Carolina is first in the south primary. Its critical for democratic hopefuls and winning will depend lively on the support from its black community. In just a few moments, Vice President joe biden will be right here taking my questions. But right now i want to bring back my panel for discussion, ja. Jace s Jason Johnson is editor for politics. Com and we also have atima omara. What do you want to hear from joe biden tonight . Hes made statements around segregationists and has been called upon several to apologize. What do you want to hear from him . It doesnt sound like its affected him tonight. It doesnt sound like its affected him in this room, but of course its a lot of his supporters that are here. I would certainly love to hear if he has taken to heart some of the criticisms that were made of him this week. We dont know all the details of the conversation he had with senator booker, but senator booker was kind of general. Yeah. So i want to see if he gets it. I mean, some people say it was a gaffe this week. I dont actually necessarily think it was a gaffe. I think this is part of a Larger Campaign hes always had from the beginning which is a return to normalcy which is really tailored toward an older demographic of predominantly white voters who are thinking of a time when we sort of compromise, we sort of talked about a lot of issues and worked with republicans across the aisle, and thats the sort of era that were not in anymore. Anyone in politics for the last few years will know we cant get anything done with republicans because they dont want to work with us. So he, by bringing up and speaking fondly of segregationists like he did which werent even across aisle, theyre actually thin the Democratic Party, he sounded like he was fantasizing this saying, he never called me boy, he called me son. Of course he didnt because you were white. So some recognition of that is what i would like to hear. What would you like to hear, jason . I would like to hear some effort. I heard a lot of passion from senator booker, warren, harris. What i heard was a guy reading from a speech because hes got a 15 to 20point lead. The core issue ive always had with the biden campaign, not that hes not qualified, thats not the issue. Hes running under this underlying issue of, im a white guy and i can go into a racial room and get things done. There is no indication that works anymore. So outside of im a white guy and i used to work for barack obama, what is your actual vision for america, because the america youre trying to return us to doesnt exist anymore. Thats what i want to see from joe biden. Many people are saying, and im playing devils advocate here, though the devil doesnt need an advocate where i come from, but the many people are saying its about who can beat donald trump. Right. And were not looking for a perfect candidate, were looking for a winning candidate. How do you respond . I always say this is my main theme. There is a difference between being viable, which is win your nomination, and being electable, you can win a general election. You cant beat donald trump if you cant create a coalition within your own party. So people who are voting for someone because they think they can beat donald trump, any of the five or six candidates, is side for mayor pete, can beat joe biden. Atima . I 100 agree with that. None of the candidates here, theyre all human. Theyre not perfect. There are things you could pick out on each one of them that they could posititentially do better. Pretty much under the age of 45. I talk to anybody working in the digital universe, the demographic are 50 and up. He knows those are the folks he wants to talk to specifically, predominantly white, who are much more for giving the africanamerican voter on some things he said were fond at the time of the wing man, of president obama, and voters are interested in structural change, theyre interested in aggressive policies, someone who stands on principle and puts forward plans. That is for him not what hes been doing this entire time. All right. Were going to take a break here. I want to replay part of the speech by i want to play a part of the speech by former Vice President joe biden moments ago. My time is running, im sorry. Hey, thank you, everybody. I never like to cut off cheers but my time is running here. Welcome, South Carolina, to hear from all of us and were happy to be here. The only thing i miss is my buddy fritz hocollins. He was my mentor and im sorry hes not here. You know this is more important than any campaign youve been engaged in. We have a president who embraces white supremacy, embraces dictators. In fact, goes around the world weakening our alliances. And look, our children are watching. Theyre watching. It matters what president s say and do. Barack obama they watched and they emulated. They wanted to be like him. Four more years of donald trump will permanently change the character of this country. We cant let that happen. We have to beat donald trump as the overwhelming parody we have. We have to rebuild the backbone of this nation. Hardworking people, middle class people. Ladies and gentlemen, wall street did not build america. You built america. Average people getting a chance build america. And right now from the bottom coming out of the middle class, made worse by trump tax cuts, the top 1. 