South korea rallied at a time when 44 of the jobs created in the last four years are low wage jobs. The fight for 15 an hour has managed to put inequality and the minimum wage front and center in the national debate. The sustained protests have been able to do for the left what the tea party has been successful in doing on the right, which is to push the boundaries on an issue and drag the politics behind it. When the fight kicked off 18 months ago, it was a very small grassroots movement. Today it has entirely changed the politics of the country. The president suggested raising minimum wage in his state of the union. New jersey has voted to raise their states minimum wage to 8. 25 and vermont is on track to have the highest in the nation at 10. 50 an hour. Thats just to name a few. Meanwhile the center of the debate has moved. There are some basic things that we should be for. One of them is reasonable increases from time to time in the minimum wage. I for instance as you know part company with many of the conservatives in my party on the issue of minimum wage. I think we ought to raise it. Lets not make the argument that were for the blue collar guy but against a minimum wage increase. We should note all those republicans are people without power in the current gop. The people who are in power have been left behind as Public Opinion moves in the direction of those strikers that you saw today. Do you believe in the minimum wage . When you look at raising it, all of the studies show that if you raise it, you get more unemployment. If you raise the minimum wage, the inevitable effect will be, number one, young people will lose their jobs or not be able to get their first jobs. Unemployment among young people will go up. I dont think a minimum wage law works. Its not just those vying for the republican president ial nomination. Its almost the entire republican class of 2014. In North Carolina where 61 of the population supports raising the minimum wage, Republican Senate candidate tom tillis came out against a federal minimum wage hike saying minimum wage decisions need to be made by the state, the preferred dodge of candidates these days. He refused to say whether or not he supported a state minimum wage hike. Its up to states rather than the federal government. Thats a nicer way of saying you dont believe in it. Theres a reason why republicans arent running on that belief, because the American People are against them and they know it. Joining me new York State Attorney general Democrat Eric snyderman. His office is looking into wage violations in the states fast food industry. Attorney general, youve been opening this investigate that centers on the lack of power that these workers have. One symptom of that is the wages that they are paid. The other symptom is that even the wages that they should be paid are often not paid. Its no coincidence that weve been able to make these cases because workers are coming forward where they were reluctant to before. At the same time theyre raising their voices and organizing. This is part of the same pattern. We cant do anything in Law Enforcement if people dont report crimes to us. In the last few months weve gotten probably 3,000 workers wages from employers who were beating them out of 7. 25 an hour and 8 an hour. Most employers would like to pay their workers a decent minimum wage. A living wage. They are undercut by bottom feeders. If you dont raise the minimum wage and you dont have good enforcement, thats something were seeing all over the state of new york. When you say 3,000 workers, what is happening such that theyre not getting the money theyre due. Were not talking about raising it but the fact that theres an epidemic in this country which i have seen as a reporter face to face of low wage workers being stiffed out of paychecks and out of their money. Weve gotten back wages from mcdonalds workers, dominos workers, car wash workers. Theyve been helped by the sciu. And they have come forward to raise complaints. When they raise complaints weve actually put some of these employers in jail. These guys will not pay the minimum wage. They sometimes make the workers stand around and only clock in when the store is busy and clock out when theyre not. These are people on the job who are being told by their bosses, take your punch card, when the store is busy clock in, well pay you for that and when the store is not, clock out, which is illegal. Again, its important to understand why raising minimum wage is important. There are always employers who will try to pay less and do less. Its the usual evasion of regulations. Its not just bad for the workers but for the good businesses that want to do the right thing. We have seen folks who wouldnt pay for laundry allowance, make people pay tipped wages when theyre not in a tiptype job. One of the dominos franchises tried to retaliate and fire people. We got them their jobs back within a couple of days. Wage theft is like car theft. Its like any other kind of theft and we have to treat it that way. But it isnt like car theft and the example you give of the dominos workers was the exception rather than the rule of what happens when people try to step forward. Often they are retaliated against and there is no Law Enforcement. In new york we have a strong antiretaliation statute. Your point is correct. Ideally this should be done at the federal level. Its not something that should be left to the states. The enforcement should be done at the federal level. The labor secretary is a great guy but they just cant get things done in washington and the minimum wage bill was killed even in the senate which the democrats control much less the house. Its clear were going to have to take action at the state level. The state with the highest state minimum wage, washington, has the fastest rate of job growth. Youre listening to these guys and their position on economics is as credible as their position on Climate Change. This is not a position any response, honest economist would take. Its not true that minimum wage increases affect