Fbi and the men and women who work there. His attorney general, william barr in the fronted row and has not yet released any public statements or concerns or expre expressed disagreements with the smears against his work force. Weve been going through this now for over three years. It was evil, it was corrupt t was dirty cops. It was leakers and liars. In my opinion these are the crookedest, most dis honest, dirtiest people ive ever seen. With all of these horrible dirty cops that took these dossiers and do bad things. Thigh knew all about it. The fisa courts should be ashamed of themselves. Dirty cops, bad people. If this happened to president obama, a lot of people would have been in jail for a long time already many, many years. If i didnt fire james comey, we would have never found this guy. Because when i fired that sleez bag, all hell broke out. They were ratting on each other, they were running for the hills. Lets see what happens. Lets see what happens. Its in the hands of very talented people. Were going to have to see what happens. The president s inner monologue is where we start with some of our favorite reporters and friends. White house reporter for the Washington Post is back. John is here, former general counsel at the fbi is here. Also at the table former chief spokesman for the Justice Department, matd rr miller and former managing editor. I have to start with you. Today and if you go on trumps sort of schedules of time, this was the rant about the Mueller Investigation which ended eight months ago, so i guess we have to wait eight more months for his thoughts on impeachment, which ended yesterday . Yeah. We do. I guess have to wait. I feel like we got our fill that will hold us over for quite a long time. As is often the case, our generalized sense of shock and horror and outrage. The question is whats the question. What would you like the start . I sensed this is battle lines for the election ahead. I think all we can do is stop and look. I pulled back the curtain inside his mind. Thats what it was. I think anyone outraged by the debase in the east room is probably not in trumps camp. I think if youre titillated, youre already in trumps camp. This is about everybody else. And i think if youre part of the everybody else and petes coalition, which he came in close second in iowa, thats the political earthquake we should be talking about. But instead, because of Donald Trumps addiction to shocking and auing all the time, he continues to block out the sun. What do these democrats what do they do . Lets just take a look at this week. The stark contrast of this week has been in purely political terms and ive expressed my outrage so many times i feel like a broken record. So, im not even a bother today. I think this week weve seen so far, up until today, donald trump have an incredibly great week. Democrats made a spectacle of themselves on wednesday. Its a global embarrassment which took place on monday. You rarely want to give donald trump credit for anything but when he said the cluster that took place on iowa monday, democratic chairman saying were going to recanvas the caucus. An election with fewer than 200,000 people take part, we dont know who won. So, that was a good day for donald trump. His state of the union was his opportunity to boast about his Approval Ratings and his strong economy. He then got acquitted for the second time theyve taken a serious run at him. So, he walked away scot free and everyone knows hes guilty as sin. With his Approval Rating at 49 . So, this is a great week for donald trump. And then he got to be donald trump again. Today all of the craziness and the greaveness and hunted housery that lives inside that largely empty, apart from the grievances, head of his, came tumbling out in public. If the guy could just not do the stuff he did today, it would be very hard to beat him in an election campaign. Giveline the strengths of the economy l the other things and the foolishness on the democratic side, you say donald trump is the prohibitive favor toot get elected. And then he reminds you this guys beatable because hes so profoundly flawed. He has his strengths but theyre so great and glaring and unable to control them that he reminds everyone, with regularity like a clock, he reminds everyone of course hes beatable and he must be beaten and he feeds the fire on the democratic side. If theres anything democrats need to get back on track, its that performance there today a stark reminder of what they must be up to. I think john make as very good point about donald trump reminding everyone about his weaknesses. Approval rating is only 49 . In the poll average is in some ways at his strongest when hes not in front of the public all the time. Because when he is, you see what you saw today, which is the white hot center of donald trump, which is a man consumed by grievances. Someone who doesnt understand anything about virtue, about the rule of law, right and wrong. Somebody whos with me and against me. And today, he might