Generals role in the felony convictions of Donald Trumps friends and former advisors. First the bombshell news that william barr, whos already under fire in the sentencing of trump advisor, roger stone, is taking the rather extraordinary step of investigating the investigation into trumps former National Security advisor, mike flynn. Flynn admitted to lying to the fbi and should be sentenced soon. The new york times, quote attorney general william barr has assigned an outside prosecutor to scrutinize the case against President Trumps former National Security advisor mike flynn. This is highly unusual and could trigger more accusations of political interference into the work of career prosecutors. Nbcs own carol lee adds details. Quote, the Justice Department recently opened an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the fbis interview of Michael Flynn while he was serving as president Donald TrumpsNational Security advisor. Barr asked the u. S. Attorney for the Eastern District of missouri to look into the interview reports. Also in breaking doj news, the Justice Department will not pursue criminal charges of andrew mccabe. Mccabe, of course authorized and their constant targets are smears from the president. Quote, the move was toads in said to infuriate trump. Mccabe and others he considers political enemies, should be charged with crimes. Notably, he was Deputy Director of the fbi who he lied to the fbi agents. And others trump considers enemies. Adding to the tension of the barr director probe and the flynn interview and career officials at doj is todays assertion from donald trump that he has a legal right to get involved in criminal cases. That followed yesterdays televised plea from barr asking him to refrain from doing so. Thats where we start with some ofory favorite reporters and friends. National security reporter covering the Justice Department. Carol lee, former u. S. Attorney joyce vance and matt miller a former chief spokesman at the department of justice is here. Take me through whats being reporter about what looks like another special counsellike examination into the investigators who investigated a trump ally. What theyve told us is that barr asked the u. S. Attorney in st. Lieues to look into an inquiry in the flynn case, specifically his fbi interview, which is at the center of everything having to do with flynn. Our understanding is it happened recently. It was very sensitive. So, it was not necessarily something he wanted out in the open. Like weve seen with these other sorts of inquiries that barr has ordered up. The concern that people i talk to had is that it could be one of two things. One is if you look at who was involved in the fbi flynns fbi interview t was january 24th, 2017, andrew mccabe, peter struck and those are all the greatest hits that the president likes to harp on and has criticized and have said should face some sort of criminal penalties. And they havent yet. This could be a sort of way to dig at them some more. And the other is that if they can stir the pot and muddy the waters and make it look like maybe something wasnt quite right, some i wasnt dotted or a t crossed there, makes him more defensible at a time when barrs under more pressure. Only the Trump White House and could make a flynn pardon look like the lesser of two evils. Any announcement of the special investigator to reinvestigate convicted liar mike flynn. Is that how you see it . Creating a case to rationalize and sell that a pardon of flynn is the best scenario . It may just be to go about and systematically undermine every conclusion from the Mueller Report remember, theyre looking at the original conclusions the Intelligence Community came to about russian interference. This is not how the Justice Department is supposed to work. They dont come in and pick prosecutors from random digsricates to go back and examine cases where theyve pled guilty. Remember, mike flynn pled guilty and after make what was a pretty good agreement. Bob mueller and his team could have charged with other crimes but decided not to because he plead guilty. Its hard to come up with a reason for the new investigation on its own. Its hard when you look at it in the context of Everything Else the barr Justice Department is doing. Theyre going through every piece of the Mueller Investigation they can and trying to find ways to undermine it, trying to find ways to give the president a narrative going into his reelection campaign. You know this russia hoax . It was a hoax. And now the Justice Department is saying its a hoax. Its not just me, its bill barr. This is not how the Justice Department has ever operated before. Along with Everything Else from bill barr, it says something about how far the department has fallen. Joyce vance, from being deep inside the executive branch of the government, im usually highly skeptical of any strategry. That was coined in the ministration i served. I wondered, when i saw both these stories break within minutes of another, and on the heels of matt and his colleague, unbelievable body of reporting about trumps rage from back in august about charges not being brought against comey and mccabe and others. These stories broke since then. But i wondered if it was if one was done to mullify the other. Mccabe news broke he would not be charged with a crime. And barr was already cooking up another investigation into the investigators. So, that news came out and carol lees been reporting. I wonder if it is, to you, some symptom of a really fragile and precarious moment for the Justice Department right now. Thats such a horrible thing to speculates about