Thanks for watching, sayonara. Hardball with Chris Matthews is next. The tax man cometh. Lets play hardball. Good evening. Im Chris Matthews in washington. You know those old polaroid photographs, you would take the photo and as you shook the paper, you would see the picture slowly come into view before you. Is that what were seeing with donald trump . Day after day, the real man reveals more and more of himself. We watch him on stage or read his tweets and see what he says on fox and gradually the picture comes into focus. It hasnt happened all at at once. His people get him to use the teleprompter so he wont say what he really thinks off the cuff. He cant be stopped from relentlessly be donald trump. We have the popular image of trump, the successful real estate developer, for example, who celebrates his wealth and business acumen, the man who runs casino scasinos, hotels, e airline. But then you have the other man, thats the trump that according to the times declared a 916 million loss on his 1995 income tax returns. A Tax Deduction so substantial, it could have allowed him to paying any income taxes for up to 18 years. The trump camp has neither denied or confirmed the reporting. Surrogates like Chris Christie and rudy giuliani, in fact, spent the weekend saying the story says their candidate is actually a genius. Thats the word used, for successfully navigating and avoiding the tax code. Today on the trail, hillary
clinton took a swing at her opponent. His name is trump. Lets watch her. In the debate, he said it was smart to avoid paying taxes. Yesterday his campaign was bragging, it makes him a genius. Heres my question. What kind of genius loses 1 billion in a single year . This is trump to a t. Hes taken corporate excess and made a Business Model out of it. He abuses his power, games the system, puts his own interests ahead of the countrys. Its trump first and everyone else last. Shes rolling up the score. Trump defended his Business Success at a rally out in colorado today. Lets watch it. I understand the tax laws better than almost anyone, which is why i am one who can truly fix them. As a businessman and real estate
developer, i have legally used the tax laws to my benefit. Honestly, i have brilliantly i have brilliantly used those laws. The news media is now obsessed with an alleged tax filing from the 1990s, at the end of one of the most brutal economic downturns in our countrys history. I was able to use the tax laws of this country and my business acumen to dig out of the real estate mess. I reached within myself and delivered for my company, my business, my family, and the communities where hi propertied existed and i really delivered. Meanwhile, trump and the campaign are also continuing to come into focus this weekend, while advisers and supporters like Newt Gingrich and Marsha Blackburn have publicly pleaded with trump to stay on message, trump went spectacularly offscript on saturday night. He mocked Hillary Clinton for her illness, for her state of mind, and her marriage. Lets watch him. Shes supposed to fight all
of these different things. And she cant make it 15 feet to her car. Give me a break. Give me a break. Shes got bad temperament. She could actually be crazy. She should be in prison, let me tell you. She should be in prison. Hillary clintons only loyalty is t her financial contributors and to herself. I dont even think shes loyal to bill, you want to know the truth. And really, folks, really, why should she be, right . Why should she be . Wow. And for more on the real donald trump, im joined now by nbcs Hallie Jackson in richmond, virginia, right at the vp debate sight for tomorrow night. Susan page, and global editorial director, howard fineman. Hallie, youre on the site right now, but lets talk about donald trump, this weekend. Was there an effort to get him to talk along the lines that he could win the election . Ive been saying this myself. He had a winning message for weeks. The polling weve got tonight to show you shows that hes blown it. Hes blown away the role that he had a lead in this campaign. Hes now down behind her, about five points on average. That can be lethal in a campaign at this point, a month out from the election. Why doesnt he talk about the issues that got him to where he is, jobs, illegal immigration, stupid wars . Why is he talking about machado and talking Everything Else that will never get him a single vote. Right, and bill clinton and Hillary Clinton and all of these questions. He seems to be unable to help himself at times. When you look at what happened saturday night, and there was evidence of this today, his campaign wants him to be talking about jobs and about the economy and about National Security. I had an adviser, somebody close to the campaign say to me, today, i wish i didnt have to go out and talk about these