as well have been out there saying i want mitt romneys head on a pike, lisa page and everyone against me. I want their heads on a pike. The words they pretended to be so offended about when adam schiff used them. He was attacking and making clear the consequences for anyone who crosses him. And this is important. If youll stand with me, ill praise you on national television. He had all these members of Congress Stand up. Youll be part of the team, rewarded. And if youre not, i will come at you with everything i have. Its not a team, its a mafia family. And donald trump spent a lot of time attacking jim comey today. A lot of time airing his grievances with the Mueller Investigation, which you were a part of. How did that land inside the fbi workforce, when the attorney general is in the front row. I think they keep their head down and a very apolitical lets do the job thats about corruption, at large. People are going to be concerned about whether theyre allowed to follow the facts and apply the law. Is there interference. And clearly there was an odd moment where he kept looking over in the press conference to the attorney general as if thats just somebody who carries out what he wants to do, which is traditionally not what the role of the attorney general is. Traditionally not a role to sit in the crowd. We should be explicit with our viewers. Hes talking about getting all the people he attacked in the durham probe. He should be very concerned by what donald trump just promised his base. Absolutely. If i were the democrats, what i would be doing is making two points to criticize whats going on. One is a complete absence of facts. What you have here is classic demagoguery, which is its all adjectives. Evil, corrupt. In the case of mueller folks t was we were angry. None of that has to do with the facts. So, i think there was Something Interesting when the italians were trying to get rid of bauer skoeny and had a similar demagogue who also was amoral and one of the ways you do it is you dont just talk about his personal, you go to the facts and talk about why the policies are wrong. All of this is just adjectives. Theres complete dirt of the president saying what exactly is wrong with the people. What have they actually said thats incorrect. And the second point is its noticeable because the president mouths off about this but where was he in the house . Where was he in the senate . He never submitted to an interview, never testified under oath. Its true the same happened in the mueller case. I think theres a classic reason. There is legal jeopardy that attaches if you sit for an interview or if you Say Something under oath to federal prosecutors, to the house,to the senate. So f you note this is president is happy to talk today about this is evil and these people are corrupt, but when it came time to put up or shut up, which is are you willing to actually say this under oath . Or in an interview hes silent. One classic way of dealing with this is to say a lot of your people testified and they were willing to come in and Say Something under oath, under the penalty of perjury. Where were you . He was getting ready for this. Im sure you share my despair at seeing the room like this. This was a room, nat when ythat you have the privilege of working in the white house, its the grandest room. War is declared, peace is announced. Medals of freedom is handed out, with the exception of rush limbaughs. And its a grand room used to say the sorts of things for a political rally. I heard john say hes not going to observation press how appalled he was. But im going to express how appalled i was. And i couldnt help but think by the way voters should be listened to lishen for an entire press conference because then i think its impossible to vote for him. They have to think what a poor excuse for a president , what a poor excuse for a man, what a poor excuse for a human being and i voted to acquit him. Weve been talking about what the democrats have to do. Continuing to have 60 of americans and traditionally an incumbent president gets a majority of voters. He gets about 55 of the people who think we have a good economy. Barack obama got nine out of ten of the people in 2012. And the more people see this appalling vision of donald trump, the more they may discount that for the good economy. Why we use the word acquit . Why dont we use the why dont we use the phrase not guilty about this . Because hes not acquitted. Hes simply not proven. There was no evidence offered. This you bick wuty of the word acquit and holding up that thing beats truman is kind of a problem. Technically it is correct to say not guilty or acquit. You may it has never the attributes of a real trial but its a real trial. Republicans would say we did have the record before the house in front of us. It is the case there was some evidence for them, that democrats would say not a complete record and there was more to get. But there was some evidence. If youre a democrat you say what were you afraid of . There