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Donald trumps base in winning the election was dismissed on friday. The departure reveal the once again the turmoil that continues to plague donald trump. After his comments defending white spruupremacists hes faci loud denunciation from his own party. Two business adviser councils were disbanded as members left in protest. With his white house in crisis following a week of severe racial unrest and with his Approval Ratings plunging, hes now a president so isolated that the only allies left, are white nationals and the die hard save the west dot com. He is a trump supporter. James peterson studies at lee high university. Jennifer ruben of the washington post. Ill start with you. Do you understand why so many people have walked away from this president . Well, baear in mind we live n a culture of Political Correctness which is an inflijment on freedom of speech and businessmen dont have so much courage to stand behind the president so its sort of easy to split people off from him. Also, the press has created an illusion that President Trump is someone monster which he isnt. So people are separating themselves from the monster image, but the image isnt real. But dont people have the freedom of speech to denounce the president if that is what they feel . Sure. But they should denounce the president for legitimate reasons no the for invented reasons. The strategy and policy forum and manufacturing counsel which is ceos, business people. The evan gel i cal advisory board. Are you saying these people are lying about the reasons they longer want to be associated with the president . Not that theyre lying but if the press creates President Trump for a monster, then who wants to be associated with the monst monster, but the monster is an illusion. It was artificial. Do you agree with donald trump that theres a moral equivalency between the protests in charlottesville and the people protesting against them . The way i look at it is anyone who opposes the coops tugs bill of rights is an enemy of america so to speak. I dont care what the flavor, what they say they stand for. I believe in the constitution bill of rights. And i think that anybody who violates the constitution bill of rights should not we should not be listening to them. They should be arrested, if they portray violence. I use the constitution bill of rights as my who are you saying violated the constitutions bill of rights and which element of the bill of rights are you saying they violated . Well, i dont think people have the right of pregs but dont have the right to intimidate people. Who are you saying intip dated . I wasnt there, but looking at the internet the Charlottesville Police said there was violent of both sides. I dont think thats what they said. Neonazi came to down and the town didnt want them there. We could see live on tv they beat members of the clergy and killed a woman. There were a lot of mistakes made. Those are those mistakes . Yeah. I think the judge people who dont belief in the constitution bill of rights shouldnt be given a permit to mar march so the judge made a mistake. How do you determine that other than youre saying neonazi shouldnt be allowed to march . Which i think the First Amendment would preclude that view. Neonazi dont believe in equal rights for everybody. Okay. Its basic violation of the constitution bill of rights. They shouldnt have been given a permit. The city council or some people suggested that they keep the statue but change the inscription. Does that have youre say were oat a lot of mistakes made by but not you dont want to criticize the neonazis themselves . I do. Im saying they should never have been given a permit to march because they dont believe in the constitution bill of rights. They lost their right so to speak to march and the judge never should have given them a permit. The major should have stopped the march before it happened. The mayor should have had the pleat separate the two sides which he didnt. The city council, some people suggested they change the inscription of this statue, which they should have. The inscription simply had the birth and lifetime p robert e. Lee. Didnt say anything that he created treason against the United States. So, id say i blame the managers. Im from the Business World. We have an expression, blame the managers. But not the ceo. Lets go to jennifer ruben. Right now Donald Trumps Approval Rating in michigan 36 in michigan, 35 m pennsylvania. 34 in wisconsin do you agree with him that those people who disapprove of donald trump are just wrong headed . What you just said is a shonda, a shame, a disgrace. Mr. Trump is not being m misinterpreted by the media. The reaction was from his own lips from his own words this week. And frankly, i think youre the one who needs a brushup on the constitution. Our constitution does not deny the right to protest and the right to assemble to people who dont like other peoples rights. They have the right to speak too. What the problem is is that they were number 1, violent, number 2, killed a person, number 3, they were shouting racial ep i that thes. You cannot absolutely believe all those ceos, all those people on the arts, members of kong congress, the senate are simply measure rised by the media, that they dont know the real donald trump . Come on. Your response. Well, i think youre half right. The they do know the real donald trump, but if the donald trump becomes if the rael donald trump becomes toxic to the illusory way they dont want to be tied to it because its bad for business. Its not an illusion, sir. We sue it this week from its own lips. I think people like you have an obligation to speak out. This is a man who called mexicans rapists, a man who made racist remarks and den grated a judge. A man who on access hollywood seemed to affirm Sexual Assault on women. Come on. You have an obligation as a citizen. United states to speak out and denounce. This. Frankly hes been enabled by people like you to continue on in his political keicareer. Does donald trump make you proud . Are you proud of him . Well, irate president s in all im just asking a simple question. Yes. Yes. Lets go to james peterson. Is he perfect . Yes. You youve established what you think. James peterson. Your thoughts. I think about his logic itself we should look seriously as what President Trump has done because there may be some questions as to whether or not he has adhered to the tenets of the constitution. Transgendered americans. When you look at his doj, think about his rhetoric around immigration. This is a president who maybe has not adhered to the tenets of the constitution. Obviously a huge investigation going on about whether hes had collusion with foreign governments. There are a lot of questions as to whether or not President Trump has adhered to the United States constitution. Lets be very, very clear. For those folks who provide cover for people who are invested in the confederacy, those folks reject the constitution. They reject equality as one of the basic tenets of america. Those are things that are antithetical to what folks say america is. Trump provided cover for them. The reality is his response to that demonstration last week in charlottesville was monstrous. The reason why hes been treated like a monster is because of the way he responded wa z a monstrosity. I dont think we have to look very deep into this administration to see the conflict. I want to bring you in here. Donald trump has not only been condemned from everyone from the Business World to the rabbi of his daughter and soninlaw also condemned him. Hes also had a lot of chaos. A lot of people leave the white house. This photo that shows all