She should really be apologizing to me if you want to know the truth. Susan, i thought just as a guy watching this thing that megyn kelly nobody is not a competitor in this business. Everybody is doing their job trying to get ahead. That she won that exchange, that she made him look out of control, his temperament was totally out of whack and she seemed calm and tough doing her job. I completely agree. She acted like a Profession Noll asking an appropriate question but not enough to cost him the presidency along with a series of interactions. He lost women but he won white women by 10 Percentage Points and that was a surprise. What did you make of that . The blood thing, i didnt get it the fist time. Oh my god, this guy is gross. Yet it didnt seem to stop him. It created the outcome because it with us a good
conspiracy against republicans running for office. In other words, you found Republicans Chiding Fox and megyn for the way they engaged with donald trump. Lets take a look at this first debate. Hillary clinton knows how to fight too. She seemed to bait trump by bringing up a former miss universe. Trump blew the story into a much bigger deal by spending the next few days attacking the beauty queen. She was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight. It was a real problem. We had a real problem. Not only that, her attitude. I saved her job because they wanted to fire her for putting on so much weight. It is a beauty contest. They know what theyre getting into. Its a beauty contest. And i said, dont do that. Let her try and lose the weight. I end up in a position like this. Trump even urged people to
hunt don a supposed sex tape that turned out to be nonkp nonexiste nonexistent. He goes in and fights in a fox hole. He wants to fight on this line and against women. Let me suggest two themes here that were going to be discussing for this entire hour. The one is that the media failed to analyze thhow trump used the media. Lets talk about that for a second. He loves the controversy. He courts the controversy. He uses the controversy. He sucked the energy and wind and attention out of every other candidate in the race. Donald trumps motto was and is, if the attention is on me, no mat whaer the cause, its a good thing. Number one. The second sub part of that is attack, attack, attack, always attack your accuser. Thats one thing. We noo the media missed the way he used us the entire year. And the second big point is people want change and wanted
change and they will pick up whatever they need to pick up no matter what you say about that instrument. Thats what happened this whole year. And the irony is, to make your point, the guy who got hurt in the next episode with the guy from the media. The biggest bombshell was in october when audio surfaced from an interview with donald trump and former Access Hollywood host billy bush. Listen to what donald trump says he can get away with because hes a celebrity. I got to use some tick tacks just in chase i start kissing her. Im automatically attracted to beautiful i start kissing them. Its like a magnet. And when youre a star they let you do it. You can do anything. Whatever you want. Grab them by the [ bleep ]. So hes president of the United States elect and billdy bush is out of a job. Th i guess thats what happens to the media. That was mortal. But it was tliek 56 mortal wound. Remember when he said john mccain was wasnt a hero and we thought that was a mortal wound . I actually think with all of these candidates their strength and multiplied for donald trump, your strength is your weakness. Thats his streng because people want change, they want things shaken up. In a funny way it helped make his brand. To make howards point, every fight he had was with the establishment. Whatever it was, no matter what you thought of what he said, it said also, sub stex, im not one of them. Therefore im a change agent. Hieidi the issue here with te tape, i think a lot of women
the women vote wasnt that bad for him, less than the majority for the republican, it seemed like he benefitted and women werent as outraged. We all went back to our partisan corners. Hes point out there was a significant gender gap here and for the first time in a long time the democrats took married women. I dont think we can dismiss this saying that women decided at the end of the day this was all okay. I think this would have been a mortal wound and it definitely was going into the final debate in las vegas. It was very grim. I saw no surrogates flying on my plane out there other than jeff sessions. This may have really be a mortal wound. But i think its a little depressing for some women who did kind of put things their reputations on the line in coming out in terms of what the lesson is because of the blowback they personally he hasnt settled that stuff
yet. Can i say its depressing for everybody. Not just women. Its depressing for everybody that he was able to use these to show in an odd upside down way his insolent bravery. The gender gap this year, 11 points. Thats not a record. Only matches the record from 1996, bob dole and bill clinton. Can you imagine that donald trump did as well as bob dole did among women. People in the media and the Political Class continue to look at the selection through conventional lens. Excuse me for living. I know. But you know, here it is with the egg on your face after this guy has weathered all of these storms. It really goes to what you were saying that at the end of the day people were kind of looking at this and were kind of maybe put off but also attracted at the same time. I think were taking with the
