didn't try hard enough not to get caught. that they were so confident, that this stuff is never policed anymore. that you in fact can give 25 million dollar illegal dollars to the donald trump campaign and it won't matter because nobody polices it. this is essentially unregulated spending mail. is that your suspicion, or do you feel like they did actually take enough steps to cover their tracks? that getting caught felt like a prospect that may deliver consequences to them? >> i think it could be the absolute bare minimum to devise the scheme. and i think it's because the sense of the communities seems to rule with that are a. they have this attitude that no one can come after them, no one could stop them, so they can break any role they want to. we've seen that own over the years that -- attorney general james has documented and uncovered, that case after case -- they keep getting away with. it this year there, right but i think things are starting to
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