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When i looked at the email, i just couldnt even believe it. But after so many tears, so many years, and so many turns in her story i was like whoa. There are still more stunning twists to be revealed. Its amazing. Its the best gift ever. Lost and found. Hello. Welcome to dateline extra. A young girl was abducted at the age of four and raised by her kidnapper. For the next four decades she searched for her family, her name, and herself. Her story has an extraordinary ending and as it turns out, that ending was just the beginning. Here is keith morrison. Our story begins with this mother of a teenage daughter. A woman who had spent most of her life trying to figure out was absent mostly. Long stretches away, punk wa. We would go see him because he was coming in from the navy, and so it was an exciting moment, and she would get us all dressed up, and it was the anticipation of going to the shipyard and having a lot of attention. I think as a child. The memories are how she survived it all, all the trouble. Holding my moms hand. Having fun with my mom. Being in the moment of joy. I dont have bad memories. Yes, those. The bad memories. Like the day everything good went away. It was 1973. Though she and her happy little childhood bubble had no idea what year it was. She knows she was not yet five, that it was autumn, that someone came to the door with a plan. I remember a woman coming over and knocking on the door. Her name was shirley. She was a friend of her mothers she said. She said renee, a little girl with her was six. This is renee now. That room is stuck in her memory too. Her name was gorgeous. A nice size room for a little kid. She had a canopy bed. She had tons of dresses. Toys galore. And you had none of that . No. I was like wow, this is nice. An alien world to renee. The most wonderful thing shed seen. While The Little Girls played in the living room, shirley was talking and then she called renee. When it was time to leave, i didnt want to go. I said can we stay longer . No, but your new friend is coming with us. Im like okay. So she came and thats how everything started. So it did. It was to be an overnight, the girls were told, a little fun. Theyd stay with shirley in her age. When Lost And Found continues. What i gots full stock welcome back to date line extra. A fouryearold girl is kidnapped from her home, taken from the only life she knew by a woman who told her shed be going on a sleepover with a play mate for one night. That one night turned into a terrifying odyssey that wouldnt end for many, many nights to come. Here again is keith morrison. The story youll hear now lives in the vivid so real you could touch them memories of two frightened girls. It began in a Down Market Motel whose l. A. Neighborhood was not child friendly. It was to be a one night sleep over with a new friend renee. Instead the adult who brought her here, a woman named shirley didnt take her home again. Instead she packed belongings, put the girls in her car and hit the road. Where did they go . Did she threaten that . Yeah. Many times wed do something wrong and she would say you stop doing that or im going to send you off to jerrys life. So they lived a life of packing up and fleeing state to State Searching for the cheapest place to stay and skip out of. Hunger constant. Medical care nonexistent. When money ran out, as it often did, shirley drove to the nearest truck stop. The girls would bed down in the car and watch Shirley Sneak off to do, well, they didnt know. And alone and frightened, they held onto each other and watched the shadows of strange men pass by their car. Until the night when terrified and unable to sleep, renee followed shirley. Shes taking a long time. And im getting scared because im thinking she left or shes died or something. So i go into where they work on the cars, and shes on the side over here, and hes on top of her. And i didnt know what was going on. I got scared, and then she seen me, and she yelled at me and said get out of here. Go. At least then they had a bit of money. But always pepper was afraid. Afraid to ask for help. Afraid to ask why shed been taken. Afraid of shirleys threats. She would scare us to believe that we were in a better place. She was doing something good for us. Did you ever understand why she wouldnt take you back home . Her personality was very up and down. Very angry and so if i asked questions, she would say stuff like if you want to find your mom, shes on The Streets Shooting Heroin and a prostitute. Tirades were frequent, neglect part of life. Verbal and physical abuse a regular occurrence. She would whip us with a belt, slap us, verbally cuss at us. Verbally abuse us. And threaten to send you away . Right. I just took the belt. Because it just if you take it, this is hard to explain, but if you