exclamation point when Something Like that hams. Oh my god he did that, we read the headlines in the news, oh my god, and the people out there are like, theyre making a big deal about this. Let me think about it myself. Always come back to the fact that half of the registered voting electorate chose not to vote. Theres been some compelling journalism out of these milwaukee districts, for example, Philly Direcstricts Wh voted in 2012 but were so disheartened by what has or hasnt happened and didnt think this would make a big difference in their lives. I have an obvious point to make, which is first woman nominee for president and it didnt work in her favor in terms of consolidating the votes of women. Donald trump may have in an odd way made politics so
distasteful, dragged it down so far it depressed the vote of anybody other than his firm eest allies. Donald trumps angry rhetoric on race. Me painted ethnic groups with a broad brush calling mexicans rapists. And that kind of talk would have destroyed any other politician but not in this case, trump. This is hardball, the place for politics. To folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain. Extraordinarily painful, i hear you. Make sure your doctor hears you too i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. If you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, dont suffer in silence step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. Tell em cedric sent you. Generosity is its oyou can handle being a mom for half an hour. Im in all the way. Is that understood . I dont know what shes up to, but its not good. Cant the world be my noodles and butter . Get your mind out of the gutter. Mornings are for coffee and contemplation. That was a really profound observation. You got a mean case of the detox blues. Dont start a war you know youre going to lose. Finally you can now find all of netflix in the same place as all your other entertainment. On xfinity x1. Welcome back to hardball. Well, recognizing an opportunity, every savvy businessman burst on to the political scene by warmly embracing the birther movement, calling Into Question president Barack Obamas nationality. Why doesnt he show his Birth Certificate . You know what, i wish he would . Because i think its a terrible pale thats hanging over him. Nobody ever comes forward or knows who he is until later in his life. Its very strange. He may have one, but theres something on that Birth Certificate, maybe religion, maybe it says hes a muslim, i dont know. I have people that actually have been studying it and they cannot believe what theyre finding. You have people now down there searching i mean, in hawaii . Absolutely. And they cannot believe what theyre finding. I still would like to see his college records. A couple of things. Trump comes along and said Birth Certificate. He gave a Birth Certificate. Whether or not that was a real certificate, because a lot of people question it, i certainly question it. Outrageous. Anyway, questioning president obamas Birth Certificate provided trump with the
foundation upon which he built his 2016 campaign. So its not entirely surprising that he declared his candidacy by attacking an entire nationality. Here he goes. When mexico sends its people, theyre not sending their best. Theyre not sending you. Theyre not sending you. Theyre sending people that have lots of problems. And theyre bringing those problems with us. Theyre bringing drugs, theyre bringing crime, theyre rapists, and some, i assume, are good people. Well, accusations plagued his campaign to the bitter end, of course. And for more on how trump demolished political norms when discussing race in america, im back with our panel. Michael steele, msnbc political analyst, susan page with usa today, Heidi Przybyla also with usa today, and Howard Fineman with the huffington post. The racist thing jumped out at me. What is that based on . Is it based on data . How many rapists are there . Its based on crimes that had been committed by illegals here in the United States, over a period of time. So you take one or two instances and kind of glom them together and it becomes a Pejorative Representation of everybody. Yeah. So trump has this unique way of taking language and sort of exploding it up. So, you know, you can do one thing, but then all women, all right, you can say one thing, and its like, well, ive been hearing from a lot of people. So that kind of political rhetoric worked very effectively for him. And he was able to because he could always, as you saw in the clips, deflect. He said, im not saying, someone else said it. It may have been one guy standing in a Corner Whispering to himself. Lets get back to journalism for a second on one point. He said, lets just fact check this. Ive got people out in hawaii, and you wont believe what theyre coming up with. Then he goes to this manchurian candidate theory, that not only guy snuck in the country, but he assumed a false identity. That He Wasnt The Guy going through harvard law, He Wasnt The Guy at columbia, nobody knew him. What was that about . That he was some mysterious pretender. Well, it was about raising a cloud of dust about barack obama. And not based in fact. And in fact, saying things that were shown to be disproven. Things that you could prove were not true. And these suggestions, maybe his Birth Certificate said he was a muslim, that wasnt true. Nobody knew who he was until he got into high school or college, thats also not true. Its a rhetorical technique that is dangerous and that journalists have an obligation to call out. You know when you go to a criminal trial or watch them. Someone once stole my card and i learned how it was done, you make up completely different stories, that have nothing to do with reality, so the jury thinks theres plausible deniability,