of the sort of cabinet, the advisers and cabinet members early on in the administration. The only person left this there is the vice president. Steve bannon gone, sean spicer, et cetera. And Michael Flynn obviously gone for obvious reasons. Do you think this presidency can recover from both the condemnation and chaos . Joy, donald trump is a terrible human being. He is taking this white house so far into the gutter, so far a into the darkness that even lus i fer wants to fume i gait. This is what donald trump has done. He looked at and watched neonazis, White Supremacists, white nationalists salute the nazi flag in his name. He thinks she are fine people. He went he stood behind the podium with the seal of the presidency, of the white house, and he continued to enable them. He encouraged them. He defended them. This is the type of president that we have currently in the oval office. And heres the thing, joy. Its not just the country thats watching. Its the world thats watching. Its our adversaries, our allies are watching this. The and this is incredibly disturbing, as a mother, as a woman, as a black person, as a person in h the lbgtq community, this is disturbing. We cannot defend donald trump. Republicans need to stand up, have a backbone and stop enabling this man. The leaders on the hill need to take action. Enough is enough. Why do you suppose neonazi and White Supremacists like donald trump so much. They were praising him after his response on monday to that march in charlottesville. Why do you think they like him so much . Well, they shouldnt. Remember, i why do you think they do. No, no. No. Why do you think david duke and white nationalists and commit supremacists chan chance i dont know. A fringe group. Why do you think they like donald trump so much . Look some of them could be provok a toer. You think theyre making it up too . Think theyre lying . No. The im sure some of them might say that. Im not sure. But any fringe group can say they love whatever poll itician they wamts. Its fake news. It doesnt mean that politician believes in that ideology. If that turns around and then defends them and says some of the people among them were fine people, what does that say to you . Theres no way to defend the neonazi. But donald trump did. He defended. Said there were fine people among them. Jews will not replace us. He said among that group of young men who said that, there were fine people. Do you think there were fine people in that group. I wasnt. You saw them on tv. No. I dont know anyone respectable would have been marching with them. Why any normal citizen. So im in as much dis belief as you are. At least thats good. You at least discarrying with donald trump on that one. Thank you very much. Up next, a trump loyalist makes a fan boy trip to meet an enemy of america. 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E except now t ha hacker that ws used in the russian hacking during the election, turned himself into earlier this year and has now become an fbi witness. Joining me now msnbc contributor and analyst. Thank you all for being here. Im going to start with you. This hacker is identified i believe as a ukrainian malware expert who is said to be able to potentially blow the whistle on russian hacking. Whats the import of having him turn witness . Well so the biggest problem that the Russian Investigation has faced is that short of drawing these direct linking back to the creme lkremlin. There might be russian nationals but its hard to say if they were in fact russian officials. Having someone cooperating with the investigation who may be able to solid fi those lines back to russia, for most of us were sort of at the point of saying of course russia was involved. Its important to establish they definitely were. If he can connect those dots directly regardless of the hacking involve 89, that is a huge step. If he can connect that back to the trump or trump himself that is a larger issue. Malcolm, where does wikileaks play into all this . Because they deny they got information from russia in the first place. He could prove. Wikileaks turned out to be the russian cutout. Thats a term of art for the middle man who takes on the information and passes it on and gives it it an air of legitim y legitimacy. Let me touch on this hacker for a minute. What he has is he has the electronic genetic code, so to speak of the malware suite that they stole and used to create the software that was used to hack the dnc. He can give the fbi as a working witness, the actual fingerprint of his malware and show how it was modified by russia for the use of the dnc. So, there were lots of other characteristics about these malwares, that were used, like the fact that they use the cyrillic keyboard the and linked back to a russian intelligence server. This is going to be a treasure trove of information. One of the other interesting aspects of this meeting with assange is who set it up. It was set up by a blogger named charles johnson, known to those on the internet as a troll, somebody who is a holocaust denier and an all right blogger. s standing outside that embassy in london where he set up the meeting, his team has confirmed it was set up by this blogger and there is he giving what a lot of people believe is the white power sign. What do you make of that connection . Sort of. Russian fingerprints, all over this. It seems to me the russians have this Large Network of sort of n undesirables acting as frankly as malcolm said, as cutouts. It seems to me that why a congressman who meet with assange, what he has to tell trump, the whole thing just wreaks of oddity and frankly russian fingerprints. So i dont u. Understand exactlyy got into this group but certainly seem to be using this whole movement to support trump and somehow be involved in this. Using sort of obscure bloggers, one of the political opponents in california wants the fbi to investigate him for that meeting. Hes been accused of potentially violating u. S. Sanctions when he tried to get the deputy general prosecutor in russia removed from u. S. Sanctions. Claims he lost an arm wrestling match to putin back in the 90s. What do you make of this conflens between him and an altright blogger that he uses as a go between. To be honest i believe right now, the Senate Intelligence committee, fbi and the House Intelligence Committee are making it clear theyre investigating americans who are in h cooperation communication and quite possibly coopted by russian intelligence which makes them sort of a fifth column and weve found that is ultimately made up of altrighters who view that trumps policy towards russia and russias policy towards the United States furthers their goals. The russians are actually hosting an altright white supremacist conference. I see hes a he actually believes these relationships with the United States and russia should be improved. Es he an old vietnam veteran. Youve got to give him props for his service but he himself may have invisible fingerprints and strings that are work rpg around him with guys like johnson and others in the altright that are being used for russias own political purpose the to damage or destroy american democracy. Just walk us through how russian intelligence would use what could have been an obscure blogger, how would these guys as the guy in florida who said he could get Hillary Clintons emails. How would russian intelligence interact and use them . Thats a good question. What im seeing here as someone who worked against the russians, i get the sense they were in fact very scared of being identified. Whatever they intended to do in the 2016 election, i think the second part of them gaming out this moment right here, they wanted to make