1 let alone 1 . Its time we started to reward work over wealth. We need big and bold ideas, and folks, on day one, on day one i will move to eliminate trumps tax cuts as well for the super wealthy and literally cut by close to 400 to 500 billion the tax loopholes built in that have no social redeeming value and put that money to good use. Health care joining me now for his first cable news sitdown interview since announcing his white house bid is former Vice President joe biden. Thank you for being with us tonight. Good to see you, rev. Good to see you. Let me ask you before we get into some of what you said in the speech, the president announced today that hes going to have a twoweek delay on his announcement that he was sending i. C. E. In after hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. Nancy pelosi called him last night and asked him not to do it. Hes going to do a twoweek delay. Whats your reaction . He shouldnt do it at all. You see theyre in the ninth circuit right now arguing that kids who are being detained by i. C. E. Should not even have blankets, toothbrushes and the rest, they can sleep on floors. Theyre actually making that argument today. And not only is that cruel, but imagine what it says to the rest of the world about who we are. Look, we should immediately let the d. R. E. A. M. Ers in, period. We should be moovving in the direction to make sure there is a path for citizenship for those who are whehere. We should change fundamentally the access to in terms of asylum by putting more judges on the border. We should not be getting rid of my 750 billion proposal that we put together bipartisan in the administration that provides money for el salvador, guatemala in order to change the environment while theyre there, improve their education and have a real criminal justice system, et cetera. These are things we should be doing. Look, you come from a state that has a big old statue. It says, send me your and it goes on. Thats who we are. Thats who we are. This is absolutely mindless what hes doing. I heard in your speech, you got into detail about how to deal with the tax code and what it would do in terms of money, which means a lot, particularly in a state like South Carolina, a huge black population, a population that needs jobs, infrastructure development. Why is this so critical to you and will this be a machb thein . Its a gigantic theme. Were the eighth largest black population in america. I know those communities. Theyre getting killed and the environmental stuff, all the bad stuff is happening. They have wooden pipes that are in fact leaking as the headline in the South Carolina paper said today, like tissue paper. Whats going on here . Theyre the ones with the refineries built next to them where the smog is occurring, where all this stuff is dropping. Heres the deal. As we strengthen the Africanamerican Community throughout this country, bwhat e do, we not only make it better for them, we make it better for all of america. For those who are cynical about this, i want to point out billions of dollars in the process. Billions of dollars. Look, rev, we can do this. Im not making these numbers up. Mine are not lets make everything free for everybody all the time. We can send everybody to Community College for free, cutting in half the cost of college by just adding 6 billion to our budget. Of the trillion 600 billion in loopholes, its only 17 billion. You can change it all. We should be making sure that the Corporate Tax is 28 , not what when it was too hyatt 20some. But 28 . Look at all the corporations paying zero federal tax. This is within our wheelhouse. Its really within our wheelhouse. Criminal justice reform. You spoke about Martin Luther king iii and you talked about how you had one position in 94 with the crime bill and you felt differently but you spoke at the time when many black voters were there and you want to see the system work differently now. Tell us about that. The black caucus voted for the majority. The only people against it were republicans because it had 9 billion in there for prevention. It had drug courts which i call for 400 million to divert people from prison. But things have changed. Things have changed. What we should be doing is what barack and i started in our administration. There are 32 Million People in the federal prison system. You have almost 1,800,000 people in federal and state prisons. You have less than 200,000. It doesnt mean 2 million in federal prisons. We should reduce that population. No one should go to jail for a drug offense. They should go to rehabilitation. Thats the smartest thing for them. When people get out of jail, the idea we give them 25 and a bus ticket to go under a bridge but they dont qualify for public housing, they dont qualify for food, they dont qualify for pell grants. Thats crazy. We should be doing the opposite. You know, rev, ive been calling for it and ive been calling for it for a long time, there should be job training in prisons, not training on how to be criminals. There is so much to do and its within our capacity to do it. Thats the interesting thing. I think whats happening now is i think donald trump may have reawake understaned sensibilitis country to say, whoa, maybe we can do this now. Just as our generation was awakened when dr. King and dr. Bobby kennedy were assassinated. These millennials, they