were clear witnesses, including ones not others with available. The constitution says the senate has to try him and is responsible for trying him. It doesnt say if the senate doesnt convict, hes acquitted. Whether its approved or not guilty, its all the same. Ill film it for you if you want. You have this great sort of term of saying the quiet part out loud. I want to show you this moment where donald trump went back to where it all began with hunter biden and seemed to suggest and normalize the idea on enriching themselves in the presidency. They dont think its corrupt when a son who made no money, that got thrown out of the military, with no money at all is working for 3 million up front, 83,000 a month and thats only ukraine. Goes to china, picks up 1. 5 billion, then to romainia, i hear, and many other countries. They think thats okay. Because if it s is ivanka in the audience . My kids could make a fortune. They could make a fortune. Its corrupt. His kids are making a fortune and i think ivanka takes Global Summits and i think they all stuff brochures in their pockets on air force 1. Its the audacity thats staggering, appalling or impressive. Whats that line that maybe ivanka should do it . Its not just that he says the quiet part out loud. One of his greatest political assets is his shamelessness and the ability to take something he is doing or his family is doing or charge that could be levelled against him and level that same charge back on a lesser crime with ten times the strength. And the sense of righteousness. And he does that repeatedly. And i think it catches people off guard, even though it shouldnt be because they cannot believe the audacity of a man doing the thing hes accusing someone else of doing. This speech its not the right word but its off the cuff and free form. I dont know that he intentionally performed it, but its classic for how he behaves. It was also very specific. Free form is the right word for how he speaks. But it was very specific. I mean he was prosecuting men and women who have been investigated by their own departments inspector general, men and women who have been investigated by congressional committees. Now investigated by a attorney general nodding and smiling, as did his cia director a couple nights ago at the stated of the uni. And there is a very Serious Investigation underway still by john durham, a u. S. Attorney from connecticut. Is he telegraphing to that investigator his desired outcome . Something there are no accidents with trump. Do you have any idea in terms of foreshadowing . Theres not that much secret to it. We find out behind the scenes he ordered something up and we ask for that. As you say that part of his speech or riff was very specific and you could one would be forgivon for rightly interpreting it as going down in a list and naming everyone by name and putting them on notice. You are either with this president or you are against him. And if youre against him, he is going to name you. He is going to be incredibly dismissive and angry and vindictive towards you as he was in that speech. And if youre not, youre a loyalist and youre going to get a shout out and asked to stand in the east room to accept praise from this president. And i dont think he was try foing to be particularly discrete. He named names today and i think Ashley Parker accurately describes those names as belonging on an enemys list. The Intelligence Community is made up of career officials. And their job is to be completely apolitical. It is vite toal to our National Security that people are askict based on what the facts are and what the laws permit. You dont want them to say whatever the republican or democrat wants to hear. Its really important for the people to understand that is their job. Its an incredibly dangerous thing for the lead orof the free world to be sending a signal that theyre supposed to be partisan. Although that was the clear order from said leader. Thank you for starting us off. As trump vows revenge, mitt romney and nancy pelosi fight back. With the president ahead of what promises to be a scorched earth bid for his reelection. A member of the intel Communities Join us to explain what those committees still want from john bolton ahead of his new tell all. And a do over in iowa just days ahead of the New Hampshire primary. All these stories coming up. He is purely, like nancy pelosi, just blinded by hatred. Because when he had his shot, he couldnt do it. And hes more concerned about attempting to be loved by those who hate his gutsz, by the media, by the left who destroyed his political career, who destroyed his president ial run than he is about doing what his constituency wants. Hes not brave. Hes a coward. I promise youll never have to see that again ever, ever. Thats my promise to you. Hasnt been two weeks since republicans clutched their collective pearls when he clutched a narrative that attributed to a threat from team trump to put their heads on pikes. And here we are while trump seeks to relitigate