issues. I will, because the media is picking up on it, but i would rather be talking about, you know, National Security and some of these issues that have put trump where he is. The problem is, he cannot help going back after Hillary Clinton, when he feels attacked. That is what you saw saturday night in the sound bite that you played from his rally in p. A. Today, he tried to get back on message. And let it be noted on saturday, too, his campaign had a script that he was supposed to be delivering that night. And we saw again and again, him veer off that script, rather than looking at the prompter, he riffed. Toda hwas at that National Security forum, talking with veterans, trying to get back on message, but with trump, it rarely sticks. I was just thinking, of all the things you can use against Hillary Clinton in a debate, calling her crazy is nutty itself. Nobody thinks that Hillary Clinton is crazy. Shes one of the most sound minds around. You might not like the mind, but it is sound as hell. Anyway, lets look at those brandnew National Poll go ahead, hallie. Chris, i remember talking to you two months ago about something very similar to this. Donald trump takes the attacks against him and often times he turns those exact same attacks around on whoever is hitting him. When Hillary Clinton and her Campaign Comes out and calls him unhinged, for him, he turns around and calls her crazy. This fits the pattern that he has delivered on for the past six months. We used to use that when we were 5 years old, sos your old man. At 5 years old. Lets take a look at the brandnew National Polls that tell you hes been off message. Clinton leads trump by five points nationally. 4742. This is important. Thats five points. Last month, trump was ahead by two points in the same poll. Thats a shift of seven. In the new New York Times poll cbs poll there together, clinton leads by four points. Last month, the two were tied. So were seeing roughly a fivepoint shift. I want to go to howard fiman here. Howard, youre seeing even i remember you and i have watched this campaign. A fivepoint shift is a big deal. It is a huge deal, especially this late. And supposedly with an electorate thats mostly locked in. The last week that hes had is the worst political week i can remember any National Politician ever having. Im surprised hes even at 40 . That shows you havent packed it up and gone home. And thats because theres a strong constituency thats going to reach out to him regardless as an agent of change. And we know who those people are. However, he has not expanded a hes back to the core that he was at a while ago, when he and he blew an opportunity this last week, starting with the debate, continuing through today, to expand that base. Susan, if he wins the election, its still possible, the headlines in your paper, on the front page of usa today are not going because he won the battle of machado, its because
he was able to exploit a perfect storm of anger over illegal immigration, bad trade deals, and stupid wars. You can write the headline now if he wins, but hes not even writing the headline himself. And by the way, another point of politics, at this point in the campaign, the average person is paying attention. Six months ago when he was saying a lot of this stuff, a very small percentage were watching. He doesnt seem to know that he has the potential to go out on that debate platform or any one of these rallies and speak to a huge audience and change a lot of minds with what he said in the beginning. He doesnt seem to know that its the big circus now, not the little sideshow anymore. Because the i agree with you. It is not a year for steady as she goes. In fact, thats the problem that Hillary Clinton has. This is a year for change for fresh blood, for shaking things up, but he goes too far. Whats miss machado, alicia his bad treatment of somebody 20 years ago. I mean, it was bad. Its objectively bad. He treated a little person, a
person without any power, badly. You apologize and move on and say, that wasnt a good moment for me. I was under pressure like everybody else and this beauty contest stuff is a business like everybody else. There are ways you can answer it without prostrating yourself on the ground. And you can also say, ive changed my views on thing. People change their views on things like gay marriage, explain it and accept it. Hes unwilling to do it, chris. Hes just personally unwilling to be told. Sometimes you have to stoop to conquer. I mentioned trumps surrogates fanned out across the cup to defend the campaign for getting a tax break of almost 1 billion in 95. Their message, this is insane, trumps a genius. Lets watch. Our response is hes a genius. The reality a genius . Absolute genius. Its a perfectly legal application of the tax code. And he would have been a fool to not take advantage of it. Great men have big failures and they take those failures and turn them into great results. I would rather have a genius like donald trump running this country than someone like Hillary Clinton. Theres no one whos shown nor genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code, as he rightfully used the laws to do that. This is a guy who went lots of businesses went out of business in the early 1990s, he fought and clawed back to build another fortune, to create tens of thousands of more jobs and this is actually a very, very good story for donald trump. You know, hallie and everybody else, when you sit down and do your taxes, theyre not too collected to do yourself at some point, some people use the short form and look for deductions. They really do, the husband and wife sit there and sweat it out and try to be honest. Theyll take the breaks that are thrown at them, but they generally go, you know, lets be straight on this and well go to bed tonight feeling good about ourselves. Well do this honestly. And those people who the that go, im betting screwed, im paying a very high percentage, i