they would pasify an angry president. That i think youre right, thats one of the many speculations weve had on whats going on in doj right now. And that undermines the important principal the doj operated on. We were obligated not only to do the right thing but to never permit an appearance of impropriety exists to our conduct. We did that because it was so critical the public be able to have faith in the work the department did and to take comfort in the integrity of the system as imperfect as it can sometimes be. What year seeing now is what happens when the attorney general, the guy that runs the department is not concerned about that appearance piece, let alone the actual importance of always acting with integrity and doing the right thing. The president has way too much influence over how this Justice Department is operating. Were watching this spiral without knowing just how far it will go. But one thing thats clear is theres a need for House Oversight hearings to get to the bottom of this and to try to get the Justice Department back on a basically good footing before its too late. Why arent there subpoenas flying up to the Justice Department, or at least for the four prosecutors that quit the case . Isnt there an oversight role to understand why they quit the stone case . If you look at the ukraine investigation, adam schiff gave the other committees in the house on how to investigate. And thats not just those who defy subpoenas. Go to the career official whose, both respect lawful subpoenas, and some feel patriotic duty to say wrong doing. You can see why the three others may not want to come forward. I dont know why houses investigators havent called him to do an interview and tell them exactly what he saw. I can tell you the d. C. Attorneys office, the locust of these investigations, is leaking. And if Jonathan Kravitz watched him and not get embroiled in either case, he might have the backs of a lot of people whose careers are still on the line in that building. Just as at the state department, i think there were a lot of people inside the building and others from around the government who came forward and testified as heroes. I think there are a lot of people who are outraged by what bill bars doing. And he and the other prosecutors standing up to the department doing something inappropriate. They would welcome someone coming forward and give voice for the concerns. Youre reporting today provided everything we planned to talk about we talked about. You report about this writing is this afternoon. And the handling of memos to prosecutors for possible criminal prosecution. And lawyers determining its not a close call and not seeking to build a case. You write how that sent trump into a rage. He complained so loudly and swore so frequently in the oval office some of his aids discussed it for days, these people said. Trump reportedly said comey deserved to be charged. They believe they didnt charge him. And i worked for a guy who wouldnt let me wear sweaters and jeans on saturdays. Its a remarkable body of reporting on the president and his Justice Department. I think what weve seen in the last 48 to 72 hours was months in the making. President trump has privately and publicly raged not just about his advisors being targeted in the russia investigation and being charged and convicted in connection with that, but being charged who he wants to see charged. The decision on comey came months ago. Though, its important to note theres some kind of leak investigation going on and investigators have been asking a lot of questions about james comey, so maybe thats not totally over. The one outstanding was today the Justice Department revealed they were not going to charge him and in keeping with the story from last night, trump again flies into a rage. We reported that white house lawyers had to go calm the president down. We havent seen the president lash out publicly yet but its only been a matter of hours and this is complicating the relationship between President Trump and bill barr. I assume President Trump would look at whats going on in the u. S. D. C. Attorneys office and think thats a good thing. But there are things in the other camp today too, bill barrs abc interview, no charges against mccabe, thats making this relationship between the white house and the Justice Department a lot more complicated. This is your beat. So, i want to put this to you. Have you ever studied a moment like this where a sitting ag talks to the president on tv, sort of a limp plea to stop tweeting about criminal caseinize volving his pals and within 12 hours the president defies that request and the cases still have the taint of barrs fingerprints and trumps clear directions made publicly. Ive covered the Justice Department in the heart of the hillary email investigation. Its almost as if ive never known a Justice Department in normal, calm times. To your question, trump and barrs relationship, im struggling to understand. It seems trump was such this loyal soldier for the whole time and maybe still is. And hes the cabinet secretary more than anyone. What is another example of a cabinet secretary publicly defying trump . We understand he privately, for weeks, has been begging trump not to tweet. And most remarkable of all, trump doesnt listen. He tweets and his tweet is specifically about getting involved in criminal cases. The one thing bill barr had warned him not to tweet about. The next 48 hours are going to be interesting and the next weeks and months leading up to the election, can bill barr balance this keeping control of his department really felt like he was losing it. And