up, your client has no problem, clean bill of health if he doesnt get that answer, we may see a different kind of communication from some of this group, this campaign that is pushing to end this probe. The former director of National Intelligence, we know him, james clapper, had sharp criticism for the president after trump said Vladimir Putin thanks him for the u. S. Intelligence that diverted a Terrorist Attack in st. Petersburg. Heres what clapper had to say of putins relationship with trump. I think this past weekend is illustrative of what a great case officer Vladimir Putin is. He knows how to handle an asset. And thats what hes doing with the president. Im saying this figuratively. I think we have to remember, putins background, hes a kgb officer. Thats what they do. They recruit assets. And i think some of that experience and instincts of putin has come into play here in his managing a pretty important account for him, if i could use that term, with our president. Joyce, what does that do to a prosecution case, so much like if you can claim everything adds up, all the communications with kushner and the president s son and all his people and flynn and carter page, all of them, all that stuff constitutes a rico charge that what in effect theyre doing is operating altogether under the leadership of the president. James clapper is saying hes basically operating like hes been taken in by the brilliant kgb guy, and somehow trump is orchestrating something on behalf of putin. Is that criminal . You know, this is a question that the mueller team will have to decide. And theyll decide it based strictly on the evidence. The question will be, was the president a knowing participant in russian efforts . And one suspects that theyll reach a bright line decision on that based on evidence of meetings, knowledge, what theyre hearing from witnesses, and theyll either decide, no, he was an unwitting participant in this with no criminal culpability, or perhaps theyll decide that they have to push harder, look further, to see if in fact the president did have knowledge, did willingly participate in some sort of a scheme. Malcolm, your thoughts about that term asset, one of putins assets, being trump. To be generous to director clapper, i think that what he was saying was just being illustrative from the Intelligence Community perspective of how a former human Intelligence Officer like Vladimir Putin, a former officer of the kgb, thendirector of russian intelligence, would see everybody and certainly a character like donald trump as easily manipulatable entity. And the word that we would use in the Intelligence Community, when you become a positive force once manipulated, is an asset. Ive been saying for almost 17 months now that donald trump was an unwitting asset of russian intelligence, and Vladimir Putin. But its quite possible, you could argue that he became a witting asset on the day that he asked russia to hack or release Hillary Clintons hacked emails and knew that russia was doing efforts in his favor. Its quite possible based on some of the cursory information weve seen that he also knew that his son and others were out looking for russian information. So, you know, you can use it that way. But i think clapper was trying to be coy. I dont think muellers going to be coy at all. I think hes going to come up with a case whether he was actually a puppet or a puppeteer. Well said. Thank you, carol, Great Reporting for the Washington Post, joyce vance, and malcolm nance. Up next, President Trump reportedly talked about pulling Neil Gorsuchs nomination not Supreme Court over his concerns that he wouldnt be loyal. Trumps pushing back on the news but it does fit into a pattern weve seen from this president , he wanted loyalty from everybody. Fbi director comey and his Supreme Court nominees. This is hardball, where the action is. Some Air Fresheners are so overwhelming, they can. Send you and your family running. Introducing febreze one for fabric and air. No aerosols. No dyes. No heavy perfumes. It cleans away odors for a pure light freshness. So you can spray and stay. Febreze one, breathe happy. Derailment in washington state. Three people were killed. Investigators are also waiting to interview the hospitalized engineer and crew members. The train was going 80 miles an hour in a 30mileanhour zone when it crashed on its inaugural trip from seattle to portland. At least a dozen tourists are dead and 18 injured after a tour bus flipped on a mexican highway. Americans were on board that bus, carrying Cruise Ship Passengers to the mayan ruins. Nationalities have not been disclosed yet. The tour bus was carrying 27 passengers when it crashed. Back to hardball. I have no Difficulty Ruling against or for any party. Other than based on what the law and the facts and the particular case require. And im heartened by the support i have received from people who recognize that theres no such thing as a republican judge or a democratic judge. We just have judges. In this country. Welcome back to hardball. Supreme court Justice Neil Gorsuch asserting his independence from President Trump during the confirmation hearing. His confirmation was one of the president s biggest accomplishments, almost a lone accomplishment besides the tax bill. The Washington Post reports the president worried gorsuch would not be loyal and told aides he was tempted to pull gorsuchs nomination, upset by what he viewed as gorsuchs insufficient gratitude for a Lifetime