get it. And now they want to get engaged. You started the campaign with a video talking about charlottesville and the division in the country, and i watched you close up during the obama years fight, even sometimes internal fights in the staff for samesex marriage and a lot of tough stuff. You and i disagreed in the 90s, and i said, wow, this biden is a real go to the mat kind of fighter. This week you got into it about a statement you made about racists and segregations. Dont you understand some of the hurt feelings that you caused cory booker and you had mayor de blasio and others calling on you to apologize. Many things ive said that i didnt intend mrs. King said to me, you cant say things that hurt people. It hurts when you talk about boy. It means Something Different to us. It does. It hurts when you call a racist like you normalize it. Thats not the biden i got to know, dont you understand that . I do fully understand. Thats not what i said, though. They didnt print the whole deal, you know what i mean . The context of this was totally different. And by the way, the fact of the matter is i ran against all those folks. I got on the Judiciary Committee to defeat the man ahead of the committee. Im the guy who extended the Voting Rights act 25 years, not five. We finally got to the point when i was a Senior Member on the Judiciary Committee to get 98 votes to accident tend the Voting Rights act. Let me tell you something, you got to deal with whats in front of you. Whats in front of you are a bunch of racists and we had to defeat them. I said in that statement that the fact of the matter is, the meanest man in the world ive ever dealt with in the United States senate was a guy from georgia named Herman Talmage and i included jim eastland. I do understand the consequence of the word boy. But it wasnt said in any of that context at all. But you understand, they would never call me son. No, but they call Teddy Kennedy boy. The reason they call me senator i mean, son because he said im not even qualified to be in the senate. Im not old enough. Im a kid. To those that are listening, and those that have respected you or that were hurt by that, what do you say to them . Ive heard your justification and youre explaining it, but youre saying to them you understand the feeling. I do understand the feeling. Look, as you know, rev, you know about me in delaware. I came up in that community. I came up in the black church. I came up because thats where we sit down to organize to go out and march. I was the only white employee on the east side of wilmington, delaware in terms of being a lifeguard and a park director. Because i chose to be there and i learned more there than anywhere of all of those folks that got good jobs were athletes. I was not a bad oot leet but i was the only white employee. The fact of the matter is, i remember sitting in there and a guy named jamie roles is a good athlete. He said, do you have a jerry can, joe . You mean a big 5gallon one . Yeah. What do you need a jerry can for . I cant stop and get a jerry can. I didnt have it anywhere near as tough as any black man or woman i sesrved with, but all te people i think there were a total of 14 africanamericans and me. I was in the middle of a city and i didnt know anybody white. They would ask questions like, whats did like for a, b, c or d . I am fully aware of that. And to the extent that anybody thought that i meant Something Different, that is not what i intended. And it would be wrong for anybody to intend that. Iran, i have to ask you about that before i let you go. The whole back and forth with this president sending out one signal i mean, actually having people in the air headed that way, then he pulls back and he tells this story that he heard 150 people would die and he decided not to do it, how do you react to his story, because some people are saying the story is unbelievable, and how do you react to the seemingly no policy. We dont even have a secretary of defense. Look, as you know, i served as chairman of the Foreign Relations committee a long time. I met virtually every major world leader in the last 35 years and met them on their first name basis. Some are absolute tyrants like putin and others that he embraces. But i also sat on the Intelligence Committee and i also was, as you know, did a major piece of intelligence operations for president of the United States when i was there. If, in fact, the military did not brief him and vet him on what was happening, i just dont believe it. The military doesnt do that. They sit down and say, mr. President , do you want us to do a . Heres what we think will happen. This is the consequence. Your decision, mr. President , we recommend or not. But the idea that they would say to him when he said, go ahead and bomb and take out whatever they were going to take out and not tell him what the consequences would be, not possible. Simply not possible. The military does not function that way whether or not there is a secretary of defense. Wow. All right. I really mean it. Not a joke, rev. Not possible. Thank you for coming by. Thank you for this first sitdown interview on cable tv news. You and i can always talk blunt and frank, and you always make me listen to you. Ive always listened to you. You know that, man. Youve done a lot more than ive done for the civil movement. We owe you, pal. Vice president joe biden. [ cheers and applause ] well have much more well have much more when politics nation continues right after the break. Well be right back. Well be right back. Applebees new loaded chicken fajitas. Now only 10. 