against the Justice Department for its investigations, he and his allies are engaged in political retribution over impeachment. Calling mitt romney a failed candidate. The attacks simply underscoring the elegance of romneys madeforhistory speech in defense of it. I believe the act he took, an effort to corrupt an election, is as destructive an attack on the oath of office and our constitution as i could imagine. It is a high crime and misdemeanor in the meaning of the constitution and that is not a decision i take lightly. It is it the last decision i want to take. The personal consequences, the political consequences that fall on me as a result are going to be extraordinary. But i swore an oath before god that i would imply impartial justice and that said what the president did was greivisly wrong. Chuck went after romney about naming him at this mornings prayer breakfast, of all places. And the revenge tour didnt stop. I dont like people who use their faith as justification for doing what they know is wrong. Nor do i like people who say i pray for you when they know thats not so. You didnt have that slowed down. You can wait for another day to analyze the pace of his speech. The last job with nancy pelosi, whos repeatedly said shes prayed for trump. I dont know what the president understands about prayer or people who do pray, but we do pray for the United States of america, i pray for him, i pray for president bush still, president obama a bit. Because its a heavy responsibility and i pray hard for him because hes so off the track. He really needs our prayers. So, he can say whatever he wants. But i do pray for him. What he said about senator romney was particularly without class. Joining our conversation, someone full of class, and in washington heidi basel, all of it. Its startling, isnt it . Rirlt so funny theyre like what . Which . So much. Sglirl its incredible that the gloves really are off. For nancy pelosi, who we talked so much about months ago, being so reluctant to go down the path and now shes ripping up speeches in the state of the union. Is that a good thing or bad thing . A lot of people like the fact that she did it. Im from the bronx and all about putting things in your face and telling you how i feel. I made this point about impeachment before. Just because the left is jinned up and excited about it, doesnt mean youre not going to get the same or similar reaction on the right. My thoughts on this. I have not. Take the figures out of it. When you analyze both sides, donald trump said bull shit in the east room today. Its not like she ripped it up in the middle. I dont care but it does say to me that were in a different place than we were years ago. And lets talk about the president s comment. When barack obama was president , there were a lot of times i wanted him to kul people out and show that level of anger. But because he was president and he obeyed certain respected certain norms, because hes an africanamerican and would be judged differently, i understand why he did do that. The truth is his base loves that he does that, he has no trouble crossing it. As democrats, we have to be able to match that. I wasnt of that opinion before but my mind has changed a bit. I mean this is a moment where i think the democrats have to look at their kand dcandidates decide who can constantly wrestle this back to even. He vanquished 16 republicans because jeb bush would put up an ad saying trump wasnt conservative and he trump would say so. And whats his name would play with his hands rubio and say mine arent that small and trump would get grosser. The democrats have to figure out how to stop getting trump graded on a curve or his obliteration of norms will go thats what he does. And theyll talk about whether nancy should or shouldnt have ripped up a speech. And democrats tend to get their nickers in a twist over stuff like that in a way the republicans dont. There is always the case, even before donald trump, and part of the reason trump was possible in your former party, is there was always the greater latitude for that kind of behavior. Republicans has more Party Loyalty and would accept deviation. They would basically line up behind them no matter what. Democrats, whether you like it or not, they like to indulge indiana fighting more than republicans do and more pearl clutching. Basel is a good example of what has happens over this time where people who previously wanted standards and decorum have said look, we cant win if we continue to act like the old world is still the old world. There rr tclassic you dont wan to get in the mud with the pig. You get dirty. So, trump is the ultimate pig, the ultimate political pig. Hes not in the mud. Hes in all the other stuff in the ground. And if you get down in there with him, hes just going deeper and dirtier than you are. I think democrats are getting the sense that by playing by the old rules is not the way to win against donald trump. Theres more to say about this but i think theres been a shift. The question