Appointment to the countrys highest court and told Republican Leaders hes probably going to end up being a liberal like the rest of them. This after senator Richard Blumenthal said gorsuch called the president s attack on federal judges disheartening and demoralizing. Today the president tweeted the story is fake news, i never wavered, i am very proud of him and the job he is doing as a justice of the Supreme Court. The unnamed sources dont exist. The Washington Post says their account is based on interviews with 11 people familiar with the episode. Im joined by one of the writers, one of the reporters for that article, ashley parker, who writes for the Washington Post. And is an msnbc political analyst. Great insight here. And i have so many questions about gorsuch. One is, well, first of all, the thing about trump having second thoughts. Was this sort of like popeye in the cartoons, always mumbling and talking out of his brain and things bugging him . Or did he really assert that he made a mistake with this guy, in a serious conversation . So thats a fair question and a good question. And the way it has told us that the nomination was never in actual jeopardy. But what we understand is that the president did what he often does, or what you say popeye does, which he sort of vents his frustrations aloud and asks questions and expresses his anger to advisers and he was basically saying he was very frustrated with gorsuch, he believed he was being disloyal, he felt there would be a lot of other judges who would want that position on the Supreme Court, hes certainly right about that, who would be perhaps more grateful and more loyal. So these were all things he was saying to aides. As with the president , often it was unclear if the nomination was ever in actual jeopardy or if this was a president angry and blowing off steam. One question, it may not be in your reporting, i got the sense when gorsuch was going before the senators, going door to door to the senators, making courtesy calls, then testifying, that he came across as a moderate, modest sort of conservative, not some further than scalia type, Antonin Scalia type. Now i think the image is just that hes a very hardright justice. Yeah, his tenure is quite young but i think thats a Fair Assessment for now. Thats sort of one of the central ironies was the president was very worried about him early on when he was going through the process. But if theres been a single knock on him, its not what the president feared that he would be a liberal like the rest of them, its that hes actually been quite conservative and maybe almost overly paying deference to the president and the republican senators who pushed him through. Also the Washington Post reports that a source familiar with the incident largely faults the white house for failing to explain Supreme Court nominees asserting their independence from the president who appointed them is a natural part of the confirmation process. This isnt the only time the president asserted a right to loyalty from an independent member of his government. Former fbi director james comey on that point. He asked specifically of loyalty in the contectixt of asg me to stay. This is a profound question. Does the president know that being the president doesnt mean the acquiring of an asset, that he doesnt own the United States government, its a republican form of government, it has branches and checks on power and depositions that are natural tensions are natural. Sometimes the nominee is different than you thought he was and thats part of the game, they dont have to stay how they looked when you picked them. Thats right and the president s frustrations seem to be rooted in a little bit of a misunderstanding of how this process works. And how the Supreme Court works. Which is the president gets to choose his nominee, he or she tries to choose someone whos in line with their judicial philosophy. Then the justices of course, an independent justice, he or she is beholden not to the president who appointed them but to the law and to the constitution. And thats how it should work. And thats exactly what gorsuch was saying when the president got so frustrated. Youre right, so much Great Reporting, arly parker on the Washington Post. People vote for trump next time, theyre voting for a very different Constitutional Order in this country, from a president who doesnt recognize the need to understand limited government and limited powers of the presidency. Up next the trump tower tax cuts a christmas president for the very wltdsy, maybe an electoral gift to democrats, perhaps, they have to have a key issue to run on, theyve got one in 2018. Can they capitalize on this very unfair tax bill . It all starts with a wish. The final days of wish list are here. Hurry in and sign and drive off in a new lincoln with zero down and a complementary first months payment. Ltry align probiotic. N your Digestive System . For a nonstop, sweet treat goodness, hold on to your tiara kind of day. Get 24 7 digestive support, with align. The 1 doctor recommended probiotic brand. Also in kids chewables. Replace the full value of your totaled new car. 