job growth. I want to come back to what you said in the beginning. Do you actually think that this movement, this fight for 15 movement, the organizing weve seen around that, has emboldened people to come forward with complaints . I know that. We have had folks in our office, people giving information. Again, in a couple of cases there was a taco factory where we locked up the employer. There was a movie theatre cleaning company, we locked up the employer. We can bring criminal cases, get people their wages back. This is true in a lot of states. When people find their voice to organize, they also find their voice to report. Attorney general eric snyderman. Thank you. Joining me a staff attorney for the Law Enforcement project. Its great to have you back. Great to be here. How much progress has been made . I want to play out two parallel facts. One is that these movements have grown. Theyve moved Public Opinion. Weve seen minimum wage raised in states. Weve seen the highest minimum wage in a city being negotiated in seattle. At the same time these folks that were seeing that are working at mcdonalds or taco bell are no closer to having unions or the protections or having their raise waged by their employer than they were 18 months ago. 18 months ago there was one strike in now. Now its 150 strikes. Workers have seen small victories. There have been workers that have won some small raises and that has spurred further action and further emboldenment to take more steps. On the policy front, the fact that seattle is poised to enact a 15 minimum wage, thats a direct result of the last 18 months. That figure didnt come out of nowhere. So i think the fact that the strikes are catching fire, that people now know that contrary to industrys claims, these are not teens, these are adults that are trying to support families, 70 of the work force are adults. And also the focus on what in the meantime ceos are racking in in terms of compensation. Even as the average wage is 9 an hour, ceos are making the money. Theres such an imbalance between Corporate Power and worker power. I read a great piece today which was written by a mcdonalds worker in denmark who said i make 21 an hour and you should, too. I work for mcdonalds in denmark where an agreement between our union and the company guarantees that workers older than 18 are making 21 an hour. To anyone who says that fast food isnt a good job i would argue that my isnt bad. It shows that its not just about raising minimum wage because thats just the floor. Its clear that 7. 25 is way too low and weve seen seven states take action to raise the minimum wage, but there has to be more than raising the minimum wage. Weve seen over decades what happens when workers organize and build collective power and are able to negotiate directly with their employer. In this case employers that are racking in tremendous amount of profit and can certainly afford to pay a lot higher than the minimum wage. Are you surprised by how much this has gained traction . Organizing is hard work. My dad is an organizer, my brother is an organizer. Its hard to get people to speak out against their bosses anywhere. Are you surprised by how well its gone . Im not surprised. I mean, i am heartened. I think its a little different. Im not surprised because people are really angry. Theyre seeing an economy where everybody says that the recovery is happening but its not happening for them. Theyre working harder and harder and not getting raises. Youve seen interviews with workers that have gotten a 50 cent raise in ten years. The American Worker in toto hasnt gotten a raise for a long time, not just fast food workers. Yes. Wages for the bottom 60 of our work force are stagnated or declined. If you are a middle income worker youre still struggling to get ahead so you can absolutely identify with these issues. Do you think its a wedge issue in politics . Absolutely. The you said in your intro the broad majority of the American Public support raising the minimum wage. Specifically, highlighting the concern that they have of the consequence of their counterparts in congress who are blocking any meaningful increase in the minimum wage because they know. They see the trends that were seeing, the polling. They understand that people are frustrated and angry. Exactly. They understand that their support for precisely what were seeing today in cities across the country and cities across the world. Always a pleasure having you. 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Im the most if not the totally most in the entire United States senate and i think thats very important because there are plenty of ideologues, but very few problem solvers. In the terminal phase of scott browns short Senate Career he was building himself as a bipartisan consensus maker. He has taken up that mantle once again which is why it looks really, really bad. He got caught redhanded blowing up an uncontroversial, sensible, bipartisan piece of legislation for the petty political reason he did not want his political opponent to get any credit that she could tout during the campaign. There was a bill that was widely supported in both the house and senate. Even Senate Minority leader Mitch Mcconnell admitted it, saying it does enjoy bipartisan support. Supporters saying the legislation was expected to create jobs and save energy costs. But it ended up being filibustered with help from scott brown. Huffington post reports that brown, quote, called Republican Senate leadership to urge them to make sure that shaheenportman didnt pass so as not to give shaheen something to run on. If scott brown thought the shaheen ads were going to be bad, wait until he sees the ads about him blowing it up for the pettiest of political reasons. Joining me is a member of the department of public works and natural resources. Can you tell me about this legislation that was destroyed in it struck me as not a huge deal but sensible and good and would save energy and money. Chris, youre absolutely right. This was a very modest bill. This bill was supported by