i dont know where it stands now. I take the note on limp. It was as if nothing else, impotent. Whatever you thought i thought it was for show, baloney. I was a Communications Adviser to a sitting president. I have a pretty good radar for Communications Activity that is done when all the alarms are blaring and the sprinklers are soaking the building and you have a fouralarm fire. So i thought it was lame, half hearted and didnt feel real to me. I dont know whats in barr mind or heart. Whatever he did, it worked. And in that sense, because it didnt work, bill barr joins the dozens and dozens of people who have told him and asked him to not tweet. Hes going to tweet. And what would make him think the president was going to stop doing what hes been doing. This is exactly how the president operates. What im curious about is whether barr has the capital with trump to weather Something Like this. If its enough to say theres no charges here but look, we have another bite at the apple over here. Because thats what it looks like from the outside. Is that theres an effort to go over and try to get redos and, at minimum, keep the president just from exploding like the reporting shows he did today. I want to ask you a sensitive question about the Justice Department in which you served. Why does someone like mr. Jensen say yes to a mission when donald trump has said publicly he plans to take the results from mr. Durhams investigation into the origins of the russia probe and use them in an election effort . So, im maybe the wrong person to ask that question because i chose to resign from service as a United States attorney the night before President Trump was inaugurated. Stril strictly out of concern he had showed us who he was during the campaign, and that was not a Justice Department i wanted to be part of. I think its difficult to understand why people support this president s decision. If i can go back to what youre discussing with carol lee and if youre bill barr and youve gone on record telling the president to stop tweeting. And if you really believe in the independence of the Justice Department, which hes at least gone on record saying he believes in, then when the president s response is to tweet hell medal in cases whenever he pleases, your only move is to resign. If he doesnt resign, he wasnt sincere when he went on abc, hes never been sincere and he has essentially let the Justice Department become a Political Tool for this president. You sort of took my breath away there. Sounds like youre painting an even more dire picture than what is publicly facing. Do you feel more resignations are possible if the Flynn Investigation appears to be politically motivated on the eve of some sort of sentencing or final disposition of the case . You know, i have so much confidence in and sympathy for the line prosecutors right now. They keep their heads down, they get the work done. Theyre not particularly well paid. The notion that we would expect them to resign and shoulder the burden of trumpism. When senators, republican senators were unwilling to do that based on strong evidence they heard during impeachment, it seems so wrong to ask these people to do it and i hope they dont resign because i dont want bill barrs Justice Department to get theyre career employees. I hope everyone will stay in place and do their jobs unless they have no choice whatsoever. It was your great reporting that started this conversation for us this morning. What are your questions as this day sort of heads into what can sometimes be the evening tweet expressions from the president . What are you looking for . I think what happens next is my big question. If the president continues to tweet, continues to defy barrs public requests, what does barr do . If he says hey, stop doing it and he keeps doing it, your only recourse is to resign if you want people to believe you mean what you say. What does the president do . And what does barr do in response . And it seems like the playbook since the sessions administration. First, you had john huber, gen derm do these produce anything or just a fig leaf so President Trump can say hey, theyre investigating this investigation into me that shows its corrupt. What happens to those is a big question for me. Its such a good point and i remember talking to a trump voter as the Mueller Report was coming to the final weeks and he says i know muellers a big deal for you guys but i cant wait to see what wr huber and hor witz come up with. Great reporting today. Thank you for spending time with us. After the break, more on the war trump is waging on law enforcement. More stunning reporting as fbi director, chris wray as the focus. And trump reveals, as weve been talking boupt about, that he plans to use durhams findings as a cudgel in his reelection campaign. And well show you brand new battleground polls that put Bernie Sanders on top in key supertuesday states. And with the general election months away, its playing out on social media as though the general elections already here. Well explain. man sneezes whats the time . Device a dime is ten cents. Severe cold or flu . Take control with theraflu. Powerful, soothing relief to defeat your worst cold and flu symptoms fast. 