sure there was plausible deniability. With that, i think the cast of characters youre see thag the russians may have had connections to is not the traditional folks we have here. The we can go back to what isis did with ebay. All sorts of creative ways they could have are gotten to these people. Funding me on gofundme. So i think what were looking at is a sort of nontraditional way of getting this sort of fringe element to support them directly on the social media platforms. That seem the to be a huge part of this. If you saw an obscure right wing potentially even on the racist right blogger, suddenly pop in supporters and followers and jump up in h youtube views and suddenly getk a lot of money and dont have a viable source of income, you might want to look huh. Seem the like a good place for the senate and congress to look into, i would say. Absolutely. Thank you very much. Malcolm will join us again. Up next, trumps affection for losers. music plays throughout super cool notebooks. Done. Thats mom taking care of business, but who takes care of mom . Office depot office max. Order online and pickup in store in just one hour. Taking care of business i kept looking for ways to manage my symptoms. I thought i was doing okay. Then it hit me. Managing was all i was doing. 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Segregated every possible public space and found no ways to criminalize. The south enforced the new order not only with brutality including lynching and violent coups. This is when the south began remanaging confederate leaders as noble defenders of a lost cause of southern general tillty. They got a boost when Woodrow Wilson took office even screening birt of a nation at the white house. This era, the 1910st and 20s were the peak of building Confederate Monuments. There was a second one that coincided with the backlash of the civil rights movement. Invoking states rights in 1956 when they caused to the resistance in brown versus the board of education. By that year seven States Incorporated confederate symbolism into the flags. Throughout the 50s and 60s more statues were built and they seem to have forgotten they were statues to losers. Why does mr. You get tired of winning love them so much . More on that, next. T between you and lifes beautiful moments. 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But many of those people were there to protest the taking do you know of the statue of robert e. Lee. So, this week its robert e. Lee. I notice that stonewall jacksons coming down. I wonder, is it George Washington next week and Thomas Jefferson the week after. You do have to ask yourself where does it stop. Reverence for the confederacy runs deep. So deep he had a monument commemorating a civil war battle built on the ground in virginia with a plaque saying so called the river blood. A stunning moment in American History except that it never happened. Experts can recall any battles taking place on the grouptss of the golf course. His response was trum pian. That was a prime site for river crossings. If youre crossing the river and and in the civil war, i would say people were shot. A lot of them. That same pen chance for alternative facts. When equating the nationalsts excuse me. Excuse me. They didnt you had some very bad people in that group but you also had people that were very fine people. On both sides. Very fine people. Joining me now Andrew Gillham mayor of tallahassee. And jennifer ruben. So the New York Times did a pretty compelling piece on the u. S. Capital and found there are three times more confederate statues in statue ear hall than hall of capitol hill. 12 confederate statues. The 4 busts or statues of black in the entire capital. What are sort of the average white southerner, what do they learn about the confederacy growing up . Well. Speak for all of your region. Well, no. No. No. We dont have enough time in this show. When i was a kid i was taught that the civil war was about economics. Of course it was. Its called free labor, also called slavery. We just left that part out in the history books. The thing of the capital, states are allowed to send two statues to the capitol Hill Nancy Pelosi sent a letter to speaker ryan saying those should come down. When she was speaker of the house those same statues were there too. I find a little hypocritical. By the way. They probably should come down. That leads us to where we are now. Which is what do we do about the statues. I am a son of the south. The i live in a house that was built by my great grandfather who was there the day lee surrendered. I own that house. I am his dna, but i didnt fight that war and i dont want to fight that war and that is not my job to relitigate that war. Just to make sure that the next generations dont do another one. And it seems to me we have a a problem of race in this country, not talking about it or dealing with it, a very upfront and logical manner. What you saw in boston yesterday i thought was fantastic. A four or five bigots and a whole lot of non. The thats good stuff. What you saw in charlottesville, not so much. When it comes to these statues, think its time for us to put them in museums just like we did the Confederate Flag in South Carolina. Lets also know what our Founding Fathers did, washington, jefferson and others which was to do nothing to stop the spread of slavery. And in fact, lived with it and owned slaves. Tj was screwing his slaves, so lets have an honest conversation about this and find a way to move forward, not talking about it doesnt make it go away. Mayor gillham, the big differe difference as noxious as their behavior was, robert e lee fought against the United States. But you yourself, sir are in favor of the florida capital removing a monument there. Do you think thats a winning position politically for yourself in a state like florida and b, why do you want that removed . Well, ill tell you. First off, i really hate the conflating of our leaders, president washington and general lee dont deserve to be in the same sentence, one a founder of this great country, obviously although a very difficult history we have, the other who sought to destroy and tear apart the United States. The president knows what hes doing. I find it unfortunate but its a continued demonstration of his absence on leadership. I do believe we should take the Confederate Monument down. I believe we shouldnt white wash history. It belongs in museums not as a grading place as you enter the old kplacapital. Third largest state in the union. If South Carolina can see fit to remove the Confederate Flag, why cant the state of florida given the rich diversity we represent. What we need in leadership in the governors mansion. We didnt get that from President Trump. My governor has been silent on the issue, and the leading contender on the republican side basically said that he wasnt aware there was a Confederate Monument and my response to that is what a luxurious place to be, that you dont have to be aware that these kinds of symbols of division and derision greet people as they enter the old capital. I dont want my kids fighting this same battle and i dont think anybodys kids should have to fight this battle into the future. We need to act swiftly with dignity recognizing the history of our part of the country. And our state. But we need to move forward and be a ford thinking state. Jennifer, like most things donald trump has been all over the place on the issue of Confederate Flags. He just mentioned South Carolina and the Confederate Flag being moved there. After a lot of corporate pressure and a white and black la legislator coming together. This is donald trump back in june of 2015, before i think this is before he