the u. S. Chamber of commerce, not noted to be radical environmentalists and other business groups. But it was an important bill because everybody understands that the best way to save energy is through Energy Efficiency and weatherization. As you indicated, what this bill would do is save people substantial sums of money on their fuel bills, because when you weatherize a home you use less energy. It would also create a significant number of jobs, almost 200,000 jobs, and further, it would cut Greenhouse Gas emissions. Sounds to me like a win win win situation. But the Republican Party has become such an obstructionist party, so determined to not let anything significant happen, so determined not to give senator shaheen a victory despite the jobs being created and the energy saved that they killed the bill. Scott brown calls around, republicans bill buster and the New Hampshire gop says senator shaheen has called the bill her defining legislation but she doesnt have a single bill to run on as she seeks reelection. This was a political hit job, nothing more and nothing less. Hey chris, welcome to my world. That is what goes on here every single day. But this is precisely the thing, senator, this is precisely the thing that voters say they hate. Why cant you guys come to some consensus. Here it is. This is why you cant, because it is to the political advantage of certain people to destroy rather than build. It goes on and on and on. A few months ago i presented a veterans bill which had the support of every major veterans organization. The Republican Party is supposed to love the veterans. I got two votes and they brought forth an amendment for sanctions on iran. They said Everybody Knows this, we are going to do everything we can to stop legislation and then were going to say what have these people accomplished . Democrats control the senate, what have they done. How do you go to the capitol every day. How do you wake up and commute from vermont and go to that capitol and talk to your colleagues and introduce bills and work on amendments and do all of the work of legislating when you know thats where its headed, thats the conditions . Let me tell you very honestly, it is emotionally very, very difficult and frustrating. We look out on the world. You were discussing the need to raise the minimum wage. Everybody knows we have to do that. We cant do that. Cant extend long term unemployment, come up with a jobs program. The shaheen bill was a good start. We have to go a lot further than that. We dont even have a Republican Party that acknowledges the science of Climate Change let alone addressing it. What do you think about scott browns message to voters and image of himself as a bipartisan compromiser in the wake of this . I think as youve indicated, it just undermines everything, how he defines himself. Hes the great moderate. Hes the great guy who brings people together. In this case he did everything that he could to prevent the congress from passing the senate from passing a modest bill. By the way, this legislation, as i understand it, was passed with very heavy votes in the house. So i think it undermines his entire credibility as being a moderate who wants to bring people together. Do you think there will be any cost for this ultimately . In this case theres a microcosm of scott brown, will he pay a cost as this gets out. Are there costs for this kind of thing . Well, it really depends on how effective if the democrats are in going to grassroots america. This is my fear in terms of the coming election. The pundits tell us that 60 of the American People are not going to vote. What that means is 70 or 80 of low income and working people who want to raise the minimum wage, theyre not going to vote. 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More brown, youve posted bigoted jokes on your website, securing women and jews and asians and polish people like me. And bikers and irishmen, too. Yeah, irishmen, too. How is that sort of disrespect for people going to allow you to govern . A substantial portion of my campaign is campaigning against political correctness. Its a bunch of oh, by the way, when you did your introduction, i wanted the fact that i was the president of the bombers motorcycle truck and i was a long haul truck driver. I wanted the low range stuff, not just the high stuff, engineer but like a full speed transmission to get it low and go all the way up to overdrive. Harley brown bills himself as a standup comic and found his way onto the debate stage but the governor and his challenger. The moderator was asking him about his list of harleyisms, which he describes as political philosophy to entertain you. Actually theyre just a bunch of racist and sexist jokes. He says its all good. Those harleyisms had a lot of warning on there, you might find this offensive. I hit everybody, jews, polish people, irish, italians, religious jokes and black jokes. By the way, my wife screened that and we took the real hard core zingers out so in case i catch any flack from people like you youre mild i can fire that back and attack my attackers. I dont like political correctness. Can i say this . It sucks. Its bondage. Im about as political correct as your pro verbal turd in a punch bowl. Im going for the vote of the real people out there, not these bondage type people who dont have a clue about picking up strangers at night and hauling them god knows where. Wait, theres more. Turns out harley brown wasnt the only nontraditional canada butch otter managed to cram onto the base. You said this gives you a platform to talk about your views on abortion. If lightning struck and you were elected governor, could you do the job . Well, back when they told me that we couldnt home school, i prayed about it, i stood on my hind legs like a man and told them what i thought of them and the television would talk to me for 30 minutes or an hour, what would you do if they came out to take your kids. Well, id shoot them. What else would you do . Walt base is running as a republican on the platform butch, id like to thank you for making it possible for me to be here tonight. He insisted that me and this other unnormal person could be here tonight. Just an incredible feat of political skill by idahos sitting governor. We ran the numbers and turns out that during last nights debate, russ fulcher, the biggest threat, had by far the least talk time when compared to the jibberish coming from harley brown. Thats why weve decided not to air even one more second of that nonsense. Im sorry, i read that incorrectly. Your Closing Remarks . This has been a great honor. Let me finish that story. 