it is true of people are told, when they are invited into this profession. you talk to some truckers, they have had fantastic careers. good wages, benefits. that is especially true with the truckers that benefit from being a part of the union. we also got a lot of feel that this isn't the profession they signed up for. we have to fix that. or else are best recruitment efforts are just going to be filling a leaky bucket. >> the reporting in time magazine describes a dramatic difference in your life as a truck or if you are a unionized trucker, or if you are an independent trucker on your own. those unionized truckers have sensible work hours, and the independent truckers are just at the mercy of so many different crosscurrents. >> they are typically paid by an independent. by the load or by the mile. not by the hour. that means if they are out of port and it is operating in an inefficient way, or a warehouse, and they're being wit made to wait hours and hours to pick up or drop off a load. they are not being compensated for that time. so at a time where there is