now is looking around at the terrible week theyve endured and as they look at Bernie Sanders and Pete Buttigieg coming out of iowa. Which of those guys is the guy . Or one of those guys the guy . I dont sense among democrat as whole lot of collective competence theyve found the person yet who knows how to get in this fight with trump and win. Thats not the party doesnt feel like theyre there yet when you talk to them. They like various candidates butted none of them feel like we got his number now. Heidi, i want to bring you in on republicans. Because the counterargument, of course, is from a place of faithfulness to his faith, high moral standing, mitt romney ruined the president s week more than anybody. Hes more mad over mitt romneys speech on the floor of the senate, splitting the limelight and senate from him. I mean mitt romneys speech will be in history books ahead of the east room rally celebrating his acquittal. First, i wanted to say, nicois all of this head on a pike stuff was so outrageous and wrong. Spot on. Theyre going to miss this excuse. Theyre going to miss being blamed for cowards when they look corrupt. They should have stuck with heads on pikes when they had a chance. Not only did mitt romney make history in terms of breaking with hispe party for the first time in history to vote for a conviction of a u. S. President. Donald trump hasnt had this experience, to this date, of someone hitting him back so hard this way that mitt romney did where, it hurt. Mostly the republicans have not lived to fight another day. Theyve all left congress. This is something where mitt romney hit him and hit him hard. Chair wrote something really importantly today. He knows whats going on and what he is telling us is this has nothing to do with politics, nothing to do with believes or philosophy or ideology. Its about fear. And what youre seeing here is something that all of us, anybody who survived junior high can relate to, which is theres only a few bullies but theres way more people going along with the bully because they dont want to be the ones bullied and when high school is over, it all looks very different, doesnt it . Sure does. Theyve already written this. 2,000 historians have weighed in and said this president committed impeachable acts and 24 hours later, mitt romney is the one still trending on twitter. Your coverage of impeachment for us was amazing. You mentioned the sharon brown piece and everyone should get online and read the whole thing and read it one more time . He basically writes that what republicans say to him in private is basically what mitt romney said on the senate floor. That is what i have heard from a handful of republicans. Look, theyre not going to admit it from to a reporter in the hallway necessarily. But i am going to say that i have no ekwivication about reporting, that ive seen many come down and not even make eye contact. Beat it out of there quickly, hang their heads. They know a lot of them know they know the same thing that mitt romney knows, which is the facts presented have not been, to this day, refuted. And thats why you saw so many of the interactions with president s, what he calls warriors. Theyre really warriors on truth. They were down there on a regular basis to basically distract and gas lite the American Public about what actually happened in this case, which is pretty clear cut. And even senator alexander said we dont need more evidence. The case has been made. I think there was mercenaries. You were a superstar. I loved watching all your reporting. After the break, the chairman of the dnc calls for a doover of the entire iowa caucus as pete plans to capitalize on his better than experienced. So, what i want to do today, three days late, is to thank the people of iowa for the very strong victory they gave us at the Iowa Caucuses on monday night. Some 6,000 more iowans came out on caucus night to support our candidacy than the candidacy of anyone else. And when 6,000 more people come out for you in an election, then your nearest opponent, we here in Northern New England call that a victory. I cant find that. Its not on my didnt he tie with mayor pete, the 37yearold, not anymore, mayor . Hes disingenuous, to say the least. Hes not telling the truth. Part of the problem with iowa is what do you want to do . Simplify, simplify, simplify. They made it more complex. Had three different metrics. So, hes counting the first metric of people who came in that night will tooling support bernie. But many of whom switched to mayor pete. My heart goes out toot him because, having covered many Iowa Caucuses and look for the head guy at 9 00, he would have got the same headlines barack obama had in 2008. And he missed them. In a way bernie got a break because people dont see him as the loser in a way biden got break. Bernie might have won. I looked at every piece of information out of iowa. I didnt see anywhere that bernie won by 6,000 and theyre still counting and the dnc chair today said they need to count again. I agree