whats it called, shadow of a doubt. Just make up a story, because that might be true, too. It might be true that he doesnt even exist as barack obama. It works for some people. This is bringing back flashbacks to the campaign trail, actually, right after the primaries in New Hampshire and bill clinton was telling voters to be careful, because a lot of this is going to happen during this campaign. And its not about facts anymore, its simply about raising the suggestion, putting the suggestion out there and letting it multiply. And were seeing that not only by trump, but by some of the people who are some of the leading conspiracy theorists, quite frankly, who have now been brought on, like michael flynn. If you look at some of the things he was tweeting just days before the election about Hillary Clinton and Child Pornography and money laundering. Its really crazy stuff. Can i say, were beating around the bush here a little bit . Donald trump goes for the perceived weaknesses of any public figure or anybody that stands in his way. With his voters and with a lot of other people, we need to talk about race, we need to talk about religion, and we need to talk about ethnicity. He was going after the first black president , the first africanamerican president. He was going after the notion that he was a muslim, which was somehow supposed to be a mark against him, in this society. And he was going against latinos and mexicans in particular. And in this rough marketplace of politics, he was willing to go, he was willing to touch buttons that other people have not been willing to do. As a matter of fact, not only gingerly do it, but to do it aggressively. Anything that smacked of criticism of him, he brushed off as political correctness. He was attacking the entire culture of the last 20 or 30 years of the supposed consensus that we had that you dont speak that way about other people. This is hardball, the place for politics. The cadillac xt5. What should we do . Tailored to you. Wait it out. Equipped with apple carplay compatibility. Now during seasons best, get this low mileage lease on this cadillac xt5 from around 429 per month, or purchase with 0 apr financing. Ltry align probiotic. N your Digestive System . For a nonstop, sweet treat goodness, hold on to your tiara kind of day. Get 24 7 digestive support, with align. The 1 doctor recommended probiotic brand. Now in kids chewables. Im not a customer, but im calling about that credit scorecard. Give it. Sure its free for everyone. Oh well thats nice and checking your score wont hurt your credit. Oh im so proud of you. Well thank you. Free at at discover. Com creditscorecard, even if youre not a customer. Scalpel. I have no idea what im doing. Im just a tv doctor. I never went to college. scream i dont do blood. But now, thanks to cigna, i can do more than just look the part. Is that a foot . We are the tv doctors of america. And were partnering with cigna to help save lives. By getting you to a real doctor for an annual checkup. So go, know, and take control of your health. Doctor poses. Cigntogether, all the way. Well this has been weirdly sup s upsetting. Right around the room here, how did it happen . Everything that was considered off base, out of line, wrong and he got past it and exploited it. I think for the first time in the longest time that i can remember, the American People said we got this. Well decide this election, not you. And they wanted a Nuclear Option in this campaign and they got it in donald trump. And half of the people disagree. I dont think this is what elected him. I think it failed to make it impossible for him to get elected. He got elected because the number one reason, the ability to bring about change and the voters who said i want change broke for him by 6 to 1. You dont think this is the way he said change . It might have worked with some voters but when we talk about the voters that we didnt think he was going to get, it
was the change. Call it the hail mary and change. The democrats failed to hold on to the educated white workers. I talked to people who voted for bill clinton, a guy in cole country who used to have a job, now on the back porch cleaning houses, its because of people like him that felt he had been abandoned by the democrats. Having begunny career in kentucky and spent five years there, i wasnt surprised that donald trump won. But what ill say, the argument is that the country, that is the country goes on and it will continue. And as barack obama said, hey, this is an ongoing conversation here. Progress is made in zigzag, not in a straight line. There may be some strong issues that donald trump puts on the table that do need to be
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