99. mom nooooo. son nooooo. avo quick, the quicker picker upper bounty picks up messes quicker and is 2x more absorbent. Bounty, the quicker picker upper. Play it cool and escape heartburn fast with new tums chewy bites cooling sensation. Tum tum tum tums with new tums chewy bites cooling sensation. At panera, our salads with peakseason berries. Creamy avocado. And a dressing fit for a goddess. Come taste what a salad should be. And order online for delivery right to you. Panera. Food as it should be. 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Because were not going back be part of this fight. This is our chance in 2020. Our chance to dream big, to fight hard, and to win i am sick of the word values being talked about like it only belongs on one side of the aisle. Values like freedom and security and democracy are not conservative values, they are american values. And this is the year we break the republican monopoly on talking about freedom. Welcome back to politics nation. We are continuing our coverage from columbia, South Carolina in the States Democratic Party convention. Joining me now is john hyneman, analyst for msnbc, and back with me, Jason Johnson, politics editor and amita omara, democratic strategist. What did you think of bidens interview . He dealt with iran, he dealt with the i. C. E. Situation, and i tried to explain to him how hurt some of us that even had worked with him and liked him was on his oh boy comment. The one conclusion that can be reached at the end of this week in which there was a lot of controversy around this topic and it was a forefront here in South Carolina. A lot of discussion about it in the halls, a lot of people talking about it. Joe biden is not apologizing and you gave him another opportunity. Specifically, i think a lot of people i even referred to mrs. King apprising me. I think a lot of people, as this thing has played out over some days, a lot of people have tried to break up the controversy into different pieces. The part that i think now lingers is the part that you focused on, rev, which is the part about this invocation of son and boy and what was missed by that. The thing that cory booker tried to make a teachable moment in the course of the week. My impression of the way he talked about it in this way, he does not see it with a lot of clarity, i dont think, and he certainly is taking the posture hes not going to apologize tore my pa for any part of it. The segregation comment was taken out of context and i thought the answer was not very clear or clean. He made a reference to kennedy and to how kennedy was called boy thats why i said they wouldnt call me son. I didnt understand it, so i thought you gave him a chance to very cleanly say that he had misspoken or that he had to apologize at least for having hurt feelings to people and caused people Emotional Distress over that. He did not do that this far into this controversy, i thought he would have been ready for that question and to put it to bed in a clean way, and i dont think he did. Jason, i even came back and said, what would you say to people who were offended as i was. I think, again and would really, i think, were dealing with politically here is we dont want to feel like we already have a president that never admits any wrong. Yes. I even said, ive said things i shouldnt have said. Mrs. Corretta scott king said, you cant talk like that. Im giving you every opportunity to be the biden i thought you were when we worked with mr. Obama and he chose to answer the way he answered. Rev, this is the key thing, because you know Vice President biden, youve worked with him, so it hurts you because you also worked with him and know what hes like on the inside. I dont know the guy. So were not hurt, were annoyed, and were getting an impression insulted. Were getting the impression this is a guy who wouldnt apologize about the crime bill. Were getting a guy who doesnt see himself racially offensive by a lot of people which makes us wonder about what kind of policies he would engage in. This looks like a guy who is stuck in their ways and cant say theyre sorry, cant recognize that their implications have policy indications that worry voters. This is about some basic stuff about can you negotiate as a politician, and he is making people question that even though he served with obama for eight years. I would just say very simply i think the theme is here regardless of intent, its the impact, right . And hes missing that point. Your intention may not have been to hurt someones feelings, but when you hurt someones feelings, then apologize, then acknowledge, okay, i could do better. And he is stuck in sort of this state where they kind of talk a little bit about, like, the white fragility perspective, which is, well, i dont understand why everybody is upset. That wasnt my intent, that wasnt my intent. Just listen to what people are saying about what has actually happened this week. You talked about almost ro manhatt manticizing a time when he worked with them. But this is an antisegregation this was about antibussing. He was against bussing as well. On this