and i think the political earthquake you and i were talking all day long. Bernie sanders was expected to win. The expelkitations had Bernie Sanders running away with iowa. John kerry was on the phone in a restaurant saying im going to save the party. Pete buttigieg beat him or tied him for first place. Thats a political earthquake from my days in politics. I guess the opening of the spin from bernie came from the fact the results arent official or known . Are you talking to me . Yeah. I think what happened is what rick said, we didnt have a clear outcome on caucus night. So all the normal dynamics of caucus night and the following morning and the International Press and the Digital Press and tv press, no one knew and no one could trust the results as they trickled out all day tuesday. Iowa is not about delegates. Its about who gets the most delegates. The main reason the state has power is it goes first and when you get that first night, the first contest, someone has won, someone has lost. Someone has exceeded expectations. All of that didnt happen on the normal trajectory. And so, you now have both bernie and pete. Theres question about who won, whos going to get the most delegates. And we still dont know ultimately the popular vote. Bernie probably is right. He might have more than 6,000 votesen the first alignment. But neektslgte neither one of t clear claim to victory because were still arguing about it and no one in the end trusts the outcome of this process now. Its been such a mess. And i think Elizabeth Warren is in the current ranking. Number three. She got one. That should be a huge story. The debacle screwed everyone in the field. Joe biden is the person lived to fight another day, right . I think when i look at the results t looks like bernie came ahead in the first ballot and theyre go tag tie in the number of votes. I think what iowa did is undermine a number of the candidates ragszal. Joe biden has been saying im the one that can beat donald trump. To be electable, you have to win elections. He came in fourth. Bernie sanders has said i can turn out massive amounts of new voters. Turnout was down from 2016, let alone 2008. Thats a massive blow to his big argument, let alone the fact he got around half the number he got last time. Elizabeth warren saying because im a woman that makes me electable. Trying to flip a criticism on its head. She did perform pretty well, i think. I think what youre left with is a field who Pete Buttigieg did the best across most demographic groups. And one that doesnt appear and thats africanamericans hispanic. The supporting barack obama in l. A. And hillary in 2016. What does it say . What does it say . Tell me. This is not a race between moderates and progressives. Its a race between people who run as establishment and joe biden is a third reiteration and a disruptive candidate. And pete fits a lot of that, but so does Bernie Sanders. If joe biden doesnt do well in New Hampshire, i dont know where he he goes to south carolina, right . If he has the money and heres what i would say. Im going to interpret the message is they want to mainstream candidate. They just want a young one, not an older one. Or they want bernie. It looks like a tie. Bernie got half what he got last time. He has many other competitors. He did way better than bernie in the fact he came from nowhere. Thank you for getting to a studio and spending the hour with us. Grateful to see you, my friend. After the break, erick stall well joins us in the battle ahead. And seeking for an interference after his senate, whatever were calling it, acquittal. , whatevee calling it, acquittal. I have huge money saving news for veterans. Mortgage rates just dropped to near 50year lows. One call to newday usa can save you 2,000 every year. And once you refinance, the savings are automatic. Thanks to your va streamline refi benefit, at newday theres no income verification, no appraisal, and no out of pocket costs. Activate your va streamline benefit now. Theres nothing wrong. If somebody calls from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent. I think id want to hear it. Its not an interference. They have information. I think id take it. And by the way, likewise, china should start an investigations into the bidens because what happened in china is just about as bad as what happened with ukraine. If that was donald trump before he was acquitted by the senate for soliciting foreign interference in the upcoming election, imagine what hes planning to do now. The fbi director yesterday told the next guest hes seen ongoing records. Joining our conversation, Erick Swalwell on the intelligence and judiciary committees. I saw some of your back and forth with fbi director wray. What is your assessment of russias efforts to undermine the election in 2020. That they never left. Good afternoon. They are emboldened by what they were able to accomplish in 2016. That they tried to attack us in 2018 and that theyre going to do the same this upcoming election. But they may