was an official candidate for the presidency. This is what he said about the flag coming down. Youre the lone republican president ial candidate as to whether not i think it probably does and i think it should go in the museum. Let it go. The respect whatever it is that you have to respect because it was a point in time. But i would take it down, yes. That was in june of 2015, a week actually after he declared himself a candidate for president. About a month later after he took the nomination, he sent his son to mississippi and donald trump junior said we rev veer state rights and the Confederate Flag. What is going on here . Well, this is donald trump. He will blow with the wind. Whatever he thinks people around him want to hear, or whatever he thinks will make him more popular. But lets be clear. This campaign was not based on economic uncertainty. He played on the economic uncertainty. It was based on white resentment and white grievance which he whipped up, which he used, and he now sees that this is the logical expension tension of t. And we should see that. He brought these people. These people brought him into the mainstream, and now we can see exactly what hes talking about. Exactly what he has used to rise to power, and i think we have to look carefully at the other supporters of this theme. We have to look at fox news, which has beaten the old south lost cause drum for a long time which has exaggerated and deem onized the illegal immigration problem. This was exactly what he did and what so many of us tried to warn the country about for over the last 18 months. And listen, i think its a little pathetic that people are just now waking up, but i will take it. The i will take anyone who is opening their eyes to what is actually going on. And at least there are some people, both in private life and public life who are willing to disassociate themselves. I thought most of the encouraging signs was a whole group of Charity Organizations discontinuing in maralago. We should be shunning him because he is responsible for beating the race drum. He is a noxious human being and i think we should applaud people who are taking a stance. Really quickly to the point of who is backing him and why theres interesting polling that came out. The question is there a lot of discrimination against white people, all americans 40 say yes. Among clinton, among trump voters, 68 say yes. Is White Nationalism a threat . Same poll. All americans say 57 . Only 33 of trump voters say it. Theres a move now senator cory booker is sponsoring to remove the statues. Do you think that can pass given there is a people who think it is White America being discriminated about. No. I dont think it will pass. Its a great amendment and bill but that bill will be fill a bustered and most likely be fill bustered by a southern senator. Bottom line is republicans need to have some soul searching here. You cant say you deplo discrimination and send briefs to the Supreme Court saying we should strike down title 2 of the civil rights act. Those are antithetical to each other. If youre going to de cry discrimination, try doing your legislation as well. I should note we didnt get to talk about it about there aus also a florida bill thats being put out that would get rid of all Confederate Flags and monuments. Andrew billham and jimmy kims thank you very much. Appreciate you being here. In our next hour, bannon tv might be coming your way. Old fren a my of this 140e loses his security clearance. Theres nothing more important to me than my vacation. So when i need to book a hotel, i want someone who makes it easy. Booking. Com gets it. And with their price match, i know im getting the best price every time. Visit booking. Com. Booking. Yeah its ok that everybody ignoits fine. N i drive. Because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months im accident free. Because i dont use my cellphone when im driving. Even though my family does, and leaves me all alone. Heres something else. I dont share it with mom. I dont. Right, mom . I have a brand new putter you dont even know about its awesome. 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The reality is, he won an election, its difficult to do anything other than elect a congress that will restrain or impeach him. What donald trump says is not as important as what hes doing. Hes trying to suppress the vote. This fraudulent Election Integrity commission is something that all democrats and hopefully all republicans will start to stand up against. Its not enough to just send a tweet thinking thats enough to suppress White Supremacy and White Nationalism, you have to actually do the work. You saw Hillary Clinton won 487 counties. If you look at economic agoty, clintons counties account for two thirds of the country. Isnt what democrats need to be focused on now is Voter Registration and the 2018 midterms . I think so. We have to show up and vote. Donald trump are going to be thinking and hoping that were too depressed, too down, that we dont have the energy to come out in 2018 and we have to show them wrong. Also, one thing i want to say, joy, democrats need to let go of trump voters. We dont want them, theyre shrinking voters, we know exactly who donald trump is, we cant argue with that any more. We should focus on our base. Focus on brown voters, black voters, women, millennials 37 we have to get them out there so they can go out and vote. We have policies that are more popular than republicans. Lets tap into that, lets inspire our base, invest in our base and get them out to vote. Its pretty consistent that donald trump has 36 to 38 of the population. His Approval Rating is 34 to 36 . Democrats are winning those states and gop is getting about what donald trump gets. One more piece from the new poll. Whether or not voters feel theyre embarrassed or proud of donald trump. The question i asked our earlier guests. 25 say the presidency of donald trump has made them proud. How is it democrats cant figure out how to beat republicans that are tied to this guy . Part of the problem is, theyre trying to deemphasize the importance of government itself. Democrats need to touch on issues that matter to their base right now theyre trying to divorce politics. I dont think thats the right thing to do. Should democrats be thinking about primarying those people . They need to focus on the base that they have. And stay really clear and focused there and make sure they are talking about the issues that matter. I mean, if is there are opportunities there in the senate, im less confident that were going to get the senate. I think we should focus on the house for sure, and there are ways to do that, theres a path. I would love to put up on our Facebook Page the line of success, even if donald trump was impeached right now, its all republicans until you get to ben carson, number 13. Thank you very much, guys. At the top of the hour, taking the fight outside, what Steve Bannons ouster at the white house could mean for the staffers still inside. 