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Durham appears to be pursuing a theory that the cia, under the former director, john brennan, had a preconceived notion about russia or was trying to goet a particular result and nefariously trying to get others to see the full picture. But officials from the fbi and the National Security agencies have told mr. Durham and his investigators that such an interpretation is wrong and based on a misunderstanding of how the Intelligence Community functions. The Washington Post adds this. Trump has become more insistent that durham finishes work soon, according to familiar with the discussions. Trump, these people said, wants to find whatever he needs as a cudgel for the reelection campaign. Politics editor for the daily beast. I used to find it poetic. I think Ashley Parker is the first i heard describe this as doing the quiet part out loud. I think theyre normalizing taking u. S. Attorney special investigations as the most sensitive National Security matters and the most politically sensitive cases and the president saying i plan to run campaign ads on the findings. This thing about durham is the same game as ukraine. Remember, he didnt care if they did the investigation, he wanted them to announce it so he could have a Political Tool to go after his opponents. Theyre funding an Opposition Research effort run by this guy, durham, wherever he is, on behalf of Donald Trumps campaign. They should be fired immediately, of course. But bill barr is the trump family attorney. You know, youve been on a tear about the corruption in plain view. Call me crazy. I mean, i think we lose the frame gets too tight, right inbecause we start staring at the trees and we lose the forest. Im a student of or in the therapy called pattern recognition and theres a lot of pattern historically where the pattern is so flagrant and brazen, voters do recoil. There is a point voters cant abide corruption. 1994, 2006, there was perception the parties in power were corrupt, for whatever reason, broad and narrow, but they were thrown out because of that. Donald trump requires not only you support corruption. You have to look the other way. You have to say he learned his lesson. They know what he did and know what hes doing right now and theyre complicit from top to bottom. And the fact of the matter is they deserve to face electoral consequences. They should have bill barrs wide bottom down there in a chair tomorrow at a hearing. They should subpoena him right now. Hes engaged in flagrant obstruction of justice and hes behaving like a mob lawyer, not a senior doj official. You know, sam stein, i think theres always a lag, right . Were outside of it. We see trumps contukt. We have great investigating reporting from carol and other news investigations. Its all out there. I know a lot of people that worked in the bush Justice Department. I know far fewer people that work in this Justice Department. Youve worked under people the kind of person that has that job thinks theyre protected by black and white things. The rule of the law, the letter of the law. I woenlt be corrupted. The truth is everything trump touches dies. You see sort of the gang green really starting to spread through the Justice Department. How deep and wide do you think the contamination is or the feeling of contamination is . My wife worked for the justi justish department once upon of time and think tofz still with revrance for the institution. For those that are graduates of the institution, its extremely painful to see the rockets taking hold in the reputation. One, is durhams from connecticut, im from connecticut. Secondly, i agree with you. I think theres a cultural corruption happening here. And i think its worthwhile to talk about that theres two types of conversations. And on the other side what trump cant see is hes rooting out corruption. What they see is in fact the corrupt entity is not bill barr, but the deep state, quote on quote, and the lawyers, instugzallests at justice who would look at donald trump and try to rig the election. Of course thats silly. So, while this corruption is true that youre talking about, its working both ways. And thats why its incumbent on a neutral arbiter and thats where the failure is. Its the Republican Congress has not decided as an institution to decide this is crazy. We need do something about this. Instead, theyre letting them get away with it. The problem with the trump side to the case is it would have to assume the corruption extends to randomly appointed its more than that. Gordon sondland, who paid a Million Dollars theyre all in on this nefarious corrupt plot and theyre trump appointees. Conspiracies are really hard. And a conspiracy from top to bottom set up years in advance while they were taking down Hillary Clinton is so broke is and elaborate. Where you had to get mueller and brennan and bolton all at once. You actually allowed him to become president. Doesnt make any sense. The sad thing is its not congress that should be the neutral arbiter. Its supposed to be the Justice Department. Yes, trump has to call other people corrupt because he is. The Justice Department is supposed to be the entity removed from that. Theyre now completely corrupt themselves. The Intelligence Community has been weary of two things. Durhams scope and even though he was viewed as an honest broker in the investigation into the torture case, because it was shorthanded. Theres been concern around two things. One, that it was around facts and two it was around something not knowable. They were seeking to open opprocess they didnt understand. Both of those are really good points. And the gina haskell one will be a very interesting thing to watch. Youve seen inside the Justice Department. She has not gotten to that point yet. And if theres if she winds up not defending the cia officials, then you could see that her having similar problem and she hasnt yet. Im sure clapping didnt help. Thank you both for spending some time with us. When we come back, Bernie Sanders