have others on the Playing Field helping the president. It looks like he has asked china and ukraine to help him as well. So, i believe the fbi will do all they can to stop them and the cia and all our Intelligence Agency patriots. But if the person at the top is not making a priority f hes not putting the whole of government, every resource behind it, they are limited in what they can do and no one can listen to donald trump and the clips he played and believe hes someone serious about keeping foreigners on the sidelines when we go 92 ballot box to vote this november. And hes been given opportunities to take both comments back. Back. Hes never seized any of them. Congressman schiff was on with my colleague, rachel maddow, last night and had this to say about one of the committees on which you serve with him approaching former National Security advisor john boltons counsel. Oh, we dont have it. What he said was to rachel was i can tell you after the senate voted not to hear witnesses, after they voted to be the first impeachment trial in history without witnesses, we did approach john boltons counsel, asked if mr. Bolton would be killing to submit an affidavit under oath describing what he observed regarding the president s misconduct and he refused. Are you still interested in talking to john bolton before his book comes out . Im leave that to chairman schiff. I believe if he has information about other corrupt schemes that the president is involved in that we should hear from him. The reason we should believe thats the case in 2016 the president asked the russians to help him. In 2020 he at least asked the ukrai ukrainians. Whats in the russia room . Whats in the turkey room . Whats in the saudi arabia room . We should know. We have reason to look. If john bolton has information, im sure Speaker Pelosi will authorize us to use subpoena power to pursue that. I have 37 more questions for you. Ill probably get in just one or two. Would you mind sticking around through the break . Yes, of course. Dont go anywhere. Well be right back with congressman Eric Swalwell. Wellh congressman Eric Swalwell. Versus the other guys. Clearly, velveeta melts creamier. Yes. Yes. Yeah sure. Yes yes. Yeah, yeah no problem. Yes. Yes, yes a thousand times yes discover. Accepted at over 95 of places in the u. S. Discover. Including best director. D for 10come on awards, best original screenplay. Theres only one way this war ends. And best picture of the year. Last man standing. Were back. Congressman Eric Swalwell is still with us. Congressman action i dont know if you saw President Trump in the east room today. It was a performance that seemed to foreshadow a lot of intentions. An intention to ramp up the war against the fbi and anyone who deigns to hold him accountable to investigate him. Do you have any sort of new concerns or is there a more open pipeline between people at our countrys National Security agencies than there were before the whistleblower complaint obviously came to one of the committeeis on which you sit or do you worry the result of this is there will be less communication with the congressional oversight committees . I worry that this is a president , a corrupt president emboldened believing that he was acquitted. I look at the news today that also attorney general barr is requiring that he has to sign off on any investigation into any president ial campaign. Of course he should be involved, as any attorney general is, but im afraid that this is going to have a Chilling Effect on hardworking fbi agents who may be provided a tip about something thats going on or prosecutors in local offices who may be worried that their careers could be at risk if attorney general barr is going to continue his pattern of protecting donald trump and acting as his personal lawyer. Thats what i fear right now. The best thing i think we can do is to just overwhelm the ballot boxes and leave no doubt as to what the upcoming outcome is going to be. Congressman Eric Swalwell, thank you for spending some time with us. Were grateful. Well get in our last break and well be right back. In our last well be right back. [ applause ] thank you. Its an honor to tell you that Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. I love you only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Tom perez, the chairman of the dnc who today called for a recanvassing of the Iowa Caucuses is doing an exclusive interview with rachel maddow, of course he is, tonight. My thanks to basil, matt and rick for spending the hour with me. Moech most of all, thanks to you for watching. Mtp daily with chuck todd starts right now. Welcome to thursday. It is meet the press daily. Good evening, i am chuck todd here in washington for a few days. If you thought the situation for democrats out of iowa couldnt get any more chaotic, youd be wrong. After joe biden acknowledged iowa was a gut punch to his campaign, this afternoon the head of the Democratic Party called on them to begin recanvassing the results. A bit of a