just take it, it she gets out of the rage faster, so to speak. They went to school when they could. Made very few friends and lost the ones they did make. Struggled to be ordinary kids and then normal teenagers. All i wanted to be is loved. Thats it. And i never got any kind of love that i wanted. Instead, they were trapped, truck stop no mads in the care of a woman it seemed she had kidnapped both of them. They drifted one dump to another across any number of state lines for years. And then sometime in the early 80s, they settled down here. Shirley pulled up to this motel in Los Angeles County and took a job at the Cleaning Woman in exchange for a free room. And if it wasnt much, at least it gave them some measure of stability, and they signed up at a local school. Junior high for pepper, high school for renee. Much to shirleys disapproval. Shirley would tell us girls dont go to school. They get married. Why do you want to go to school . I didnt like being late to school. I didnt like being absent all the time. So they got themselves up every morning and went to school and kept going. And then pepper was 12, eight of those years with shirley when she saw her chance to escape and seized it. She made herself useful as a babysitter for the couple next time in room 109. And when the family moved out of the motel, pepper went with them. But it didnt last long. Peppers new household caught in its own spiral of alcoholism and dysfunction was as troubled and messy as her own life was. She swallowed her pride and moved back to room 110 colonial motel, even though by then, says pepper, shirley didnt seem to care much what she did. I remember when i was trying to plot my escape before it went into action, i was in my mind going, im going to show her. Shell care. I remember thinking that. But she didnt care. She didnt come to get me. Still, having tasted freedom once, pepper was determined to get away from her kidnapper for good. A second time she took a chance, moved after the family and a second time had to return. And then finally by the time she turned 16, pepper left for good. But that meant she left renee behind too. Renee who so needed pepper and was alone now with shirley. She was my best friend growing up. That was my best friend. You know . We did everything together. We fight like sisters. We did everything together. Renee was feeling abandoned. I told her dont go. Stay here. I need you. Youre my sister. So she went. She did her thing, and i was upset, and i was sad. By 1986 and on her own now, pepper had given hope shed ever find her real parents, but she had an immediate problem, the trouble that comes with having no real name, no i. D. , no Birth Certificate. She was under rhonda smith at shirleys urging at school. She had no way to prove her legal name, and without some cooperation from shirley, her search for such documents seemed hopeless. And then how did you find out she was sick . She turned completely yellow when they diagnosed her with pancreatic cancer. With shirley on her death bed, shirley tried to act like a dutiful daughter. Tried to make her comfortable, visited her regularly, but there was another important reason to see her, maybe the most important reason. One last opportunity to find out who she was. As she was dying, did you try to find maybe shed make a Death Bed Confession and say i did take you, and here are your parents names and how to find them. Any of that happen . Did you ask . Oh, yeah, and shirley had a response for the girl she renamed pepper. The question was, what could she do with that answer . Coming up, if jesus Christ Duggar could be found at 18 years, certainly there must be hope for pepper. It triggered a lot of my own personal memories and how come i didnt get found . And i was still missing . But would she be missing much longer . When Lost And Found continues. I saw the change in rich when we moved into the new house. But having his parents over was enlightening. You dont like my lasagna . No, its good. Hmm. Oh. Huh. [ both laugh ] here, blow. Blow on it. You see it, right . Is there a draft in here . Im telling you, its so easy to get Home Insurance on progressive. Com. Progressive cant save you from becoming your parents. But we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. Because the things you love the most can stink. And try Febreze Small Spaces to clean away odors for up to 30 days. Breathe happy with febreze. one is the only number that youll ever need staying ahead isnt about waiting for a chance. Because one is. Its about the one bold choice you make that moves you forward. That you ever need The One And Only Cadillac Escalade. Come in for our seasons best offers and drive out with the perfect 2017 Cadillac Escalade for you. Get this low mileage lease from around 899 per month. any 16yearold wants to be free. I want to go work and