live rallying the crowd in North Carolina. One of the battleground states hes leading in. We made usaa insurance for members like martin. An air force veteran made of doing whats right, not whats easy. So when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. That how you do it right. Usaa insurance is made just the way martins family needs it with hasslefree claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. Because doing right by our members, thats whats right. Usaa. What youre made of, were made for. Usaa our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition. For strength and energy whoohoo greattasting ensure. With nine grams of protein and twentyseven vitamins and minerals. Ensure, for strength and energy. Some people say thats ridiculous. Age is just an illusion. How you show up for the world, thats whats real. Whats your idea . I put it out there with a godaddy website. The establishment is getting nervous. That is a good thing. Let us go forward. Lets win in North Carolina. Lets win the nomination. Thank you all very much. Were not nervous about you, brother. Were nervous about the guy in the office with no corners. Hes not in nevada or South Carolina where the next votes take place. Instead hes taken a page from the bloomberg page book, it would seem. Today hes visiting North Carolina and texas, two of 14 states casting their votes then. New polling shows hes doing well in both of those places. A recent North Carolina survey finds him leading biden way out on top by six points. In texas he leads the former vp by two. 24 support there. Up 12 from aulkt. Brewster whos following the Bernie Sanders campaign. Not that they need to be buoyed. They always look pretty pumped. But good news for the Sanders Campaign today. Reporter thats exactly right and its very clear this campaign is putting a premium on these super tuesday states. You know this. There are Different Levels of investments you can make in your campaign. You can invest money. And they did that with the ad buy that included many of the super tuesday states. And senator sanders had two events in North Carolina. Right now hes still speaking on stage in charlotte, North Carolina and later hell be going to texas in the dallas area for a big rally there. His messaging is also getting sharper. It was in durham we heard him, he said that hes taking on opponent whose are billionaires trying to buy elections and taking on opponent whose are funded by many billionaires. Thats a notsosubtle jab at mayor bloomberg and mayor pete buttigieg. So, this campaign is a making a clear sign to the rest of the field saying hey, were going to be competing in the super tuesday states because we find them important. Here with us on the trail with Bernie Sanders. Thank you, my friend. Lets bring into our conversation, jason johnson. I couldnt even read your name, i was dieing to ask you a hundred questions. And amy, also bursting with questions for you. Sanders has the momentum. Seems to have got more momentum by New Hampshire than mayor pete got out of the botched result in iowa. But you still hear it on the street, in the playground, on the dog park, every place you go, this angst about him. What and how does that sort of resolve itself . It resolves itself through the western department. Bernie sanders is something completely new. He is something we have not seen in american politics in a long time and people get nervous. They doechbnt know if its goio work or be effective. They fear Bernie Sanders turns more blue states purple than red states purple. Thats what i hear from my consultant friends. What i hear from regular people is i dont know if his plans are effective. Alexandria ocasiocortez said medicare for all is going to take a while. Thats the first time youve heard someone on the sanders side say that. I have a window into the less elegant high low. Its people are brutal. Take no prisoners. Very trump like and thats whats being said about his supporters and bernie doesnt want to rain that in the way trump doesnt. Without the blue switch on their phones, not twitter players, theyre gravitating towards other people because they dont think someone branded a democratic socialist would ever beat donald trump who has the stock market unleashed. This is what i hear mostly from voters its not that they dislike sanders. The issue is electability. Its that democrats are concerned about. Now, there is a core of sanders supporters who are going to stick with him no matter what. Its 25 26 of the popular voted. But expanding that base, as we know the not Bernie Sanders candidate hasnt been determined and theyre splitting the votes a lot of different ways and you know what else determens a winner . Someone who starts winning and winning and winning. At some point if you wrap up wins and comes really close in South Carolina, he wins in some of the super tuesday states, youre going to see a lot of democratic voters go, okay, i guess this is our guy and trying to make some sense of it. Hes not unpopular among democrats. Its not that hes going in upside down. He is, i think, the candidate his supporters are very enthusiastic about him. No one has that level of intense support. All right. Were going to sneak in a break. Ill test that theory on the other side. Ne with pure protein. High protein low sugar tastes great high protein low sugar so good high protein low sugar mmmm, birthday cake and try pure protein delicious protein shakes with Td Ameritrade tools, and help from pros. 