dont want make that money if you add together payroll tax and income tax and all the other taxes. They say, im being honest, at least. Im an honest guy, an honest woman. Then they see mr. Trump, mr. Wonderful, staking tax breaks fr millions of dollars. And they say, im a chump. Because the big shot with the big building andhe t beautiful wife showing off, that guy is bragging about, let me get this right again here, a genius. Thats what he says to his wife, i guess im not a genius, dear, because we didnt get any money back this year after paying our taxes. I guess i should study how to be a genius. Its insane, the politics of this. Forget morality. Why are they putting these guys out in the road to say hes a genius when hes playing defense . A couple of points, because that, i am told, is coming from donald trump himself. Im told by a source familiar with this process, with thinking process, that trump does believe that this tax issue is going to be overall net neutral for him. That it is not actually going to
hurt him with voters. Because, chris, of the flip side of what you are talking about, that it is potentially relatable that somebody would look for tax loopholes and Tax Deductions, because a lot of those folks, mom and dad at home or whatever, filling out their w2s, going to h r block, looking for deductions that would help them ultimately save money. But what youre seeing from donald trump surrogates and from donald trump himself today at his two stops in colorado is the portrayal of donald trump as the ultimate success story. Somebody who did maybe lose nearly 1 billion in a single year in the mid90s, but who went on to have, in his view, success, 10, 15, 20 years later. That is how trump is hoping to frame and spin this. There is a sense, potentially, starting to bubble up close to the campaign is what if there are more tax numbers that come out, tax releases that come out. How does donald trump handle that narrative. But at the moment, trump doesnt see this as harmful to his campaign. I just did the math. Most people would have to work
2,000 years to make this kind of money. 2,000 years to even get near his tax break. Former senator bill bradley of new jersey, who worked with trump on some of this stuff is, the story of donald trump is he became addicted to tax losses. He became addicted, that his business became the manipulation of the tax code are depreciation. Not the actual construction of buildings. And what trump did was continue to use the tax breaks to then turn the business into one of branding and fame and not construction of buildings. Its in the paper today. And one thing that its done is reinforce the question about why doesnt he release his tax returns . Eight out of ten americans think he ought to, it would be the right thing to do. So its underscored the fact that he hasnt done that. It raises questions about how well he ran that business and the general unfairness about not paying guess who gets to defend all this stuff tomorrow night . Mike pence. All this stuff he doesnt know
anything about. The real import to me is when donald trump gets backed into a corner, he reacts with 3 00 a. M. Tweet. The role story is if in the debate next week that hes in, the town hall on sunday, if hes backed into a corner, who knows what he says in front of those people in his town hall. Town hall is sex life. Well see if he listens. Town halls are essentially antisqueamish. They dont like conversations about infidelity and things like that. No matter what they think when theyre in the back room, they dont like it out in public. Its the ultimate test of whether he can discipline himself. Weve had a few of those tests already. Hes failed them already. And hes still a billionaire. Hes going to end up rich. Thank you, Hallie Jackson, thank you, susan page. Good assignment, hallie. And thank you, howard fineman. Coming up, donald trump continues to struggle with women voters, whether hes interrupting his opponent or
criticizing the weight of a former Miss Universe, trumps got a serious gender gap. And a new report from the Washington Post says its not going to help him with women. Reaction from kellyanne conway. And more bad news for trump, the new York Attorney general has served a cease and desist order against Trump Foundation, meaning the foundation can no longer solicit money in the state of new york. The power of parody on saturday night live continues. Lets watch a bit. My microphone is broken. She broke it with obama. She and obama stole my microphone. They took my microphone to kenya and they broke it and now its broken. [ sniffing ] do you hear that . Its picking up somebody sniffing here. I think its her sniffs. Shes been sniffing all night. Testing. Testing. Alec baldwin and kate mckinnon. What a duo. Remember tina Feys Sarah Palin . What will alec baldwin do to donald trump . Finally, my election diary for tonight, october 3rd, on the eve of the Vice President ial debate. This is hardball, the place for politics. Across new york state, from long island to buffalo, from rochester to the hudson valley, from albany to utica, Creative Business incentives, infrastructure investment, university partnerships, and the lowest taxes in decades are creating a stronger economy and the right environment in new york state for business to thrive. Let us help grow your companys tomorrow today at business. Ny. Gov
well, you saw the National Polls a moment ago. Weve got also a big round of battleground state polling, taken since last mondays debate. For that we check the hardball scoreboard. According to new polling from quinnipiac, Hillary Clinton now has a fivepoint lead over donald trump in florida. Thats a big development. Its clinton 46, trump, 41. Next in north carolina, where the poll now has clinton up by three. Its clinton, 46, trump, 43, and johnson at 7. Thats roughly where the race was in the previous poll. In pennsylvania, clinton leads by four, 4541, again, not much change since the last quinnipiac. Next to ohio, is trump still