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Sources close to bannon say he plans to take on the socalled globalists in the white house. The National Security adviser, h. R. Mcmaster and gary kohn, both of whom have been facing the wrath of breitbart in recent weeks. Criticism from the right unfetterred with the need to protect allies within the administration would be a new challenge for donald interrupt. Conservative media from fox news to the sinclair association has supported donald trump. Trumps reaction to the events in charlottesville scrambled the script. Some fox news stalwarts came to his defense. The president fought back. I dont think everyone that was part of that on saturday were evil people. I dont know how far they want to take it. Some were openly critical. A gathering full of White Supremacists nazis doesnt have good people in it, those are all bad period, period. There may be limits to conservative Media Support for trump. Is there an opening for bannon to create a far far right media giant . Gabe sherman, jennifer rubin. Kurt bardello and sarah rough. Gabe, i want to go to you first. On the idea of whether breitbart could build an ultraright organization that is to the right of fox news. Even a petition within amazon for it to stop providing ads for them. Thats before the altright became directly tied to the naziism and white supreme six going on in charlottesville. One more little one, a side thats to the right of breitbart, info wars has been reduced to selling diet supplements in order to survive. Alex jones who is in touch with donald trump has been pushing a collections of dietary supplements. All the display ads selling on info wars are dietary supplements. Can a white ring media outlet survive if advertisers wont touch it. I think the answer is whether you look at it as a business or a political project. Steve bannon was huddling with his millionaire benefactor Robert Mercer in new york. A tv venture, a media empire is something he is discussing, and whether or not there is a market and Business Model to support that, there is the political motivation to take this nationalist economic populist message to the broadest audience possible, i think youll see bannon making moves i already hear that breitbart is going to start its global expansion. Theyre going to try to make this the biggest platform possible. Are you saying the mercers they are billionaires, theyd be willing to go ahead and fund it at a loss, even if they couldnt get advertising . I think so, i think the messers have contributed hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars already to Steve Bannons various political ventures. Whether or not you see a return on that capital depends how you define returns. The mercers have seen that their investments have paid off in the complete shift youve seen to this populace nationalist wing of the republican party. They will see another round of their investments as a good use of money. His views are very far to the right. Kurt, on breitbart itself, people, republicans will say all the time when we interview them on tv, i never heard of them. 10. 76 unique million visitors down 53 . They rank number 60, that puts them in perspective in terms of scale. Sinclair broadcasting which broadcasts the white house propaganda from boris ep seen, reaches 83 million households. One american news, which sarah palin used to have a show on, breitbart. Com is apples to oranges when you talk ratings versus users. And alex jones. 3. 4 million unique visitors. On scale, is breitbart poised to be truly competitive with the much bigger outlets. I think you explain the rationale of why steve is so interested in going down the tv route. Theres no substitute for getting that scale of audience when you have the opportunities to be on television. If youre going to compete with fox newses and what sinclair has been doing, youre going to have to be on television, and i think that youre seeing steve continue what started a year ago. If trump loses he will team up with steve bannon and start trump tv, i think youre seeing steve continue that conversation, and he has the benefit of a billionaire on his side. Its not about i think gabe put it well, how you calculate what the profit is, its in the eyes of the beholder, if you can impact change, completely reshape a political party, thats worth a lot more potentially than any particular advertising revenue in any quarter of the year. Thats the key exfactor, if mercers going to open the pocket, theyre going to make some serious impact. Stay with me for a second, kurt. You know steve bannon, what does he want . I dont think its about money. If that were the case he would have stayed at Goldman Sachs and retired off of seinfeld royalties. For steve, i believe its about obliterating everything. Hes a lennonist after all. In his words. Lets listen to Cory Lewandowski who was talking about bannon, using his outside strategy and taking on congress. That gives him more freedom to hold those individuals accountable who are not on the trump agenda, thats important, because a number of those individuals are going to be up for reelection next year, and there should be accountability at the ballot box. Sayre remark one of the things breitbart has managed to do is reach a younger audience than fox. Are they hungry for that message . If you look at the trouble that trump had reaching generation x and millennial voters, i dont know that that holds true, what breitbart has been good at doing is reaching that angry disenfranchised segment of the population, when i hear the president tweeting attacks against republican members of congress, what cory luan dow ski just said, it reminds me, andrew breitbart, the man who the website was named after, wrote a book the year before he died, he talked about the democrat media complex, he thought it was a problem for people like George Stephanopolous and going to abc as a journalist. The intersection between Democratic Politics and the media, he thought was corrupt and problematic. The role of the new media was to shine a spot line on them. The idea of creating a Company Named after him, ill leave that to you to decide if it thats something andrew would have wanted. I mean, he tweeted again in the past few days, he wanted to destroy the democrat media complex, not duplicate it. Republicans your age, where do they get their news . Im a little older than a millennial. People under 40 are getting their news mostly online. So this is where the issue of whats spreading on facebook whether thins are accurate, whether the headlines are accurate and trustworthy is a problem. We have a lot of intersection of pop culture and entertainment in news, whether thats a good or a bad thing. Theres some definite drawbacks in getting these issues mixed up. The power of these new media outlets, they can reach people outside of fox news, do the people who oppose this spreading ideology really have in your view a coherent strategy to counter in . I dont think they do. Remember how breitbart and others operate. What starts at breitbart migrates to fox and migrates elsewhere. They generate these memes and themes that infect the rest of the media. Pretty soon, everyone is talking about their odd spin on things. What we saw in boston is a model for this, the way to beat free speech you dont like is more free speech. Ill make a pitch to billionaires who have a social conscience, invest in real media, invest in outlets that in your local paper, for example, which has really been starved for resources over the years. So oh, yes, i think the center and the left and the responsible right have to come up with a strategy for expanding the news that is accurate and is going to be responsible. Is Rupert Murdoch worried about the competition from the far far right . Without question. Hes very troubled by the sinclair tribune deal. He saw steve bannon as being supportive of the sinclair tribune merger. And fox news seized the prospect of a sinclair backed news venture. Its a real competition to fox news control on the conservative media in general. Thank you very much. Theres a lot of big named talent on the sidelines right now. Who have to go somewhere. Thank you very much. Were going to try to ge get rumpdontcrack, she is a millennial forever. Up next, reality sets in for one of trumps biggest fans. boy and these are the lungs. class ewwww boy sorry. dad dont worry about it. mom honey, honey, honey, honey vo at our house, we need things that are built to last. Thats why we got a subaru. avo love. Its what makes a subaru, a subaru. Get 0 apr financing for 63 months on all new 2017 legacys. Ends august 31st. So find a venus smooth that contours to curves, the smoother the skin, the more comfortable you are in it. Flexes for comfort, and has a disposable made for you. Skin smoothing venus razors. When you think of saving money, what comes to mind . Your next getaway . Connecting with family and friends . A big night out . Or maybe your everyday shopping. Whatever it is, aarp member advantages can help save you time and money along the way. So when you get there, you can enjoy it all the more. For less. Surround yourself with savings at aarpadvantages. 