them that they are a party that rather rule than govern, or for violence rather than voting when it comes to any issue that matters like the border, or crime, or health care costs, they don't want the fix, they want the fiction. if we're a party that want to get things done, i feel good about where this is going. >> it's wanted to use the word, congressman, fiction, because we're talking about the alternative facts. donald trump alternative facts, the alternative facts of house republicans, things actually not doing anything good for americans at large. we are on the cusp of november 2024. it sounds like it's far away, but it's really not, as you and i both know. how does it work then, do you think, that the judicial system could actually be a stopgap to the demise of democracy before we actually look at things at the ballot box? >> first, we can't control the pace of the judicial system.

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