personal belief about the nature of life. but i also don't think that my personal moral religious convictions should be applied to everybody legally. that doesn't make any sense. i wouldn't want anybody else's religious beliefs to dictate the laws that dictate my choices about how i live my life. we shouldn't want anyone to want that. it's right in the first amendment. it's how strongly i feel about the fact that i would not choose to have an abortion and there are religious and moral rob porters for that. we can have the moral debate all day long, that's a different debate than whether it should be legal for people making the choice. >> rachel you dealt with this in kansas, kansas is a conservative state. the people there are very conservative. >> yes. >> and yet you led the right to fight to enshrine abortion in kansas and you're doing now the same in kentucky and other