holding his fivepoint lead. He was up four points in the previous poll. Now to virginia, where a new poll from Christopher Newport university has clinton up by seven points. Its clinton, 45, trump, 41, with johnson getting up to 12. Clintons 7point lead is in line with real clear politics average of all the polls and one point higher than last weeks poll. He needs pennsylvania and hes not getting it. One more poll to tell you about, colorado, where a new monmouth poll has clinton up by 11, clinton at 49, trump at 38. Recent polling in colorado has been meck aneck and neck. An earlier poll from july had clinton up by 14. Its a back and forth out there. Well be right back. T the specialists at ford like to show off their strengths 13 name brands. All backed by our low price tire guarantee. Yeah, were strong when it comes to tires. Right now during the big tire event, get a 140 rebate by mail on four select tires. She cant make it 15 feet to her car. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break
shes home resting right now. Shes getting ready for her next speech, which is going to be about 15 minutes and its going to be in two or three days. Donald trump continued his attacks on his opponents stamina monday night, delivering a mocking appearance of Hillary Clinton, who had trouble getting to her car during her bout with pneumonia. Throughout this campaign, weve seen trump has responded publicly with crude or personal attacks. First, it was his comments about megyn kelly, then his remarks about Carly Fiorinas face, now its his recent criticism of Hillary Clintons stamina and even her look. Lets watch. Youve even said she doesnt look president ial. I really do believe that. What do you mean by that . Well, i just dont think she has a president ial look. And, you need a president ial look. Now an Associated Press report says there are claims that trump behaved similarly towards women offcamera on the set of the apprentice, for instance, trump called for female contestants to wear shorter dresses that also showed
more cleavage. Others said they only had professional experiences with trump. So theres people on both sides of the argument, largely against, of course, thats why they wrote the piece. The Trump Campaign denied the allegations in the statement. These outlandish, unsubstantiated and totally false claim, fabricated by publicity hungry, opportunistic, disgruntled former employees have no merit whatsoever. And the New York Times reported that she acted passiveaggressively in order to discredit her husbands accusers. Im joined right now is Trump Campaign manager, kellyanne conway. Put it all together, kellyanne. I loved the New York Times arguel article, i thought it was terrific. Because basically it said that Hillary Clinton went to blame and shame the women who had
consensual sex with her husband over a number of years. If you dont remember, you can google her on 60 minutes, sitting by her husband, plaintively nodding her head in silence while he lied to the country about not having an affair with jennifer flowers, only to discover the next day there were tapes confirming that affair, audio tapes. And what was Hillary Clintons first instinct . It was to blame the woman and dig up dirt on her. And i commend this New York Times story for everybody, because it shows how Hillary Clinton reacts when someone has done something to wrong her. She goes right after the innocent people. And i think its very important, because even Gloria Allred is reported in this article who was a convention delegate, she says, listen, its terrible that you would try to dig up a womans sexual past and hire a private investigator and then she goes on to say, i dont think hillary should have done that, but, hey, i like her position on abortion. This is how she treated those women. She said she likes her generally. Let me ask you about the Associated Press story that ran today attacking with all kinds of comments, not all on one site, some defending donald trump about his behavior as head of apprentice, and his backstage behavior matching some of his rough behavior lately. What do you make of that set of charges. You think it was all a putup job by the other side or what do you think . Thapprentice was one of the most successful shows in its d day. And it generated many opportunities, including, if not especially, for women who participated. Some omarosa is one of our best surrogates, most ardent supporters of druonald trumrum. She was there the first or second season. Theres publicity to again, scores to settle. But i was especially excited to see the number of people that came forward and said, this was a wonderful experience for them, when they were on the apprentice. And look, i can take you
upstairs here in trump tower chris any day of the week and introduce you to women who have worked for donald trump for years, if not decades, who have nothing but great things to say about him as a boss. Lets talk about what we see. Why was he making fun of Hillary Clinton physically this weekend . Have you heard what she says about him any given day . Did you watch the debate . Why does the he calls her crazy, criminal, lock her up is the big slogan out there. Why does he make fun of her physically . Everybody knows she had pneumonia and she basically collapsed. Why do you make somebody who collapsed because of a sickness. Why is that funny . First of all, when she collapsed on 9 11 and her campaign lied about it for a number of hours, including to and that justifies no, he said nothing. He said nothing that whole day. He was completely quiet. And since then, shes done nothing but attack him. That aspirational, uplifting campaign her campaign promised, thats gone, and all they do is attack donald trump. Her entire campaign is donald