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They want it to be about this caricature and Bernie Sanders fits that perfectly. He loses every rural democrat that flipped from obama to trump. Cant get them back. Theyre not a bunch of hard core progressives that want to march the acriristocrats to the guillotine. They are much more maurderate. And thats in wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania, arizona. Florida, michigan. It is not the recipe for a sweeping revolution, because those people arent out there. This imaginary youth evolution t never comes. The greatest youth turn out was between Herbert Walker bush and dukakis. Hes not going to get this mystical vote and i predict hell lose 44 states if the nominee. 44 states try me. Well, well pin this one. I guess i have a differing opinion than the panel. I think bernie has obvious flaws. The perfect candidate to run against trump. Theyre legitimate cases. Their own unique set of flaws, if not bigger flaws. One is, of course, who will be best against trump. And they can make the case bernie can for a variety of reasons. One, is no one has built a bigger grass roots funding and his own conventionality does suit in that he can be the candidate who has an internet culture that can go to war for him, basically in a way that trump has for him. There are incredibly risky elements to his candidacy. I think its safe to say. But there is something that i understand why voters get sold on and i dont think its dismissible right off the bat. I dont think its an issue of being dismissible. If im Bernie Sanders, the candidate that i want to run against f we get this down to two people, he wants to run against mike bloomberg. Because hes a cartoon villain for everything Bernie Sanders stands for. If he can beat him ideologically and structurally, that money, Mike Bloombergs background, then he can make the case i can beat donald trump. Thats what everyone is waiting to find out. They dont think he can win. They dont necessarily think his plans are believable. Hes doing okay with latinos but cant get anywhere with black people over the age of 30. And you have to have believing can win. Again, he beats Michael Bloomberg, maybe he can make that argument. This is where i feel like the politics of the trump hysteria take us far away from the politic that is when i was doing campaigns the starting point and that would be you wouldnt dane to put forward a candidate thats nowhere with africanamerican voters on february 14th of an election year. Im on the record. I will vote for whom dfr gladly and easily vote for Bernie Sanders if he is the nominee. Not personal but the political strategist is like, it is a fouralarm fire in the political soul. How do you as a Democratic Party tell everyone to get behind someone whos a i dont know. I have no fricking clue what democratic socialist means and sounds scary and hes got very little africanamerican support. Enthusiasm is one thing but money matters, too. You look at the people that Michael Bloomberg has been hiring, the money throwing out, a great story in miami times offering 6,500 for 8 months for the activist but he had to think about it with health care. Michael bloomberg can change the local economy in certain blacktown just by paying people. That matters. If you are willing to pay them for an extended period of time to influence the vote. I dont disagree but theres a backlash that bernie has used to his advantage and people i talk to are repulsed by the idea. Michael bloomberg would come in, throw hundreds of millions of dollars and think that he can win votes. There is a backlash to that to understand is happening. Is it more important than the actual money itself . To be determined. I think wed be silly to predict but, you know, a good chunk of this Democratic Party is animated by the idea that money should be out of poll techs and the structure of bernie is the future and the ideal of running a campaign. I love that you used platonic ideal. There is a discussion that is ideally we want this. Ideally we have to stand by our principles and who we are as a party. They want to beat donald trump. Right. If that i would argue they has ever been the vehicle is, no matter how flawed that vehicle, that is who theyre going to get behind. The other question for Bernie Sanders and i think the real pushback is not necessarily coming from the establishment democrats but from House Democrats. I think the bigger problem for House Democrats is all those seats that flipped, especially in the suburbs, where he will be toxic and you really are talking about if you get a president , not just win the senate but lose the house, too . All right. 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Right now doesnt look like hes winning in nevada and at some point without the money or momentum it is really hard to see where he goes from here and so we had somebody who initially im sure you all had the conversations, too, with democrats who said i cant believe he can win the nomination. He is too weak of a frontrunner and holding on and looked like, well, maybe, skate through this until the voters spoke up. Hes a good i would say like a buy low candidate maybe but he has no money. Right. Secondly, this is performtive for him, right . He has to show that he can win a debate or a primary and throw a punch a and so many people figuratively. People in New Hampshire said i want to make sure he has a pulse first. Donald trump is going after his son in emotional terms for months and saying nothing. Like show me you care. To be fair, the high watermarks of the biden candidacy eloquent attacks on Donald Trumps racism. Sure. Theres talk to bag New Hampshire and go to South Carolina. 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