treating these women up until this point. that's created a lot of conversation and frankly what i don't like about how many of the men with these platforms are shaping the conversation is they're reducing it to pettiness, to jealousy, they're playing on terreo types and tropes that are said about women in general, but especially black women. and this is a black women led league, and to me, that has really devalued the conversation we need to be having. >> somebody very smart said to me recently the challenge with women's basketball is most of the stars are black, but -- most of the great players are black, but most of the stars are white. whether it's who's getting rewarded by espn, who is getting noticed by magazines. if there were charter flights, brittney griner would not have ended up in a gulag. these ladies are flying commercial and they're not treated like the men are. how much of this do you think is the marketing potential of a caitlin clark?
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