trump. He talks about issues, they talk about him. If he wants to go out there and talk about her fitness for office, whether its her record as secretary of state, her unremarkable record as senator, or her stamina, then shes welcome to do that. Why is he supposed to be the victim who just rolls over every time she and her surrogates attack him. Lets talk about this story with the taxes. The New York Times reports that they have somebody who walked in there, apparently with the address of trump tower, i have no idea who the source was, this tipster, put it in the mailbox, this reporter of the times, she put it in the paper, that basically trump got a 900 million tax loss in 1995, which can be spread over a number of years to his advantage. Taking a tax loss like this, what does it do to his image of a guy watching out for the regular person out there . Hows it match up with that image . Donald trump is the art of the comeback. Most people couldnt absorb a loss like that and reinvest it
over the years, take those losses and carry it forward, like the tax code allows you to do. No one in the New York Times denies that its all legal. Donald trump has spent hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes over the years if federal payroll taxes, state, city, and local taxes, excise, property, real estate. And so, hes lets not forget hes paid hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. I verified that number with his accountants and his lawyers, chris. On this one, very few people were betting on new york a lot, and he did. He bet on new york. The job creation, the community revitalization. And this is the american entrepreneurial story, the tax code allows you to Carry Forward these losses. The New York Times in no way says that he did not pay taxes for 18 years. It says that this loss could have allowed him not to pay taxes, he may not have for any youre not talking about politics here. Youre talking a defense of let me ask you this. He has made statements attacking americans who dont pay taxes, some people who are poor or dont make enough income to pay taxes, others who are making money, hedge fund operators,
theyre not paying taxes. He has said that its wrong. Why isnt he wrong . Hes paid hundreds no, that year, do you think he paid in 95 . Do you think he paid any taxes with a 1 billion tax loss . I think thats why you have a couple of pieces of paper from one year ago, 25 years ago. Because there were years, im sure, where he was very profitable. Well, we could have more, kellyanne. We could have more paper ifs hed release them. And paid an awful lot in taxes. The only reason that little bit of paper you just minimized is somebody basically outed him at least on one return. The question you have to ask yourself is, if a little bit of information is bad for the guy, maybe a lot of information is better, but public isnt going to think that, unless you show the paper. Theyre going to think its worse. Sure, but chris as you said in your earlier segment, not everyones going to think thats bad. A lot of people will think, this is what entrepreneurs do. They Carry Forward these losses,
over time, and thats what the tax code allows you to do. I also want to say, this guy has built things his whole life. Buildings, projects, public works, projects, careers, opportunities. Hillary clinton has destroyed what job has she ever created. What does she know about job creation . Its remarkable. Lets give the guy his due as a successful businessman whos hired th ed thousands of people the years. Hes evaluated some of them to the highest position. Kellyanne, thank you. Thank you, chris. I think he should refocus ton things that got him this far. Dance with the one that brick you. Job patriotism. And stupid wars talk, its a perfect storm. Get back to that. Forget machado. Thats a loss. Move on. Theres a tax loss. Move on great advice. Thanks so much. Thanks so much, kellyanne. Right now weve got michelle r berna bernard, columnist for u. S. News world report. Thank you, michelle. Kelly knows what shes up against here. The behavior towards women twashds hillary as the first woman candidate, i think, is very much deleterious to get women in the burbs. To get women anywhere. Women will look at all of the statements that donald trump has made, not just about Hillary Clinton, but about women over his lifetime and its troubling. People will ask, whos the best candidate for women and what do women want . Women do not want to elect a child in chief. Do you think thats the image he has . That absolutely is the image he has. I can see his chief of staff if he were to be elected is walking in and saying, mr. Trump, is your train running too high or too low . We can havent a president that cant regulate his temper. And in terms of what kelly anne was saying about mrs. Clinton and her husbands affairs in the house, i think it shows her
