because it's hard to imagine ukraine being interested in any talks with the kremlin while the bombs are still falling. >> oh, yes, i would say that the peace talks will definitely happen. ukraine has to agree to peace talks. ukraine has to show that -- the leadership of ukraine has to show that it cherishes lives. it tries to prevent russia from shelling residential areas but unfortunately, we understand these peace talks will lead to nowhere because russians and ukrainians are so far apart. russians want to destroy ukraine and ukraine wants basically their independent state to survive. >> yeah. let me bring you in, congresswoman. we have a refugee crisis. europe is absorbing nearly a million people and we don't know
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