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On monday, there were complaints, the media spent more time on the rally where Heather Heyer was killed than on gun violence in chicago. Donald trump retweeted him. Now, trump may or not know who i is. Despite the fact that the white house did give him press access, we here at a. M. Joy, were familiar. In the last 100 years, when would be the year. He says make America Great again. America came together to solve big problems we talked about world war ii, the civil rights movement. Absolutely. Times where america put these divisions and this us versus them movement aside. Democrat johnson vetoed that bill three times while the republicans passed it what . No, the civil rights, no. He actually pushed the bill through. Joining me now is malcolm nance. We are excavating our shame in having played a role in jack gaining a public profile. We put together this focus group. This was back in early july of last year. I believe we recorded on july 11th. It was before the convention. Jack tried so take over the focus group. He kept talking and talking and ta talking everything he said was inaccurate. He was aggressive as a trump supporter. In your view. Would things like that put him on the radar . What do you think of it . I think i know the question youre asking. He was sent to you as a representative of the Pennsylvania Republican party, as someone who would be good on that panel. As we all know, he is a p provocatore of the altright. He was one of the gentlemen who and ladies who jumped up on the stage at the play of Julius Ceasars in new york city. And now he has a history of having been involved in the macron leaks, which u. S. Senate Intelligence Committee and the fbi believes may have been a russian intelligence operation to hack and release information the way that was done in 2016. Hes moved from provacatore to someone who may have been complicit in a foreign intelligence mission. This is not going to bode well for his future. To stay with you for a second. This is a photo of him holding up a sign saying rape melania. He went to an antitrump protest, this was in january before the inauguration. He tried to put it there to make it look like he was a member of the antitrump protesters. He was the guy at the julius seize e ceasar in central park play, who was standing up and yelling, and trying to interrupt the play. He promulgated the boycottstar wars because it was too multiracial. You find out hes a Navy Reservist who used to have a security clearance. How could somebody with a security clarence do all of these openly Political Activities, and then he got suspended. He doesnt have it right now, he was never given an explanation of why his security clearance was suspended but he suspected it was because he had become more outspoken on twitter. Are you allowed if youre a Navy Reservist to do all this political activity . Let me use this as an opportunity to talk to my brothers and sisters in the Intelligence Community and say, if you perform provocative acts, whether you call yourself a journalist or not, and you hold the trust of the Intelligence Community, you will lose that clearance. We lose they snatch clearances for things as inaccuous as being late a month in your car payment. For all thats said and done, jack has a lot more things going on in his life right now than just holding up the rape melania sign and being a provokatore. That is being investigated by the United States government, the director of nsa, an agency which he would have received information from has said that they were tracking the russian hacking related to that, and that the Senate Intelligence committee is looking for american citizens who may have fostered that russian intelligence investigation. And hes the one that created the macron leaks. Do not get involved in these overtly Political Activities unless you just dont want to work in the community any more. And that can be facilitated. There is this phenomenon of these guys that come out of nowhere, and suddenly rise to prominence, at least on the altright, within that community, how common 12 is it, and how do these guys make money . Well, i think it certainly doesnt hurt when the president of the United States is it retweeting your tweets about some of these things. Talk about having the biggest audience, the biggest platform in the world, helping expand your name, your brand, your following. These guys get attention, and i think about some of these people like james okeefe, the guy with all the videos and acorn and all that, they seek out to create moments, to go viral, and then there are platforms like breitbart and alex jones who make that go viral, to help get more eyes, the amplification of it, as they do that, a lot of folks pick up on that, and we end up talking about it, its this cycle, and theyre always i feel like, looking its like a reality tv show, theyre always looking for that character they can prop up, become the target of ire from the media and political figures. For them, they love it, theyre sitting there going, this is so great, its working, were driving them crazy, keep doing it, they fuel it, and it just becomes aself fulfilling prophecies in some ways. In some ways they seem silly, this guy is set apart from those other people because of the job he used to have and the security clearance he had. There are guidelines so youre not actually using your position of trust. You have to understand when you do provocative things, your clearance will be reveecked. It was suspended by the navy Adjudication Authority for top secret security clearances. Because there was reporting that said, because he had leaked classified information on bitter, i dont know if thats true or not. His behaviors are a breach of trust for all of the hundreds of thousands of people who hold a top secret clearance, who dont use their experience and training to go out and act as a political agent provocatore. Hes very belligerent in person i can tell you from experience. Up next, more on the trump exodus. Four seconds on the clock, down by one. Championship on the line. Erin the sharpshooter shanahan fakes left. Shes outside of the key, she shoots. She scores uh. Yes, erin, it is great time to score a deal. We need to make room for the 2018 models. Relive the thrill of beating the clock. 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That was matthew prince on his companys decision to terminate the account of neonazi website the daily stormer. They join other tech titans including google, facebook, apple and spotify who have circled the wagons to close off spaces for white supremacist sites to flourish online. In america, we even let the bad guys speak and counter their bad speech with better speech. Matthew prince and jeremy carl join me now. Thank you both for being here. Thanks for having me. Thank you. Lets start with you, matthew. Cloud fair had come under a lot of criticism previously for allowing daily stormer and other offensive websites to be on your services, including for sharing the emails of people who complain about them, with them, which in some cases led to harassment, why was it okay to have them on using cloud fair before charlottesville, but not after. Sure, so i think that its important to understand what cloud fair is, my guess is, the first time you ever heard of us was this morning. And yet there are 2. 