expected to appear at both proceedings in person in what is assured to be a media spectacle, not to mention the latest attempt by trump to intimidate that legal system. joining me now, melissa murray, professor at nyu school of law, msnbc legal analyst, co-host of the podcast strict scrutiny and author of the trump indictments, the stork charging documents with commentary. melissa, thank you very much for coming back to the sunday show. what do you make of trump's expected presence in the courtrooms, the courtroom in d.c. on tuesday, and then the closing arguments in the courtroom in new york on thursday? >> well, here's irregular thing, he's used to be in court. you are right, jonathan, appearing at an appellate court 's unusual. typically, the defense doesn't show up for this appellate court argument. he's making the most opportunity. this is a proceeding that's going to be heavily covered and