controversy, which i think weve had a previous discussion with biden where this notion that there is a big cleavage in the Democratic Party with people who say trump is the problem. When trump goes away, we can work with republicans versus people who say trump isnt the problem, hes the decision. To hear biden say, inpenndepend of other things we talked about, where people were civil and today you cant get anything done, and the question people have asked all week long is these are the good old days when things were civil. For whom . Maybe the good old days for some people, certainly white people, but i dont know what africanamerican will look back on those days and say, thats when things were civil and things got done to my benefit, they were not. I think there are a number of problems that have to do with temperamental questions, do you acknowledge when you make a mistake or do you dig in like trump does . Are there policy issues that are on the table . Were now going to have, i think, a thorough discussion on joe bidens legacy on crime and criminal justice and on the crime bill. On the disparity between crack and powder cocaine. On the death penalty, because i believe hes the only democrat who today i believe his position is hes for the death penalty. He was adamant about prodeath penalty as senator for some time. So well have that discussion and well have this other discussion about can you work with republicans at all in the Republican Party currently constituted and what is your vision for how that happens . Those are all big discussions. But as far as the mistakes hes making, like Mitch Mcconnell, if he becomes the president tomorrow, Mitch Mcconnell says, im not going to give you support, either. So joe biden tries to build a coalition within the Democratic Party. Hes got eight to ten mornths, but youve got to be able to show that you can push policy in some decorative ways, because his fantasy that he can work with these guys, that theyll all sit in a room in 2020, like hey, guys, lets get it done, thats not going to happen. For me one of the things that has been continuously frustrating is he always talks about compromise, compromise, compromise. Its like somehow he got stuck in the 90s and his brain hasnt moved guard in that time frame. Nothing has been done, to your point, since democrats took over the u. S. Senate. A lot of times we talk about compromise, it was compromise on abortion, we passed the Hyde Amendment because, all right, we cant stop, like, rich women from having abortions so well stop poor women which is essentially women of color. He was in the senate when hyde made the case. Thats why he wanted the Hyde Amendment passed. These are things he knows, right . So its frustrating to hear someone who compromises on lbgt rights, compromises on millennial americans. Now we have geneseers who are a large block. You are all individuals who thought all this stuff, so we can sit in the generation now and say, you know what . We dont have to put up with it anymore. There are certain things i find puzzling about it, because joe biden was Barack ObamasVice President , and this is not ancient history like back in the old days. In the eight years in which joe biden was in the white houseworking alongsihousework ing house, working alongside barack obama, he took a lot of shots. Thats right, he took a lot of shots. And barack obama said it could have been me. He was not hedging on that which is a whole distance away from saying that talmadge and them were civility. Civility does not mean humanitarian, civility does not mean justice, it just means people are not yelling at each other. Joe biden has to understand that the credibility he grew with barack obama was temporary. He cant put on an obama mask for the next eight months and hope he can put that coalition together with the same amount of passion. He has to build his own name, just like Hillary Clinton had to build her own name, and when she failed to do that, she also lost. What are the politics of this . Can this significantly arm him with black voters or voters in engine, or is this something he can get past . I think this instance is something he will move past, and youll start to see when we focus on some of the problems mayor pete is having in south bend right now, also of a racial cast. For those who dont know, a white officer killed a black eric logan. Eric logan in south bend where mayor pete is the mayor. And hes been in south bend trying to deal with it and not doing a particularly good job of the there is video showing lots of resistance of his leadership including his family. I spoke to them and the issue there was the officer had on a body camera which was turned off. Which is part of bha what we ar during the obama administration. Why have body cameras if they can turn them off . To come back to your question, i think this particular incident is not going to cause a mass ive hemorrhagin of support for him or anyone else, but i do believe its opening up a conversation over the issues in the coming months. Youre going to have discussions around crime, discussions around a lot of other policies where bidens temperament and some of his policies are out of step with a lot of what the activists and the core of the Democratic Base is. I would say if i just went around this room, i would say typical to today, joe biden is going