be free from all this. I have a plan. I asked her for, i need my Birth Certifica certificate. And she told me they changed the laws. You cant get your Drivers License until youre 18 years old. Yeah. And im supposed to believe this. As i sit in a classroom where i have friend getting permits. Of course. She took the lies with her. She was not going to tell. What about the Birth Certificate . Couldnt get anything out of her. The lies stayed with her. Shirley knew the answers, of course. Knew the whole bizarre story, but she looked pepper in the eye through her obvious pain, and told her nothing. She left the lies behind and took the truth to her grave on july 29th, 1986, at the age of 63. She was buried here, this cemetery in an unmarked grave. Renee now 19, got on with life, moved in with her boyfriend. Soon pepper showed up at their apartment homeless and nowhere else to turn to. And everywhere pepper went from then on, shirleys poison gift followed because of that woman and what she did, pepper was officially at least a nonperson. So it took a little while for determination to come back. She was in her mid 20s, a single mother by then. If only she could find her Birth Certificate, that could lead her to her parents. Anyway, she needed documents to live. She needed a passport. So she contacted state offices. Their departments of vital records with perhaps predictable results. Tell me what it feels like when you know you have to go to an official and ask for something that you really, really, really need, and you kind of know you think how its going to go . I get emotional usually. I usually cry. It was really i would it just brings me to a sad place. Youd be sitting across the desk from somebody trying . Absolutely. And they couldnt do anything for you . No. You need this document. This is what you need to provide. Sorry. I have no way to get this document because i dont know my parents name. I dont know my real name. Pepper. And once again, pepper felt perhaps understandably like giving up. But by then she was living with her daughter in South Lake Tahoe working as a waitress and what do you know, Hometown Girl Jay See Duagaard was found. The community was just buzzing all over the place with joy. And i was happy for her. But it triggered a lot of my own personal memories and how come i didnt get found . And i felt so missing. So once again, charged up with determination, she launched a fresh attempt. Turns out theres such a thing as adult adoption. Find someone to adopt her and even if she couldnt find her parents, at least she could get an official identity and Birth Certificate and a passport. A friend offered to adopt her. They applied and waited and something amazing happened. Someone in that great california bureaucracy did research. Talked to pepper, asked her questions, hauled out records not readily available online. All she could offer for the names bob and bobbie and the date of birth, and somehow buried among the files in the hundreds of millions, a match, and there it was, came in the mail after all these years, a copy of her actual Birth Certificate. The key to unlock her past, though she had no idea then looking at that Birth Certificate that the appropriate question should have been this. Was this her real past . Coming up. A Journey Ending . I was like whoa. Or was it just beginning . When Lost And Found continues. When heartburn hits, fight back fast with tums smoothies. It starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. And neutralizes stomach acid at the source. Tum tum tum tum smoothies only from tums extra. Im gregg melvin. The woman known as Pepper Finally has a piece of paper in her hand. The paper shes waited for most of her life to find. Her Birth Certificate, but where would that piece of paper lead . Here again is keith morrison. A 37 years shed been searching for her parents, her life, her name. Just as shed given up ever finding the answer, here it was. A copy of her Birth Certificate with her real name in black and white. Rhonda patricia christy, and there were the names of her parents, too, robert and barbara christy. This is it. I was like whoa. They were my parents. That bobbie and bob. They were my parents. With their names and Social Security numbers, rhonda and her friends tracked down a phone number in ohio. She dialled the number. A man answered. It was june 5th, 2010. I said are you robert t christy. He said yes. I said are you married to a Barbara Blackwelder or were you . He said yes. And then i said, i think im Rhonda Christy or do you know rhonda patricia christy. And then there was a long pause. This is who she was talking to. His name is bob christy. I almost dropped the phone. She knew id hesitated, and she said this is your daughter, rhonda. And there was something that clicked in my mind that i the voice rang a bell. And he called