8 billion people that pass through our Network Every single month, we have over 10 million different websites and web applications that use our service in order to make sure theyre faster and safer. I think theres a key question about whether the internet infrastructure should be making decisions about what content should and should not be on line. Abuse reports were getting passed on to this vile and repugnant sites, they would turn around and harass the people who were submitting those reports. That is behavior that is unacceptable and something that definitely put the daily stormer on our probation list. I think theres a larger question, even if we terminate this site because the people behind it are jerks, does it make sense for ceos of Tech Companies like me to be the ones making the call if content is good or bad. Jeremy, you have written a couple pieces for the National Review in which you decried these big Tech Companies which do have the power as we heard from matthew. You have the people who run the servers, the people who register the names like godaddy, you have the people who run the hosting sites. You have all of this infrastructure through which websites and social media accounts pass. You have said its dangerous for them to be denying access to people like the daily stormer, uber has said, people who are nazis cannot ride in their vehicles. Air bnb has told people who are neonazis, traveling to these rallies, you cant stay in an air bnb. You cant raise money for the guy that drove the car into Heather Heyer. Ok cupid banned a neonazi saying he cant find dates. You think thats dangerous, why . Nazis are the hardest case. I dont think matthew is the bad guy here. Im more critical of people who have been kicking out these groups that are not just nazis, but folks who have unpopular political opinions with no due process, no free speech. Matthew has said, i shouldnt have that power, im not worried about that. Im sympathetic as i think matthew said, the hard case makes bads law. Theyre a hard case. There are a lot of people who i dont think are hard cases. They should have the right to be heard. Were not giving them a voice. The idea that you think some of these private businesses. People think of conservatives of being in favor of business running unfetterred and being antiregulation, youve written about the federal government who you think overregulates businesses, coming in and regulating businesses like matthews as utilities. Yeah, well, i think it depends. And i want to be very careful about that because obviously, as a general rule, i am wary of giving government power and regulation, i think as william f. Buckley said, its a difference of pushing a little old lady out of the path of a speeding car and pushing an old lady into the path of a speeding car. Those things are not objectionable. I think in this case, the real key issue is the question of monopoly and sk ses, if you have a market in which theres 10 or 12 companies serving it, and i have a lot of choices. When you have google or facebook with 80 plus percent of market share and kicking people off their platforms. I think regulating a completely dominant Market Company are you for Net Neutrality . I have not taken a personal position on Net Neutrality. Theres so many other things in Net Neutrality. Thats giving everyone the same access. I think the baseline thing about Net Neutrality. And a lot of the hypocrisy weve seen to the left Net Neutrality should be about allowing free speech. As soon as these bad guys were speaking, a lot of people said, hey, no problem with kicking those guys off. I think theres a lot of folks like al franken who said, this is the great First Amendment right of our time. Matthew, do you think businesses like yours should be regulated like utilities by the federal government . The thing thats hard to appreciate if youre someone whos watching this show is just how international our business is. We have customers literally in every country around the world, and almost the entire internet population is using our service. I think its difficult and dangerous for any one country even the United States to say that its going to regulate the internet, what i do think is important, there needs to be something along the lines of due process for when ceos like myself or other ceos that are running major Tech Companies are thinking through the process theyre thinking through in terms of what content is allowed and not allowed on their system. There should be some transparency, accountability, consistency, while ideas of free speech and im a huge free speech proponent myself, the son of a journalist, and someone who spent liz childhood talking about the importance of the First Amendment around the dinner table, i think we have to acknowledge that isnt a universally shared belief around the world. Cloud fair operates in 60 different countries, we need to make sure we follow the laws with all of those. In germany, you cannot have swastikas or statues of nazis. Commenting up at the top of the hour the head of Donald Trumps diversity coalition, addresses trumps statements on charlottesville. A surprising show of support for Colin Kaepernick. During our made to move 2017 clearance event, you can do endless online research. Or, you can take advantage of our best offer ever on an xt5. Dont wait. Our 2017 models will be moving fast. You can drive a car. Or you can drive a cadillac. 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One that keeps you connected to what matters most. Those men that were walking down carrying the three flags and one of them was the american flag. No one said those guys disrespected the american flag. Well, i i . A lots of people thought that. I dont know who said it. I dont need thoughts, i need action. Say what you said about Colin Kaepernick disrespecting the flag. Say these men and what they were saying, carrying that flag is disrespectful. That was tight end shannon sharpe, weighing in on the unamerican criticism often hurled at pro athletes. Whose National Anthem proset is back in the spotlight. Joining me now is mike peska slight pod cast host. I want to show you video in to us from new york one. This is dozens of current and retired Police Officers, rallying in support of Colin Kaepernick, take a look. We support kap, we support kap. As members much law enforcement, we can confirm the issues hes saying exist in policing and throughout the criminal Justice System indeed exist. We have to be honest about this discussion. All of the people behind me risk their lives so to speak to protect folks, and they are standing with kaepernick, because they understand how important it is to push back on this structure. That is new york councilman who organized that event. Your thoughts, mark . These are Police Officers standing up for kaepernick. Not only that, you have white players who are joining other africanamerican players justin brit and the seahawks supporting michael bennet. Chris long supporting the eagles supporting Malcolm Jenkins so its growing. There were whites demonstrating in boston yesterday, its growing. We had no idea it would grow this much, but some of us. Myself and others, were going to have a rally at the nfl headquarters this wednesday the 23rd