0 government will look at all available options to return mr. snowden back to the u.s. to face justice for the crimes with which he's charged. >> we are working with them, or discussing with them, or rather expecting them to look at the options available to them, to expel mr. snowden back to the united states to face justice for the crimes with which he is charged. >> we have returned seven criminals that they requested for extradition from the united states over the last two years. so we really hope that the right choice will be made here. >> we're following all the appropriate local channels, and working with various other countries to make sure that rule of law is observed. >> one of the most wanted men in the world, edward snowden, and we do not know where he is. but what he does next, and the reason this is all so dramatic and riveting aside from the basic facts of the story, is what he does next is going to have a pretty big impact, possibly a massive overwhelming impact, on how his revelations play out politically here at home. joining me now live from rio de janeiro, brazil is columnist for "the guardian" newspaper. glenn broke the edward snowden story in the guardian. my first question to you, as mr. snowden travels around the globe and his whereabouts are unknown, are you in contact with him still? >> i haven't been in contact with him since shortly before he left hong kong, so, no, i have not spoken with him. as he boarded the flight in hong kong. >> there was an article in the "south china morning post" today in which they replayed or reprinted part of an interview with edward snowden in which he basically tells them, he had taken his final job with booz allen hamilton as a contractor at that facility in hawaii with the explicit intention of essentially getting documents to then make public. i wonder what your reaction is to that and how much you think his motivations in doing this should be amongst the points of discussion we're having as we watch this story unfold. >> i would think that far and away, the most significant point of the entire episode, where most of our focus ought to be, if not virtually all of it, is on what we have learned the united states government is doing in complete secrecy in constructing this massive spying apparatus that a secret federal court in 2011 said was both illegal and unconstitutional. and that top-level obama officials including james clapper went to congress and lied about when explicitly asked whether it was being directed at millions of americans. that's where the overwhelming bulk of our focus would be. as far as the specific revelation today in that newspaper that you referenced, it isn't surprising to any at all, when i interviewed mr. snowden he had said, remember, he has worked at the nsa since 2009. prior to that he worked at the people think quite reasonably that he should have chosen a different path. wherever you come out on that, and whether he ends up in the hands of castro or whomever, it doesn't really make a difference in terms of what you think about what we're learning about the u.s. government. i think it's critically important those two things remain distinct. the other issue that i think is vital is that we should ask why does mr. snowden feel a need to go and flee and run around the globe going to countries that he probably doesn't want to live in? the answer is because we've allowed our government to persecute whistleblowers. read the column by david carr in "the new york times" today. he says the war on the press that the u.s. government is waging is not a matter of hyperbole but math. whistleblowers have no chance in this country because of this persecution. that's the reason he's fleeing and seems to me more important as well. >> glenn greenwald from the guardian newspaper. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. joining me, goldie taylor, contributor to msnbc and thegrio.com. goldie, i want to talk to you. i've been watching all this unfold. i think the point i made to glenn which is basically whether i stand on this. >> sure. >> i think this country absolutely created this massive metastasizing government in the wake of 9/11. classification has gotten out of control. there are all kinds of things the government is doing they're not telling us about that we should know. at the same time, as i watched the personal drama of edward snowden unfold with a mix of fascination and trepidation, i do feel conflicted about, you know, an american citizen who is possibly giving things to foreign agents, although there is no proof or reporting to indicate that that is definitively happened. i just wonder as you watch this unfold, do you feel that way? how are you processing this? >> i think that there are a lot of us from the left and from the right and from all points in between who are, frankly, concerned about the patriot act, who are frankly concerned about nsa and what broad-sweeping powers it may or may not have. i think that there are genuine, genuine concerns about that and that this has opened a global conversation about secrecy and surveillance around the world. at the same time, this story has been hugely problematic from the beginning. the initial reporting around this has been sloppy at best. i think what we deserve are the facts laid on the table so that everyone can decide for themselves what they expect or should expect from their government. >> i agree about the facts being laid on the table. part of the problem here, when we talk about the initial reporting that came out of the prism program, for example, and what exactly it is and how exactly it works. i mean, the issue that we're facing in all this, and i come on television every night to talk about this, we're talking about the trayvon martin trial, george zimmerman trial which we'll be talking about later. that was all open in court. we saw every word that was said. we're talking about the decision the supreme court issued today, we got to read the decisions. we talk about the affordable care act. we can read the congressional budget office. in this, it's like we're wait waiting around in this dark room, drawing conclusions with little shafts of light that illuminate this or that thing, and it seems toxic to me, that this is the basic conditions under which we are operating. >> unfortunately, part of having a self-governing republic in this day and age means there are going to be some points of secrecy that, you know, help us to manage our resources and assets around the globe, that help us manage an entire intelligence community, which help us to manage an entire foreign affairs policy. you know, those kinds of things, you know, should be kept secret and, you know, but i agree with you, there are limits on those things. but when we're reporting about it, when we are advocacy journalists, and i do believe there is such a thing, then we have the duty to get the story right. to make sure that we check our facts against people who understand the technology that's being discussed. that people who understand, you know, these powerpoints that coming out that talk about what the p.r.i.s.m. program is and what it isn't, that talk about what direct access is and what direct access is or isn't. when we put stories out like that, large stories, national stories, global stories, we ought to expect questions to ourselves. and we ought to be able to stand ready to answer those questions. unfortunately, this first story looked like it came out by lilo & stitch. >> here's the thing. on the first issue, right, what we are seeing now is the first, if you begin to unpack this, or twin to reveal, okay, there's some of this program is being called into the light. the mass collection of phone calls, i think we're pretty square on what that is and how it works. >> we are. >> when you go to court orders of the mass collection -- confirmation, that's classified. it's against the same laws edward snowden is accused of breaking, for anyone inside nsa to say, this is how prism works. yet that's precisely what we want. we want, i think as adult citizens, to know what our government is doing within the bounds that does not completely expose sources and methods. >> i think therein lies our issue. what is the boundary of what is reasonable, and who gets to set that? is it glenn greenwald or is it edward snowden? >> the united states government? >> is it the people we elect to make those decisions for us? we ought to be making some of the decisions in the ballot box. anybody who voted for the patriot act, we ought to be looking at them re-evaluating and reaffirming this thing over and over again. so i think we do have some power and it's incumbent upon us to take that power. but do i trust glenn greenwald with that story? do i trust an edward snowden to make that assessment? i'm not sure i do knowing what i know and having seen what i seen and how this story played out. >> i will say this. i trust them to the extent that i trust knowing things rather than not knowing them. and so i agree. there's no definitive word said about what exactly these programs are and how they operate. i'm happy to know more now than i did a few weeks ago. msnbc contributor goldie taylor, thank you so much. >> thank you. all right. guess who justice clarence thomas compared to slave holders and segregationists today? 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