to my mom, barbara, to pick up the phone. He said rhondas on the phone. She picked up the phone and the first words out of her mouth was shirley stole you. The most emotions i think ive ever had in my entire life, ever. The memories were true, or so it seemed. She got on a plane for ohio. They were all, of course, 37 years older, and in a way, strangers now. But here they were, all the images shed clung to in fantasy, dreamed about for those 37 long years. And there you are in your bath. All those rolls, too. You was a chubby little baby. And happy. And look at you. Just learning to walk. And smiling the whole way. You had a good life, honey. I know. So it was happy and sad. Comforting. But also deeply strange because sitting on this touch, pepper heard some stunning revelations. Such as these were not her birth parents. She had been adopted. And the arrangement was mysterious. And now it was barbaras turn to tell a story. Shirley had been her friend, she said, had told her about a Woman Working in the sex trade who didnt want her babies, and one day she showed up with a baby she called rhonda patricia smith. Barbara could see it was a little iffy, but she wanted that baby so badly, and so she said she ignored the red flags. Nope. Didnt care. Didnt really care. She was going to see to it, she said, that rhonda was loved and cared for by the best parents she could ever possibly have. Bob and barbara legally adopted their Little Princess four years later in the fall of 1973. And it was shortly after that, said barbara, when shirley and renee showed up at her door. And the kids played together, and we visited together, and she asked if rhonda could come spend the night with renee, and took me a while to get an answer to that. I really had to think about that hard. Im one of these tender hearted people, and i said i want her to know her sister. Sister . Why, yes, barbara told rhonda she and renee were half sisters, daughters of the name mother, the woman who worked the streets. Barbara said by then She Didnt Trust Shirley with rhonda, but i want rhonda to know her sister. I wanted her to have family and stuff, and i asked bob, and he said no, she couldnt at first, and then he relented, let her go. And next morning we went to get her, and they were gone. And they didnt come back. Bob and barbara called the police right away, of course. But heres what they said they were told. The police could do nothing for them since theyd allowed rhonda to leave with shirley. They were on their own, so desperate, they said, they started their own search. Discovered shirley had taken the girl to a relatives house several states away. When they got there, it was too late. All that remained sitting on the porch were the Little Red Shoes she wore on the day she was kidnapped. It was hopeless. They returned to their childless home. Nothing left but the photographs of The Little Girl who stopped growing up for them at four and now out of the blue, that phone call. And here she was. Im good. It is definitely a gift. We got a daughter and we got a granddaughter. Just on time, it turns out. Barbara had terminal cancer. She would die a year later. Still, back then, they celebrated. Renee joined them for rhondas birthday and the christys 38th wedding anniversary, an amazing reunion. Of course, dateline was happy to broadcast it all around the country on march 25th, 2011, no idea that something quite unbelievable would happen. Because one of the people who tuned in that night was a woman named jerry, and oh, what a story she had to tell. Coming up, it was a story two sisters had waited a very long time to hear. 99. 99 probability. Thats confirmed. When Lost And Found continues. What i gots full stock of thoughts and dreams that scatter you pull them all together and how, i cant explain oh yeah, well well Well Youuuu You Make My Dreams Come True well, well, well youuuu topped steak twisted potatoes at applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Welcome back to dateline extra. Im gregg melvin. Returning to our story now, here again, keith morrison. When we first told you the story about pepper smith and her lifelong journey to find her family, her identity, it was a friday night in march, 2011. And the following Monday Morning my office received a call, and then i received an email. Attorney Gloria Alreld found herself looking at a remarkable message. There it was, the ping of a message on her blackberry. When i looked at the email, i just couldnt even believe it. I looked at it about three times. Am i really seeing this . It was a woman claiming to be the buy logical mother of both pepper and renee. Claiming to be the woman who according to shirley and barra, was a child abandoning prostitute, probably dead. Could this woman really be their mother . Hardly a claim she could take on simple faith. I asked her to come