humanity. She was not in a position of o power over these women that donald trump has been year after year. You wouldnt justify in her trying to silence these women . No, but for any woman who has dealt with a husband and indiscretions in the past, that feel that donald trump is putting her on trial for staying in her marriage and trying to find a way to discredit women or figure out things about the women she says shes not loyal to bill clinton. I dont know what that means, unless hes talking about nafta. I dont think hes talking about nafta. I dont know what he means, but i think he should tread carefully. Hes been married three times. Women are very interested in the issues. Youre talking about trump, has been married three times. Trump has been married three times and two of his wives appear to be much, much younger than him. There are stories of him going out with his first wife and having dinner his father this is a troubling area. If you want to get into a womans head and thinkbout what were thinking, what were going to the ballot box, its not just fiscal discipline and
child care and all of the issues that men care about, women want to know that there is a person in the white house that sees the humanity in both men and women. And you have to seriously ask yourself, if a candidate looks at a woman and says, it would be a pretty picture to see you on your knees, is that somebody who cares about the humanity of women . I dont think so. You made it clear. I think the good guys would also agree with you. Michelle bernard, thank you. Up next, trumps rough patch continues as the state of new york clamps down on the Trump Foundation. Theyre going after that. This is hardball, the place for politics. announcer vo when you have type 2 diabetes
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Trump Campaign press secretary hope hicks issued the following statement. While we remain very concerned about the political motives behind ag schneidermans investigation, the Trump Foundation plans to cooperate fully with the investigation because this is an ongoing legal matter. The Trump Foundation will not comment further at this time. For more on this story, im joined by the guy who wrote the piece, davidfahrenthold. You came up with the investigation. You know what bugs me, these guys break the rules, pay the fine, and move on. Now theyll have to pay a fine, apparently, right . Is that what theyll face . The trump people for not registering . The most painful part of it for them is that theyll have to submit to financial audits of the Trump Foundation going back years. All the years they were supposed to be licensed to raise money and they were not, theyll have to bring in auditors to really look in the trump foupndations books. Why does the Washington Post have to tell new york how
to operate it . They were investigating him. I dont know they hadnt come across this part of it yet. I was talking to a law professor for another story and she said, look, look at this these four letters on the Trump Foundations website, the new york charity heres the dirt i see. Why is the foundation making payments to pam bondi, the attorney general in florida, when she decides not to investigate trump u. A little smelly . Certainly, thats one of the things theyre looking into. The trump people say its all just an oversight. But the Trump Foundation made an illegal gift to pam bondi in 2013, just at the time her office was considering to launching an investigation into trump university. That was an accident . They say it was an accident. Someone had to tell them, right . Yeah, me. Its called rolling disclosure. Thank you, david fahrenthold. Working on that pulitzer. Well, already have one. Up next, the power of snl. How can alec baldwins impersonation of donald trump affect this race . Youre watching hardball. There he is, look at that. I thought i married an italian. My lineage was the vecchios and zuccolis. Through ancestry,
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businessman as he says he is. He lost almost 1 billion in a year but he got it back. Hes got a lot i do not understand why people of regular income argue about a guy whos got, in the billions, in the billions but its a lot of money its a lot of money. Hes rich you know, in my opinion, i actually think beyond belief rich. From this awful, you know, week as horrible as it is, right . That are really bad for him are, number one, the idea that he doesnt pay federal taxes. That i think that resonates the people. They were talking about it in my barbershop today. And when they talk about it in the barbershop, i think it resonates with people. People that do pay taxes. And as laura said, the way he treats women, i think that, you know, time after time, example after example, i think it sort of seeps in. And i think it keeps those suburban women that he needs, isnt the suburbs of philadelphia and washington, d. C. And cleveland and all and these places, from giving trump a chance. Laura, youre the one woman here, ive got to get the answer from you. Theres new women and old school women. My mom was pretty old school, dad was the boss she made all the decisions, but he thought he was the boss. They put up a lot of cra p, the had to stay at home, raise the kids, keep the checkbook, do everything, yet they get pushed around a bit. Thats the older woman, 60, 70 years old. How are they going to react . The younger woman is more professionally inclined, sees more opportunities than her parents did. Give me a look at both of them. No matter what age the woman you are, whether youre a professional or stayathome mom, donald trump has said something to insult. When he was married to ivana back in the 90s, he shamed her