at 5 00 p. M. To say to the commission and to the nfl, that they also need to support colin. Hes no different. A lot of people at first didnt support Jackie Robinson and kurt flood. And thompson, when he stood up for proposition 42. And muhammad ali for gods sake. All those people that didnt support them, ended up having t later. The nfl should not wait to be sorry later, they should be on the right side of history now and support Colin Kaepernick. Mike, is it that open and sort of cut and dry within the nfl that no team wants to sign Colin Kaepernick literally just because he protested the National Anthem . It seems that you could make that conclusion. The guardian did a study of donations from nfl owners. They gave 8 million to republicans and less than 200,000 to democrats. Now, america is not a monoculture so this idea that Colin Kaepernick is divisive, period, or is a distraction, he was also the number one jersey sold, right . And they are promoting a survey that shows that hes the number one reason ratings are down, but ratings werent really down after the election. The funny thing or the interesting thing when you listed all those athletes who some people are against and some people are for and maybe americans dont really recognize a couple of those names, curt flood, the two runners from the mexican olympics, but they remember muhammed ali and remember the athletes that were great. Athletic greatness will transcend all of this and thats the great thing about Marshawn Lynch or especially michael bennett, a great player kneeling down. Chris long, joining Malcolm Jenkins. If you get these great players saying were on kaepernicks side, i think it will change the discussion a little bit. At the collegiate level when you had Football Players refusing to play unless there were significant changes in some of these administrations, thats when the teams took notice. Do the nfl players have that kind of leverage, though, in terms of their contracts . Both of you guys can handle that. Well, thats always been a challenge and they have not historically had that kind of leverage in the past. But what happened just this week, the Nfl Players Association came out and made an emphatic statement that they are going to do more to support Colin Kaepernick. And i think thats important. Take a page, borrow from the wnba. The wnba Players Association supported its players this week. They all locked arms. The los angeles team, the washington mystics, the sparks and the mystics locked arms after what happened in charlottesville. The league supported them, the Players Association supported them. So i think they ought to take a page maybe from the women and do the same thing. There were members of the st. Louis rams who did a hands up, dont shoot protest back in 2014 in st. Louis. They took a lot of heat for that as well. There were no Immediate Repercussions in terms of their careers. Has there been backlash internally on these teams . Have players been punished essentially for taking stands on black lives matter . Teams dont want a distraction and thats both legitimate and illegitimate. And you could say i mean the owners of the Cleveland Cavaliers could say that lebron james was being a distraction, but he inherently cant be, hes lebron james. I really do think that how the nfl works, its the number one cultural product in america. And if you want to do a number of shows like we saw undisputed there, if you want to do a number of shows talking about how society is breaking apart and the nfl demonstrates that, you can. If you want to do the other side of the show and say the nfl is exemplifying the exact opposite trends in society, you can. Its the number one most unifying thing. The odd thing is that the owners are, i think, outside of the mainstream of society. And some of their decisions based either on perception or their own politics, some of their decisions are hurting their teams because Colin Kaepernick is certainly one of the 50 best quarterbacks on the face of the earth. There are i can think of half a dozen teams, a couple of teams he could probably start and half a dozen teams who would greatly benefit. So if their whole thing is all we want to do is win and not have a distraction, putting this extra player on the roster might serve to win. It he accounts for one more win than he would have once your starter gets hurt, what team wouldnt rally around him saying, only, we love Colin Kaepernick. And his jersey is going into the Smithsonian Museum in d. C. , so you can still see his jersey. I want to sort of do a turn, guys, because we know that dick gregory passed away yesterday. For those who are unfamiliar with dick gregory, im going to play a little bit of a sound bite. He goes all the way back to the civil rights movement. Hes a comedian. He was an activist for nutrition, all sorts of things. But this is a little piece of him. He had marched with Martin Luther king jr. Against School Segregation in birmingham, alabama. He was sentenced to 180 days for parading without a permit, which was a common way to get people in trouble back then. So here he is at an event and hes teasing dr. King about the difference between the sentences the two got and sammy davis jr. Is also in the audience for this. So take a look. And as i have expressed to dr. King, the reason im not going to do my 180 days because i cant see them giving me 180 days and only giving him five and he started it. I love seeing video of Martin Luther king jr. As a human being and not like an icon, just being a guy. What did dick gregory mean to you . Tell those who are unaware of him about him. Well, what he meant to me was when i first started in radio in my 20s, kathy hughes put me on air and i was so serious. I was malcolm x, too serious. She hired dick gregory to be my cohost and we became close friends. And he was the first phone call i got every morning. I managed to make it to the hospital last night to be there right after he passed and be with the family. But what he really means to us, joy, you and i are sitting in two chairs in nbc at 30 rock. Were here because of dick. Jack parr invited him on the tonight show and dick said im not going on because you dont let negroes sit on the sofa, and jack parr changed the policy in the studio just down the hall and dick gregory was the first africanamerican to sit on the sofa on the tonight show and so we owe dick that. Our thoughts and prayers are with his family. His son has an enormous task. How do you have a celebration for someone who celebrated all of us and was such a source of joy. Were so thankful to him and im honored to have been by his side. Your thoughts, mike. If there is a mt. Rushmore of american comedy, the two comedians that would be put on there are Richard Pryor and George Carlin and Richard Pryor says he essentially owes his career to dick gregory. Comedy ages less form than any other art form. So when we go back to 61, we might not realize how funny he was, but he was transcendent and funny and there at so many historic opportunities from the watts riot to muhammed ali to negotiating for the hostages in iran. He was a fascinating american life. A true lion, and we wish him and his family god speed. And thank you so much, mark thompson, mike pesca, we really appreciate it. That is our show for today. Join us next weekend for more a. M. Joy. Up next, alex witt discusses charlottesville with the head of Donald Trumps diversity coalition. More news at the top of the hour. This time its his turn. You have 4. 3 minutes to yourself. This calls for a taste of cheesecake. New philadelphia cheesecake cups. Rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. 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