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But will a win on this issue mean losses for republicans in next years midterm elections . For more im joined by the roundtable, anita kumar with me right now, White House Correspondent john fearry, gop strategist and cornell belcher, democratic strategist for msnbc. Let me go with this pollster, mr. Belcher. I have a hunch. Its not positive tial it, its im looking at things. Whos ever voted against a politician for cutting taxes, even if their tax cut is smaller than somebody elses . You have a plurality of American Voters who think theyre going to be worse off because of this tax bill. And thats the real difference. Its not like its neutral. Like in 1993, 94, when they voted against clinton. When you think youre going to be worse off. When you look at the economy, what most peoples grievances, rich arent paying their fair share, theres a lot of inequality. The polls, they think this increases the inequality, they think most of its going to the wealthy people, from nbcs polling which by the way most of the factfinders agree with. Im looking at this. If youre a rich republican, this is great. No more regulation on the environment. Just rape the land, strip mine the country, in wyoming they cant wait to get into those government lands. Lets get that land back, bears ears and all that stuff. A huge tax cut on corporate, a huge tax cut on individual, a huge advantage on exclusions for estate taxes, elimination basically of the corporate minimum tax. Its all great. Its all great, and how does the average stiff out there, doesnt get a raise . People are not getting raises in the middle income level. Whatever the unions are doing, nobodys getting a raise. The republicans and the people at the white house i talk to feel really good about it. Of course they do. They think that americans will col around. John can probably talk more about this. Next year when they start to see their paychecks being a little bit bigger, when the economy gets better, they think they have a good leg to stand on, that its going to sell well. John fearry, the defense. 80 of the American People are going to get a tax cut, 9 are going to get a tax credit. Those 9 live in New York City or san francisco. Too bad, they deserve a tax increase. Remember horse and rabbit stew . Whos getting the horse, whos getting the rabbit . The number one keystone of this whole thing is the Corporate Tax cut. And that is going to grow the economy substantially. Much more than 3 . Up to 4 the Corporate Tax rate, what are they going to do with the money . Its going to bring about 3 trillion coming in from overseas, repatriated. The rest is going to make america more competitive. I think the republicans are betting that theyre going to be able to hitch their wagon to a growing economy, 3 or 4 , wages are going to go up, and thats going to be really good. Democrats are betting this wont happen. I think the republicans are right. Well see what happens. If the money doesnt come back from overseas it will. Are you up for resetting this thing . Its going to come back. The fundamental problem is weve seen this. This is not theory. Go to kansas. We know that these things dont pay for themselves. Take billionaire miami bloomberg who said, you know what, in the end whats going to happen, these corporations, sitting on as much cash as theyve ever sat on before in history, what theyre going to do is theyre going to buy stocks and go to dividends. Look, if we want to help the middle class, lets help the middle class. Well see what happens. Weve already seen whats happened Ronald Reagan had to raise taxes because they didnt pay for themselves. A new study out by the Tax Policy Center shows people making between 50,000 and 90,000 a year will see 900 in their bank account. The middle class might not notice, in 2009 obama in his economic Stimulus Package gave married couples 800 and 12 of the voters noticed. Yoenth. I dont understand. 1,000 is shoes for every kid or a couple nights out with your wife i had not heard that statistic and that is unbelievable. By that calculation, the less than 1,000 a year that the average family gets out of this will not look significant politically. I think its going to look significant. But look, the polls show its not doing well. Obviously the republicans have some selling to do. Maybe they dont like trump. Nothing looks good to them. I think thats a big part. I think a lot of people dont like trump. I think democrats have really successfully messaged on this. But to anitas point, this is not only going to cut taxes of 900 per person in that range what the obama tax cuts didnt do is rapidly grow the economy. But the longest peacetime increase in our economic [ cross talk ] i have to tell you, i dont think its absurd. You think the democrats Message Machine is really good . They are on this one. Hah thats laughable. Okay, thank you. You know what the reality is, nobody knows whats in this bill. Both sides are being saying thins that arent true. And so no one really knows what to do with it, no one knows what to think. Thank you. The roundtable, the big thought coming up next, youre first, youre watching hardball. Right. But you want to fix it. Right. So who sent you . New guy. What new guy . Watson. My analysis of sensor and Maintenance Data indicates elevator 3 will malfunction in 2 days. There you go. You still need a pass. Job on the economy, only 30 of americans think the republicans do a better job. These are close numbers but its the first time the democrats have been on top, first time the democrats lead in this question since 2013. Until. It. Wasnt. Dont let Type 2 Diabetes get between you and your heart. Because your risk of heart attack or stroke is up to four times greater. 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