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He had been expected to run his president ial campaign but then cambridge gate to effectively disown him. If i cannot trust someones judgment i cannot ask others to do so and i would not place him at the head of my political operation because of the lack of judgment that was shown in the emails that were revealed yesterday. Stepien invoked his fifth amendment rights and seemed to be playing the role of good soldier willing to fall on his sword but now hes suggesting Chris Christie was not telling the truth on december 13th. In a letter his lawyer said he advised governor christie on december 13th, one day before the press conference, that he did have prior knowledge. Hes seeking a retraction of the claims. Its been alleged he falsely assured christie he had no prior knowledge of the lane closures. To quote the letter, to state as the report does that mr. Stepyan lied to mr. Christie, a man who whom he was unshakeably loyal is reprehensible. We reached out and he said theres no basis for any correction and added that our report stands as. Joining me brian murphy, assistant professor of political history. This strikes me as a big deal for two reasons. One, stepien has been a good soldier and is no longer inside the tent. And two, hes saying christie lied to everyone. Thats right. Christie had a conversation with them where they discussed this on the 12th and christie went out on the 13th and said nobody was involved on my staff in this. He says its clear to everyone on my staff that if anyone had any knowledge they need to come forward and tell me. Does that include stepien. Stepyan is saying thats a straight up lie. That time line got more complicated because christies press secretary testified that they had a conversation on the 5th of december where the spokesman told the governor, bill stepien and Bridget Kelly might have a role in this and christie said apparently if we believe him, christie told druniak, ive been wondering if bill is involved in this. Theres a famous moment in his press conference when he said i was reading my ipad and that was the first time i heard of this. He gave a threehour thing. He was out there for a long time. This is what Rudy Giuliani said about it. Take a listen. If for some reason its not true, the man has put his political career completely at risk. If it turns out that theres some evidence that he knew about it, hes taken the complete risk that his political career is over. We dont have a smoking gun that he knew about it and lied in that press conference but we have increasing circumstantial evidence of person after person saying he has not been straight with the public and the press about when he learned. That date keeps moving further and further back on the calendar. And now hes saying things in december like, everybody is going to owe wildsteen and barone. Youre going to owe people apologies for writing the stories that you are writing while he knows the true reason that these folks were asked to resign by him. He didnt resign because of some long plan. They were forced out. Hes mocking people, hes saying i was moving the cones, while hes saying youre going to owe people apologies, he has been getting word internally that something is messed up here. I always thought it was weird that he talked about the cones and said he had no knowledge because it sort of suggestions an operational knowledge of how this works. Fraud yan give away. Thats the problem with the long press conference. At some point you have to be careful about keeping that story straight. Over three hours it just starts to fall apart. Chris christie recently this week said my political future has nothing to do with bridgegate. As far as the impact on my political future, i think it will have none, because i didnt do anything. Youve had all kinds of people looking at this for nearly four and a half months now and there hasnt been one suggestion that i knew anything about it. I am not the first chief executive. I see governor engler down here and president clinton back stage. Im not the first chief executive that had someone on their staff do something that they disapproved had and had to fire them. I dont think it hurt anybodys career and its not going to hurt mine. I love that hes throwing engler and clinton. That the person that you want to associate. Thats a great example. Do you think its true . No. Politicians have to be brokers in hope so thats fine. But it seems im a historian, four and a half months doesnt seem that long to look into something, especially when you dont necessarily have the most cooperative witnesses. The people who have the real good stuff havent talked because they have real good stuff. Thats why this development is notable because if he starts talking and Bridget Kelly starts talking you have a bunch of people that are hostile. Thank you. The nra wants you to meet this guy. We talk about guns the way we want, the stuff we dream about and kick around when were at the range or just hanging out. The man is an urban gun enthusiast, the latest attempt by the nra to make themselves more appealing to more people. Well talk about that next. Choose from handmade sandwiches and flatbreads. Paired with unlimited soup or salad. 70 lunch combinations starting at 6. 99. At olive garden. 