in to see me the very next day, which she was very anxious and happy to do. I asked her to bring whatever evidence she had. And in that meeting the woman presented her evidence. She brought some photos that she had of pepper and renee when they were very little. She said she was a waitress when the girls were little, but a photo of that. And a picture of shirley and also a photo of a man she said was the girls father. Long since dead. She said her name was jerry. I asked her immediately, jerry, would you be willing to do a dna test . She said ill take the dna test, but these are my children. I know it. She put the dna test on the fast track and waited. Within a week called pepper and renee to her office to hear in person the results of the test. 99. 99 probability. Thats it. Yes. Test confirmed. I cant believe this is actually happening. I really cant right now. How soon could they meet jerry and whats she like . How did she know shirley . We arranged a reunion for the next day. Jerry arrived first and told us how she saw her long lost girls on our program. I saw the picture of shirley and went crazy. I was hysterical, because i knew thats who she was. And then when i saw the girls, i knew they were mine. After all those years . 27 years. There they are. What did that feel like . It felt great. I had hoped i could find my children before i died because im getting old and it was like a miracle. Jerrys story . Shirley to took the girls was her friend turned roommate, turned babysitter. She said ill babysit for you. You know, ill take care of her while you work. I said well, thats great, because i really thought i was blessed. First it was renee she looked after, then renee and pepper, and then two years later their Little Brother Raymond Leonard smith junior. Wait. Brother . It wasnt just the two girls. There was a younger brother, the girls never knew they had. The father wasnt around very much. Jerry supported them all with what she could make as a waitress, and shirley made a change, a positive one, it seemed financially. She got this job supposedly at the Motel Managing which was further more, i worked, so i arranged with her to watch the kids while i worked. It was a god send, really, since jerry had to be hospitalized for weeks after raymond was born. And then get back to work and find a new home to take the kids to. I come out there on my days off and stay with the kids and spend some time with them. And so then i called her and told her i was coming to get the kids, and the next day i went out there, and gone. Not a sign of them. No kids. No shirley. Frantic, she went to the police. What did you tell them . Your children had been kidnapped . Yep. They took the report and thats the last i heard. I went down there two or three times. They told me the same thing. They hadnt found anything. Jerry said she didnt know who else to talk to. She looked on her own and found year after year nothing. Had no idea she said that shirley had left pepper with barbara. That barbara persuaded a court that pepper had been abab donned and thus could be adopted or that shirley stole her back again. And then there they were, telling their story on dateline, telling how shirley and barbara had described her. Yes, i heard what they said about me. I was not a streetwalker. I was a waitress all my life. They also said you didnt really want your children. You were happy to abandon them . I never abandoned my children, never. Ever. I would never, ever do that. And she wasnt a drug addict either, she said. She hasnt had a smooth or easy life, and for much of it shes missed her children and blamed herself for what happened. Trusting shirley . Yes. And for not having those kids under your wing all the time . Thats right. Tell me about that . Because to me i feel like it was my fault because i put them in the hands of this monster. Were in a hotel room in los angeles. Jerry is eager, anxious, terrified. Visibly shaking. And then they come around the corner. Their first meeting of 27 years. Its been a lifetime weve missed. Oh, my god. I feel like im dreaming still. I cant get it yet. I cant either. I just want to hug. Can i just stare at you for a minute. Yes, you can do anything. I dont have a memory. Im sad because i was there with you guys. Youre my mom. Yes, youre my babies. Youre my babies. Its been 37 years. Its sad. And just about here as they cling and cry, something rather magical happens. The Center Of Gravity shifts. What happened . What happened . Its renee who wants the answers now. I want to know what happened. You will know. You will know. I promise you. You were illegally adopted. Me . But what happened to me . She was adopted but what happened to me . I thought i would never find you ever. I thought i would never find you either. I searched and i searched and searched. I had no money for an attorney. I