to have intensive speeches. You is a kamala harris, amy klobuchar, cory booker turn in strong speeches today. Joe biden was across the street at a planned parenthood event where the women were not particularly impressed. I think joe bidens strong arm was a firewall. If you look at the action here in the last 24 hours, i think that firewall will be under assault by a lot of candidates who think, we can go head to head with joe biden here. What joe biden has done this week, its like a Basketball Team that keeps the other team hanging around in the fourth quart quarter. What has he done for cory booker this week . Cory booker was nowhere a week ago. Now cory booker is speaking of power. This is the kind of thing that joe biden does by making these unforced errors. Hes letting other people into the game when he should be shutting people out so hes only wearing about five or six people. I think this is his strategy. I think hes not interested in having conversations in the Democratic Party base because hes running a Campaign Like hes already the democratic candidate. He wants to talk toie electrl to electricity electorates over 50. Hang on, well be back after the break to columbia, South Carolina. After the break to columbia, South Carolina for 329 month for 36 months. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. With a lot of other young couples. Then we noticed something. Strange. Oh, could you, uh, make me a burger . 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What are you saying specifically in terms of policies that would say to the black community and to the Broader Community that would bring us together in terms of equality, not just playing the one audience against another. We arent playing. When we talk about raising the minimum wage to at least 15 an hour, youre talking to all lowincome workers in america, predominantly africanamerican and latino. When we talk about making public colleges and universities free and substantially reducing student debt, americans, primarily minorities. When we talk about health care, the Minority Community is being hurt by health care. We want to address those issues, but were also going to make sure we have more black doctors, more black nurses, more black social workers because people feel that inequity. When i asked you about socialism, you said there was nothing wrong with socialism. Is that what distinguishes you . Let me just say this. Every other major country on earth guarantees health care to all people as a human right. I live 15 miles away from canada. Not exactly what you would call a socialist country. You can go to any doctor you want, any hospital you want. They end up spending 15 less than we do. The prescription drugs cost is much, much lower. So the time is long overdue for us to have the courage to take on the pharmaceutical industry that rips us off every day, to take on the Insurance Companies and do what every other company does, make health care a right, run it on a nonprofit basis. Medicare right now is a good program but lets expand it to all americans. But do you feel republicans will try to use the socialism tag that if youre the nominee, do you think they will try to use that for a lot of centrist voters . Of course they will. Back with me, john hydeman, Jason Johnson and atima omara. When we talk about these issues, they call it the asylum generation ahead of me, which Jesse Jackson and that crowd was the generation, the x generation and the millennials all had this fight. Socialism or capitalism, how we provide, how we dont, who is accommodating, who is not. And it always is amazing to me that every generation acts like it just started with their generation. These debates are nothing new. Having said that, having as many as 24 people running now of different generations, you now are seeing it all displayed on one stage. I think some people are thinking its generational when it happens all the time, but this is the first time were seeing such a wide range of people from different generations, genders and races on the same stage running. 24 people. When i ran in 04, there was maybe eight people running. I think one of the interesting things now is in the last 10 years, millennials have come of age. Everybody still refers to us like im in my 20s. Im in my mid to late 30s and you have other generations as well. We are thinking about politics, were thinking of running for office. Especially when you look at who is in the public office, you think, oh, i might not be taken seriously. My husband is a genxer. He says, you know what, theyre trying to get their moment in the sun. Republicans have done better on that. So i think this generation more so than anything, having formerly been with the democrats of america, look at a different way of approaching things because the deal has set up in the last 30 years politically just havent panned out for us. We came out of one of the biggest recessions, the wait was stagnating. We talked to individuals who said, oh, yeah, when i got out of college i had this 10,000 loan debt and i was able to pay it off. Now were talking six figures of student loans. It used to be easy to buy a quarter and now its going up a couple million. So were looking at a promise that allows us to be able to enjoy the things that previous generations have. What im saying, though, is we had a bad deal, and we