personal appearance after she gave birth, said he wasnt attracted to her anymore. He takes Miss Universe and says shes gained too much weight. Why is he free from this standard . Why is he oh, exactly. All i see is this gigantic tie. Keep in mind, by the way, that women in their 60s now are boomers. Theyre baby boomers. Theyre not women who would be in their 90s or whatever youre updating me rather than youre crueling updating me here, gene. Youre so right. Women in their 70s and 80s would be old school. I met a woman in a doctors office, 97 the other day. Theres a lot of women nah yeah. And if women are fed up with the political system and want to change, theyre going to vote for trump or somebody else. If they want the status quo, like the fact that hillary is the irs if female president suppose they dont like the status quo, but dont like trumps behavior . I think thats the big quandary theyre in and trying to go both ways. And trump has to figure this out. If he doesnt, hes going to lose his election. Lets talk about the veterans thing. Explain it. He said, basically, that some people get ptsd and some dont, same denies as a battlefield. He was talking about veterans suicide and saying theyve seen
some really terrible things and some veterans cant handle it. I think a lot of people interpreted that as a really mean comment, as him saying that joe biden did. Right. As him saying theyre week, for was that the right thing for a guy running for commander in chief to say, that some guys cant hack john . I think hell still have the veterans vote. The guy he talks to. I think hes gene, last word. Is this going to hurt him . Because he made that shot about john mccain not being a hero. Its not going to help him. Hes not a warrior. He wasnt there. The roundtable is sticking with us. Up next, these three will tell me something i dont know. Well be right back. This is the place for politics. Heavily into basketball. Wait. Data just changed. Now shes into disc sports. Ah, no shes not. Since when . Since now. Shes into tai chi. She found disc sports too stressful. Hold on. Let me ask you this. Whats she gonna like six months from now . Who do we have on aerial karate . Steve. Steve. Steve. And alexis. Uh, no. Just steve. Just steve. Just steve. Live business, powered by sap. When you run live, you run simple. This clean was like pow. Ything well . It felt like i had just gone to the dentist. It just kind of like, wiped everything clean. My teeth are glowing. They look great. They are so white. Crest hd 6x cleaning. 6x whitening. And at two weeks, superior sensitivity relief to the leading sensitivity toothpaste. I actually really like the two steps crest hd step 1 cleans, step 2 whitens. Its the whole package. No ones done this. Crest healthy, beautiful smiles for life. With msnbc for complete coverage of the Vice President ial debate tomorrow night at 7 00 p. M. Eastern. Join me for a special edition of hardball in virginia. At 8 00 eastern, ill join Rachel Maddow for team coverage. Well have full post debate coverage and analysis throughout the night here on msnbc. Well be right back. Just by looking in my eyes. But what they didnt know was that i had dry, itchy eyes. I used artificial tears from the moment i woke up. To the moment i went to bed. So i finally decided to show my eyes some love,. Some eyelove. Eyelove means having a chat with your eye doctor about your dry eyes because if youre using artificial tears often
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go through it. Nobody goes through the snail mail anymore. Unfortunately, nothing was found that i know of. This is bilateral. Huff post has a new tool, an election forecast machine that eats all of the national and local polls and predicted today that as of now trump has a 16 chance of winning. Whats hillarys . 84 . Yeah, 84. Good math. My upset special. Effectively portrayed as a washington lobbyist by the Young Campaign and all the outside money. Even money . Even money. Id give an edge. I love that guys name. Todd young. What a great name for a new comer. Thank you Eugene Robinson and laura bassett. When we return, my election diary for tonight. On the eve of the Vice President ial debate. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. Cure cancer million . Far off. Liver disease treatment. That by voting yes on prop 61 costs. Dollars pass. Dont let that happen. It because one day it might. Election diary monday, october 3rd, 2016, the Campaign Continues on agenda set by Hillary Clinton and followed by donald trump. That course is directed toward winning women, especially those more conservative women living in the suburbs. If they go for trump, the state of pennsylvania is within reach. If not, his goose is cooked. Its remarkable to see how effective Hillary Clinton has been the past week in undermining trump with his powerful swing electorate. Shes singly responsible for bringing forward Alicia Machado to the president ial conversation. Because shes done it, trump has been pulled off his position. He shou hes been trying to defend himself given by the accounts given by ms. Machado. Trump is defending himself of being a beneficiary of a near billion dollar tax loss. So much effort getting out of taxes and why that makes him, to use his word, smart. To win, a candidate needs to focus on his or her issues. Trump has a little more than a month now to get that done. Thanks for watching hardball. All in with chris hayes is next. Tonight on all in
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