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Since youve gotten into this arena in public, what has your experience been . We did a report about a real Second Amendment guy, a Gun Store Owner who got Death Threats and got people calling his phone and saying really ugly things to him when he said he was going to sell this one smart gun. I can only imagine what someone like you gets. Its daily, whether its threats of violence, sexual violence, threats of death, not only to me but my family. This is the story of many of our moms around the country. In my opinion, threatening the opposition is cowardly and unamerican. Its a way to circumvent democracy. Thats why its so important for responsible gun owners and other mothers to stand up and say we will not allow this fringe to become mainstream and make here policies. Mark, we would playing some video and if we could run that again and if you could explain what we were seeing there because that was one of the most shocking parts of the story. Who is shooting and what are they shooting at in this video . That was a firearms instructor in florida, a former Police Officer as well who made this video targeting moms. I think youre also showing the video of the mad minute which was a group in texas that was shooting a female mannequin. This is one of the groups this is pushing for open carrying in the state of texas. Theyve been conducting these provocative demonstrations where they parade around in public with assault rifles. A number of those people were at a dallas restaurant last fall, a story that made National News where some members of shannons organization were meeting and this is what they do on their spare time apparently is shoot up naked female mannequins. Any group large enough, theres millions of gun owners in america, millions of members of the nra, people are going to do ugly stuff. I remember during occupy fox news would find allegations of Sexual Assault and say these people are all rapists. Are you doing the same thing with gun rights activists . Convince me this isnt just some small handful of people acting terribly. Its not the same at all, chris. This is happening all over the country in various places. The story i put automatic today on mother jones covers a number of scenarios, but its really just the tip of the iceberg. Ive heard many other stories about this happening in colorado, North Carolina, and i think it reflects something about the tactics of the gun lobby. It shows that theres a disturbing cost to the rhetoric and the language and the messaging of the nras leadership and gun owners of america and other groups, constantly appealing to fear and paranoia and stirring up anger. Theres a susceptible minority of gun owners who are listening and i think this is partly the result of that. Shannon, when you talk about being targeted, your actual personal phone has been called, right, with threats . Absolutely. You name it, twitter, facebook, email, phone, letters to my home, people driving by, but the point i want to make stop there for a second. People driving by . Absolutely. Doing what . Just looking at my house and what my address is and in general being intimidating. But mark was talking about the susceptible minority. I want people to understand that theyre being invited by, for example, Senate Senator craig estes in texas to testify in favor of open carry. A state representative here in indiana who is outraged that i testified against guns in schools has taken to facebook to bully me on our Facebook Page an his own personal representative page. Thats why we need people to stand up and say this is not acceptable. This is not an okay way to act. We have a democracy in place, we have to follow it. You cant use the Second Amendment to threaten americans. America, you have a story in there that was really upsetting about a woman confined who a wheelchair who herself is a gun owner who was essentially spit on if im recalling this story correctly by someone who was mad at her for her advocacy on gun regulation . Thats right. She was in indianapolis participating in a press conference with every town talking about why we need to reform gun laws in the view of that group. On her way home in the airport there was footage of that press conference playing on the tv in the concourse and a man who saw it recognized her came up and sat in her face. It boggles the mind who would do things like that. But again, i think as weve been saying, this is a Minority Group of gun owners. It raises another interesting question, too, chris, which is where are the majority of gun owners in this country in this debate . Why arent they speaking out . Most people who are gun owners are responsible, civil people. You dont see a whole lot of them talking about this stuff. I think theyre starting to pay attention. Theres been a little backlash starting to bubble up on conservative blogs and saying this is wrong and people cant be doing this. The kinds of people i think who are devoting their lives and energy to things like open carry is going to be a pretty selfselecting group of people, so what youre getting is a gun movement thats dominated by a very small, very hard core group of people with very fringe views who can be very aggressive. Weve seen this play out time and time again in gun clash after another in which youre not just getting arguments about policy. Youre getting rank, pure intimidation. Thank you both. Thats all for this evening. The Rachel Maddow show starts now. Good evening. Happy thursday night. Not too long ago the United States government was overthrown by truckers. Do you remember that . It was the truckers ride for constitution. They were going to ring the entire d. C. Belt way with a corridor of rolling steel as they lined up thousands of trucks bumper to bumper and slowly circling the nations capitol and bringing the u. S. Government to its knees. Having the government on its knees would be a convenient position from which the truckers would just plain start arresting the whole government, starting with all of congress. They name checked nancy pelosi and senator Dianne Feinstein as people they were specifically planning to arrest. But they said while were er
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