had to fight for it, which i think is healthy. I think we cant be satisfied, john. Sure. There are a lot of debates and there have been for a long time. What is fascinating is in the history of postwar or postworld war ii america, we have not had an active debate about socialism and what it means and whether its appropriate to really, for 50 years. The last time, generally, you had a really aggressive public debate over the possibility of socialism, where democratic socialism is going back to preworld war ii. I think it does speak to the depth of the eco anxiety, even in the face of a trump economy which on the surface seems to be doing pretty well that, this 30 years of economic stagnation of flat living standards, of wages not going up, of globalization, of the technology revolution, of the fear of automation, of the fact that so many families now over the course, because of 30 years of stagnation, are feeling as though some kind of fundamental change is required to combat the largescale changes at the tectonic level of the economy. Suddenly people are open to these old ideas that have become new again, and whats fat fascinating about it is joe biden and the place you find the most supporters is among young dem graographic voters. He gets the young voters and im like 12 or 13 years older. Thank you. Well have more after the break. This is politics nation from South Carolina. Nation from South Carolina applebees new loaded chicken fajitas. Now only 10. 99. 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Sure. That he can say yeah, i can make mistakes, unlike the sitting president , and i did everything back to the admonition to say, yes, you can make a mistake. We all have in public life. Your reaction . The knock on joe biden is he is an old dog. The opportunity to prove that you can learn new tricks if youre his campaign, you can see this this as an opportunity to come out and say even i, whove been doing this, you could double down on his record and saying ive been doing this for 40 years and been a champion of civil rights could still have more to learn and they didnt go this path. They have said they dont think this is fatal, they dont think joe biden is a racist, they dont think he means any harm by , this bthis work this, but he ought to apology. The boy thing, the boy thing the senator from new jersey to apologize, that was offensive to me. And im saying that as somebody that worked with him and learned to respect him. We argued in the 90s on the krie crime bill. Weve come together and thats what i was trying to say. You gave him every opportunity in a tough interview to make this right, to address the issue and a lot of the complaints, concerns that a lot of people have raised. He didnt do it. I was reminded of the interview he did as a candidate just after announcing where he was on the view and the hosts gave him every opportunity to address that and apologize, but he wouldnt do it. Vice president is proud of his record and is not willing to go there. One of the things cory booker hit on this week that potentially touches a nerve with democrats in what is otherwise a strong position, hes like donald trump, he wont apologize. Thats Vice President needs to deal with going forward. His position on iran, did you feel he made news there, a new wave in terms of his positions on things . I think he has unique credibility in talk about these issues because hes been the guy in the room. No doubt about that. His position on iran isnt substantively different in any major way, but when he criticizes the president of the United States for not listening to advice or misinterpreting it, he has a credibility that other candidates dont because hes sat in the room. When he says its impossible for the president to not have been told the lives that were at risk and he says thats just impossible. The other candidates could criticize him on this. Joe biden has sat in the situation room with the president of the United States. He understands what a military briefing about this kind of operation would look like, what all the contingencies are. I know the pentagon told him this and the president is lying what he told chuck todd the other day. What do you make of this twoweek delay. Now nancy pelosi can call donald trump and he decides hes going to give a delay to see if republicans and democrats can Work Together . I mean, that seems like an odd kind of position for donald trump to take. 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Hi, im richard lui live in new york city. Thanks for being with us. Well have live coverage of the South Carolina democratic convention, the convention wrapping up a short time ago with Vice President joe biden the frontrunner in the race addressing the crowd. And then right after that biden sat down with reverend al sharpton, the first interview of his candidacy so far. You started the campaign with a video talking about charlottesville and the division in the country. I watched you close up during the obama years fight even sometimes internal fights in the staff for samesex marriage and a lot of tough stuff. You and i disagreed in the 90s and i said, wow, this biden is a real go to the mat kind of fighter. And this week you got into it about a statement you made about races and segregationists. Dont you understand some of the hurt feelings there . Sure i do. You cal