didnt know where to go. When i turned dateline on and saw you girls come on, honey. [ sobbing ] its okay. I thought you didnt care about me. No, i loved you, both of you. I could never not love you. I was so mad at you. Im sure you were. I was so mad at you. I didnt know. I thought you gave me away. No. They spend hours together here talking about their pasts, their likes and dislikes, their amazing similarities. We gave them a few weeks to get to know each other, and sat down again with pepper and renee. So there it is. You have your mother. But what now . Will you have a relationship with her . Going to move her in with me. Move into your house . Yes. Yes. Once she gets all her affairs into in order, were going to move her in. Why . Because i want her. My husband wants her too. There. So i want to have a relationship with my mom. Like i was telling you earlier, i want to go shopping. I want to have lunch. I want to go buy stuff. I want to have christmas, thanksgiving, her there with me. And pepper . Well, for one thing, pepper has adopted her real birth name, the one her parents gave her before it was lost in the abductions and adoption. Its ronique. Roniqi smith. I feel very content the way everything has taken place. Finding my mom, the identity, my real identity, my biological father. Seeing a picture of him. All these exciting things going on. But i think its not over yet. I dont feel the journeys quite over yet. Its just starting. This part of it is just starting. So it is. Because of course one of them is still missing. Right. Yes. Our brother raymond is still missing. We know hes out there somewhere. So he is. But not for long. Let out your inner child at the lexus december to remember sales event. Experience amazing at your lexus dealer. The instant it touches your tongue. And neutralizes stomach acid at the source. Tum tum tum tum smoothies only from tums jehri gave us a copy of his Birth Certificate. Hed be just about 40 now. And their chances of finding him seemed sfrankly slim. He called 40yearold ray smiths all over the country. Ray smith in colorado, ray smith in maryland, in new jersey, in kansas. But did he go by the name ray smith . And then, a call back. It was the ray smith from colorado. They had the right name, right age, place of birth, had grown up without knowing any blood relatives. All this ray smith knew was his mothers name. According to his Birth Certificate was jerry. He was starting to sound a lot leek our ray. We asked if hed submit to a dna test. He agreed. And there was no doubt. Wed found him. We brought ray and his fiance to a Los Angeles Hotel and showed him the story of his sisters. In a way his story too. I thought that the story itself was sad. It sounded like they had a rough life. And it was really similar to mine. So it was. And it began the sam way, too, when sheryly took him from jehri. Except ray was turned over to a woman named anna lee brown, who named him jimmy brown. The only name he knew growing up. She had told me that she had adopted me. But i was also shipped around a lot from home to home because she had a lot of Health Problems from what i was told. He was neglected and often abused, bounced around for years, until anna brown shipped him off to a colorado couple when he was 14. And thats when he found his Birth Certificate. Started calling himself ray smith, and began puzzling over the apparently unanswerable questions of his life. Why did ann name me jim brown if my name was really ray . How come i never knew about jehri . Things like that. Then i wondered, you know, was i kidnapped . No answers from anna brown, who died soon after that. And as for life in colorado, by the time he was 16 things were getting a little rough. Maybe because of my past, i wasnt a real easy kid. So i was put into foster care. And then . He graduated from high school. He got a job, moved in with some friends, and started his own rock band. This Youtube Video shows him singing lead. Leave it alone and for all hes wondered about his past, hed come to believe hed go to his grave without ever meeting a blood relative. Until now. Wow. Theyre actually in the same building im in right now. Thats amazing to me. And here they were. Oh, my baby. Hi, mom. Oh. Oh, its been forever. Its great to see you. Meeting family for the first time. You guys kind of look like me. After so many years. So this is my first time meeting my blood. Its great. So great. And this is how peppers desperate search for a warm memory of a lost childhood ended. You look like our dad. Youre great. Far bigger than she imagined. Far better. Good to see you. Oh, its good to see you too. The family that was stolen found. Its amazinamazing. Its the best gift ever. They sat here for hours, shared their photos, got to know each other, and made plans

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